From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #749 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 11 2008 Volume 16 : Number 749 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Mini vMac [James Dignan ] Re: Master Debaters [James Dignan ] Re: The "Eye" debate... [James Dignan ] Re: Master Debaters [2fs ] Re: Mini vMac [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Palinex: A New Morning After Pill [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Palinex: A New Morning After Pill ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) [Rex ] Re: Master Debaters ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Whoa! [Rex ] More Prescience ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: Whoa! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] FW: Palinex: A New Morning After Pill [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: Whoa! ["(0% rh)" ] Re: Master Debaters ["(0% rh)" ] Re: R+RHOF ["(0% rh)" ] Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Whoa! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: R+RHOF ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Whoa! [Rex ] Re: Whoa! [Capuchin ] Re: Whoa! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] you told me or i told you? ["(0% rh)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:24:19 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM, 2fs wrote: > PI certainly has some good songs, but some that I can never remember, > and I'm not a fan of the production (which I will forbear from naming in > terms of decade). Well, to continue to talk about production without talking about it, I remember a mid-'90s conversation somwhere (Loud-Fans?) where I was reporting my incredulity that the Fegs were going on about how Paul Fox did a terrible job on PERSPEX ISLAND and Chalkhills (which I wasn't on for that long, because there was a real artsy prickish streak there that I couldn't abide) was going on about how Paul Fox ruined ORANGES AND LEMONS, and both of them were going on about how Paul Fox ruined 10,000 Maniacs' OUR TIME IN EDEN. Someone said (I paraphrase) "PI, O&L, OTIE reads more like a resume than an indictment." I still agree with that person. tin ears and tin mines, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:49:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Master Debaters Miles, I just aspire to deserve even half the praise you give me here.... > Gross '08! A Whedon in every pot! Maybe we could make Joss our first Secretary of Popular Culture, kinda like Lula did with Gilberto Gil in Brazil. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:06:04 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Mini vMac > Stewart > (who just installed Mini vMac on Catherine's new iMac just so she can > play Crystal Quest ...) talking of such emulation pursuits, is there anyone who knows and can recommend a classic mac (OS 8 or 9) emulator to run on an Intel-chipped Mac running 10.4? James (hoping he understands what he just wrote) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:20:52 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: Master Debaters >My MRI (prolapsed lumbar disc, since you're asking - all better now) came >through in about five days. The noise it made reminded me that I hadn't >played Metal Machine Music in AGES... They do make a lovely noise, don't they. I had one earlier this year and was warned "Bring along a CD so that we can pipe that through to cover the sound. Not realising how loud it was I picked something relaxing to listen to so that I wouldn't want to move around while being scanned. Couldn't hear a damn note of it. Iin case you're wondering, it's resulted in me seeing a specialist for possible keyhole knee surgery sometime. Sure, there may be a waiting list but with an NHS equivalent here in NZ its saved me a couple of thousand dollars. And to answer the comment about waiting lists for potentially life-threatening problems,yes, people have died as a result of waiting for treatment, thoughthere is a considerable amount of prioritising lists - triage. When my appendix came close to bursting a few years back I was operated on* five hours* after first being seen by my GP. Man this list is in overdrive lately - four digests per day! James PS - or is triage where they get showjumpers to walk their horses slowly round at a gymkhana? - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:29:13 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: The "Eye" debate... >On 10/10/08, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > > I turned round and glared at him again, but he just grinned back and kept > >> on hitting the drums. > >> > >> Tony L. > >> > > > > Bruford! > > > >Or was this in the Mastelloto (sp?) era? Kevin is right. Actually it was the era of both of them, and IIRC Tony used to stand predominantly in front of Bruford (who is by far the more grinning one anyway) with Trey Gunn in front of Mastelotto. >The sextet (or "double trio," if you prefer) that was around briefly in the >90s featured both of them, and they were awe-inspiring in concert. See the >"authorized bootleg" B'Boom. I'd recommend the DVD "Deja VROOOM" - the concert footage is great and there's loads of strange extras. I'd *heartily* recommend it if the contents list was more user-friendly. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:41:22 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Master Debaters On 10/10/08, James Dignan wrote: > > > Iin case you're wondering, it's resulted in me seeing a specialist for > possible keyhole knee surgery sometime. Ah - so you have a voyeur for a surgeon? Sure, there may be a waiting list but with an NHS equivalent here in NZ its > saved me a couple of thousand dollars. And to answer the comment about > waiting lists for potentially life-threatening problems,yes, people have > died as a result of waiting for treatment, thoughthere is a considerable > amount of prioritising lists - triage. People have certainly died here as a result either of waiting (maybe not on a waiting list as such...but waiting to treat anything because they lack insurance) and certainly as a result of the generally poor health-insurance environment. Someone else noted earlier the cumulative effects of all that reluctance to seek medical attention due to its excessive cost. I would add to this, our overly competitive system often results in people refusing to take time off work for fear of being thought a slacker, thereby at minimum spreading infectious illness or, worse, making their own condition worse. And of course, one must take time off work to see a doctor - again, someone who does this without an obvious injury or illness (i.e., preventively) risks being thought of as a shirker. A lot of the problems people point to in shifting to new ways of doing things actually result from the construction of character encouraged by capitalism: selfish, ruthless, fearful, and anxious. Yes, at first, any system that offers anything for free or cheap is likely to be taken advantage of or even cheated at by people trained their whole lives, by nearly everything in our environment, that anyone who *doesn't* take advantage of such situations is a fool...but if our culture instead was more cooperative and community-centered (as opposed to individualistic and family-centered), perhaps that would be less likely. "Community-centered" has its downsides, to be sure - mitigated by being able to shift from different communities to others, and so long as "community" is not defined merely in a geographic way. I'm not proposing, in other words, that everything become small-town America. (My wife's - sorry, "the wife" - is from a small town, so we know this from experience...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:04:14 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Mini vMac - -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Oktober 2008 11:06:04 +1300 regarding Re: Mini vMac: > talking of such emulation pursuits, is there anyone who knows and can > recommend a classic mac (OS 8 or 9) emulator to run on an Intel-chipped > Mac running 10.4? There's really only one: SheepShaver. It works OK, but I've had some trouble getting the networking to work. And it doesn't seem to be in development any longer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:06:05 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Palinex: A New Morning After Pill - - Steve ______________________ Zermatism dictates that government can never be populated with anything other than filthy boil-stricken thieves, toothless whores bursting with gonorrhea, closet grave robbers, and drooling Satanists that laugh as they pull wings off flies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:44:22 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Palinex: A New Morning After Pill Comes under the heading of "too true to be funny," ya ask me. On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > > - Steve > ______________________ > Zermatism dictates that government can never be populated with anything > other than filthy boil-stricken thieves, toothless whores bursting with > gonorrhea, closet grave robbers, and drooling Satanists that laugh as they > pull wings off flies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:48:36 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: R+RHOF Speaking of Leonard Cohen, lately I find myself obsessively going back to "Closing Time" over and over (I wonder why?) and it occurred to me, is there anybody other than L.C. likely to decide it's a good idea to rhyme "sex" and "death" (other than maybe one R. Hitchcock)? On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:05 AM, wrote: > http://www.rockhall.com/induction2009 > > my blog is "Yer Blog" > http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ > http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:12:45 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:44 AM, (0% rh) wrote: > Michael B. says: > > I'll add "The Lizard" as one of my favorite BSDR songs that don't pop out > as much as "Acid Bird" and the others. > > i love "the lizard". and it's really funny if you think it's about > jim morrison (is that what everyone thinks that song is about, or do i > just think everything thinks that?) The possibility has crossed my mind. > > > but, really, not much ever gets close to "acid bird". Definitely a Top 10 RH song for me. But I heard the version on "Hen" before the original on "BSDR", and the studio version has just never quite lived up to it. And I almost think it's nothing so much as the way it's mixed. Somehow the bass and cymbals in particular, while playing just about the same parts on both versions, sound explictly disco on "BSCR" but entirely Revolveresque on "Hen". (I like both versions, though.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:25:34 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM, 2fs wrote: > > PI certainly has some good songs, but some that I can never remember, > > and I'm not a fan of the production (which I will forbear from naming in > > terms of decade). > > Well, to continue to talk about production without talking about it, I > remember a mid-'90s conversation somwhere (Loud-Fans?) where I was > reporting my incredulity that the Fegs were going on about how Paul > Fox did a terrible job on PERSPEX ISLAND and Chalkhills (which I > wasn't on for that long, because there was a real artsy prickish > streak there that I couldn't abide) was going on about how Paul Fox > ruined ORANGES AND LEMONS, and both of them were going on about how > Paul Fox ruined 10,000 Maniacs' OUR TIME IN EDEN. Funny thing is that I like PI and O&L quite a lot, but my actual reason for not liking the production on QE is that I've always thought it sounded like the result of too many people telling Robyn that, since he was Beatle-esque already, he should try to do an XTC-style record, and it just wasn't that comfortable of a fit. The straught-ahead jangle-fest of PI suits him a lot better than the strings and "Penny Lane" horns. That said, most of me knows that QE is better than I tend to remember it. It was a letdown at the time, but that was probably because my first RH record was GOF, but I heard almost all of the other ones before QE came out. That's a lot to live up to! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:25:53 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Somehow I hadn't glommed onto the fact that it was Egyptians-only > rankings until now. OK, I'll play, and yup, I'm one of those folks > who doesn't count live and odds-n-sods albums for these porpoises: > > Globe of Frogs I should have known I could count on Miles for this one. "Globe" is probably my favorite, although "EOL" is close. The middle of my list is fairly different, but the top and bottom are the same as Miles': GOG EOL PI F! R QE (Abbreviations maximized for your convenience.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:36:51 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Master Debaters On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > Ferris, your whole argument seems to be based on the premise that it's poor > minority borrowers who are defaulting on their mortgages now. As I posted > the other day, that's simply not true. A large part of these bad loans went > to middle-class or even rich borrowers who simply borrowed too much. Hell, I would argue, based on what happened to people I know (and there but for fortune went The Wife and Myself) that these loans largely went to people who, as first time buyers, didn't actually know whether they were low- or middle-class or even perhaps becoming rich. It seems to me that the signifier of arrival in the middle class is buying a home; if they let you have a home loan, your reaction will tend to be, "Woo hoo, I bought a home-- I am SO middle class!" rather than "Say, Mr. Lending Guy, you'd better take another look... I'm not so sure I deserve the loan I signed up for, and which you granted me". I could be wrong here. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:02:15 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Re: Master Debaters good enough on him for being concerned about fannie and freddie. but he doesn't say anything here about the CRA being the cause of it all (or even of its having "got the ball rolling"). agree with this point, at any rate. in fact, i said a few days ago that the bubble's expansion began during clinton's reign. (greenspan deserves plenty of blame here. henry liu had a prescient series in 2005: .) but this misses the larger point that the economy is (and has been, really, since we broke the bank destroying indochina) fundamentally *unsound*, and debt-bubbles are an attempt to mask this fundamental weakness. works for a while, but when the time comes to pay the piper...watch out. if your over-arching point is that dems and repubs are equally contemptible, i agree with you. but, somehow, i don't think that that's your over-arching point. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:20:01 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Whoa! Mindboggling assholishness at McCain rallies: Hilarious? Terrifying? A new term is required: hilarifying? Wow. Just... wow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:03:30 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: More Prescience stoneleigh, now of "the automatic earth" blog, on the credit crisis: . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:13:46 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Whoa! - -- "Stewart C. Russell" is rumored to have mumbled on 1. Oktober 2008 07:23:06 -0400 regarding Re: Whoa!: >> "Waves" is the only song of theirs that I know. Is the rest any good? > > 'Living On The Ceiling' is the classic: > > (great bloody irrelevant 80s video there) I don't think I'd ever heard that before, although I recognise the title. It's interesting but since I didn't know it then, it doesn't have that nostalgia kick for me that other songs do. Anyway, I can't really be sure, but I think I would like "Waves" more even if I heard that for the first time now ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:59:29 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: FW: Palinex: A New Morning After Pill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:17:31 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Whoa! Rex says: > Mindboggling assholishness at McCain rallies: > > Hilarious? > > Terrifying? > > A new term is required: hilarifying? > > Wow. Just... wow. oh, that's a nice one. perhaps if the republicans had more imagination, they would have already taken it for clinton. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:28:37 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Master Debaters 2fs says: > (My wife's - sorry, "the wife" -is from a small town, so we know this from experience...) i'm behind the times on feglist, but i meant to post that term "the wife" has never bothered me. in fact, i kind of like it - it's sort of remote and endearing at the time. plus it has the benefit of specifying singular. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:46:55 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: R+RHOF kevin says: > Speaking of Leonard Cohen, lately I find myself obsessively going back to > "Closing Time" over and over (I wonder why?) and it occurred to me, is there > anybody other than L.C. likely to decide it's a good idea to rhyme "sex" > and "death" (other than maybe one R. Hitchcock)? "closing time" was the song that led to buying my first leonard cohen CD (which then led to my wondering why his existence had remained hidden from me for so long -- there's a distinct lack of LC in my karass.) i think it was the line "she's 100, but she's wearing something tight" that did it. xo p.s. my dad and i watched "the wonder boys" the other night (my first time, his first (he loved enough that i had to dig up the book for him)) and i noticed or re-noticed a cohen song in the movie ("miracle.") hearing a cohen song in a movie always reminds me of my friend c.'s comment on "exotica": "i love it -- a strip club that plays nothing but leonard cohen!" - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:25:04 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Rex wrote: > GOG "Globe of Grog"? - -- If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:26:47 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife A-and speaking of all these here Egyptians records, was the "Shadow Cat" disc that came out earlier this year Egyptians-era stuff? I haven't heard it or much about it yet. What's it like? On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Rex wrote: >> GOG > > "Globe of Grog"? > - -- If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Josi Saramago http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:48:11 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: R+RHOF On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:46 AM, (0% rh) wrote: > "closing time" was the song that led to buying my first leonard cohen > CD (which then led to my wondering why his existence had remained > hidden from me for so long -- there's a distinct lack of LC in my > karass.) I now have to share one of my earliest Interweb stories. Actually, I think this conversation took place on the old RIME music board, i.e., a message board shared between BBSes, so quasi-Internet at that point... Anyway, some young person asked if any of us knew where to get a turntable that played vinyl at 16 RPM. We were all "whaaaa? why?" And then the young person replied "I love that Everybody Knows song on the PUMP UP THE VOLUME soundtrack but I want to do what Hard Harry [Christian Slater's character] did and play it at 16 RPM." And then it dawned on the rest of us: because the actual soundtrack album had Concrete Blonde's *cover* of "Everybody Knows" rather than the Cohen original that was actually used in the movie, this person assumed that the singer's voice was so low in the movie because Hard Harry was playing the Concrete Blonde version at 16 RPM. Obligatory Nashville note: local rock scene footnote Chagall Guevara, which probably got the most press of any local band during the fallow period between the demise of the great local '80s rock scene and the ascendancy of the Murfreesboro bands in the mid-'90s, has a song on that soundtrack. > p.s. my dad and i watched "the wonder boys" the other night (my first > time, his first (he loved enough that i had to dig up the book for > him)) and i noticed or re-noticed a cohen song in the movie > ("miracle.") I *think* this is spoiler-free, mostly: I thought that movie was flat-out hilariously great for, like, 104 of 111 minutes. Michael Douglas really does some impressive acting and gets out of his skin instead of just being Michael Douglas. That is, until the last scene of the movie, where apparently Grady Tripp has to turn into Michael Douglas in order to have the ending they want. I wouldn't want that to discourage anyone who hasn't seen it, because very few movies can boast WONDER BOYS' entertainment-to-dreck ratio, and it's not as though the last few minutes undo the rest of the movie. I just wish that the final scene was consistent with the spirit of the rest of the film and the rest of Douglas' otherwise great performance. >hearing a cohen song in a movie always reminds me of my > friend c.'s comment on "exotica": "i love it -- a strip club that > plays nothing but leonard cohen!" Heh! Egoyan FTW! later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:14:39 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Whoa! Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > I don't think I'd ever heard that before, although I recognise the > title. To me, it's the only track that registers. They're almost one-hit wonders. Stewart PS: Eddie:- the new Jolie Holland completely rocks!!! "Love Henry", her version of Henry Lee, is the best version of a murder ballad I've ever heard, and shows Nick Cave that, at this game, he's just a prancing little wanker. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:37:08 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: R+RHOF > p.s. my dad and i watched "the wonder boys" the other night (my first > time, his first (he loved enough that i had to dig up the book for > him)) and i noticed or re-noticed a cohen song in the movie > ("miracle.") > Probly mentioned in here before how much I love that movie. Not to mention the soundtrack album, which I normally don't have much use for. > hearing a cohen song in a movie always reminds me of my > friend c.'s comment on "exotica": "i love it -- a strip club that > plays nothing but leonard cohen!" > If I might suggest: http://www.mitchclem.com/mystupidlife/93/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:09:10 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Whoa! Hmm, never had this happen before-- I started a new thread called "Whoa!" (I know, original and all) about wingnut McCain supporters, and it was somehow automatically merged with the existing thread called "Whoa!" about Blacmange reissues. Only in gmail, maybe? - -Rex On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:17 AM, (0% rh) wrote: > Rex says: > > Mindboggling assholishness at McCain rallies: > > > > Hilarious? > > > > Terrifying? > > > > A new term is required: hilarifying? > > > > Wow. Just... wow. > > oh, that's a nice one. > > perhaps if the republicans had more imagination, they would have > already taken it for clinton. > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:48:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Whoa! On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Rex wrote: > Hmm, never had this happen before-- I started a new thread called > "Whoa!" (I know, original and all) about wingnut McCain supporters, and > it was somehow automatically merged with the existing thread called > "Whoa!" about Blacmange reissues. Only in gmail, maybe? Ideally, your mail client would use Message-ID and Reference tags to identify membership in a thread rather than merely the Subject header. That's poopy. J. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:24:53 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Whoa! - -- Capuchin is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Oktober 2008 13:48:38 -0500 regarding Re: Whoa!: > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008, Rex wrote: >> Hmm, never had this happen before-- I started a new thread called >> "Whoa!" (I know, original and all) about wingnut McCain supporters, and >> it was somehow automatically merged with the existing thread called >> "Whoa!" about Blacmange reissues. Only in gmail, maybe? > > Ideally, your mail client would use Message-ID and Reference tags to > identify membership in a thread rather than merely the Subject header. > > That's poopy. It's a bit complicated. I use Mulberry as my IMAP client, and it also merged the threads. To be more precise, my IMAP server did that. That's actually why I belatedly replied to Stewart's earlier post - it brought the old post down to the more recent ones, so I noticed that I had meant to reply but hadn't. Anyway, Mulberry uses server-side threading if available. The reason for that kind of threading is that the specification for the IMAP THREAD extension (actually still a draft) mandates that the Subject header be used in addition to Reference headers. The extension is based on the threading implementation by Netscape that's described here: It's the de facto standard. The rationale for using Subject as well is to deal with messages without Reference headers. I agree that in this day and age the algorithm isn't optimal anymore, but I think it's too late to do much about it. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:57:00 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: you told me or i told you? hi fegs, did you guys tell me about this: http://store.theonion.com/our-dumb-world-tee-che-p-172.html it is the funniest t-shirt in the Whole Wide World.** (i'm kind of confused as i thought someone e-mailed me about it. i can't remember if it was feglist. it doesn't seem so (although my search skills are kind of lame.) BUT, the only people i know in 3D who would have proper appreciation for it would no way have the the requisite initiative to tell me of it's existence. so maybe i was visiting the onion (i don't read it as much as i used to, plus i haven't yet accepted the concept of onion video. ))) as ever, lauren ** if you disagree, please post and tell about the funnier t-shirt. or another t-shirt that's funny even if it's not Whole-Wide-World-class funny. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #749 ********************************