From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #742 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 8 2008 Volume 16 : Number 742 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Master Debaters [James Dignan ] Re:Queen Elvis [James Dignan ] Re: death and dying ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Creedence ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #738 [Jeff Dwarf ] =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_Hi!_I=92m_an_admin_from_a_Fli?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ckr_group_called_=93CRT_Monitors_?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?and_Dot_Matrix_Printers_FTW!=94_a?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?nd_we=92d_love_to_add_your_photo!?= [] Freddie, Fannie, rights, bailout ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife [Rex ] Re: A couple of things about Eye [Rex ] Re: Another econo-politicalish note [Marc Alberts ] Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife ["C. Huff" ] Re: The "Eye" debate... [2fs ] Re: Master Debaters [Rex ] Re: Another econo-politicalish note ["kevin studyvin" ] cast your aspersions to the wind [2fs ] Re: A couple of things about Eye ["Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Master Debaters >Here's a quiz question: > >Q: What do Barak Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common? >A: They're both friends with someone who bombed the Pentagon. > >C'mon, man! What type of political party nominates a Presidential >candidate who's friends with an admitted, unrepentant domestic >terrorist? What party (much less nation) elects someone like that? Many years ago, my dad worked for a company in London - one of the people he worked with was a guy called Carl Reinhardt. Dad and Carl became firm friends. 30 years earlier, my dad had been in the Royal New Zealand Navy escorting convoys across the Pacific - his ship got badly damaged when it was torpedoed off ther Solomons. At about the same time, Carl had been in the Luftwaffe bombing London. Did dad approve of what Carl had done during the war? No, though he understood the reasons for it. And though he would never have condoned it, it didn't change the fact that Carl was his friend. The C arl of the 1970s was a different person to the Carl of the 1940s, withmarkedly different views. Ayers has admitted remorse for his actions of 30 years ago - guarded ones, admittedly (he has said that the reasons for doing them - specifically opposition to Vietnam - were the right reasons, but that the means used were not right); it should make little difference to who he is today - and it is today that is important. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:15:49 +1300 From: James Dignan Subject: Re:Queen Elvis >Huh -- just went over to Asking Tree and realized that the title track >does not even appear on the record. It appeared on a lovely long-deleted list of such albums at Wikipedia, along with such albums as "The kids are alright", "Born Sandy Devotional", "Safe as milk", "Recurring dream","World shut your mouth", and "Sheer heart attack". James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:23:04 -0700 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: Re: death and dying > From: "(0% rh)" > personally, i find it strange that people are so interested in > prescribing the "well-being" of someone that they would essentially > force them to stay alive when they don't wish it. it seems at best > controlling, and, at worst, pretty fucking sick. i do understand that > assisting a person with such wishes may certainly not be the realm of > a physician, but, there are ways that can be handled -- it just seems > inhumane not to allow people to make these decisions for themselves. > Organized religion's funny like that. > so i wish you success with this issue in washington. > Thank you! > > and, while i'm in the death thread, i may as repeat once more how > thankful i am that my mother was able to receive hospice and stay at > home during the last two months of her illness. she was never > hospitalized for her illness (she went as an outpatient to receive > treatment and diagnostic tests only.) hospice is a truly remarkable > service, and i can't speak highly enough of it, or of the people > involved in it. because of hospice, i was able to spend my mother's > last days with her, at her home, in her room, at her side. and as > sort of haunted as i am by that experience, i feel very grateful that > i could be there with her, and, were i faced again with the same, yes > is all there would be. I've told you this before offline, Lauren, but I am so glad your mother had the chance to receive hospice. Neither of my parents had the chance (their declines were too rapid). I still think far too few people know it's an option, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:29:07 -0700 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: Creedence > From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" > > covers is that you can't really do 'em better than Creedence. Fogerty's > voice is pretty inimitable, and the songs just tend to sound wrong without > it.> > > sleater-kinney knocked "Fortunate Son" out of the park during their *All > Hands On The Bad One* tour. > Brandi Carlile does a good version too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1yEO06BQuI ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #738 James Dignan wrote: >> speaking of feg DJs (and nice job on the retrospective, jonesie! -- >> although you neglected to give the source for "Astronomy"): what >> was the first song y'all ever played on the air? if ever i were to >> free up enough time to be able to take to the airwaves, i think >> i'd have to go with "Lick My Doberman's Dick". > > now THERE's a question. I'd have to think back obver 20 years for > that one... I suspect it might have been "Photographs of naked > ladies" by Toy Love. Of my choice: Stereolab: The Noise of Carpet, Bob Dylan: Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll, Depeche Mode: The Sweetest Perfection, Tom Waits: Eggs & Sausage (in a Cadillac with Susan Michaelson), Ray Charles: Sticks & Stones, Siouxsie & The Banshees: This Wheel's on Fire. "I love how (coffee) makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!" -- Kenneth Parcell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:33:37 -0700 From: Rex Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_Hi!_I=92m_an_admin_from_a_Fli?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?ckr_group_called_=93CRT_Monitors_?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?and_Dot_Matrix_Printers_FTW!=94_a?= =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?nd_we=92d_love_to_add_your_photo!?= On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > sleater-kinney knocked "Fortunate Son" out of the park during their *All > Hands On The Bad One* tour. Really? Oh, that's cool. Corrin would be among the few whose spin on Fogerty would be a good idea... I mean, any female voice would be cool in that it would put a little distance between the cover and the original, but Ms. Tucker seems ideally suited. > <> It is the Week of Win-Filled Typos, I do declair. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:37:29 -0700 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: Freddie, Fannie, rights, bailout > From: Capuchin > > The federally owned lending and lending insurance corporations (Freddie > Mac and Fannie Mae) did, in fact, have their standards lowered and that > allowed for many people to receive mortgages that they very likely could > never pay. > Freddie and Fannie were federally chartered, but not federally owned. > FSThomas wrote: > > Your rights as I understand them are laid out in the Constitution and > > not so much to detail what the Government needs to protect, but rather > > what the Government need not infringe upon. (Next thing someone will > > pipe up about your supposed "right to *vote*" for Christ's sake.) > > Your assertion that the US Constitution is the sole source of your rights > is at best foolish, hasty, short-sighted ignorance and at worst blatant, > misleading dishonesty. > > For instance, you believe in your right to, say, walk down the street > without getting shot. The Constitution does not "lay out" that right or > anything like it. > Indeed. Don't forget Amendments 9 and 10. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. While we're on the general subject, I just wrote this piece on the part financial illiteracy played in this whole mess, and how it's a shame we're not taking the opportunity to rectify that. $150 billion in pork and not a dime for financial education. Would be interested to see what Fegs think... http://www.crosscut.com/business-technology/18468/Personal+Finance+101/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:52:22 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM, C. Huff wrote: > > < refer to their > wives as "the wife." I believe it is said in jest, but where > is the > dwelling place of this expression? It sounds very Archie Bunker to > me. I'm probably one of them. If so, I say it sort of satirically, and sort of because I like to err on the side of not making the names of everyone in my family too public (and if you have to do that, you might as well be a little satirical about it). I nearly had a "That One - Biden 2008" bumper sticker made for me today... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:54:46 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Another econo-politicalish note On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:19 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > And speaking of > actors in high places who despised regulation and encouraged recklessness, > greed, and irresponsibility...I give you the former Governor of California > who's regarded as semi-divine by the celebrants of the free-market cult. You can take him back... we've had him long enough. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:02:31 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:55 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > If you want a perfect example of how '80s production sounds of its time > and > > doesn't really gel with today's music, listed to the "Brothers in Arms" > > album all the way through. Some of the songs on there are classics - but > > it's now almost impossible to listen to the entire album wothout giving > up > > part way through. > > > > Then there's Neil Young's attempt at a synth-pop album, Landing On Water... Well, although it's obviously from the '80's, and sounds like it, it's also incredibly fucked up in some other ways, too. And it's got some pretty good songs on it ("Touch the Night" was probably the first Neil song I ever knowingly heard, believe it or not). But do not, I repeat do *not* listen to "Life". When I say I hate something "more than Life itself", I don't mean "life the ongoing phenomenon", I mean "Life the Neil Young and Crazy Horse album", and I only say it when I really don't like anything. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:03:17 -0400 From: Marc Alberts Subject: Re: Another econo-politicalish note Christopher Gross wrote: > SUBPRIME SUSPECTS > The right blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners. This is > not merely offensive, but entirely > wrong. > by Daniel Gross > > http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/ > > NB: Not written from a socialist perspective. Interesting that the article doesn't actually deal with any direct facts about the housing crisis, but instead argues by innuendo (loaning to poor people might not be risky with microloans, but we're not talking about microloans; CRA deals only with depository banks, but let's not forget that Fannie and Freddie weren't covered under CRA either, and yet they were applying CRA standards to loans they were buying from all originators, not just depository banks; etc.). I would recommend as a good counterpoint to this spin-doctoring http://tinyurl.com/6aaotn (an excellent article by The Village Voice, so you know it's hardly from the Republican political machine). The policies they talk about Andrew Cuomo adopting (which Bush's HUD secretaries continued--no party is blameless in this whole thing) were announced in 2000 as $2 trillion in loans through the "American Dream Commitment" program to 18 million "targeted American families." It is simple demographics to know that these loans would target more minorities than their general percentage in the population. You can't blame the poor minorities specifically, but a huge part of the entire outreach by Fannie and Freddie were government-ordered (sorry, Michael, but the problem here wasn't deregulation but, like the California energy crisis very poorly designed and implemented regulations, such as the rule that was put in to ensure that despite the tremendous expansion of the GSEs that no new reporting or auditing requirements would be imposed on them) policies designed to make poor minorities into homeowners. So it's not entirely wrong, and it shouldn't be any more offensive than suggesting that the solution to poorly enforced laws (CRA,FHA and others) is not enforcing those laws but putting other programs in place to address the same goals only in a far riskier way. A good article supporting VV's article is from 1999, describing these efforts: http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/31/news/mn-42807. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:05:23 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Another econo-politicalish note On 10/8/08, FSThomas wrote: > > Christopher Gross wrote: > >> SUBPRIME SUSPECTS >> ... >> http://www.slate.com/id/2201641/ >> >> > > The article raises some interesting arguments, but I think they're entirely > skirting the responsibility of the CRA, Carter, Clinton, ACRORN, Christopher > Todd and Barney Franks. Their efforts, combined with a slew of investors > who severely over-extended themselves caused the problem. For myself, if I blame or cast aspersions on right-wingers, this does *not* mean I'm assuming liberals or Democrats are the embodiment of all that is right, pure, good, and wise in the universe. > > People who lied and said their homes were worth upwards of 50% more than > their actual appraised values, and the appraisers who signed off on it, and > the lender who utterly failed in their due diligence to check the actual > condition of the property, all of them should face consequences for what > they did. Re "People who lied": well, they "lied" if they were given reasonable evidence that their homes were actually worth much less...but the average person is in no position to evaluate the worth of his/her home: homeowners rely on professionals to provide this info. And correct me: is it not a point of faith in economics that things have no "true" value, only what the market will bear? And therefore, if market experts say that a home's value is $500,000, because they believe that the home could reasonably be sold for that amount, then if the homeowner, taking that professional advice, says the home's worth half a million, there's no "lying" on the part of the homeowner. If anyone's at fault here, it's the professionals who overestimated the robustness of the market. If they did so to enhance their own purposes - the financial equivalent of stuffing a cucumber in one's trousers - well, when the pants come off and there's a limp little fingerling there instead, whose fault is that? Given that people cannot be expected to know the complexities of a highly volatile housing market, they rely on professionals whose duty it is to faithfully inform those homeowners of the conditions of mortgages, valuations, etc. If those professionals fail in those duties (whether intentionally or not), they are the ones who should pay the price - not the homeowner who acted in good faith on the advice of such professionals. My zip code had a median household income in 1999 of $24,604 (US Census > Bureau http://tinyurl.com/4baufv). Median home values averaged $69,700 in > '99 (both stats were the most recent I could find). > > More recent data (not as reliable as the Census, but I'll run with it from > http://tinyurl.com/4kf97e) for my zip puts the inflation-adjusted average > Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) in 2005 at $21,620. We're in the bottom 6% for > the entire country. > > So a zip code poorer than 94% of the rest of the U.S. simultaneously scores > the second highest number of foreclosures. Can you make any inferences from > that? Nah. Lending to the poor is good and stable. Thinking otherwise isn't > merely offensive, but entirely wrong. *Encouraging* lenders to find ways to increase homeownership among underrepresented groups is not the same as *compelling* them to do so. I will note also that until this crisis broke, the murmurings about its problems were not coming from those making (putative) money on the deals, but on those whiners and malcontents in the left-wing press, whose jeremiads were regarded as so much party-pooping by the moneyed go-go crowd. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:00:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "C. Huff" Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife <> yes, I was quoting Jill on that...I should really put names by each of the quotes... I was calling Obama "the thin one" on Facebook yesterday... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:07:41 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The "Eye" debate... On 10/8/08, James Dignan wrote: > > Dear old Musician - I don't know which was more fun, Robert Fripp's columns >> or the indignant letters in response to them, the most succinct of which >> read simply, "What a pretentious asshole" - which I'm sure Fripp got a >> chuckle out of. >> > > Reminds me of one of the few times the Fripp wrote to the King Crimson > email list "Elephant Talk" (which several members of the band were lurkers > on, in one case hilariously so, which I'll have to tell you about at some > point if prodded). Prod, prod, prod... Someone had written in that he didn't like Fripp's latest solo album since" > the level of mindless noodling on it is far too high". A reply came in along > the lines of "This Fripp would be intrigued to know what level of mindless > noodling would be acceptable." See, I've always thought Fripp was hilarious - yes, he's a serious guy, but in his writings he exaggerates that persona, and as I said, to my ears the humor is obvious...yet there are those who persist in imagining him (as an old friend of mine memorably put it...although he may have stolen the description) "the Mr. Spock of rock." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:17:30 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Master Debaters On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:56 AM, FSThomas wrote: > > You cannot control the crowd. Should she have stopped and rebuked the > person who shouted out? Sure. She also might not have heard it. I've been thinking about this. Most of us have been in crowds when something offensive or hurtful is yelled out. Usually the crowd takes a moment to adjust to the shock and then... someone does take it upon themselves to do something to rebuke the offender. Unless the majority actually approves of the sentiment, at which time sensible dissenters GTFO. Since we're not hearing about the crowds (or Palin or McCain) turning on or rebuking these scary wingnuts-- and I apologize if I've missed stories that they have, but I'd assume "McCain rally turns into brawl" would get some media traction-- you almost have to assume that the comments are being made precisely to stoke these kinds of ugly reactions. And yeah, that's more scary than the fat fake S1W's for Obama, who, lame though they be, don't seem to be harming or advocating the harming of anyone. > > > Here's a quiz question: > > Q: What do Barak Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common? > A: They're both friends with someone who bombed the Pentagon. Ferris, you're better than this. Seriously. I've never once gotten an e-mail from the Democratic party containing talking points to cut 'n' paste and share with your mailing-list friends, but I guess real mavericks do that sort of thing. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:21:48 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Another econo-politicalish note On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:19 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > >> And speaking of >> actors in high places who despised regulation and encouraged recklessness, >> greed, and irresponsibility...I give you the former Governor of California >> who's regarded as semi-divine by the celebrants of the free-market cult. > > > You can take him back... we've had him long enough. > > -Rex > Dude - I meant the other one. I used to catch his act on "Death Valley Days" back in the 20th century, and now it looks like everybody's going there together. (Which brings back memories of Neil Innes doing his big "protest song" with Monty Python, prefaced by mumbling, "Uhhh...ladies an' gemmin, I've suffered for my music...now it's your turn.") link to slightly lesser performance from OGWT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfTlGMCeuDE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:23:38 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Perspex Island, politics, and the wife On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Rex wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:27 PM, C. Huff wrote: > >> >> <> refer to their >> wives as "the wife." I believe it is said in jest, but where >> is the >> dwelling place of this expression? It sounds very Archie Bunker to >> me. > > > I'm probably one of them. If so, I say it sort of satirically, and sort of > because I like to err on the side of not making the names of everyone in my > family too public (and if you have to do that, you might as well be a little > satirical about it). Me, it's because I'm a paternalistic, sexist pig. Actually, what Rex said. Or both. You be the judge! later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "C. Huff" Subject: RE: Master Debaters <> Yes, it would be great if every rich person was charitable and built free clinics and hospitals. Obama's not calling for universal healthcare, though. He's calling (the same as Kerry did in 04) for people to be able to buy into the same insurance plan as members of Congress at reduced rates. He's calling for tax credits for health insurance premiums. His goal is to have everybody in this fabulously wealthy country of the US to be able to afford to purchase their own healthcare. This is different from universal healthcare where nobody pays anything and everything is covered by the government. You're still going to have to pay the government for healthcare (how American!), but Obama's going to make sure that you can afford it. I am actually for universal healthcare. It seems to work quite well in France, Sweden, Canada, etc....I think it is ridiculous that we, the American taxpayers, give 700 billion to Wall Street, billions to Iraq, and yet American citizens who are sick and disabled, many on a fixed income, have to spend most of their income on healthcare related issues. It would be nice if we all recognized our "obligation" but until greed and selfishness disappear from this world, a government that is technically "of the people, by the people, for the people" should be supporting this new 21st century human right: every person's right to quality healthcare. In the USA, it is also listed that one has the right to "the pursuit of happiness". Let's say my pursuit of happiness is building model airplanes (it's not). Just because somebody has to make that model and ship it to a store, because labor is required in the purchase of the model, you would believe that the pursuit of happiness is not a fundamental human right? If you want to include a long list of rights of the doctors and staff to get paid, unionize, what have you - then I am all for that. If you also want to stipulate that people must learn about their own conditions and self-medicate when possible, then I am all for that too. But until access to quality healthcare is recognized as a human right and healthcare is not operated as a for-profit institution, we are going to have much of the world still suffering...the world is quite sick, starving, and despairing in case you hadn't noticed.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:26:53 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: cast your aspersions to the wind As long as we're dogging the reputations of politicians with the foibles and outright criminality of their merest acquaintances, I'll take this opportunity to point out...Mr. Todd Palin (I'd say he's more than a passing acquaintance with the Republican VP candidate), who belonged to a group that wanted Alaska to secede from the US. I think there was a war or something fought over that issue once? Kind of a no-no, that. And that was not 15-25 years ago - that was 2000-something. And rumors persist that Ms. Palin herself belonged the same organization. And then there's the noble Mr. McCain...and his good buddy Oleg Deripaska, a charming man whose numerous indictments - including threatening the lives of rival industrialists, illegal wire-tapping, and money laundering - are surely all a big misunderstanding. (See < http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman>) Deripaska's criminality was such that he was denied entry into the US, severely hampering his ability to generate business here - and McCain and a bunch of his buddies helped out the nice gentleman... As a condition of his entry, Deripaska was vetted by the FBI...the interview went poorly, and upon his departure, Deripaska's ban was reinstated. Threatening lives, tapping phones, laundering funds, fomenting secession...that, however, is nothing compared to kinda-sorta knowing a guy fifteen years back who, when Obama was a child, engaged in tactical violence in an effort to stop the Vietnam War. Motives are important too: even if we consider the group Todd Palin belonged to as idealistic by their own lights, Deripaska's actions surely are not: they were entirely to enrich him and his companies and enhance his power. (Without justifying Ayers' actions at all - and the Wikipedia entry on Ayers notes that contrary to Ferris's assertions, Ayers *has* on occasion regretted the costs of his actions, while insisting that his goals were sound - and condemned terrorism specifically - I find it mystifying that state actors who cost the lives of hundreds of thousands are excused in their actions, while someone like Ayers is made out to be far worse. Sorry - even if it were true that he'd never regretted anything he did or that happened as a result of his actions, even if he'd killed a whole bunch of people in doing so, he's still in the minors where death and destruction are concerned.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:27:29 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:55 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: >> If you want a perfect example of how '80s production sounds of its time and >> doesn't really gel with today's music, listed to the "Brothers in Arms" >> album all the way through. Some of the songs on there are classics - but >> it's now almost impossible to listen to the entire album wothout giving up >> part way through. >> > > Then there's Neil Young's attempt at a synth-pop album, Landing On Water... I have no trouble with BROTHERS IN ARMS. And I love LANDING ON WATER, which has some really kickin' trademark Neil fuzzed-out geetar too... and was something of a return to all-out rockin' for him after the TRANS to EVERYBODY'S ROCKIN' to OLD WAYS journey. I'm a TRANS fan too, actually... yr tin ear for synth pop, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #742 ********************************