From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #807 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 20 2008 Volume 16 : Number 807 Today's Subjects: ----------------- For Ferris ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #803 [djini@voicenet.com] RE: A RH dream [Dr John Halewood ] Re: For Ferris ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: A RH dream [2fs ] Re: For Ferris [2fs ] Re: For Ferris ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] "mini-review" [lep ] Re: "mini-review" [Rex ] Re: "mini-review" ["kevin studyvin" ] Psychotic REAPaction [Tom Clark ] scott walker documentary [lep ] Re: Psychotic REAPaction ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: "mini-review" ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: "mini-review" ["Jeremy Osner" ] NEW on DiME: 2008-12-19 Robyn Hitchcock SONG [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Psychotic REAPaction ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... ["Nect] alphabettering my cd's ["John B. Jones" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:03:23 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: For Ferris . n.b., the piece includes a man saying: "I am literally dying on the vine." (un-[sic]-ed by the *Times*' copy-editors, natch.) so it's got that going for it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #803 I bet it's two different songs - "Lucky Man" probably the Verve, and "I think I'm paranoid" by Garbage. Maybe whoever it was was looking for a comp album that had them both? Jeanne > > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:11:45 +1300 > From: James Dignan > Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #802 > >>Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:10:17 -0500 >>From: "Jeremy Osner" >>Subject: Recognize this lyric? >> >>Somebody came to my website (from Firenze, no less) via a Google >>search for the (unquoted) phrase, "I'm a lucky man and I think >>paranoid". You can see why such a search would get a lot of false >>positives -- the only real keywords in it are Lucky and Paranoid -- >>but it sounds to me like a real nice lyric. Does anybody know of a >>song with this line? >> >>J > > This is the only thing which came close when I started adding > quotation marks in relevant places: > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:59:46 -0000 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: A RH dream (mucho bobbited) > Here's what I came up with. I'm fairly certain on the words, okay on > the verse chords...very iffy on the bridge.... > (bridge) > Well(D) over here, Mr. (A) Perkins has a brand new (G) smile > But (C) over there, old (Em) Jim has set a trap > He'll have an (Bb) alligator purse in a (G) while To me, you hang on the Em chord too long in the bridge, or I'm not following the scansion correctly. If you drop to the Em after "trap" in seems to work a bit better, and you could get another chord in between the C-Em move, probably a D or Bm, on "Jim" (I'm thinking of the melody line going up at that point, then dropping down for the "He'll have". The last bit definitely works. Well, it's more fun than shopping for Christmas presents... cheers john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:38:11 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: For Ferris On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > . > > n.b., the piece includes a man saying: "I am literally dying on the vine." > (un-[sic]-ed by the *Times*' copy-editors, natch.) > > so it's got that going for it. Coming from a family of somewhat lower working-class, non-home-owning origins I used to drive my wife, whose people tended to be craftsmen/contractors who not only owned but built their own homes, nuts by simply asking. "Why?" when she insisted that housing prices could by nature only go up and never, ever down. A commodity's a commodity, I said, and all commodities are subject to fluctuating markets, so what makes the price of real estate an exception to that? It's just the way things are, she said. Not so much lately though. Also, has anybody else been having trouble recently with the NY Times site causing Explorer to crash all the time? (No snarky comments from Mac owners, please.) It seems to have something to do with Flash but I don't know what to do about it & it's really annoying. Maybe I should check out this Firefox deal eveybody seems to like so much. np: some live Steely Dan featuring a really tasty "Babylon Sisters." Which suddenly strikes me as one of the saddest songs ever, almost on a par with "Four Strong Winds." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:10:45 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A RH dream On 12/19/08, Dr John Halewood wrote: > (mucho bobbited) > > > Here's what I came up with. I'm fairly certain on the words, okay on > > the verse chords...very iffy on the bridge.... > > > (bridge) > > Well (D) over here, Mr. (A) Perkins has a brand new (G) smile > > > But (C) over there, old (Em) Jim has set a trap > > He'll have an (Bb) alligator purse in a (G) while > > To me, you hang on the Em chord too long in the bridge, or I'm not > following the scansion correctly. If you drop to the Em after "trap" in > seems to work a bit better, and you could get another chord in between the > C-Em move, probably a D or Bm, on "Jim" (I'm thinking of the melody line > going up at that point, then dropping down for the "He'll have". The last > bit definitely works. Yeah...as I said, that bridge doesn't feel right to me as written. It seems a little too fussy for the rest of the song. I think I was trying to write on the guitar...as opposed to letting things sound themselves out in my head and then figure out what I was hearing, which often works better, I think. And in fact, that's the way the verse came about - the rhythm of the line worked its way into my head, and implied a melody and chord structure. (I think the general feel is similar to "We're Gonna Live in the Trees" but a bit slower...) It's weird, though: the verse part of that has been parked in my head for the last few days...as if it's a real song, not something I coughed up in ten minutes. Odd... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:13:08 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: For Ferris On 12/19/08, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > . > > n.b., the piece includes a man saying: "I am literally dying on the vine." > (un-[sic]-ed by the *Times*' copy-editors, natch.) Probably un-[sic]'d only because it's a direct quote. Or perhaps, in his financial distress, he now believes himself to be an undernourished grape. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:03:51 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: For Ferris that kind of misses the point, though (perhaps it's just a simplified version of your argument). the real issue here is that if we expect a debt-bubble to keep inflating indefinitely, that's tantamount to arguing that we've discovered a perpetual-motion device. um, but...that's precisely the situation in which it *should* be used. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap Dock Ellis, the man who threw a no-hitter on LSD http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3782859 "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:53:53 -0500 From: lep Subject: "mini-review" i saw rhett miller at the world cafe live on friday evening. and since i know you're all wondering, i'll put your minds to rest: yes, he is still ridiculously cute. xo p.s. also finally saw "rachel getting married" - i didn't know, or forgot, that RH had some screen time, so that was fun. i liked the movie, but found the camera work claustrophobic to the point of being uncomfortable (which might have been part of the point.) however, hail jonathan demme in casting a jumbo poodle in the role of "olive." hopefully this will be a step in a positive direction away from hollywood's chronic marginalization of the poodle. p.p.s. i dreamt i reaped woody allen (i.e. not by mistake - because he died (i.e. in the dream)) - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:17:16 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: "mini-review" On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:53 AM, lep wrote: > > p.p.s. i dreamt i reaped woody allen (i.e. not by mistake - because he > died (i.e. in the dream)) I dreamed I reaped Joe Hill last night. Horrid misunderstanding, it turns out. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:30:26 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: "mini-review" "I never died," said he. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Rex wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:53 AM, lep wrote: > > > > > p.p.s. i dreamt i reaped woody allen (i.e. not by mistake - because he > > died (i.e. in the dream)) > > > I dreamed I reaped Joe Hill last night. Horrid misunderstanding, it turns > out. > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:27:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Psychotic REAPaction John Byrne, lead singer of The Count Five. http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_11256644 - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:34:21 -0500 From: lep Subject: scott walker documentary i don't this being mentioned onlist (it's news to me, and you know where i get *all* my news): http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/movies/17scot.html?ref=movies&pagewanted=print << December 17, 2008 A Pop Star in Pursuit of the Primal By STEPHEN HOLDEN Published: December 17, 2008 The story of Scott Walker, the oracular singer, experimental composer, British-based American expatriate and reclusive cult figure whose career is profiled in Stephen Kijak's worshipful documentary, "Scott Walker: 30 Century Man," adheres to a familiar rock 'n' roll template. As a pop group matures, its members' needs for self-expression drive them to strike out on their own as soloists. John Lennon, the prototypical rebel, recorded his "primal scream" albums immediately after the breakup of the Beatles. Mr. Walker is also a pop-group alumnus in pursuit of the primal. Born Noel Scott Engel in Hamilton, Ohio, in 1943, he was the lead singer of the Walker Brothers, a pop trio whose members were neither brothers nor named Walker. Their mid-'60s signature hits, "Make It Easy on Yourself" and "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore," which echoed the booming, blue-eyed soul of the Righteous Brothers, were far more popular in Britain than in the United States. Because Scott Walker was extremely handsome, the trio's public appearances aroused frenzied female adulation. In the extended interview that forms the spine of "30 Century Man," he recalls the scary time he was trapped inside a car overturned by screaming fans. Even then, Mr. Walker says, his interests extended well beyond pop to Beat literature and European films, especially those of Ingmar Bergman; musically he was drawn to darker, moodier sounds than mainstream pop permitted. The solo albums he recorded after he left the group featured songs by Jacques Brel, the impassioned Flemish singer-songwriter who was as catalytic an influence on Mr. Walker as Bob Dylan was on many of his peers. Although "30 Century Man" covers Mr. Walker's teen-idol years, it is far more interested in his later evolution into a guru of experimental pop, admired by the likes of David Bowie (the movie's executive producer), Brian Eno, Radiohead, Sting and Jarvis Cocker of the British band Pulp. Mr. Kijak harbors special affection for Mr. Walker's 1969 solo album, "Scott 4." His first collection of all-original songs, this alleged masterpiece was also his first commercial failure. At that time Mr. Walker's voice, a beautifully polished pop baritone, suggested a hybrid of Tom Jones and Jim Morrison but with a spooky, quivering vibrato. Once Mr. Walker shucked off conventional pop forms to write increasingly compressed poetic lyrics and to invent sounds that, in the words of one talking head, deliberately blurred "the boundary between chords and discords," the mood of cosmic desolation that had always lurked in his singing came to the fore. Today he sounds a little like Bryan Ferry or Mr. Bowie (in his ghoulish mode) as the singing narrator of a psychological horror film. "I have a nightmarish imagination," admits Mr. Walker, who comes across as extremely shy, soft-spoken and articulate. He speaks of "words coming out of silence," as in Samuel Beckett. One commentator calls him "a poet and composer of the unconscious" whose songs follow "the logic of a dream world." In a movie that avoids examining Mr. Walker's personal history, there are hints of a man struggling with chronic depression and problems with alcohol, but they are only hints. No major personal relationships are mentioned or even alluded to. The music speaks for itself. And the fragments offered from Mr. Walker's albums "Tilt," from 1995, and "The Drift," from 2007, accompanied by abstract visual designs, are, in a word, haunting. SCOTT WALKER 30 Century Man Opens on Wednesday in Manhattan. Directed by Stephen Kijak; director of photography, Grant Gee; edited by Mr. Gee and Mat Whitecross; produced by Mr. Kijak, Mia Bays and Elizabeth Rose; released by Plexifilm. At the IFC Center, 323 Avenue of the Americas, at Third Street, Greenwich Village. Running time: 1 hour 35 minutes. This film is not rated. >> - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:56:41 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Psychotic REAPaction And I'm sure Laster Bangs will be buying him a beer in rock'n'roll heaven... On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > John Byrne, lead singer of The Count Five. > > http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_11256644 > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:13:10 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: "mini-review" On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Rex wrote: > I dreamed I reaped Joe Hill last night. Two songs that I can never get straight in my song-hearing memory: "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill Last Night", "I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine". Are they sung to the same or very similar melodies? Apropos Lauren's dream, I watched "Bananas" last night and it was not only as good as I remember it being, but in fact far better. And I am getting better, since the last time I saw it, at watching movies. Tonight (if it works out like I think it will) Ellen and I will watch "Take the Mon(k)ey and Run". J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:15:10 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: "mini-review" On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > "Take the Mon(k)ey and Run". (Mash-up of Steve Miller and John Lennon?) If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:18:01 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NEW on DiME: 2008-12-19 Robyn Hitchcock SONG http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=228067 2008-12-19 Robyn Hitchcock (accompanied by the Martin White mini fax machine orchestra) Bloomsbury Theatre, London (Lessons & Carols for Godless People) Part of Robert Ince's celebration of Christmas for Godless people. Featured a whole host of scientists, comedians and musicians. This is just Robyn Hitchcock's performance: Globe of Frogs. 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Subject: Okay, I'm not going to say I've been losing any sleep over this... ...but it *has* been bugging shit outta me this year (though why not in previous years, i couldn't really say...). either i'm a dumbass, or the lines in "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town"... He knows when you've been bad or good So be good for goodness' sake ...are contradictory. if you're being good for goodness' sake, it doesn't matter whether or not he knows. but if you're being good 'cause he knows whether or not you're being good (in other words, because you want a train set, and not a lump o' coal), then you're not being good for goodness' sake; but rather for your own selfish interest. (not to say that one's own selfish interest is or is not a valid reason to be good -- but it's decidedly *not* being good for goodness' sake.) am i missing something? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:25:25 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: alphabettering my cd's Hey - I'm filing cd's away. Does Manu Chao go under M's or C's?? (In other words, is the guy's name Manu Chao, or is this just some phrase he goes by a la Badly Drawn Boy?) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #807 ********************************