From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #794 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 3 2008 Volume 16 : Number 794 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Love and Fear [Rex ] Re: Darth Mercury Heep [2fs ] yet another symphony space recording [ontario moe ] Re: Queen and Patti Smith ["C. Huff" ] Re: Darth Mercury Heep [Rex ] Re: Queen and Patti Smith [Rex ] RE: Love and Fear ["C. Huff" ] Re: Darth Mercury Heep [lep ] Re: Will the real Linda Ryan please stand up? ["Terrence Marks" ] =?UTF-8?Q?Ron=20Wood=20Says=20Faces=20Reunion=20Tour=20Is=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CReady=20to=20Go=E2=80=9D=20=2012/1/08,?= [] Re: Love and Fear ["kevin studyvin" ] Fwd: Unreap [craigie* ] Re: who could it be now ? [craigie* ] Re: Love and Fear [craigie* ] Re: Love and Fear ["Jeremy Osner" ] Notes about songs ["Jeremy Osner" ] Reap ["Stewart Russell" ] Outdoor Miner (Long Version) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith ["Jeremy Osner" ] New on Dime, it's ... Ray Davies [FSThomas ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #793 [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #793 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith [Rex ] Re: Darth Mercury Heep [2fs ] Re: Outdoor Miner (Long Version) [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:34:22 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Love and Fear On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:12 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > Me, I'm curious how many people are named in his songs...particularly > "Reg"es (names that seem to exist primarily as rhymes)... Years ago, can't > remember where, I read about some hipster in the late '60s who threw a > Dylan > party - everyone who came had to dress up as a character from a Dylan song. > Not many folks' songs have enough characters to make that work - but > Robyn's > definitely another. > > Anyone else? Steely Dan, maybe...? Lou. And what a party *that* would be. I remember reading or hearing about that same party... don't remember the context, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:54:04 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Darth Mercury Heep On 12/2/08, Rex wrote: > > > > Personally, I'm more > > concerned that "Tonight"-era Bowie got all over my Bowie collection. > > > > It is distressing. I solve the problem by cutting off my Bowie collection > just before that period. Understandable...although I will insist that there's lots of good stuff from _Black Tie, White Noise_ onwards. Really, _Never Let Me Down_ or whatever was his nadir, I think. Apparently the heart attack he suffered a few years back was more serious than he let on - I certainly hope he records again, because both _Heathen_ and _Reality_ were quite good. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:03:15 -0500 From: ontario moe Subject: yet another symphony space recording uploaded my recording of the nyc i often dream of trains show to the live music archive last night and am torrenting it on dime as we speak. if'n you want it, come and get it: http://www.archive.org/details/RobynHitchcock2008-11-22.flac16 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=225507 woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:29:20 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: Re: Queen and Patti Smith A handful of boats lol That's priceless! A parliament of dinghys. A boatload of sculls. Re: compulsive liars: Why Juilliard indeed...I knew this guy who used to claim that he had been on the West End and Broadway in Phantom of the Opera w/ Sarah Brightman playing the Phantom. He would talk about Andrew Lloyd Webber calling him on the phone. Mind you, he was a stage manager at a small beachside summer stock theatre, not even a performer (I worked there too, this was back in 94). His stories were so crazily untrue and he would tell them to groups of people and we would sort of chuckle and be like "um...hehehe...OK Gary"... but I am glad to give you "The Truth About Brian May"...he's got Ph.D. in astrophysics which obviously makes him the greatest guitarist ever lol ;-) - --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Rex wrote: From: Rex Subject: Re: Queen and Patti Smith To: "2fs" Cc: huff71@yahoo.com, fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:31 PM On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:09 PM, 2fs wrote: On 12/2/08, Rex wrote: (I'd love a link to that - did they *really* write "literally a handful of boats"? No, it was broadcast. It was NPR field correspondent doing a phone interview with the studio crew, I think. But it was real... I heard it twice. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:29:49 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Darth Mercury Heep On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > Understandable...although I will insist that there's lots of good stuff > from _Black Tie, White Noise_ onwards. Really, _Never Let Me Down_ or > whatever was his nadir, I think. Apparently the heart attack he suffered a > few years back was more serious than he let on - I certainly hope he records > again, because both _Heathen_ and _Reality_ were quite good. I know a lot of those records have their adherents, but it seems like since forever that each one has been hailed as a sort of return to form, and then, when the next one came out, it was now the return to form and the last one hadn't been so hot after all (cf. Rolling Stone's reviews of each new Rolling Stones album for the most extreme version of this). I kind of assume that I'll end up with some of the later Bowie records once the conventional wisdom on them sorts itself out a little more. I have heard at least two of them all the way through, but I can't remember which ones (I think one of the was "Earthling") and all I really remember thinking is that they were pretty long. I do like that song from the "Lost Highway" soundtrack, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:31:57 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Queen and Patti Smith On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:29 PM, C. Huff wrote: > > but I am glad to give you "The Truth About Brian May"...he's got Ph.D. in > astrophysics which obviously makes him the greatest guitarist ever lol ;-) > Excellent. Now, in some small way, a great and terrifying epoch in my life has come to a peaceful, lulzy conclusion. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:34:35 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: RE: Love and Fear One of my favorite RH lines of all time, spoken after a monologue ("Go, said the enchantress and seek ye the one known as Clint") from the One Long Pair of Eyes 12" maxi single... "...which just goes to show you that love is the distance between reality and pain." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:16:26 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: Darth Mercury Heep 2fs says: >> It is distressing. I solve the problem by cutting off my Bowie collection >> just before that period. > > > Understandable...although I will insist that there's lots of good stuff from > _Black Tie, White Noise_ onwards. Really, _Never Let Me Down_ which tin machine was that on? > or whatever > was his nadir, I think. Apparently the heart attack he suffered a few years > back was more serious than he let on - I certainly hope he records again, > because both _Heathen_ and _Reality_ were quite good. In theory, Bowie could never disappoint me (by the time he put out "Diamond Dogs" he had more than redeemed anything he would ever do). But had it been necessary, "Outside" would have done it. I think that came out in 1996. I bought a few other albums on the coattails of "Outside", but they didn't take. In particular, I don't care for "Earthling" or "Hours". ISTR that "Hours" was a "return to form" (specifically, I believe "Hunky Dory" was mentioned a lot (after a few listens to "Hours", I skipped the middleman and stuck with "Hunky Dory".) The only exception to this has been "Heathen" (which I may like even better than "Outside".) (Note to Jeff 2fs: I don't know if I've heard "Reality" (or seen it, for that matter.) as ever, Lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:41:57 -0800 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: Re: Will the real Linda Ryan please stand up? >Anyone want to talk about "Flesh Cartoons"? Here are some (perhaps >mis-) conceptions of mine in regards to the song: Linda Ryan -- is >this a name of a real person? I've always thought of it as Robyn's >generic name for the sexy stewardess in an airlines commercial. In the >beginning of the song it seems to me like he's scripting a low-budget >porn movie starring her. I believe she was a DJ at a San Francisco radio station; I recall her interviewing Robyn at one point (I think before Eye came out). Or at least she was before she became a blogger at Rhapsody.com, as was pointed out. Terrence ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:49:19 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: Love and Fear Jeremy says: > How frequently does our man Robyn mention love and fear in close > conjunction? The two examples that spring immediately to mind are > "Aquarium" (All you need is love/ But all you get is afraid) and "So > You Think" (What is love made of/ Nobody knows/ What are you afraid > of/ Everyone knows/ It's love...) "I Something You" probably qualifies > (Let me realize your fears) even though the word love is obviously > never mentioned. Anything else? I think it might be a key for deeper > insight into his music. Re: Love and Fear (and not RH): others talk; Howard Devoto is the only one I hear. Someone** (craigie* knows who (I think one of those well-known Joy Division-era reviewers)) once said "The Correct Use of Soap" was about "love, fear, fear of love, and love of fear." And it's about the most accurate description of an album I've ever heard. ** I imagine he might be the reviewer who declared Devoto to be "the most important man alive" (or something like that.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:10:09 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Ron=20Wood=20Says=20Faces=20Reunion=20Tour=20Is=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CReady=20to=20Go=E2=80=9D=20=2012/1/08,?= Ron Wood Says Faces Reunion Tour Is bReady to Gob 12/1/08, 2:38 pm EST http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/12/01/ron-wood-says-faces - -reunion-tour-is-ready-to-go/ Photo: Getty Ron Wood has confirmed long-standing reports that the Faces are gearing up for a reunion tour next year. bWe had a few fantastic rehearsals last week and webre ready to go,b Wood tells Rolling Stone. bItbs like no time has passed by.b Rod Stewartbs touring bassist Conrad Korsch sat in on bass, replacing original Faces bassist Ronnie Lane who died in 1997. bTherebs a lot of guest bass players that want to do it b including Flea,b says Wood. They plan on hitting the road sometime in 2009, though no dates have been set. bWe just have to sort out when and where and drop all of the management egos and just do what we can. We know we can do it. Itbs just a matter of getting everyonebs availability sometime next year.b New studio work might also be in their future. bRod wants me to write a load of new stuff for him, so I can do that,b says Wood. As far as Woodbs other band goes, he says hebs balways itching to do more work with [The Rolling Stones]. We just havenbt decided when and where, yet, but I know we will.b my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:55:07 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Love and Fear > Lou. And what a party *that* would be. > > I remember reading or hearing about that same party... don't remember the > context, though. > I'm going as Newspaper Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:30:03 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Fwd: Unreap oh haha! and here was me thinking it might be Free... c* On 02/12/2008, James Dignan wrote: > > 'BIGGEST REFORMATION' OF 2009 SET TO BE ANNOUNCED Uncut Outside of Led >> Zeppelin, they're the biggest band of the 70s to reform - but who are >> they? >> >> http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/uncut/news/12533 >> > > Considering the bands that Uncut likes, it could well be this band here: < > http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_7760000/7760636.stm> > > James > -- > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- > =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. > -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:15:24 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: who could it be now ? But that's OLD news... I mean - I have tickets for both Manchester shows in February... and I guess that Magazine would appeal to many Led Zep fans, and they definitely weren't thought of on that level at the time... still stumped... c* On 03/12/2008, lep wrote: > > craigie* says: > > nope I'm done. No Idea. > > Magazine, silly. > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:32:55 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Love and Fear Sounds like the sort of thing Paul Morley would have said. Or wishes he would have said. Or something quite like it. where's a Devoto biography when you need it? c* On 03/12/2008, lep wrote: > > Jeremy says: > > How frequently does our man Robyn mention love and fear in close > > conjunction? The two examples that spring immediately to mind are > > "Aquarium" (All you need is love/ But all you get is afraid) and "So > > You Think" (What is love made of/ Nobody knows/ What are you afraid > > of/ Everyone knows/ It's love...) "I Something You" probably qualifies > > (Let me realize your fears) even though the word love is obviously > > never mentioned. Anything else? I think it might be a key for deeper > > insight into his music. > > Re: Love and Fear (and not RH): others talk; Howard > Devoto is the only one I hear. > > Someone** (craigie* knows who (I think one of those well-known Joy > Division-era reviewers)) once said "The Correct Use of Soap" was > about "love, fear, fear of love, and love of fear." And it's about > the most accurate description of an album I've ever heard. > > ** I imagine he might be the reviewer who declared Devoto to be "the > most important man alive" (or something like that.) > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:50:52 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Love and Fear On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:55 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > I'm going as Newspaper Joe. Dibs on Doctor Filth. J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:27:26 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Notes about songs Tom of FreakyTrigger has started working his way through the Pitchfork 500, commenting briefly as he listens to each song: http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/500-1-16/ J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:44:46 -0500 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Reap Odetta, 77. - -- Sent from my mobile device http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Outdoor Miner (Long Version) So my copy of Chairs Missing (the Harvest bonus tracks version) was shattered before I got a chance to rip it. I was able to find a copy of the Restless version which had two of the three same bonus tracks but replaced the single version of "Outdoor Miner" with a song called "Go Ahead," and the current in print version has the bonus tracks removed, so being the using kinda asshole I am I thought I'd ask if you any of you schmucks, erm, kind souls might be able to just send me an MP3 of it. Cuz I suck. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:08:36 -0800 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith > From: lep > > One of my earliest 45s was "You're My Best Friend" backed with (I > think it was called) "39". A hell of single, really - I still adore > both of those songs. And, go ahead, shoot me, but the sentiment in > "You're My Best Friend" is, to me, rather reminiscent of some of the > songs on "Pet Sounds". It's just so damn sweet. Indeed. John Deacon was the unsung hero of that band. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:22:12 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: >> From: lep >> >> One of my earliest 45s was "You're My Best Friend" Huh, cool -- another song that I knew only as a radio staple of my youth, without really knowing what band it was by. If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:55:15 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: New on Dime, it's ... Ray Davies 'Allo, all. We caught Ray "The Kinks" Davies at the Variety here in Atlanta last night. It was an excellent show and I tried out my new recorder. The result came out pretty good. We missed the first three songs: 'I Need You,' 'Til the End of the Day,' and 'Where Have All the Good Times Gone?', I believe. We managed to grab a couple of 2nd row seats in the balcony though for our trouble. He had an accompanist with him on acoustic for the set except for the last three songs when the opening band (Locksley) joined the two of them. I'd never have put him in his early sixties in light of the performance. Even without the first three songs the recording is something in the neighborhood of an hour and twenty-five minutes. Here's what I got and where to get it if you're interested: Ray Davies 2 December, 2008 The Variety Playhouse Atlanta, Georgia - ---------------------- Source: - ------- Sound Professionals Binaural Mics w/Phantom Power Unit -> Zoom H2 -> Audacity -> Normalization & Track Cutting -> Flac Frontend (8) Notes: - ------ Partial show recording missing at least two tracks at the beginning. Set List: - --------- 01 - After the Fall 02 - I'm Not Like Everybody Else 03 - The Tourist 04 - Dedicated Follower of Fashion 05 - The Getaway (Lonesome Train) 06 - Sunny Afternoon 07 - Working Man's Cafe 08 - Hymn for a New Age 09 - Morphine Song 10 - Well Respected Man 11 - Low Budget 12 - See My Friends 13 - 20th Century Man 14 - Tired of Waiting for You 15 - All Day and All of the Night 16 - Set Me Free 17 - You Really Got Me (w/Locksley) 18 - Lola (w/Locksley) 19 - Victoria (w/Locksley) http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=225573 - -ferris. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:23:40 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #793 >You jest now - but wait till *you're* taken over by a mere handful of >ultraminiature boats crewed by teensy, fingernail-sized pirates. ...and now I have Ivor Cutlers miniature gem "Brooch Boat" running repeatedly through my head... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:43:24 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #793 James Dignan wrote: > > ...and now I have Ivor Cutlers miniature gem "Brooch Boat" running > repeatedly through my head... Strangely, I was thinking of the Minipirates from Captain Bluebear. (Hey, can we start a Walter Moers thread? I mean, everyone on this list has read all his books at least twice, and attempted one in the original German* just for laffs, amirite?) Stewart (just far more happy from having Julian Koster carol at the house on Monday night than he should be) * Sebastian, you are excused. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:50:21 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Queen Vs. Patti Smith On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > >> From: lep > >> > >> One of my earliest 45s was "You're My Best Friend" > > Huh, cool -- another song that I knew only as a radio staple of my > youth, without really knowing what band it was by. I don't think I do know this one. All I'm coming up with is Jefferson Airplaine... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:33:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Darth Mercury Heep On 12/2/08, lep wrote: > > 2fs says: > >> It is distressing. I solve the problem by cutting off my Bowie > collection > >> just before that period. > > > > > > Understandable...although I will insist that there's lots of good stuff > from > > _Black Tie, White Noise_ onwards. Really, _Never Let Me Down_ > > > which tin machine was that on? Eh? No, _Never Let Me Down_, the album, which persists in being utterly unmemorable (literally: you know that old Mr. Show skit in which the founding fathers - including, for some reason, Abe Lincoln - are designing the flag and claim that its design expressly prevents performance artists from shitting on it? Trust me - anyway, I think NLMD was designed expressly to prevent anyone from remembering it at all...just a black hole of numb. I like the first Tin Machine album, and the second has its moments. And we should forget that there even *was* a live Tin Machine album. Really, I know "Tin Machine" is practically the byword for "the decline of David Bowie," but it does not deserve that reputation. I wrote a post about it maybe a year ago but am too lazy to dig up the URL (alternately, not quite self-indulgent enough to do so). > or whatever > > was his nadir, I think. Apparently the heart attack he suffered a few > years > > back was more serious than he let on - I certainly hope he records again, > > because both _Heathen_ and _Reality_ were quite good. > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Outdoor Miner (Long Version) Jeff Dwarf wrote: > So my copy of Chairs Missing (the Harvest bonus tracks version) was > shattered before I got a chance to rip it. I was able to find a copy > of the Restless version which had two of the three same bonus tracks > but replaced the single version of "Outdoor Miner" with a song called > "Go Ahead," and the current in print version has the bonus tracks > removed, so being the using kinda asshole I am I thought I'd ask if > you any of you schmucks, erm, kind souls might be able to just send > me an MP3 of it. Cuz I suck. It's taken care of, thanks to Jeff (the other one), Rex, Sebastian, craigie, and everyone who would have gotten around to offering to send it if they hadn't beaten you to it.... "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #794 ********************************