From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #715 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, September 20 2008 Volume 16 : Number 715 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jewels, for Sophia [Tom Clark ] Re: wtf [Rex ] Re: Jewels, for Sophia [Rex ] Re: wtf ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: wtf ["Stewart C. Russell" ] The Wit and Wisdom of Bill Cosby! ["Stacked Crooked" ] better than blowing your nose [2fs ] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] REAP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Jewels, for Sophia [michaeljbachman@comcast.net] Re: Rowan [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Rowan [Poem Lover ] Re: Rowan [2fs ] Awww! and FUTC! [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Awww! and FUTC! [2fs ] Re: Rowan ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Rowan ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #714 [James Dignan ] Re: Rowan ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Rowan ["Stewart Russell" ] Re: Awww! and FUTC! [Tom Clark ] Re: Rowan [2fs ] Re: Rowan ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Awww! and FUTC! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:55:10 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Jewels, for Sophia On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Stewart Russell wrote: > 2008/9/19 (0% rh) : >> >> but it's not all fun and games: "i feel beautiful" really annoys me >> (way too hippie) > > Put me down as way too hippie, then. I love that song. Ditto. I think JFS and A Star For Bram represent some of Robyn's best work. Orthogonal and poignant, with the right mix of humor and sincerity. Not to mention lots of instruments and amplification. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:47:52 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: wtf On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > On Fri, 9/19/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > > Like cow, but I suspect Robyn is like Mr Bean's creator. > > > > so how long has this robyn-having-a-middle-thing been going > > on? you all seem QUITE calm about the matter. > > It's just a middle name. We weren't expecting some sort of Spanish > Inquisition. > I dunno-- my foundations are shaken. First the economy collapses, and then this whole Robyn-midldle-name-thing... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:57:13 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Jewels, for Sophia On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:31 AM, (0% rh) wrote: > Jeremy says: > the title song, which is just a beautiful, > > Hitchcock-at-the-top-of-his-form song, the kind of song I'd like to > > have playing on repeat in my coffin; > > > track down some live versions of it. i didn't fully appreciate the > title song until i heard it live. I agree with that. I thought it pretty duff (despite the fact that it has my name in it) until I heard it live with the V3. I think that the repeating four-note figure was the only lead guitar Pete Buck played all night, but he made it count. > The other two I love are "viva sea-tac" and "nasa clapping". I still don't like either of those-- VST will forever strike me as something Robyn had to write on the plane right before the session for lack of other new material. "NASA" is not as bad-- in fact, now that I think of it, it sort of wins just for Robyn's pronunciation of "vegetables", which is right up there with the Beach Boys'. > but it's not all fun and games: "i feel beautiful" really annoys me > (way too hippie), I'm with Stewart... I love it. It's a majorly problematic album overall-- I like a lot of the Star for Bram songs better-- but "Mexican God" is forever, man. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:58:38 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: wtf On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > The berries were frequently fielded as street weapons. What was left, mum > made into repellantly sour jam. You could have made a fine song out of that -- something like, "Rowan tree very pretty, and the rowan flower is sweet, But the fruit of the poor rowan, is impossible to eat." for a chorus, and then flesh it out with verses about kids throwing rowan berries at each other, and maybe witches being hunted out and executed... Set it to a bagpipe accompaniment and it'd be golden! J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:39:34 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: wtf Jeremy Osner wrote: > > Set it to a bagpipe accompaniment and it'd be golden! I would like it put on record that there is never an appropriate time for bagpipes. Ever. Our hamsters used to like rowan berries. They were so cute holding the bright red berry in their paws - of course, with our fixed-focus 110 cameras of the 1970s, we never got good pictures. Only thing wrong was that the berries gave the hamsters the squits, which considering the already high poop/weight ratio of Mesocricetus auratus, was pretty damn alarming. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:16:28 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: The Wit and Wisdom of Bill Cosby! agreed that the robyn/tim live readings are too bitchin'; but... ...wonder if you may be thinking of "Elizabeth Jade" -- the live version of which was always decidedly "kick-ass"; whereas "Jewels", while great, was much more sedate? <"no, i don't remember guildford" would probably be in my top 10, if i kept a top 10.> yes; but however, the *Storefront* version has it all over the *Jewels*. nope -- that would be *Spooked*. . although i was aware of his initials before becoming aware of the middle name; so i always assumed (and/or hoped) that it was "reginald". instead, randi named her teddy-bear "rowan"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:49:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: better than blowing your nose < http://scienceblogs.com/neurotopia/2008/09/screw_the_sudafed_when_your_no.php > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:58:57 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP Hall of Fame drummer Earl Palmer dead at 84 http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Obit-Earl-Palmer.html?_r=1&oref=slogin By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: September 20, 2008 Filed at 1:33 a.m. ET LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Earl Palmer, the session drummer whose pioneering backbeats were recorded on such classics as Little Richard's ''Tutti Frutti'' and The Righteous Brothers' ''You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin','' has died. 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Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:14:58 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rowan Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:15:20 -0400 > From: "Stewart Russell" > Subject: Re: wtf >> Stewart: does the first syllable of "rowan" rhyme with "cow" or with "low"? > Like cow, but I suspect Robyn is like Mr Bean's creator. > Stewart * Gosh! I've always rhymed it with 'low'... - - Mike Godwin, who can't hear anything funny in 'Dark dark dark princess'... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Poem Lover Subject: Re: Rowan Surely it rhymes with "low"? maybe it depends where you're from???? - --- On Sat, 9/20/08, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Rowan To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 2:14 PM Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:15:20 -0400 > From: "Stewart Russell" > Subject: Re: wtf >> Stewart: does the first syllable of "rowan" rhyme with "cow" or with "low"? > Like cow, but I suspect Robyn is like Mr Bean's creator. > Stewart * Gosh! I've always rhymed it with 'low'... - - Mike Godwin, who can't hear anything funny in 'Dark dark dark princess'... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:24:41 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rowan On 9/20/08, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > > - Mike Godwin, who can't hear anything funny in 'Dark dark dark princess > '... > When Lauren posted that bit about "duck, duck, duck princess," I had to laugh: I've always heard it that way too. It occurs to me: do non-Americans have the kids' game "Duck Duck Goose"? Because I think one reason I'm hearing "duck, duck..." is that - I almost expect Robyn to say "goose" at some moment... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Awww! and FUTC! To recap: After my Thinkpad died, and I fried my loaner by installing Service Pack 3, and I got tired of feeding tiny acorns to the tiny squirrels that make my XO laptop run, I finally broke down and bought a MacBook. The black one, with the white apple (bonus - I'm a Jonathan Carroll fan!). I am stumbling along, still at the stage of learning what I don't know I don't know, trying to set up the mail account, when the help screen pops up this text: "Enter a full name, such as Tom Clark, which will be displayed in outgoing messages. Enter an email address, which will be used in the From field when you send messages. For a .Mac account, you must enter your .Mac email address and password." Suddenly, I feel all cozy and looked after! newly minted Mac convert, Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:15:26 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Awww! and FUTC! On 9/20/08, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > > To recap: After my Thinkpad died, and I fried my loaner by installing > Service Pack 3, > and I got tired of feeding tiny acorns to the tiny squirrels that make my > XO laptop run, > I finally broke down and bought a MacBook. The black one, with the white > apple (bonus - > I'm a Jonathan Carroll fan!). I am stumbling along, still at the stage of > learning what > I don't know I don't know, trying to set up the mail account, when the help > screen pops > up this text: > > "Enter a full name, such as Tom Clark, which will be displayed in outgoing > messages. > Enter an email address, which will be used in the From field when you send > messages. For > a .Mac account, you must enter your .Mac email address and password." > > Suddenly, I feel all cozy and looked after! It used to say "such as Peter Buck" - someone, however, was very upset. My laptop is definitely starting to show signs of age...it's not a good time for us to spend money, but when the day comes, yes, I'm going over to the Mac side (again). Ironically, though, I've given up on iTunes for Windows: after trying every damned thing to get vers. 8 to work properly and not stutter during playback even when I'm doing nothing, I went back to Winamp. Found a nifty plugin that allows me to use, uh, someone else's system for streaming audio wirelessly to remote speakers - so I'm all set. Some of Winamp's interface is a bit odd - or maybe I'm just not used to it yet - and one iTunes feature Winamp seems to lack which I miss in my ongoing efforts to add my entire collection is the "view duplicates" feature (I want to save space by not including the same song twice: if it appears on two different albums in the same version, I'll just make a playlist including the other album's version on one of them). On the other hand, Winamp has some features I do like, such as automatically removing references to missing files from its library. Of course, iTunes 8 works fine on my work computer (also WinXP), so it may well be that it's simply become too bloated for my poor old laptop to run. Dunno - and most likely I'll use it again when the laptop is replaced w/a Mac. And I'll still keep it: its file organization features are useful. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:24:57 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rowan Poem Lover wrote: > Surely it rhymes with "low"? maybe it depends where you're from???? For me, it rhymes with Cowan, not Cohen. Definitely regional. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:27:03 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Rowan 2fs wrote: > > It occurs to me: do non-Americans have the kids' game "Duck Duck Goose"? Not where I'm from. Is it anything like "Nip Nap Shite"? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:33:36 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #714 >On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > > 2008/9/19 Jeremy Osner : > >> The rowan tree has been important in Scotland since Celtic times: > > You can tell what were Scottish neighbourhoods - streets with > > alternate trees being rowans. > >Stewart: does the first syllable of "rowan" rhyme with "cow" or with "low"? >J Hell, don't ask Stewart - he doesn't speak English the way normal folk do :) Rowanusually rhymes with low when its a name,but like cow when it's a tree. Not an uncommon name, for either men or women. Popular enough even for an archpagan like Rowan Williams to have it as a name. >It's just a middle name. We weren't expecting some sort of Spanish >Inquisition. Is that the running feet of Michael Palin I hear in the distance? James (about time a good Palin was mentioned in this list. Hm... "The Good Palins"... another band name/) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:04:02 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Rowan The kids sit around in a circle facing inwards, and one of them is "it". That person has to walk around the circle behind them, tapping them on the shoulder one by one and saying "duck". At some point the person who is it will call the person he is tapping "goose" (or "princess") instead of "duck", and then take off running around the circle; the goose/princess has to get up quickly and chase the tagger around the circle until s/he either catches the tagger, or the tagger sits down safe in the goose/princess's vacated spot; at this point the game starts over again with, as the case may be, the new person being "it" or the old tagger still "it". On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > 2fs wrote: >> >> It occurs to me: do non-Americans have the kids' game "Duck Duck Goose"? > > Not where I'm from. Is it anything like "Nip Nap Shite"? > > Stewart > - -- If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:29:15 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Re: Rowan I see. Thanks. Strange to hear "tag" and "it", when I grew up with "tig" and "het". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:35:37 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Awww! and FUTC! I had them put that in there just for you!! - -tc On Sep 20, 2008, at 6:52 AM, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > To recap: After my Thinkpad died, and I fried my loaner by > installing Service Pack 3, > and I got tired of feeding tiny acorns to the tiny squirrels that > make my XO laptop run, > I finally broke down and bought a MacBook. The black one, with the > white apple (bonus - > I'm a Jonathan Carroll fan!). I am stumbling along, still at the > stage of learning what > I don't know I don't know, trying to set up the mail account, when > the help screen pops > up this text: > > "Enter a full name, such as Tom Clark, which will be displayed in > outgoing messages. > Enter an email address, which will be used in the From field when > you send messages. For > a .Mac account, you must enter your .Mac email address and password." > > Suddenly, I feel all cozy and looked after! > > newly minted Mac convert, > Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:18:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Rowan On 9/20/08, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > The kids sit around in a circle facing inwards, and one of them is > "it". That person has to walk around the circle behind them, tapping > them on the shoulder one by one and saying "duck". At some point the > person who is it will call the person he is tapping "goose" (or > "princess") instead of "duck", and then take off running around the > circle; the goose/princess has to get up quickly and chase the tagger > around the circle until s/he either catches the tagger, or the tagger > sits down safe in the goose/princess's vacated spot; at this point the > game starts over again with, as the case may be, the new person being > "it" or the old tagger still "it". And after that, the oral sex! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ...apparently, old Monty Python lines remain leech-like in my memory... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:23:56 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Rowan On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 7:18 PM, 2fs wrote: > > And after that, the oral sex! Sorta goes without saying, right? - -- If we do not say all words, however absurd, we will never say the essential words. http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:09:38 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Awww! and FUTC! - -- djini@voicenet.com is rumored to have mumbled on 20. September 2008 09:52:11 -0400 regarding Awww! and FUTC!: > "Enter a full name, such as Tom Clark, which will be displayed in > outgoing messages. Enter an email address, which will be used in the From > field when you send messages. For a .Mac account, you must enter your > .Mac email address and password." Huh, in German it's Tim Becker. Anyway, AFAIK our Tom Clark has nothing to do with mail, so I'd guess it's a coincidence after all(?) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #715 ********************************