From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #705 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, September 9 2008 Volume 16 : Number 705 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: This might be even better than Jay-Z singing "Wonderwall" [Tom Clark ] Robyn is not in this e-mail ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: This might be even better than Jay-Z singing "Wonderwall" [Rex ] RE: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! ["Miles Goosens" <] Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll [FSThomas ] RE: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: Wigs and rats and Sonny and Terry and John Mayall (aka WHITE BOY LOST IN THE BLUES) ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! [2fs ] Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll [FSThomas Subject: Re: This might be even better than Jay-Z singing "Wonderwall" On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5JBsKih0c I like how Liam pretends to go after the guy well after security had him wrapped up. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:42:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Robyn is not in this e-mail Far be it from me to post random off-topic links. But that said, you guys really ought to watch this animation: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1443 Regards, J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:46:35 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: This might be even better than Jay-Z singing "Wonderwall" On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Sep 8, 2008, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX5JBsKih0c >> > > I like how Liam pretends to go after the guy well after security had him > wrapped up. > > -tc Oasis plays shows? On this continent? Wow. I can't help but think that that somehow relates to McCain's poll numbers. My house is infested with flies. It's a stone cold drag. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:19:38 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! <<...the energy crisis has officially reached the first world. .>> yeah, looks like you're right. california's had load-shedding this year, too. however, from the piece: >>Analysts yesterday expressed concern about the state of the electricity generating infrastructure. It has been described as crumbling and inadequate for 21st-century use and the industry estimates that it will need to spend #100 billion building a new generation of power stations. David Porter, chief executive of the Association of Electricity Producers, said: We are reaching a point where we will have to spend more on infrastructure than has ever been done before in this country.<< ...the same is true in the u.s., of course. huhn, maybe katrina was the official introduction to the first-world of the energy crisis, in the sense that it resulted in a *permanent* reduction of complexity (i.e., lost infrastructure that's not been replaced, displaced people who've not returned). well, not really. . of course, my own personal opinion (i know you've been holding your collective breath) is that we're better off (less-bad, more accurately speaking) if neither party controls both the legislative and executive branches. and as the dems are going to come away with wide majorities in both houses of congress, it's better if mccain wins. he's a doddering old fuck, anyhow. granted, he's more lucid than bush. nevertheless, do you really suppose a mccain/palin administration would be able to do more damage than the second bush/cheney term (which, recall, wasn't able to privatise social security, and wasn't able to blitz iran -- surely, i suppose, its two principal goals for the second term)? besides which, obama's a complete fucking tool. please, do yourself a favour: take all that time and money you're planning to spend on the obama campaign, and spend it on cindy sheehan's instead. *that's* a candidate worth fighting for. briefly (summer has *finally* arrived in seattle, so, just no way to spend much time indoors, sez i), as far as "Barracuda" is concerned, i must totally disagree with the sentiment that an artist has any right to his or her creations once they've been disseminated. (i'm not even thinking of royalties, although, as you know, i'm way opposed to those as well.) if you introduce it to the culture, it *belongs* to the culture. if you wanna be j.d. salinger and keep it to yourself, then, more power to you -- nobody ought break into your house and spread your creations far and wide. but once you've given it to us, you can't take it back. it's ours to interpret, to re-purpose, to critique, to, spindle, and/or to mutilate as we please. this, of course, is precisely what the *artist has done to others' works* in creating a new work. seems to me the republic party gave the wilson sisters a great play, upon which they failed to take advantage. obviously, nobody gives one-fiftieth of one-half of one percent whom the wilson sisters are endorsing (or perceived to be endorsing) for president. but the fact of its becoming a story gave the sisters an opportunity to go all dixie-chicks on the repubs asses, 'til they lamed out. denounced 'em, sure. but not controversially enough. maybe they still could? oh, and FUCK sting. what the FUCK does he give a fuck how somebody interprets his songs? how in the FUCK is that any of his fucking business? that song made him filthy fucking rich, and he's losing sleep because it brought pleasure to people, rather than, what, they were supposed to feel pity for his longing? they were supposed to solemnly bow down and genuflect for his courageous act of catharsis? that sumbitch is a goddam menace...II...society, i tells ya! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:33:40 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: >(Sept. 7) - John McCain has overtaken Barack Obama in the Gallup daily tracking poll and has his highest level of support in that poll since early May.< ...Yeah, but national polls have very little to do with it all, because, of course, it's not (technically) a national race -- it's 50 state races...and I've been doing the Electoral College math (after following it pretty closely all summer), and, by my current figuring -- after former toss-up states MN and IA having recently tilted strongly (with greater than 10 point leads) to Obama - -- all the Dem ticket needs (considering, of course, that they can hold their leading East Coast / West Coast / Upper Midwest base) is to win over any two of current toss-ups MO, MI, OH, and / or a combo of VA and any one of the smaller toss-up states (CO / NV / NH). And that's not even counting the still-toss-up state of FL (which, by itself, could put Obama-Biden over the top). McCain is still behind and almost needs an OH / FL / MI / MO sweep (plus one of the smaller ones) to even get close to the winning 270 total. My call -- popular vote total fairly close (perhaps very close)...but Electoral College votes a 30 (or even up to 50 or 70) point victory for Obama-Biden. (and thank Cthulu for that...) Michael "Shameless plug below" Sweeney Now Available: Part 2 of my "Intro to IL Politicians" post on The Stonecipher Report; if you haven't seen it yet, kindly check it out here: http://stonecipher.typepad.com/the_stonecipher_report/2008/09/beyond-obama-an .html _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 06:36:16 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll On 9/9/08, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: >(Sept. 7) - John McCain has overtaken Barack > Obama > in the Gallup daily tracking poll and has his highest level of support in > that > poll since early May.< > ...Yeah, but national polls have very little to do with it all, because, > of > course, it's not (technically) a national race -- it's 50 state races...and > I've been doing the Electoral College math (after following it pretty > closely > all summer), and, by my current figuring -- after former toss-up states MN > and > IA having recently tilted strongly (with greater than 10 point leads) to > Obama > -- all the Dem ticket needs (considering, of course, that they can hold > their > leading East Coast / West Coast / Upper Midwest base) is to win over any > two > of current toss-ups MO, MI, OH, and / or a combo of VA and any one of the > smaller toss-up states (CO / NV / NH). > Plus, it's early days yet - and the Republicans are currently benefiting from sheer publicity as the shiny object known as "Sarah Palin" continues to fascinate the birdheaded public. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:38:14 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll Michigan normally would be solidly in the Obama camp already, but a large number of working class white swing votes are at play due to the economy and the "soon to be serving time in jail" former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Obama was in Michigan yesterday, and will no doubt be returning many times in the next few months. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweeney Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:34 AM To: fegs Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: >(Sept. 7) - John McCain has overtaken Barack Obama in the Gallup daily tracking poll and has his highest level of support in that poll since early May.< ...Yeah, but national polls have very little to do with it all, because, of course, it's not (technically) a national race -- it's 50 state races...and I've been doing the Electoral College math (after following it pretty closely all summer), and, by my current figuring -- after former toss-up states MN and IA having recently tilted strongly (with greater than 10 point leads) to Obama - -- all the Dem ticket needs (considering, of course, that they can hold their leading East Coast / West Coast / Upper Midwest base) is to win over any two of current toss-ups MO, MI, OH, and / or a combo of VA and any one of the smaller toss-up states (CO / NV / NH). And that's not even counting the still-toss-up state of FL (which, by itself, could put Obama-Biden over the top). McCain is still behind and almost needs an OH / FL / MI / MO sweep (plus one of the smaller ones) to even get close to the winning 270 total. My call -- popular vote total fairly close (perhaps very close)...but Electoral College votes a 30 (or even up to 50 or 70) point victory for Obama-Biden. (and thank Cthulu for that...) Michael "Shameless plug below" Sweeney Now Available: Part 2 of my "Intro to IL Politicians" post on The Stonecipher Report; if you haven't seen it yet, kindly check it out here: http://stonecipher.typepad.com/the_stonecipher_report/2008/09/beyond-obama-an .html _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:52:43 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Bachman, Michael < Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com> wrote: > Michigan normally would be solidly in the Obama camp already, but a large > number of working class white swing votes are at play due to the economy and > the "soon to be serving time in jail" former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. > Right. Because race has nothing whatsoever to do with this election. I'm sure that any time a white politician has legal troubles, it'll reflect on McCain negatively. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 08:39:47 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > oh, and FUCK sting. what the FUCK does he give a fuck how somebody > interprets his songs? how in the FUCK is that any of his fucking business? > that song made him filthy fucking rich, and he's losing sleep because it > brought pleasure to people, rather than, what, they were supposed to feel > pity for his longing? they were supposed to solemnly bow down and > genuflect for his courageous act of catharsis? that sumbitch is a goddam > menace...II...society, i tells ya! While the last sentence makes me chuckle, and I'm not often found disagreeing with someone denouncing Sting (hey, I had a letter published in Rolling Stone where I did so - I accidentally threw out that issue three moves ago, so if anyone has the RS with the Seinfeld cast in leather on the cover, hook me up)... ...it's totally legit for him to complain/point out that people are so dumb or inattentive that they're missing the point. I give him mad props for saying from the start that it was an 'evil song about domination and surveillance" instead of taking the happy-dappy "oh, the masses love it, and it's their song now, whatever they think is fine," etc. Seems like the '80s had a number of frustratingly misinterpreted hit songs... in the "you think THIS is a gooey love song?" category, "Every Breath You Take," "The One I Love," and "Under the Milky Way" come to mind right away (though it would have been nice for Robyn's pocketbook if I could add "52 Stations" to this list). It's like with the folks who think "Born in the USA" is a patriotic anthem... can you not be bothered to actually *listen* to the song you purportedly love? my signature line wasn't "if a million people think a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing" for nothin', Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:54:56 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll 2fs wrote: > Plus, it's early days yet - and the Republicans are currently benefiting > from sheer publicity as the shiny object known as "Sarah Palin" continues to > fascinate the birdheaded public. And how different is that than shiny object known as "Barack Obama"? > Right. Because race has nothing whatsoever to do with this election. It shouldn't. It seems to matter about as much as gender. No matter which side wins in November they're writing their own little bit of history. > I'm sure that any time a white politician has legal troubles, it'll reflect > on McCain negatively. How was Kilpatrick /not/ a d-bag of the first order? I'm guessing five years out of prison he'll pull a Marion Barry and run again and (quite possibly) get re-elected. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:13:16 -0400 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: Breaking news, possibly soon a REAP? CNBC just flashed up that Kim Jong-il has suffered a stoke. Can't find confirmation either on their website or other news outlets, and they've been busy talking about economic issues so they haven't actually done an in-person report, but if true this is big news. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:21:40 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > "Every Breath You Take," "The One I Love," and "Under the Milky Way" Sorry to be dense but what is the point of "The One I Love"? I never liked that song much so did not listen to it attentively enough to figure if it was anything other than a gooey love song. It was in very heavy rotation when I was a freshman at college and it made me tune out REM for a couple of years after. J (Thinking about what Robyn songs would make appropriate weird choices for a wedding reception dance -- "Executioner" anybody?) - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:27:02 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: >> "Every Breath You Take," "The One I Love," and "Under the Milky Way" > > Sorry to be dense but what is the point of "The One I Love"? I never > liked that song much so did not listen to it attentively enough to > figure if it was anything other than a gooey love song. It was in very > heavy rotation when I was a freshman at college and it made me tune > out REM for a couple of years after. Holy cow, dude. I've always liked the song, in large part because (1) it sounds great, (2) appealing minimalism to the lyrics, and, more to our point, (3) the nasty surprise lurking inside the third line of each verse. And without further ado, the verses: This one goes out to the one I love This one goes out to the one I've left behind A simple prop to occupy my time This one goes out to the one I love This one goes out to the one I love This one goes out to the one I've left behind Another prop has occupied my time This one goes out to the one I love later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:39:17 -0500 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:02 PM, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > >> but she's a great speaker - very appealing > > She's glib, and self-satisfied in the way that a lot of fundies are. > Lincoln and King were great speakers. Palin not so much, except when judged > by a much lower standard. Mike Huckabee is perhaps scarier because he comes across (at least on talk shows) as... funny, relatable, appealing. And it's *me* thinking that! While I'm responding to a post of Steve Schiavo's... my correspondence has been so sketchy the last couple of years that I can't remember what I said or didn't say to Feg, but the waning summer and me wearing my Rangers hat to do yardwork makes me think of one of my fondest memories of last summer: spending an afternoon at the Ballpark at Arlington with Steve. The man was a superemely generous host and was great company. He even sent me off with a copy of the then-yet-to-be-released-on-hard-copy CHALLENGERS. It was a great time, and I truly hope we cross paths again. C'mon up to to Nashville sometime! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:27 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of FSThomas Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:55 AM To: fegs Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll 2fs wrote: >> Plus, it's early days yet - and the Republicans are currently >> benefiting from sheer publicity as the shiny object known as "Sarah >> Palin" continues to fascinate the birdheaded public. >And how different is that than shiny object known as "Barack Obama"? >> Right. Because race has nothing whatsoever to do with this election. >It shouldn't. It seems to matter about as much as gender. >No matter which side wins in November they're writing their own little bit of history. >> I'm sure that any time a white politician has legal troubles, it'll reflect on McCain negatively. >How was Kilpatrick /not/ a d-bag of the first order? >I'm guessing five years out of prison he'll pull a Marion Barry and run again and (quite possibly) get re-elected. He goes to the big house later this month, and will be out by the end of January 2009. He can run for office after his 5 year probation is over in 2014, but I'm thinking he probably wouldn't survive a primary. His mom, Caroline Cheeks-Kilpatrick, barely survived in her bid for returning to Congress last month. Michael B. NP The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! On Tue, 9/9/08, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Miles Goosens wrote: > > "Every Breath You Take," "The One I > Love," and "Under the Milky Way" > > Sorry to be dense but what is the point of "The One I > Love"? Just another "thanks for letting me park my cock in of your relevant orafices but could you please now go away because you're annoying me" song. I never > liked that song much so did not listen to it attentively > enough to > figure if it was anything other than a gooey love song. It > was in very > heavy rotation when I was a freshman at college and it made > me tune > out REM for a couple of years after. > > J > > (Thinking about what Robyn songs would make appropriate > weird choices > for a wedding reception dance -- "Executioner" > anybody?) > > -- > READIN 2.0 > http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:39:53 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Fwd: [RobynHitchcockClub] Just Add Cones hi feglist, i asked for scott's permission to cross-post this. so here you have it. the dvd with only four songs has a really lovely performance of "serpent at the gates of eden". xo - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:24 PM Subject: [RobynHitchcockClub] Just Add Cones To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com FYI - http://just-add-cones.blogspot.com/2008/09/jon-brion-show.html http://just-add-cones.blogspot.com/search?q=Robyn - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:25:33 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Wigs and rats Hey there, any blues afficionados out there who want to help me understand a Lightnin' Hopkins lyric? Over here: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1444 J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 15:58:41 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Wigs and rats and Sonny and Terry and John Mayall (aka WHITE BOY LOST IN THE BLUES) On a semi-related Lightnin' note, here is one of my favorite songs that mentions Lightnin' Hopkins. WHITE BOY LOST IN THE BLUES (Sonny Terry - vocal) You bought you a six string Gibson You bought you a great big house You try to sing like Muddy Waters And play like Lightnin' sounds But since I blowed my harp You feelin' mean and confused. It got you chained to your earphones, You just a white boy, lost in the blues. I'm gonna play my harp, now!! (Sonny Terry - Harp riffs) (Brownie McGee - vocal) You got your 44 Desoto Great big horns that toots, 44 bad buttons on your every-day suit, But since I bent mah strings You been feelin' mean and confused It got you chained to your earphones, You just a white boy, lost in the blues. I'm gonna try to bend 'em for you now! (Brownie McGee - Guitar riffs) (John Mayall - vocal) I got my home on the hillside Never feel the cold Got my loving woman And the bluuuues in my soul Since I heard you cooking I been really mean and confused It got me chained to my headphones White boy, lost in the blues... (Brownie McGee - vocal) Yeah, I can see yer lost in the blues -- go ahead and do your thing, baby.... (John Mayall - Guitar riffs) (Sonny Terry - Harp riffs, Brownie McGee - vocal) Yes, yes.... (Sonny Terry - vocal) It's got you chained to your earphones Yer jes' a white boy, lost in the blues... (John Mayall - vocal) It's got me chained to my earphones A white boy, lost in the blues... (Sonny Terry, Brownie McGee - vocals) It's got you chained to your earphones, A white boy, lost in the blues! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:41:06 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll On 9/9/08, FSThomas wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > Plus, it's early days yet - and the Republicans are currently benefiting >> from sheer publicity as the shiny object known as "Sarah Palin" continues >> to >> fascinate the birdheaded public. >> > > And how different is that than shiny object known as "Barack Obama"? Right-Wing Talking Point #378. But: < http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/2/1613/27485/447/581295> should take care of that. To suggest that Palin's (in)experience is comparable to Obama's is nonsensical. > Right. Because race has nothing whatsoever to do with this election. > > It shouldn't. It seems to matter about as much as gender. No matter which > side wins in November they're writing their own little bit of history. Agreed, it shouldn't - but the Republican effort to paint Obama as "different," "not known," even "elitist," all hinge on race in the sense that they ask white voters to look at Obama, look in the mirror, and pay attention to the differences. Regardless of ideological differences, I'm sick of the way Republicans stigmatize difference as un-Americanness, and the way they stoke voter resentment (particularly, white working- or lower-middle-class voter resentment). > I'm sure that any time a white politician has legal troubles, it'll > reflect > > on McCain negatively. > > How was Kilpatrick /not/ a d-bag of the first order? That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Kirkpatrick has fuckall to do with Obama except they're both black. Kirkpatrick's troubles are irrelevant to Obama - just as, say, Larry Craig's troubles are irrelevant to McCain. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:45:02 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wonder-Eb Powers Activate: Form Of...An ASS-RIFLE! On 9/9/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > On Tue, 9/9/08, Jeremy Osner wrote: > > Miles Goosens wrote: > > > "Every Breath You Take," "The One I > > Love," and "Under the Milky Way" > > > > Sorry to be dense but what is the point of "The One I > > Love"? > > > Just another "thanks for letting me park my cock in of your relevant > orafices but could you please now go away because you're annoying me" song. Right - and in that way a precursor for Stipe of the character inhabiting so many songs on _Monster_. It's a curious thing...R.E.M. got such a reputation as a "PC" band (and in some ways I'm sure that's true), yet their youthful, pre-fame shenanigans were hardly so, and for a "PC" band they sure were/are interested in exploring the ugly side of things...Stipe quite often willing to sing in the character of a dickhead. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:04:28 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll On 9/9/08, FSThomas wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > Plus, it's early days yet - and the Republicans are currently benefiting >> from sheer publicity as the shiny object known as "Sarah Palin" continues >> to >> fascinate the birdheaded public. >> > > And how different is that than shiny object known as "Barack Obama"? I realize my earlier response may have missed your point. If you're comparing Obama's media appeal to Palin's...well, in addition to fascinating the media, Obama also won the primary elections in a lengthy, extended battle with a well-funded and hugely favored candidate. I believe that suggests his appeal is slightly more than ephemeral. And let us not forget: the press has anointed Hillary the Dem candidate since at least 2004, and McCain has probably been a press darling longer than any of the other candidates on the two tickets...so if media attention is a measure, none of those folks can complain about Obama's appeal in the media: they've benefited extensively from the same. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:22:32 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: McCain Moves Ahead of Obama in Poll 2fs wrote: > On 9/9/08, *FSThomas* > wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > Plus, it's early days yet - and the Republicans are currently > benefiting > from sheer publicity as the shiny object known as "Sarah Palin" > continues to > fascinate the birdheaded public. > > > And how different is that than shiny object known as "Barack Obama"? > > > I realize my earlier response may have missed your point. > > If you're comparing Obama's media appeal to Palin's...well, in addition > to fascinating the media, Obama also won the primary elections in a > lengthy, extended battle with a well-funded and hugely favored > candidate. I believe that suggests his appeal is slightly more than > ephemeral. Which election is that? His state senate race in '96 when he succeeded the seated Senator or his re-election bids in '98 and '02? He did lose in 2000 during the primary run by a margin of 2-1. In '02 he ran for US Senate against a Republican who withdrew, so that wouldn't have been a strong win, and with only three months prior to the election Alan Keyes carpet-bagged his way into the election as a challenger. Is that the well-funded and hugely-favored candidate you're referring to? Keyes is the Keysha Waites (http://www.keishawaites.com/) of Republican Party politics -- a carpet-bagger looking for the next elected opening, only never able to come through in the end. Keyes is the consummate loser. If that's the victory you're talking about you really ought to do your research first. > And let us not forget: the press has anointed Hillary the Dem candidate > since at least 2004, and McCain has probably been a press darling longer > than any of the other candidates on the two tickets...so if media > attention is a measure, none of those folks can complain about Obama's > appeal in the media: they've benefited extensively from the same. Except that McCain tried and lost last time and there actually (believe it or not) such a thing as Clinton fatigue. Obama is there because of a short list of things: He's not a Clinton, he's a hella good orator (though marvelously poor off-prompter), he's a minority (assuaging /decades/ of white guilt), and he's not got the last name of Bush. Other than that he's a relatively empty suit. While I don't know a lot about Palin I would trust her (or any state Governor, for that matter) over Obama in that she's actually accountable for her actions. When she spends money she's accountable for it. The Senate? They just spend it. The accounting comes later. There's no wonder so few Presidents come out of the congress. Honestly. - -f. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #705 ********************************