From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #795 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, December 4 2008 Volume 16 : Number 795 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith [Rex ] Re: Love and Fear [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith [Rex ] David Boo-ee ["C. Huff" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith [2fs ] Latter Day Bowie [The Great Quail ] Best footage ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re:Love and fear [James Dignan ] Re: Darth Mercury Heep [James Dignan ] rock opera : video violins (no robyn) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Latter Day Bowie [2fs ] Re: Latter Day Bowie [Rex ] REM - MURMUR (0% RH) ["m swedene" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:36:48 -0600 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Rex wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: >> >> From: lep >> >> >> >> One of my earliest 45s was "You're My Best Friend" >> >> Huh, cool -- another song that I knew only as a radio staple of my >> youth, without really knowing what band it was by. > > > I don't think I do know this one. All I'm coming up with is Jefferson > Airplaine... I'm absolutely dumbfounded at this - both that Jeremy didn't know who did it, and that Rex can't ID it from the title. And the original was used for the Cingular-to-AT&T commercials just last year, so if you were even near a TV set in 2007, you heard it a bunch of times. If someone sang "oooooh, you make me live" in just the right way, I think you'd know it, Rex. Anyway, in the YouTube age, at least as no representative of Queen or their record companies object, you can see/hear it right nowish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdt5QwssWY4 And to get back to the thread's ostensible subject... you know, as much as I'd like to say that I love Patti Smith, and as much as I get her grounbreakingness and charisma and integrity and crazy mojo intensity (and I'm not saying any of that ironically, I really *do* get it), I really would get far more enjoyment out of listening to practically any Queen album than any Patti Smith album. I've tried Patti's music many times, and it's just not a pleasurable listening experience for me. What's more, I like a bunch of stuff that's more thorny than Patti (say, Flipper or FLOWERS OF ROMANCE or early Cab Voltaire), so "why don't I like Patti Smith" is a question I've never satisfactorily answered, but, as the girl on the interstitial Kids in the Hall bits would say, "It's a fact!" I like the idea of Patti Smith a lot, but the actual music, considerably less so. So, um, yes, I actually would rather listen to "Bicycle Race / Fat Bottomed Girls" than HORSES. And I'll second Lauren's endorsement of "39," which absolutely beguiled me for a while when I discovered it on LIVE KILLERS. Jaws was never my scene and I don't like Star Wars, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:56:40 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith > someone sang "oooooh, you make me live" in just the right way, I think > you'd know it, Rex. That song is just about the most pernicious earworm I've encountered, I'm finding today. It's funny, there are a lot of songs from the late 70's to mid-80's that I would recognize instantly and know some or most of the lyrics to, but not know who the artist is -- at a first approximation these include songs by Chicago, Boston, Queen, Journey, probably Air Supply,... I didn't really pay attention to bands that I was not engaged in being a fan of; but I was exposed to a huge amount of top-40 radio, and the songs insinuated themselves into my consciousness. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:00:11 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Rex wrote: >>>> One of my earliest 45s was "You're My Best Friend" >> >> Huh, cool -- another song that I knew only as a radio staple of my >> youth, without really knowing what band it was by. On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Rex wrote: > I don't think I do know this one. All I'm coming up with is Jefferson > Airplaine... Sounds kinda like Supertramp, but with more butch vocals. - - Steve _______________ Interconnectedness among living beings can be accounted for by nonlocal quantum entanglement. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:04:19 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > someone sang "oooooh, you make me live" in just the right way, I think > > you'd know it, Rex. > Oh, yeah, that song. Without really thinking about it (as with Jeremy), I guess I've (A) never known who the artist was, (B) assumed it was called "You Make Me Live", and (C) experienced all of this completely passively. > > It's funny, there are a lot of songs from the late 70's to mid-80's > that I would recognize instantly and know some or most of the lyrics > to, but not know who the artist is -- at a first approximation these > include songs by Chicago, Boston, Queen, Journey, probably Air > Supply,... I didn't really pay attention to bands that I was not > engaged in being a fan of; but I was exposed to a huge amount of > top-40 radio, and the songs insinuated themselves into my > consciousness. Ah, me not so much, as there wasn't any Top 40 being played around the house. Would've been country at that time. Some of those "might as well be REO Speedwagon" bands (for some reason I've been calling it "butt rock" for a while) do trigger intense sense memories of the ketchup on the fries from the concession stand at the town swimming pool, though, but that's about it. (Not because I was "cool" or anything-- just not in the right place at the right time to hear most of the accepted soundtrack to my own youth.) > > And the original was used for the Cingular-to-AT&T commercials just last year, so if you were even near a TV set in 2007, you heard it a bunch of times. The only TVs near me that year were hard-wired to the Disney Channel, so I missed out on Queen again. But the Jonas Brothers, I heard a bit of that. Don't trust those guys. Crypto-Christians if ever I saw them. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:12:03 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Love and Fear Jeremy Osner wrote (re: Unca Lou characters): >On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:55 AM, kevin studyvin wrote:>>>> I'm going as Newspaper Joe. >>Dibs on Doctor Filth. ...Put me down for The Water Boy (or maybe whoever Bruce is supposed to be when he comes in with the counterpoint in "Street Hassle"...) Michael "Then again, there's 'Drella,' as wella..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:21:14 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > And to get back to the thread's ostensible subject... you know, as > much as I'd like to say that I love Patti Smith, and as much as I get > her grounbreakingness and charisma and integrity and crazy mojo > intensity (and I'm not saying any of that ironically, I really *do* > get it), I really would get far more enjoyment out of listening to > practically any Queen album than any Patti Smith album. I've tried > Patti's music many times, and it's just not a pleasurable listening > experience for me. What's more, I like a bunch of stuff that's more > thorny than Patti (say, Flipper or FLOWERS OF ROMANCE or early Cab > Voltaire), so "why don't I like Patti Smith" is a question I've never > satisfactorily answered, but, as the girl on the interstitial Kids in > the Hall bits would say, "It's a fact!" I like the idea of Patti > Smith a lot, but the actual music, considerably less so. I can get that-- it's my same thing with King Crimson, I'd imagine. In some ways, although I defiinitely like Patti Smith more than you do, I do sometimes feel like I'm expected to be more worshipful of her than I am... she's one of those artists that people seem to either hate or go rabid for, and I'm just not *that* into her. (A sometimes-corollary of Verlaine fandom involves resentment that TV is known by many simply as a PS sideman, but I don't go there.) Again, I assume that one day I'll suddenly be more into her than I am now, and then be well served by years of casual attention and listening. (This actually does happen to me, where a steady but casual interest in an artist blossoms into mania with no real reason, so I kind of know what to look for.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: David Boo-ee I was a member of Bowienet for years until the man himself disappeared...frightened off by the legions of Republican Bowie fans who came out of the woodwork after the 2000 election (who knew?). It was a really fun chat room and message board in the first 2 years...he used to come in and we would mock him ("You're not DB you wanker" etc)...finally did convince us that it was him b/c he was such a poor typist lol. Love Bowie up until Never Let Me Down. Even that has a couple good songs I think. A truly unsung and out-of-print Bowie CD is the Buddha of Suburbia soundtrack...some of his best music in the 90s. I don't do Tin Machine, never could stomach it (people tell me I should go back and listen to TM2, will do someday)...Black Tie I think is just fine, not super... I was quite fond of Outside and Earthling b/c the songs were so great live. "Hearts Filthy Lesson" especially. "Hello Spaceboy" too. Like much of the 90s work, the records are mixed - certainly the Earthling faux drum-n-bass thing sounds really goofy in retrospect. Hours to me is the best of that group, but even it lacks some va va voom in places..."Seven" and "Survive" are very nice...once again the Hours songs were much much better live... Where I leave the train and depart the station entirely is Heathen. I tried to like that album. Really tried. He wrote this long piece on the website about how it was inspired by the tragedy of Sept 11th and it just seemed so self-important and pompous, this rich elitist making a foofoo CD on a mountain while peoples lives were ruined...besides that, I just think it is unbelievably boring. "Cactus" (Pixies cover) is ok...but the rest is Bowiemuzak as far as I'm concerned. Could never get into Reality either, those songs didn't jive live, and the last tour was OK but not really the Bowie of old. Though Diamond Dogs was brilliant!!! hahaha been waiting for that one for years...he looked tired though.... He had a heart attack onstage in Prague 3 weeks later, and hasn't performed live since. Crazy and sucks for us, as he is one of the great live acts...all giant Spinal Tap Glass Spiders aside lol. I think he is probably fine, just had a scare and decided to spend time with his wife and daughter instead of working. Near-death experiences can do that to you... So maybe they'll make a greatest hits record of all the post-Tin Machine stuff - - that'd be worth getting depending on the tracks. Definitely one to seek out is the Buddha of Suburbia though...the great lost Bowie record... RH makes fun of Bowie - I used to think he sounded like him on Fegmania in places...Heathen aside, my experiences w/ Bowie the man generally showed that he had a great, self-deprecating sense of humor... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:58:47 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith > I don't think I do know this one. All I'm coming up with is Jefferson > Airplaine... > Isn't that the one and only JA song written by Skip Spence? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:00:36 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith > as the girl on the interstitial Kids in the Hall bits would say, "It's a > fact!" ...a Canadian fact! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:14:39 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith > you know, as much as I'd like to say that I love Patti Smith, and as much > as I get her grounbreakingness and charisma and integrity and crazy mojo > intensity (and I'm not saying any of that ironically, I really *do* get it), > I really would get far more enjoyment out of listening topractically any > Queen album than any Patti Smith album. I've tried Patti's music many > times, and it's just not a pleasurable listening experience for me. What's > more, I like a bunch of stuff that's more thorny than Patti (say, Flipper or > FLOWERS OF ROMANCE or early Cab Voltaire), so "why don't I like Patti Smith" > is a question I've never satisfactorily answered My then-girlfriend's heterosexual life partner* came up from LA with a copy of Horses at Xmas '74 and stories of seeing PSG in Hollywood with audiences that were packed with worshipful lesbian fans. I was impressed by the production as much as anything, before I was really aware of Cale even. I still love the thing. Was a huge admirer of the original PSG but I found Dream Of Life disappointing enough that I haven't been real motivated to check out the recent work. I did think Peace & Noise was pretty respectable though. * Thank you, Kevin Smith np: The United States Of America ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 10:48:47 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On 12/4/08, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > I don't think I do know this one. All I'm coming up with is Jefferson > > Airplaine... > > > > > Isn't that the one and only JA song written by Skip Spence? "My Best Friend" was indeed written by Spence - but so was "J.P.P. McStep B. Blues"... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:56:55 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Latter Day Bowie David Bowie is my favorite musician, hands-down. But there was a pretty bleak period that started with "Tonight." Well, actually, it started with "Let's Dance," which has some truly amazing songs on it, but a few tracks that are pure drivel. Whereas "Tonight" has two great songs -- "Blue Jean" and "Loving the Alien" -- and is mostly blah, bland, blech. Then "Never Let Me Down," oh boy. Horrifying. Can't say a single good word about it. (Oh, wait -- I think the song "Absolute Beginners" is packaged with the remastered CD. Is that a good word?) I am actually a quasi-fan of Tin Machine, if only for introducing Bowie to guitarist Reeves Gabrels. Bowie himself credits Gabrels with rejuvenating his career and delivering him from his adult-contemporary slump. While Gabrels is no Adrian Belew or Robert Fripp, he certainly gave Bowie a dissonant shot in the arm. I think the Tin Machine albums are overproduced, and sound cold, metallic, and soulless -- which may be the point. However, they acted as a booster rocket to get Bowie back to a new creative stage. Though I don't like the production, I think some of the songs are still pretty good, and sound a lot better when rescued from the Tin Machine sound and recast as Bowie songs. In fact, Bowie did an acoustic version of "Why Can't Johnny Read" that simply destroys. "Buddha of Suburbia" does have some good stuff on it, and to my ears it sounds of a piece with "Black Tie White Noise." Both delve a bit into nascent British electronica, and both produce a few outstanding tracks from some "let's try this out" filler. I particularly like "Pallas Athena" and "You've Been Around." Both albums have a funky, swinging groove that gets better with repeated listening. This leads us to the Bowie/Eno collaboration "Outside," which I think ranks up there with Bowie's best work. I know it's not for everybody, I know it has a NIN feel to it, and I know the narrative/concept is a bit tortured. But I think it's stellar, his best album of the 90s. Man... "Leon Goes Outside," holy fuck with that track, and that Mike Garson piano...! I am less impressed by "Earthling," which feels very "B-Grade" Bowie to me, like "Aladdin Sane" and "Young Americans." Some great tracks in those albums; but overall, they lack cohesiveness. I will say this, though -- Bowie looked great on that tour, and the British flag jacket was a memorable addition to the Bowie wardrobe. Also, his video work at this time with Tony Ounsler and Floria Sigismondi was pretty sharp. And "I'm Afraid of Americans" is classic Bowie, sort of a "Fame" for the 00s, and is a *great* concert staple. I am a big fan of "Hours..." Comparing it to "Honky Dory" is nonsense, but "Hours..." is a grower. The more I hear it, the more I am impressed with the subtlety of its melodies, especially in the first half. (The second half declines in quality a bit, touching on a few songs that sound like "Earthling" warmovers.) I remember discovering that I liked "Hours..." almost by surprise, when I kept replaying "Something's In the Air" again and again. And I also realized that many times I just wanted to hear Bowie, I threw on "Hours..." rather than something I "liked" better. I also like "Heathen" a lot. Though I feel it has a few clunkers -- particularly "Everyone Says Hi" and "Gemini" -- the album broods over with a beautiful melancholy. It's certainly one of my personal "911 albums," along with U2's "All That You Can't Leave Behind" and Dylan's "Love and Theft." Heathen has a *feel* to it that really gets under my skin, as best represented by "Slip Away," my favorite Bowie Track since "China Girl." Now, "Reality" feels a bit sketchy to me -- more B-Grade Bowie with some great tunes amidst unrelated filler. The album does contain the title track, however, which rocks (that Devo/Pixies-like laugh, "Ha Ha Ha Ha!"), and seems to be the most personal "growing old" song Bowie's written that I've heard. I was hoping that particular song would point the way to a newer, somewhat more honest album, but then he had to have that stupid heart attack. Here's hoping for a new Bowie album soon, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:46:30 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Best footage Runnin' Scared comes through with the tape of Garry Moore interviewing Pete Best, 1964. http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2008/12/pete_best_on_iv.php J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:30:32 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re:Love and fear >One of my favorite RH lines of all time, spoken after a monologue ("Go, said >the enchantress and seek ye the one known as Clint") from the One Long Pair >of Eyes 12" maxi single... > >"...which just goes to show you that love is the distance between reality and >pain." ...which always reminds me of the definition of God in John Lennon's song of that title. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:33:44 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Darth Mercury Heep > but I am glad to give you "The Truth About Brian May"...he's got Ph.D. in > astrophysics which obviously makes him the greatest guitarist ever lol ;-) FWIW, he's co- written at least one book on astrology (with the great Patrick Moore, no less), and his main area of study (IIRC, the dust clouds at the edges of planetary systems) is a hot topic in astronomy, since it's important in the search for planets around other stars. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:40:21 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: rock opera : video violins (no robyn) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tZcIfwcDG4 Luciano Pavarotti & Lou Reed - Perfect Day my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:16:43 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Latter Day Bowie On 12/4/08, The Great Quail wrote: > > David Bowie is my favorite musician, hands-down. But there was a pretty > bleak period that started with "Tonight." Well, actually, it started with > "Let's Dance," which has some truly amazing songs on it, but a few tracks > that are pure drivel. Whereas "Tonight" has two great songs -- "Blue Jean" > and "Loving the Alien" -- and is mostly blah, bland, blech. Long-time readers may recall that on occasion, Quail and I have disagreed on things. However, on many other occasions, our tastes have been pretty compatible...and this, including much of what he say in the deleted bits, accords pretty well with my impressions of Bowie in this period (which two songs are salvageable from _Tonight_, _Outside_ as a peak, Tin Machine as better than its reputation...) > > I think the Tin Machine albums are overproduced, and sound cold, metallic, > and soulless -- which may be the point. I think so - Gabrels' tone tends toward the harsh and metallic (literally, not generically), and I think Bowie needed something like that. However, they acted as a booster > rocket to get Bowie back to a new creative stage. Though I don't like the > production, I think some of the songs are still pretty good, and sound a > lot > better when rescued from the Tin Machine sound and recast as Bowie songs. > In > fact, Bowie did an acoustic version of "Why Can't Johnny Read" that simply > destroys. I assume you mean "I Can't Read" - always a favorite of mine. The studio version's guitars are chorused so much they sound woozily out of tune, which somehow fits perfectly. > This leads us to the Bowie/Eno collaboration "Outside," which I think ranks > up there with Bowie's best work. I know it's not for everybody, I know it > has a NIN feel to it, and I know the narrative/concept is a bit tortured. > But I think it's stellar, his best album of the 90s. Man... "Leon Goes > Outside," holy fuck with that track, and that Mike Garson piano...! Definitely. At this stage it seemed Bowie could not win critically: go "commercial" with _Let's Dance_ (which is a better album than a lot of people remember - some of the horn charts are quite bizarrely intriguing, prefiguring his nearly jazz-like arranging (and guest from unrelated Bowie Lester) on BTWN) and he's a sellout; go abrasive and weird with _Outside_ and he's incomprehensible... I am less impressed by "Earthling," which feels very "B-Grade" Bowie to me, > like "Aladdin Sane" and "Young Americans." Some great tracks in those > albums; but overall, they lack cohesiveness. Hmmm. I'd rank it a little bit higher myself - I don't know that I would have a year ago, but recently I pulled this one out and was surprised how many of the songs had stuck in my head, and how much I enjoyed them. Again, the critics had knives out - "oooh, he's trying to be all trend-following with 'drum'n'bass'..." sorta missing the point that yeah, there's that sound, but it's married to *songs* which was not typically the case with DnB as such. Plus Bowie followed trends (and did something interesting with them) at least as often as he initiated them (or, doing something new, failed to initiate any), so the accusation that his trend-following meant he was out of ideas didn't hold up. > > I am a big fan of "Hours..." Comparing it to "Honky Dory" is nonsense, but > "Hours..." is a grower. I came to this one later than the rest of the recordings in this part of Bowie's career - and so far I haven't completely warmed to it. I will say that I love "Something's in the Air" a lot (which film used it for the closing credits? I think I heard it there first...) also. Re _Heathen_ and _Reality_: as I said, I like 'em both a lot, as Bowie's finally acknowledging and doing again some of the things he'd been hugely influential for, rather than retreating from them for fear of repeating himself. True, a couple of songs fall a bit flat - but you know, that's true of nearly every Bowie album, and of a lot of other pretty great albums as well. And where they fail, they fail slightly - not pathetically and boringly (like NLMD...). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:51:33 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Latter Day Bowie On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:56 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > > I also like "Heathen" a lot. Though I feel it has a few clunkers -- > particularly "Everyone Says Hi" and "Gemini" -- the album broods over with > a > beautiful melancholy. It's certainly one of my personal "911 albums," along > with U2's "All That You Can't Leave Behind" and Dylan's "Love and Theft." No "Murray Street"? Or was that just in the interests of brevity since that wasn't your main topic? I've never thought of "Love & Theft" as especially 9/11y, although I know many people do. I'm one of those Dylan fans who think the man's been totally connected to his own reality since probably 1973 or so, and that he hasn't done much that's intentional social commentary in decades... basically, that he's long past being zeitgeisty, and a stronger artist for it. Which is not, of course, to say that the zeitgeist can't re-absorb his new work and make it part of itself and the tenor of its times or whatever... that obviously can and, especially given that Dylan is regarded as prophet of sorts despite himself, almost inevitably will happen... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:18:13 -0500 From: "m swedene" Subject: REM - MURMUR (0% RH) *R.E.M.: Murmur (Martin Rushent Sessions)* ** *That's the same Rushent who had just come off his career peakHuman League's 1981 synth-pop standard-bearer Dare. By the time the sessions for R.E.M.'s debut wrapped, good sense had prevailed, and the album was re-recorded minus the lip gloss and with garage-rocker Mitch Easter manning the boards. The rough mixes remain a covetedif not cherishedbootleg among fans of the Athens, Georgia, legends.* http://www.seattleweekly.com/2008-12-03/music/seven-lost-albums-that-should-n ever-be-found/ anybody have this????? Mike ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #795 ********************************