From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #733 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, October 6 2008 Volume 16 : Number 733 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: ["Jason Brown" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: ["(0% rh)" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: ["(0% rh)" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: ["(0% rh)" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: ["(0% rh)" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: [Carrie Galbraith ] And Not To Be Outdone ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: [Rex ] Re: to my dear etews ["Miles Goosens" ] Re: Blog-Post Of The Moment [2fs ] Re: Soft Boys / Robyn Hitchcock special tomorrow AM [Tom Clark ] Re: Blog-Post Of The Moment [2fs ] Re: to my dear etews [2fs ] Re: to my dear etews [Tom Clark ] The Vanguard ["Nectar At Any Cost!" ] Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: [Rex ] family guy [Eleanore Adams ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:04:18 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Rex wrote: > I've seen it bunches, in its many iterations-- does that mean I would like > BSG? I'm unlikely to ever get over the fact that, for not much apparent > reason, it has the same name as the sucky '70's show-- which would matter > less if I hadn't bean a rabid obsessive fan of said sucky show when it was > originally on, and I was 7. I was similarly dismissive of it at first but it makes you forget the old show ever existed. Watch the miniseries and then the first episode of the series '33' and if you aren't hooked you can just stop watching knowing you gave it a fair shot. - -- "IGNORE ME!!!!!!!" - The Grand Galactic Inquisitor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:15:32 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: Jason says: > I was similarly dismissive of it at first but it makes you forget the > old show ever existed. Watch the miniseries and then the first > episode of the series '33' and if you aren't hooked you can just stop > watching knowing you gave it a fair shot. that's good advice. > "IGNORE ME!!!!!!!" - The Grand Galactic Inquisitor ...but really i just posted to say that i object to the tragic loss of your "hippie" signature. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:36:17 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: Rex says: > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:32 PM, (0% rh) wrote: >> >> > For the record, I remain Buffy-agnostic (buffignostic?); >> >> but don't you have to watch it before you get to not care about it? > > Perhaps (I have seen bits and pieces of the show). But sure hope I don't > have to have tried out all the major religions to be a "real" agnostic! i guess i think of agnostic as being about god, and not religion, so i.e. you've seen his work. >> although maybe one's taste BSG can be directly correlated by how many >> times they've watched "bladerunner"?** > > I've seen it bunches, in its many iterations-- does that mean I would like > BSG? i'm sure there are lots of reasons why people like the show, but "bladerunner" is my personal short answer. the themes and i guess i would call it "vision" of the two are really similar. ronald d. moore (at the helm of the BSG "re-imagining") freely acknowledges his debt to "bladerunner" (unsurprisingly, moore shows up (like who doesn't?) for a brief interview on the 3-1/2 (!) hour documentary in the recently-released "bladerunner" box(ed?) set, "dangerous days: the making of bladerunner".) he even steals the phrase "skin-jobs" (used first in "bladerunner") for the cylons. > I'm unlikely to ever get over the fact that, for not much apparent > reason, it has the same name as the sucky '70's show-- which would matter > less if I hadn't bean a rabid obsessive fan of said sucky show when it was > originally on, and I was 7. young man, perhaps it time to bury your past. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:46:59 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: Miles says: > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:32 AM, (0% rh) wrote: >> since i'm not likely to give "famiily guy" a try, i'll have to wait >> until eddie weighs in on BSG. to a certain extent, i share his >> opinion on "buffy" (we seem to differ more on how willing we are to >> part with our time.) a lot of what attracts to stories is whether >> they manage to get to the truth of the matter (which admittedly seems >> kind of stupid, being how there's all of non-fiction to handle "the >> truth" and such.) and "buffy", for me, is way more story than truth. >> this didn't occur to me until after i had bought the box(ed?) "buffy" >> dvd set, and noticed that it had gone unwatched for months. > > I'll buy that BSG is in some ways a more grounded show - I keep > telling the folks in my life who automatically pooh-pooh anything > science fiction that it's more like HOMICIDE than anything else, what > with the documentary-style way it's shot, the show's very very analog > look, and the relentless focus on the characters above all else. But > BUFFY seemed to me to be equally as deft about its characters, > especially as time went on. i agree about the "buffy" characters - it's really why i do like the show as much as i do. well, that, and giles. the best way i can describe the way in which BSG is important is to me is that the show, for me, is ultimately about god**. i'm quite sure that how that sounds isn't how i would like it to sound. >> although maybe one's taste BSG can be directly correlated by how many >> times they've watched "bladerunner"?** > > I'm thinking my count is at 4 or 5, which is a lot for me. I think > the movie's great; I'm just never going to be one of those people who > can watch the same movie, however great it is, over and over and over > and over. 4 or 5 is a lot for someone who doesn't watch movies over and over, isn't it? xo ** and while i'm here, i might as well confess that mathematics is, too. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:03:41 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: i say: > the best way i can describe the way in which BSG is important is to me > is that the show, for me, is ultimately about god**. just a note that this isn't some kind of "i miss my mommy!" change of heart for me on the god front (not that it's unrelated to my mom - i may be feeling less likely these days to bother my usual avoidance of talking about god in public.) (one unexpected change re: my mom is that i find a bit of a problem with the term "died" when i talk about my mom. i actually find myself using the term "passed." this before always seemed like sort of a euphemism, but, what with the object lesson and all, the term "died" seems final in a way that is not only kind of unpleasant, but, for all i know**, may not even be the case.) as ever, lauren ** i.e.: not much. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:32:34 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: On Oct 5, 2008, at 12:46 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > > i agree about the "buffy" characters - it's really why i do like the > show as much as i do. well, that, and giles. > I am a latecomer to Buffy and the Whedonverse but I fell for all of his work exactly because of the characters. Since I started with Firefly and went to Buffy later, I feel I started with the most developed characters and then went to his "early" work. Yeah, and I agree - Giles. And Angel. > >>> although maybe one's taste BSG can be directly correlated by how >>> many >>> times they've watched "bladerunner"?** >> >> I'm thinking my count is at 4 or 5, which is a lot for me. I think >> the movie's great; I'm just never going to be one of those people who >> can watch the same movie, however great it is, over and over and over >> and over. > > 4 or 5 is a lot for someone who doesn't watch movies over and over, > isn't it? > Bladerunner, and to a lesser extent, Apocalypse Now, were the background films to my undergraduate art school years (were talking 80s here folks). Literally. The rolled on my roommate's vcr every night while I worked in my makeshift studio/dining room. I've seen Bladerunner 100s of times. And read the book. And have the special 5 versions + mini features set. It is, for me, one of the top 10 films of all time. (Of course I've been told I was pretty angry in art school - I'm sure there is no correlation). Now all my friends tell me to watch BSG but somehow, I just have no interest. I actually haven't a clue what it is about and since I stopped owning a television in 1974, I don't even have a reference to a former show by the same title*. Just not on the radar. Take my eyes I've used them, - - c *I also don't know Family Guy, have never seen The Simpson's or Southpark and am pretty sure I'd not be a fan of the Sopranos. "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. " - - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:07:16 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: Blog-Post Of The Moment or, i dare say, of the year. . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:34:58 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: And Not To Be Outdone op-ed of the moment = . is cockburn even syndicated, still? the *Seattle Times* stopped carrying him years ago. oh, and "Joe Sixpack" content. speaking of which, wikipedia lists >>Joe Blow, John Doe, Jane Doe, John Q. Public, Joe Schmoe, Joe Sixpack, John Smith, Eddie Punchclock (for blue-collar workers), Joe Benotz, Joe Botts (particularly in New York City), J. S. Ragman (U. S. Navy), Vinnie Boombotz (particularly in New York City), Joe Random, Mr. Cardholder, I. M. Marine (U.S. Marine Corps)<< as common variants of "john doe". can any o' you new yorkers verify "vinnie boombotz"? and, more importantly, any o' you west-coasters want to help me spread it around out here??? KEN "Substitution! Mass Confusion!" THE KENSTER ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:54:13 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Rex wrote: > I've seen it bunches, in its many iterations-- does that mean I would like > BSG? I'm unlikely to ever get over the fact that, for not much apparent > reason, it has the same name as the sucky '70's show-- which would matter > less if I hadn't bean a rabid obsessive fan of said sucky show when it was > originally on, and I was 7. (And now that I think of it, really, my inital > block against both BSG and Buffy has to do with their titles, which is also > why I've never gotten into Built to Spill. Hmm.) Rex, Rex, I don't know if you remember my own stories about how I just got over it and came around to both BUFFYdom and BSG, but I said no to both shows for years for all the same reasons. I was there. I was you. But I saw the light. And Jason is spot on: If the BSG pilot and first series episode ("33" pretty much defines "in medias re" and is one of the most relentless, great hours of TV I've ever seen) don't grab you, yeah, we won't bug you any more. At least I won't. BUFFY, like B5, requires some slogging through an uneven first season to get to the really good stuff, but s1 of BUFFY still has many pleasures and is an abbreviated season, so you'll get to prime material quickly. I do worry that the choir here is actually making you less likely to give 'em a shot, and I say that only because peer pressure works that way on me. I'm getting better about being able to figure out when the choir might be right, though. For analogy's sake, let me recommend this MySpace blog entry by Local H's Scott Lucas on how he fought liking Radiohead out of pride, but has now completely recanted: http://tinyurl.com/3zaos6 Yes, he does need someone to buy him an Enter key for Christmas. (New band name: We've Got an Enter Key and We're Not Gonna Use It.) But the story has a happy ending, one I wish for you and BSG and BUFFY. (I haven't come around on Built to Spill, but I did actually buy a CD or two.) And Carrie: APOCALYPSE NOW is one of my top 5 movies, sometimes as high as #2 depending on my mood. And I am here to tell you, if I stumble across this movie on TV at any point during the film - five minutes in or three hours in - I still have to watch it the rest of the way. I can't tear myself away. (BTW, I strongly, strongly prefer the original cut of APOCALYPSE NOW.) later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:59:21 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:46 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > Miles says: >> I'm thinking my count is at 4 or 5, which is a lot for me. I think >> the movie's great; I'm just never going to be one of those people who >> can watch the same movie, however great it is, over and over and over >> and over. > > 4 or 5 is a lot for someone who doesn't watch movies over and over, isn't it? Yes, totally. So yeah, that's high praise for BLADERUNNER. I rarely see any movie more than once. Sometimes even movies I love I've only seen twice. Last year I watched DOWN BY LAW for the first time since I saw it at Vandy's Sarratt Cinema as the late late movie in... 1990, maybe? A grad school friend told me I'd love it and urged me to go with her, even though being out that late has never been my bag (something I have to overcome for practically any club show - headliners here rarely go on before 10 or 11, so we're talking getting home at 1 or 2 AM). She was 100% right, I thought it was hilarious and brilliant... and somehow never watched it again for 17 years. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:12:05 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: And Not To Be Outdone On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > > as common variants of "john doe". can any o' you new yorkers verify > "vinnie boombotz"? I know that name as Rodney Dangerfield's doctor in his stand up act. Oddly, though, I though it was something like "Doctor Viddiboomba", a riff on how many US doctors are of Indian descent. It makes much more sense to me now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:17:09 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:36 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > > > > I'm unlikely to ever get over the fact that, for not much apparent > > reason, it has the same name as the sucky '70's show-- which would matter > > less if I hadn't bean a rabid obsessive fan of said sucky show when it > was > > originally on, and I was 7. > > young man, perhaps it time to bury your past. It wasn't me who dug it up, though. Anyone's free to invent their own new SF show and *not* name it "The Starlost" or "Quark" or "Space 1999", is all I'm saying. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:17:37 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: to my dear etews On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Eddie wrote:" ha ha! but, can an alaskan truly be a "cracker"?" > > Yes, it's a state of mind, not a geographical demographic. I remember a grad school classmate from upstate NY assuring me that he grew up with rednecks worse than anything he saw here in Tennessee - complete with the Confederate battle flag on the back window of the Trans Am. later, Miles - -- now with blogspot retsin! http://readingpronunciation.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:36:37 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Blog-Post Of The Moment On 10/5/08, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > or, i dare say, of the year. > . > Unfortunately, I went and followed the link to the "piece of shit" referenced in the article. I cannot believe that people actually think bigoted asswipes like Michael Savage are worth anything but enough pity to shove in front of a rapidly moving bus. I think both he and Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church, home of "God Hates Fags" etc.) are just desperately dying to get fucked up the ass - given Savage's repeated references to bestiality, in his case by a donkey, and as for Phelps, I have no idea what his fantasy is but clearly it's way more warped than anything I could imagine. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:36:10 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Soft Boys / Robyn Hitchcock special tomorrow AM On Oct 5, 2008, at 6:37 AM, JBJ wrote: > Hi Fegs - > > Tomorrow's the day! I've been working on this thing for awhile now, > and I hope you enjoy it. > > Soft Boys / Robyn Hitchcock retrospective on KBOO-FM > Monday, October 6th > 3 to 5:30am (Pacific Time) > 90.7fm if you live in Portland or Corvallis (both in Oregon) > http://www.kboo.fm everywhere else I'm set up to capture the stream. I'll make it available if that's ok with John. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:37:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Blog-Post Of The Moment On 10/5/08, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > or, i dare say, of the year. > . > Unfortunately, I went and followed the link to the "piece of shit" referenced in the article. I cannot believe that people actually think bigoted asswipes like Michael Savage are worth anything but enough pity to shove in front of a rapidly moving bus. I think both he and Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church, home of "God Hates Fags" etc.) are just desperately dying to get fucked up the ass - given Savage's repeated references to bestiality, in his case by a donkey, and as for Phelps, I have no idea what his fantasy is but clearly it's way more warped than anything I could imagine. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:36:37 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Blog-Post Of The Moment On 10/5/08, Nectar At Any Cost! wrote: > > or, i dare say, of the year. > . > Unfortunately, I went and followed the link to the "piece of shit" referenced in the article. I cannot believe that people actually think bigoted asswipes like Michael Savage are worth anything but enough pity to shove in front of a rapidly moving bus. I think both he and Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church, home of "God Hates Fags" etc.) are just desperately dying to get fucked up the ass - given Savage's repeated references to bestiality, in his case by a donkey, and as for Phelps, I have no idea what his fantasy is but clearly it's way more warped than anything I could imagine. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:39:51 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: to my dear etews On 10/5/08, Miles Goosens wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > > Eddie wrote:" ha ha! but, can an alaskan truly be a "cracker"?" > > > > Yes, it's a state of mind, not a geographical demographic. > > > I remember a grad school classmate from upstate NY assuring me that he > grew up with rednecks worse than anything he saw here in Tennessee - > complete with the Confederate battle flag on the back window of the > Trans Am. Yeah, WTF is it with that flag? I mean, I'm pretty sure that most of the folks displaying it in various ways around here (usually on their pickup trucks) are not actually of southern descent...I think they think it just stands for something they might call "redneck pride" - which, so far as I can tell, means you're proud to stand up boldly in your ignorance and refuse ever to learn anything if it might cause you to question what you already believe. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:21:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: to my dear etews On Oct 5, 2008, at 5:39 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 10/5/08, Miles Goosens wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Jill Brand wrote: >>> Eddie wrote:" ha ha! but, can an alaskan truly be a "cracker"?" >>> >>> Yes, it's a state of mind, not a geographical demographic. >> >> >> I remember a grad school classmate from upstate NY assuring me that >> he >> grew up with rednecks worse than anything he saw here in Tennessee - >> complete with the Confederate battle flag on the back window of the >> Trans Am. > Lots of that behavior in CT also. > > Yeah, WTF is it with that flag? I mean, I'm pretty sure that most of > the > folks displaying it in various ways around here (usually on their > pickup > trucks) are not actually of southern descent...I think they think it > just > stands for something they might call "redneck pride" - which, so far > as I > can tell, means you're proud to stand up boldly in your ignorance > and refuse > ever to learn anything if it might cause you to question what you > already > believe. > There you go with that fag talk again. Why do you hate Amerka? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:46:59 -0700 From: "Nectar At Any Cost!" Subject: The Vanguard next year at this time, i won't even be under *forty*. fuck. well, if a certain *someone* had not invited me to a join up a certain *irresistably awesome* movie tracker, i wouldn't now have a good fourteen-and-two-thirds liters' worth of unwatched discs sitting here mercilessly taunting my dimpled ass (nor, surely, would my hard drive currently house another good eight or so liters' worth of unburned cine impatiently queueing itself away). not to mention a good seventy on-suspended-hold titles waiting for me in the library system's entrails. my goal is to watch them all before the electricital grid joops out for once and for all. how/where the fuck do people find the time? (actually, i think i know: you're all fucking speed-readers; while i'm the slowest reader god ever made -- yet can't bring myself to abandon the practice.) what about those who, though not caring for it, 've sat through *Blade Runner* many times, in its many different guises, in deference to a friend who continues to insist that it's "the finest feature film" ever made? (i'll allow that when i saw it on the big screen, i was pretty blown away by the visuals. still don't care for the film as a whole, i'm afraid.) bonus points bestowed upon whomsoever can detect the two coen bros. references in this post. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:43:03 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: *Family Guy* Haters Know This: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > > BUFFY, like B5, requires some slogging through an uneven first season > to get to the really good stuff, but s1 of BUFFY still has many > pleasures and is an abbreviated season, so you'll get to prime > material quickly. > > I do worry that the choir here is actually making you less likely to > give 'em a shot, and I say that only because peer pressure works that > way on me. I'm getting better about being able to figure out when the > choir might be right, though. I guess I sometimes forget that certain things aren't self-evident or at best underexplained (or poorly explained) by myself. The choir does no damage to the cause at all-- in point of fact, the continued discussion of these shows by a bunch of people I like and respect keeps them in my mental queue of "things of which to partake of when I get the time / in my dotage (those two things being basically the same at this point in my life)." Basically, and I think you'd hear something more or less similar from anyone raising three kids aged 5-10-- at least I've heard it from lots of them, and from people who have gone through such periods-- I don't have time to do much. My parents have more of a social life than I do-- I've seen it. So with the undeniable reality laid out before me that I wasn't gonna be able to view/listen/read as much as I used to, I decided to at least try to own the situation by making some considered decisions about what art 'n' entertainment I was going to ingest. It had to be pruned pretty drastically, and since I made these calls around the time when I was getting divorced from a pretty unappealingly dedicated couch potato/channel surfer, I cut out TV entirely (it helped that I couldn't afford cable anyway at that point). That cut down on the white-noise in my life substantially. I knew and know that there is great TV happening right now, but something had to go, and the medium with the most outrageously obtrusive advertising content was first on the list. I started reading again at roughly the same time, albeit at a slower pace than ever before, and I've fine-tuned my general media input with a fair amount of self-consciousness ever since. Musically, and this has a lot to do with deciding to remain musically active myself, I immersed myself mostly in older artists I'd missed the first time around, via the incredibly economically undemanding blogosphere, and have ended up mostly cutting out new artists over the past year on my way to the current Fall-only era. Of course I've recently had to sell all my physical media anyway, so at this point my downloaded rips of Rain Parade vinyl are as real a part of my collection as the Talking Heads records I bought in 1987. When I sorted out the DVD's, I kept the stuff the kids liked and pitched all the rest. When I got married again, I started tuning into a range of stuff that's of mutual interest to myself and my wife-- mostly Netflix, really-- and, while there are a few things I'd like to see that she wouldn't, I generally pass on them because I'd rather hang out with my wife watching something okay-ish than hang out in the other room getting my full-bore geek on. Such have become my priorities. We do have cable in our household, but it is basically monopolized by the step-daughter's Disney Channel needs, and when that gets turned off, I'm happy for the whole machine to remain that way (our recent news and Daily Show/Colbert Report binges notwithstanding). It has seemed that, over that time, pop- and hipster-culture have parted ways with my own interests and preferences even more than evar before, but even I can say that that may well be a function of my own drift into feeling like there's not much point in trying to keep up since I can't. You could render this sentiment as something along the lines of "you kids get off my lawn" and I wouldn't argue it too much. Point being, I'm just way outside of being "culturally engaged" right now, and for the foreseeable future, so the best I can do is collect signposts from trustworthy sources such as your fine selves as to what might be worth going back and investigating some day. If I poke fun at the obsessiveness every once in a while, it's probably jealousy, because, hey, I don't listen to any music besides the Fall, so who could possibly take that seriously? It's moderately depressing, but it just seems like most stuff isn't that good-- and in all likelihood that's been the case all along, meaning, law of averages being what it is, I've wasted a lot of time on mediocre stuff already. Whoops! > For analogy's sake, let me recommend > this MySpace blog entry by Local H's Scott Lucas on how he fought > liking Radiohead out of pride, but has now completely recanted: > And to finish this off by rendering myself a complete cliche, I'll just say that I really never have cared much for Radiohead. I honestly don't think it has much to do with pride, exactly; they just didn't impress me much to begin with and have sort of spent fifteen years or so rubbing me the wrong way. - -Rex, not having done one of these in a while, and swearing not to do another any time soon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:08:04 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: family guy ok, I used to hate Family Guy, but then, after the first 2 seasons, I got hooked on the Peter Show. and today the show totally Rocked - the first 10 min was all about "the Bird" by the Trashmen. Awesome. ea ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #733 ********************************