From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #739 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 8 2008 Volume 16 : Number 739 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: David Foster Wallace mention in CCR Review [2fs ] Re: A couple of things about Eye ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: A couple of things about Eye ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) ["kevin stud] Re: A couple of things about Eye ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Master Debaters [FSThomas ] RE: communication breakdown ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Master Debaters ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Master Debaters ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: A couple of things about Eye [Rex ] Re: wisdom [Rex ] Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) [Rex ] Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) [craigie* ] Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) ["kevin stud] Re: A couple of things about Eye ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) [HwyCDRrev@a] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:37:56 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: David Foster Wallace mention in CCR Review On 10/7/08, Miles Goosens wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:30 PM, 2fs wrote: > > On 10/7/08, Miles Goosens wrote: > > >> However, I don't think d. Boon and Watt ever gave a damn about cred > > > > Well, there you go: "not giving a damn about cred" is way cooler than the > > giving of damns - ipso fucto, more cred. > > > While I totally get Jeff's Hipster Paradox - and coincidentally, the > wife and I were discussing the conformity of the nonconformist last > night - I don't think the Minutemen were playing the "not giving a > damn about cred" card. > No - I don't think they were playing any card either. That doesn't prevent them from getting a cred card sent their way regardless of their will, however! See: being cool without trying. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:52:56 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: David Foster Wallace mention in CCR Review > Bob Quine never hurt anything that wasn't asking for it. > If that line doesn't deserve its own t-shirt... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:03:21 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Master Debaters Yr always going to be dealing with segments of the population who believe liberal=stalinist. I was conversing with an individual at work recently who opined that while Jon Stewart is funny, he's "as far left as you can get." I was tempted to ask how he felt about Trotsky but we're encouraged to avoid political discussion in the workplace. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 10/7/08, FSThomas wrote: > > > > Man, McCain looks really, really bad. > > > > This is worse than Dole/Clinton. By a long shot. > > > > My only warning: Capitalism may very well be unevenly distributed wealth, > > but socialism is always (always) evenly distributed poverty. > > > > Well, by "poverty" do you mean "the inability to acquire necessities for > living" or merely "being poorer than some large percentage X of the > population"? The first is, of course, a problem; the second not > *necessarily* so...and if everyone did have the necessities of the first > definition, the second should cease to matter. > > But I fail to see the relevance - surely you're not imagining Obama is any > sort of socialist? > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:03:20 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:33 PM, 2fs wrote: > The era whose production most frequently gets called "dated" seems to be the > '80s (I'll let Miles rant about how unfair this all is). I'll probably save the full rant for a future blog entry, but I'll be uncharacteristically brief here: The '80s should be allowed to sound like the '80s. unrepentantly, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:06:12 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: communication breakdown McCain has now joined Bill O'Reilly on the list of people who my wife, an extraordinarily even-tempered and tolerant person (she puts up with me), if they appear on the tee-vee will start spewing curses and leave the room. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:48 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > Jill says: > > Um, how can I let John McCain know that I am not his friend? > > if he had even 1/2 a brain, you wouldn't have to. > > xo > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:07:07 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye As in, hate the sin but love the sinner? On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:33 PM, 2fs wrote: > > The era whose production most frequently gets called "dated" seems to be > the > > '80s (I'll let Miles rant about how unfair this all is). > > I'll probably save the full rant for a future blog entry, but I'll be > uncharacteristically brief here: > > The '80s should be allowed to sound like the '80s. > > unrepentantly, > > Miles > > > -- > now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:08:52 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) > Also, "Lucrative Cone Income Stream" would be a good band name, Robyn > instrumental, or Jenna Jamison autobiography title. > > Or a painting by Don Vliet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:11:46 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Miles Goosens > wrote: >> >> Let me also remind folks that being sick of the title track because Robyn >> plays it a lot in concert is a disease of the cognoscenti. > > Title track... to a different album, amirite??? > > But I kid, and the point is well-taken. D'oh. Write a lot, make a lot of mistakes. At least that happens to me. Just wait till I talk about PHYSICAL GRAFFITI and say that "Houses of the Holy" is the title track. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 00:25:09 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye No. Well, maybe, kinda. But to me, no sin's been committed. There is nothing wrong with an '80s sound. Nothing. Jeff, who's been part of this discussion with me before in other places, not only mentioned things people might fault about '80s production, but mentioned characteristic sounds of other decades that might date that stuff. I understand the objections/problems he's talking about, even if they don't bother me. But no one complains that something sounds too Merseybeat clone. No one complains that something sounds too Glyn Johns '70s-classic-rock-y. It's always the '80s that get singled out. And I think that is way unfair to the artists, to the material, and to the decade. It's actually asking *more* of that decade than of the others - - "hey, you know your characteristic sound? Yeah, sorry, but you shouldn't have sounded like that. I will now slag off everything that ever had a Yamaha DX7 on it." Again, no one seems to ever say "enough with the Rickenbackers already!" It's like dropping the '80s two letter grades because it couldn't manage to be *anachronistic.* Dammit, you're making me talk more about this! Tricky fegs. later, Miles On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 12:07 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > As in, hate the sin but love the sinner? > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Miles Goosens > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:33 PM, 2fs wrote: >> > The era whose production most frequently gets called "dated" seems to be >> > the >> > '80s (I'll let Miles rant about how unfair this all is). >> >> I'll probably save the full rant for a future blog entry, but I'll be >> uncharacteristically brief here: >> >> The '80s should be allowed to sound like the '80s. >> >> unrepentantly, >> >> Miles >> >> >> -- >> now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ > > - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: wisdom > * Kinks quotes are eternally cool. Would someone tell this to my friends and family? Jill, sitting on her sofa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 08:16:43 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Master Debaters 2fs wrote: > But I fail to see the relevance - surely you're not imagining Obama is > any sort of socialist? That's a joke, right? Setting his voting record aside and his desire to raise taxes, any further expansion of the Federal Government is going to trend us toward a socialist system. The mantra is "that which governs best, governs least", not "a chicken in every pot, Government in every aspect of your lives". The current economic slump (potential disaster/train wreck, call it what you will) happened in no small part to Senator Obama's fine, upstanding work with Acorn (or Acorn in general) and his party's stalwart resistance to reform in regard to housing and lending practices. Now, because everyone fought so hard to instill a sense of fairness -- that everyone (even the unqualified) should own homes -- the US Government has a, what? 80% stake in some banks? And is going into the mortgage business due to the recent "rescue" package? Government-run banks and having to pay your mortgage to the Government sounds more like socialization to me. It's come to this at the hands of the Democratically lead Congress. During the debate last night Senator Obama said he felt health care was a right. I hate to break it to him, but it's not a right. Your rights as I understand them are laid out in the Constitution and not so much to detail what the Government needs to protect, but rather what the Government need not infringe upon. (Next thing someone will pipe up about your supposed "right to *vote*" for Christ's sake.) Anyhow, I'm just astounded at the short-sightedness of the GOP for having put McCain up for this. There were a lot better horses to put in this race. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:23:01 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: communication breakdown - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jill Brand Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:43 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: communication breakdown Jill wrote: >Um, how can I let John McCain know that I am not his friend? Jill, don't you want a steady hand on the tiller rather then that one? McCain was like a boiling teapot on the edge of the stove last night. He's a fraction away from blowing up at Obama as the steam is rising from his collar or falling over with some of the tentative steps he was taking last night on the stage. John and Cindy McCain sure didn't hang around long last night after the debate, while the Obama's shook hands with the audience for a good half hour or so afterwards. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:01:20 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:38 PM To: fegs Subject: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) Miles wrote: >>last played, and, holy cow, on-topic: Robyn Hitchcock, BLACK SNAKE DIAMONDROLE. >>You know an album's a great one when even the tracks you sometimesdon't think about >>(in my case, "Meat," "Out of the Picture," and "City ofShame") are just as stunningly classic as >>the ones that instantly come to mind. >"Out of the Picture" has grown into one of my absolutely favorite RH songs...and, yeah, >almost surprisingly jumps out of such an older record (that I may not play as much as some of the others) >...but yet sounds as modern as anything. Almost coulda been a hit (whatever that might mean)... I'll add "The Lizard" as one of my favorite BSDR songs that don't pop out as much as "Acid Bird" and the others. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:10:24 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Threadmerge: "Helicopter" Ben vs. *Apocalypse Now* Making Flippy Floppy (Dance Mix) - Talking Heads On 08/10/2008, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > speaking of feg DJs (and nice job on the retrospective, jonesie! -- > although you neglected to give the source for "Astronomy"): what was the > first song y'all ever played on the air? if ever i were to free up enough > time to be able to take to the airwaves, i think i'd have to go with "Lick > My Doberman's Dick". - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:11:04 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I'll add "The Lizard" as one of my favorite BSDR songs that don't pop out as much as "Acid Bird" and the others. > I love "The Lizard". (Well, and every other song on BSDR also -- I'm slightly less in awe of BSDR now that I've listened to most of the rest of Robyn's catalog -- but for a long adolescent time I thought of it as the greatest album ever.) What do you think about this: my initial reaction to hearing "Child of the Universe" was to think, it's a danceable "The Lizard" -- does that make any sense? descended from someone other than the apes, J - -- If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Jose Saramgo http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:17:26 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Miles Goosens Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:58 PM To: fegmaniax Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: >Subject: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) Gmail thwarter! >> Michael "I still regard the RH canon as perhaps as deep as Dylan's or >> Costello's... >I'd take Robyn over Costello every day of the week and twice on Sunday. And that's not even a knock on Costello. >OK, it's sort of a knock on post-KING OF AMERICA Costello, but Costello is a man who has made many splendid albums, >so me saying that is hardly to be taken lightly. Or at least no more lightly than anything else I say. I'll give Costello the edge in 1982 (Imperial Bedroom over Groovy D). I suppose someone could argue that the combined strength of KING OF AMERICA and BLOOD & CHOCOLATE edge out EOL in 1986. 1979 might be a toss-up, otherwise it's Robyn all the way for me. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:27:36 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: The "Eye" debate... Miles says: > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 1:50 AM, (0% rh) wrote: > >> there was at a year or two when we would drive, and drink way too much >> coffee, watch the clarence thomas hearings, and make fun of "deep" by >> peter murphy. > > > While I can see making fun of DEEP by Peter Murphy, because, well, it's > Peter Murphy and full of DRAMA! and MEANING!, I think that's one kick-ass > album anyway. oh, i agree -- i didn't mean to imply that i don't like it. but, seriously - it would take a power far greater than my opinion to stop that album from being ridiculous. > "Cuts You Up" and "Strange Kind of Love" still floor me > every time, back-to-back contenders for Best. Song. Ever. i haven't played it in quite awhile, but ISTR liking most of the song. i love "cuts you up." and it's really cool how "roll call" sometimes seems like it's the only song on the album (i think sometimes it keep on playing even after the album is over.) one of the songs we called "the antonym song" - i can't recall which song it was, but you can probably figure it out. it was about love and hate and dark and light and other stuff and also stuff that was not that other stuff. BTW, i don't know if i chimed in on first CD purchases, but mine was "deep". i think it was the first album i wanted to buy that wasn't being released on vinyl. so i ended up buying the cd, and then had to go buy a CD player to go with it. > There goes all my cred, and I haven't even mentioned how much I like Kylie > yet. Ooops, did I say that out loud? kylie totally rocks. ty adores her. back in my working days, i used to buy him a kylie calendar each year. the Changing Of The Month was a highly-anticipated office event. > The first year of SPIN's existence was 1985, and the magazine rocked back > then, totally kicking ROLLING STONE's increasingly sorry ass. I discovered > a lot of things through it, including Robyn Hitchcock in their dual Katrina > and the Waves / FEGMANIA! review. I loved - and stole the format of for my > college paper - the video review column, and the hilarious back page article > about Albanian music I can still quote to this day. But it got too pleased > with itself too fast, and subsequently tried to cop what I would have then > called an NME attitude, but these days I'd say they'd stuck a Pitchfork in > themselves, because they were the wrong kind of smarmy and I was done. i started buying spin because they knew iggy pop was cool (rolling stone did not.) remember the glory days of spin when every issue ended with their latest position paper on AIDS? ISTR, they were against it. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:29:55 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Master Debaters - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin studyvin Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:03 AM To: 2fs Cc: FSThomas; Eaters of Tripe Subject: Re: Master Debaters >Yr always going to be dealing with segments of the population who believe liberal=stalinist. I was conversing >with an individual at work recently who opined that while Jon Stewart is funny, he's "as far left as you can get." >I was tempted to ask how he felt about Trotsky but we're encouraged to avoid political discussion in the workplace. A couple of the frothing minions at Palin's gatherings have been downright scary with some of their shouts. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/is-palin-trying-to-incite_b_132534.html Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:49:52 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Master Debaters Bachman, Michael wrote: > A couple of the frothing minions at Palin's gatherings have been downright scary with some of their shouts. > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-feldman/is-palin-trying-to-incite_b_132534.html Not anywhere near as scary as this shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy09UpI60F8 Not far off from a German kids program from the 30s and 40s that I read about in school. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:55:56 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Master Debaters On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > A couple of the frothing minions at Palin's gatherings have been downright scary with some of their shouts. Matt Taibbi (fit heir to Hunter Thompson?) wrote after her convention speech that it was "like watching Gidget address the Reichstag": http://www.alternet.org/election08/100551/mad_dog_palin_/?page=entire J - -- If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. -- Jose Saramgo http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:28:21 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > But no one complains that something sounds too Merseybeat clone. No > one complains that something sounds too Glyn Johns > '70s-classic-rock-y. It's always the '80s that get singled out. The '90's are starting to come in for a similar drubbing, and will do so more as the years go on, I think. And often deservedly so. And there are a lot of people who still shit on the supershiny '70's arena rock sound. (By a lot of people, I may mean "me", but I think there are others.) The crux of your argument is deeply felt here, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:32:25 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: wisdom On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > * Kinks quotes are eternally cool. >> > > Would someone tell this to my friends and family? Starting a list of words to be spread: 1) Kinks quotes = cool. 2) John McCain = not my friend. 3) Let '80's be '80's. Add as needed. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:39:35 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Bachman, Michael < Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com> wrote: > > > I'll give Costello the edge in 1982 (Imperial Bedroom over Groovy D). I > suppose someone could argue that the combined strength of KING OF AMERICA > and BLOOD & CHOCOLATE edge out EOL in 1986 . No combination of anything and anything edges out EOL for anything in almost any year for me. I'm not even quite sure which three Fall albums came out that year in 1986, but they were really good*, and yet I give Robyn the win. I do like and appreciate Costello, but he's not one of "my artists" in the way that RH is. Can't speak to the quantitative better-ness of either artist (and for sure not the important-ness)... but then, who really can? - -Rex *And I think it might even have been "Bend Sinister", which is super awesome. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:54:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Master Debaters On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:16 AM, FSThomas wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > But I fail to see the relevance - surely you're not imagining Obama is any >> sort of socialist? >> > > any further expansion of the Federal Government is going to trend us toward > a socialist system. So: more government = more socialism; therefore, government = socialism. I think I understand now. > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:02:13 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) On 08/10/2008, Rex wrote: > > > I do like and appreciate Costello, but he's not one of "my artists" in the > way that RH is. Can't speak to the quantitative better-ness of either > artist (and for sure not the important-ness)... but then, who really can? > Not me, that's for sure. And they're both *my artists* in that way. But different ways... I often wonder what the future will say about these times... c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:06:11 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) > > I'll add "The Lizard" as one of my favorite BSDR songs that don't pop out > as much as "Acid Bird" and the others. > > > > I love "The Lizard". (Well, and every other song on BSDR also -- I'm > slightly less in awe of BSDR now that I've listened to most of the > rest of Robyn's catalog -- but for a long adolescent time I thought of > it as the greatest album ever.) I second that emotion. I'm heavily emotionally invested in the Rhino Black Snake, deeply into "Lizard," "It was the Night," "City of Shame," and another one nobody mentions, the long, extra-rockin' version of "I Watch the Cars." As a longtime admirer of Vince Ely's playing with the Psychedelic Furs, I was delighted to find him on the Black Snake & got a chuckle out of the bit in the notes where RH talks about how they were sitting around feeling miserable the day John Lennon got shot and Ely sniped, "Why couldn't it have been Richard Butler?" Good times... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:21:21 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Master Debaters > It's come to this at the hands of the Democratically lead Congress. > I don't see how having a teensy easily veto-able majority makes it a "Democratically lead Congress". Unfortunately for my team, those guys aren't squared away enough to do much leading of anything in any case. > > During the debate last night Senator Obama said he felt health care was a > right. I hate to break it to him, but it's not a right. Would suggest he was talking about what's been referenced around here recently as a "moral right" rather than a legal one. My hope (and it's not a huge one, given the public having the attention span of a fruit fly for the most part) is that the present state of affairs just *may* suggest to the citizenry that it isn't in their best interests to go along with the unspoken Republican program of undoing every last vestige of the social-welfare apparatus created by Roosevelt and his heirs, after all... Wallowing in run-on sentences for the last forty years / KS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:36:16 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) > > I do like and appreciate Costello, but he's not one of "my artists" in > the > > way that RH is. Can't speak to the quantitative better-ness of either > > artist (and for sure not the important-ness)... but then, who really can? > > > Not me, that's for sure. > > And they're both *my artists* in that way. But different ways... I often > wonder what the future will say about these times... > Strongly suspect they won't be saying it over the interweb in any case - that plentiful cheap electricity ain't going to be around forever. Last thing I heard from Elvis the C. was My Flame Burns Blue, which the wife picked up because she's a big fan of old-school jazz (and thinks his version of "Funny Valentine" is the best ever). Before that it was Mighty Like a Rose. His stuff was one of those things I kinda lost track of after getting married. Anyone especially recommend anything in the years I've missed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 08:39:32 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: A couple of things about Eye > The '90's are starting to come in for a similar drubbing, and will do so > more as the years go on, I think. And often deservedly so. And there are > a > lot of people who still shit on the supershiny '70's arena rock sound. (By > a lot of people, I may mean "me", but I think there are others.) > When the term "arena rock" comes up all I can think of is Boston, and I instinctively try to kill the brain cells where "More Than a Feeling" is inscribed - no luck so far, though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:42:23 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles on BSDR (I know - I keep changing thread names...) for me, at the dawn of the new wave, elvis c was one of the greats (once i got past his "persona"), along with the Jam and a few others i discovered the SB through Trouser Press- but i wasn't sure whether they could be trusted artistically - but of course came around -especially after seeing Robyn's 2nd ever solo gig at the Venue in London, Summer 1981 elvis began to falter around the time of Punch The Clock and Goodbye Cruel World but gave a spellbound-ing solo mostly acoustic performance they rates with one of my all-time fave concert experiences EC scored a major comeback with KOA (his best, i think) + B&C along with the tour that followed with the "spectacular singing songbook" and the confederates probably surpassed even solo acoustic tour since then it's been a bit of a struggle to follow EC's career - while he remains interesting and challenging - i rarely feel like listening to his albums anymore (after indulging on the awesome Rhino 2CD re-issues) his new albums seem more like perspiration than inspiration RH almost suffered the same fate - the A&M years suffered from 80s production - (as did Fegmania) but when i went to revisit them - i found a lot of great stuff there and RH's WB albums were a true return to form (IMNSHO) and he's still someone that i go out of my way to see unlike costello - except last year when EC played a club date . . and .. um.. opened for Dylan a couple of times so i saw EC more then RH last year i think- - - - but it was an accident ( which happen) RH's all-request shows helped make his shows must-see events - much like those EC 80s shows i mentioned in a recent RH interview Robyn said he was doing all original material this tour - as doing covers was "self-indulgent" i always felt that doing covers was completely UN-self-indulgent - and a lot of fun . .doing a set of only your own songs seems more "self-indulgent" to me my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 10/8/2008 10:43:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, spottedeagleray@gmail.com writes: No combination of anything and anything edges out EOL for anything in almost any year for me. I'm not even quite sure which three Fall albums came out that year in 1986, but they were really good*, and yet I give Robyn the win. I do like and appreciate Costello, but he's not one of "my artists" in the way that RH is. Can't speak to the quantitative better-ness of either artist (and for sure not the important-ness)... but then, who really can? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #739 ********************************