From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #786 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, November 24 2008 Volume 16 : Number 786 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: RH-free post ["C. Huff" ] Re: RH-free post ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Philly show ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Philly show ["C. Huff" ] Winchester Threat ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Winchester Threat ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: am I missing something? [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: am I missing something? ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Bovine! Spongiform! Encephalopathy! ["Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: RE: RH-free post Holy crap - hope everyone is ok...thoughts and prayers to you and yours.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:25:28 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: RH-free post Joanna's fine. She says it was absolute chaos, and just as bad outside since it was a busy Saturday night and the cops ordered everybody out, which left thousands of cars trying to make their way out of that maze of a parking lot at the same time. The moron who did the shooting hasn't been located yet, but since there was a whole raft of witnesses (the event happened just outside a glitzy new multiplex where Twilight just opened this weekend, ergo crowds) and one of the shoot-ees is in police custody in the hospital and seems to be doing fine I imagine it won't be but a couple days before they get ahold of him. I'm more concerned for the retailers at the mall who stand to lose a lot of business at a moment when they can't really afford to. Thanks to everyone for your concern. Now when do we get a Hitchcock show in our neighborhood, huh? On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM, C. Huff wrote: > Holy crap - hope everyone is ok...thoughts and prayers to you and > yours.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:27:06 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Philly show > Tried to scout for you and Lauren..but I was late and wolfing down my > bourgeois asparagus lol > Yet another great band name: Bourgeois Asparagus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: "C. Huff" Subject: Re: Philly show hahaha - feel free to use it royalty-free lol but if you make it big you have to play one of my songs. ;-) - --- On Sun, 11/23/08, kevin studyvin wrote: From: kevin studyvin Subject: Re: Philly show To: "C. Huff" Cc: djini@voicenet.com, fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 10:27 PM Tried to scout for you and Lauren..but I was late and wolfing down my bourgeois asparagus lol Yet another great band name: Bourgeois Asparagus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:05:42 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Winchester Threat ("Element of Light" is older than many people who are currently in college!) Think about the line "I don't want to hurt you, but I will" -- I have generally heard this as a threat, i.e. followed by an implicit "if I have to..." But in moments of delirium (like e.g. this morning driving to work), I hear it as a cri de coeur -- "I will" because I am powerless to avert my fate kinda thing. I think Robyn's persona in that song is more compatible with the first interpretation, but interesting to think about both and how they intersect/overlap. Something interesting about Element of Light -- I think of IODOT as a concept album, although I'm not able to identify the "concept" -- I know there is a narrative/thematic thread linking the songs, if I were only capable of teasing it out. But EOL is emphatically not such a record; each song is very distinctly itself and the only connection between them is the sound. If I were asked to name the "characteristic" track of EOL, chances are fairly even I would say "If You Were a Priest", "Winchester", "Somewhere Apart", "Raymond Chandler Evening", "Bass", or "Lady Waters and the Hooded One." (Note about "Somewhere Apart" for those of you who were talking recently about John Lennon tunes not written by John Lennon: We were listening to EOL the other night and Ellen, who is a Beatlemaniac but not familiar with Robyn's oeuvre, said "Wow, this sounds just like John Lennon" when "Somewhere Apart" came on.) J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:13:20 -0500 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Winchester Threat One other thing about "Winchester" -- I have always heard the line "Standing in the Talbot in my flares" as ending "in my fez" -- at some point I had the thought "that can't be right, the next line ends in 'there'" -- so I came up with the idea that it ended "in Mayfair". Just now I look at the Asking Tree and get disabused of my notion. (I have the lyrics sheet, and studied it pretty religiously as a 16-year-old...) J If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:45:24 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: am I missing something? <> Well, it isn't arbitrarily chopped in half, but it is chopped in half. Long films used to have intermissions, O Lucky Man is evidently one of them. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:03:13 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: am I missing something? On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, wrote: > < you've > chopped a classic in half...>> > > Well, it isn't arbitrarily chopped in half, but it is chopped in half. > Long films used to have intermissions, O Lucky Man is evidently one of > them. > > Well yeah, but shouldn't it have been possible to put it on a double-layer disc? I mean I'm not totally down with the curent state of tech but it doesn't seem beyond the limits of feasibility... Trying not to die like a dog / KS np R. Crumb & the Cheap Suit Serenaders: Chasin' Rainbows (orig. title No. 2) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:51:26 -0800 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: Bovine! Spongiform! Encephalopathy! tempted to say this conversation could be taken offlist at this point. but, what the hell: ever'body enjoys a good cinema back-and-forth, right? huhn. my reading is that it was the latter (specifically, that they hired harrison ford to hire somebody to "spy" on them) -- otherwise, how would they have known that robert duvall would show up at the hotel room? fair enough. i kind of take it on a case-by-case basis. like, on the *Miller's Crossing* laserdisc jacket, great pains are taken to explain how intricately perfect the plot is (even that the coens developed such a horrible case of writers' block during the writing of the screenplay that they shelved it to write *Barton Fink*, and then came back to it) -- even though it's far from the case. so, boo on them. on the other hand, they openly admit, in an interview included with the DVD, that *Big Lebowski*'s plot doesn't hold together perfectly (and wasn't really intended to do). so, no worries. for what it's worth, coppola doesn't address the issue one way or t'other in his commentary for *The Conversation*. can't recall. possibly not. what i find particularly annoying, in general, is when he spells out the symbolism and subtext and whatnot, as though the viewer were three months old and hadn't been able to grasp the profundities. and, hey, i'm not saying he doesn't walk the talk. just that i don't need to be condescended to, even by a masterful director. re the *Trains* tour: the only robyn show in five years that i've wanted to see, and it skipped seattle. the fuck is that? anyway, it occurs to me that "Abandoned Brain" would be kind of a fun one to hear during one of the encores. KEN "Are you in, or...are you out?" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:10:10 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Bovine! Spongiform! Encephalopathy! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Nectar At Any Cost! Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:51 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Bovine! Spongiform! Encephalopathy! >tempted to say this conversation could be taken offlist at this point. >but, what the hell: ever'body enjoys a good cinema back-and-forth, right? >like, on the *Miller's Crossing* laserdisc jacket, great pains are taken to explain how intricately perfect >the plot is (even that the coens developed such a horrible case of writers' block during the writing of the >screenplay that they shelved it to write *Barton Fink*, and then came back to it) -- even though it's far from >the case. so, boo on them. ET, do you remember where the plot holes are in Miller's Crossing? I like the tie between MC and BF, as Tom lives in the Barton Arms hotel and is the ultimate informer/fink, but certainly not a reliable at all times one to just about everyone throughout Miller's Crossing. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:04:04 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Meanwhile, on some other planet (NR) - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #786 ********************************