From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #700 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 4 2008 Volume 16 : Number 700 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My name is "Moby", and yes, I am gay, although, to the great irritation of some, I appear to have slept with margaret fiedler, maybe even more than once (was:Re: Shitbrain's Third Season Begins...) [] RE: Another Hitchcock-free post ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 ["Jeremy Osner" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: potential "feg" spotting? ["kevin studyvin" ] RE: potential "feg" spotting? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: potential "feg" spotting? [2fs ] Re: potential "feg" spotting? ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 [James Dignan ] Ivy alone ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: potential "feg" spotting? [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: potential "feg" spotting? [Tom Clark ] More Ponyo (NR) [Steve Schiavo ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 22:53:37 -0700 From: Rex Subject: My name is "Moby", and yes, I am gay, although, to the great irritation of some, I appear to have slept with margaret fiedler, maybe even more than once (was:Re: Shitbrain's Third Season Begins...) On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > ...NOW!!! > y'know, i loves the shitbrain. but what i doesn't love is when the shitbrain is still on my browser when i go back to my computer to look up warren g harding so my stepdaughter can find out which president he was. and then even when you close the shitbrain, there's still an email there saying shitbrain's third season begins. and noone to blame but my own damn self. i mean, i really shoulda known off the toppa my head. 29th. duh. first day of school tomorrow... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:29:50 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Another Hitchcock-free post >NP: pretty much anything I can think of from 1968, since I'm compiling an election-year souvenir for a couple >of friends. Have a favorite tune from The Year All Hell Broke Loose? Wanna share? >Rotation seems to be focusing on "Set the Controls For the Heart Of the Sun," "Street Fighting Man," >Buffalo Springfield's "On the Way Home," and "Flower Punk" from We're Only In It For the Money...and, >of course, "I Heard It Through the Grapevine." Some local Michigan favorites from 1968: MC5's "Kick Out The Jams", SRC's "Black Sheep" and Frost's "Mystery Man". The main guy in Frost was Dick Wagner who later found fame with Lou Reed and Alice Cooper in the 70's after Frost broke up in 1971. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:49:25 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Voice Interview On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Jeremy Osner wrote: > Is it just me or is the interviewer pretty weak? The questions don't > seem to have any substance to them. Nice to read Robyn's bons mots of > course; but... This was too harsh: the interviewer got it much more together in the second half of the piece. Printing the first half of the interview straight was a mistake -- it should have been made into a couple of paragraphs introduction to the actual interview. I was interested in Hitchcock's observation that "[the Egyptians songs] all sound just slightly fast and they all sort of suffer from '80s dust sprinkled over them" -- I totally agree with the "80s dust" thing but that's sort of part of the charm to me: the Egyptians songs are IMO way way better than many other bands who used that 80s sound, but the sound sort of brings me youth back to mind. The "too fast" thing seems quite variable to me, like it's true of some songs on "Fegmania!", much of "Hen Out", but I don't offhand think it's prominent on any other Egyptians records. Haven't listened to "Globe of Frogs" in a long while though. The fast songs on "Perspex Island" for instance are exactly as fast as they should be. Anyone else curious about why they put such an old photo with the interview? That must be at least 10 years ago. Did Robyn have the cover of "The Madcap Laughs" in mind when he posed for that? J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:48:02 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 > NP: pretty much anything I can think of from 1968, since I'm compiling an > election-year souvenir for a couple of friends. Have a favorite tune from > The Year All Hell Broke Loose? Wanna share? a few more to ponder: A song for Jeffrey - Jethro Tull Dear Prudence - The Beatles Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun - Pink Floyd Ballerina - Van Morrison White Room - Cream 40,000 headmen - Traffic In the hour of not quite rain - Buffalo Springfield I don't know where I stand - Fairport Convention (another song where the cover is at least as good as the original) America - Simon and Garfunkel - perhaps the ultimate tune for TYAHBL ...and the entirety of "Electric Ladyland" James (hm. No-one's mentioned Trout Mask Replica yet) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:23:44 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:48 PM, James Dignan wrote: > (hm. No-one's mentioned Trout Mask Replica yet) It is a 1969 album is it not? For more on TMR -- anybody who has not read Scary-go-round's Captain Beefheart sequence really ought to: http://www.scarygoround.com/index.php?date=20070730 - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:35:07 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 >> NP: pretty much anything I can think of from 1968, since I'm >> compiling an election-year souvenir for a couple of friends. Have a >> favorite tune from The Year All Hell Broke Loose? Wanna share? James wrote: >a few more to ponder: >A song for Jeffrey - Jethro Tull Good one. I used to think that Tull's first album "This Was" wasn't as good as the subsequent albums "Stand Up" or "Benefit". I don't think that anymore, as I like the jazz and blues overtones that guitarist Mick Abrahams brought to the band's first album. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:38:15 +0000 From: prodigaldog@gmail.com Subject: Happy landings McCain's landed at the Minneapolis airport. Will he stay out of the men's room? Oh, you said "caucus." Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:13:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: potential "feg" spotting? Does anyone know if China Miiville is a Robyn fan? If nothing else, they seem to share common sources/loves in fantastic fiction, etc. - but I just ran into a reference to a "moonlight elemental" in Miiville's world, described as being able to "change shape continuously" and as "very powerful and so infrequently seen as to be legendary." The name of this being? A "fegkarion"... Moonlight, transformations, and the syllable "feg" - an unlikely combo otherwise! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:10:00 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? For sure the level of conceptual compatibility is high. I haven't been as knocked out by subsequent work, but Perdido Street Station was the mind-bendingest thing I've encountered in a hawg's age. It seemed particularly appropriate in the Age of Bush that Bas Lag has an ambassador from Hell, which is a decidedly Hitchcockish touch. On 9/3/08, 2fs wrote: > Does anyone know if China Miiville is a Robyn fan? If nothing else, they > seem to share common sources/loves in fantastic fiction, etc. - but I just > ran into a reference to a "moonlight elemental" in Miiville's world, > described as being able to "change shape continuously" and as "very powerful > and so infrequently seen as to be legendary." The name of this being? A > "fegkarion"... > > Moonlight, transformations, and the syllable "feg" - an unlikely combo > otherwise! > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:21:18 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: potential "feg" spotting? Only 20 more weeks to go for the Age of Bush. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin studyvin Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:10 PM To: 2fs Cc: Pigworkers Local 47 Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? For sure the level of conceptual compatibility is high. I haven't been as knocked out by subsequent work, but Perdido Street Station was the mind-bendingest thing I've encountered in a hawg's age. It seemed particularly appropriate in the Age of Bush that Bas Lag has an ambassador from Hell, which is a decidedly Hitchcockish touch. On 9/3/08, 2fs wrote: > Does anyone know if China Miiville is a Robyn fan? If nothing else, > they seem to share common sources/loves in fantastic fiction, etc. - > but I just ran into a reference to a "moonlight elemental" in > Miiville's world, described as being able to "change shape > continuously" and as "very powerful and so infrequently seen as to be > legendary." The name of this being? A "fegkarion"... > > Moonlight, transformations, and the syllable "feg" - an unlikely combo > otherwise! > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:05:41 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? My wife is convinced that if McCain loses the election Cheney and/or his surrogate will find and/or manufacture a pretext to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution. I keep blithely assuring her that that couldn't happen. At least one of us has to be wrong. On 9/3/08, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Only 20 more weeks to go for the Age of Bush. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:22:11 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:05 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > My wife is convinced that if McCain loses the election Cheney and/or his > surrogate will find and/or manufacture a pretext to declare martial law and > suspend the Constitution. I keep blithely assuring her that that couldn't > happen. At least one of us has to be wrong. > I'm not persuaded that that's likely. Any pretext would have to be pretty enormous: 9/11, the Cuban Missile Crisis, WWII...none of them resulted in a full-fledged declaration of martial law. Plus, the timing would be very, very suspicious: obviously if it happened imeediately after the election, that's way too suspicious...but nearly any action of a lame-duck administration that would transparently extend its reign pretty automatically fails the sniff test. The question also would be: who'd enforce it? While the High Republicans in actual power hve no compunction about taking more of same, nearly everyone in ideological alignment with the official party line but below that level of power tends to be against giving government more power. Again: the initiating pretextual event would have to be enormous. The problem there is the problem typically faced by adherents (and those who'd implement) conspiracy theories: the grander the theory, the less easy it is to ensure that everyone involved doesn't spill the beans (and the more people involved). About the only event large enough to potentially provide such a pretext would be the nuclear or chemical bombing of a US city...but I doubt many people who aren't Dick Cheney would keep that a secret. Of course, you'd then have Plan B whereby everyone who *knows* about the plan, except those at the very top, are themselves killed...but now we're in a world nearly as unlikely as one in which Dick Cheney's heart suddenly grows three sizes overnight (without acute myocardial infarction). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:34:33 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? > nearly any action of a lame-duck administration that would transparently > extend its reign pretty automatically fails the sniff test. > > The question also would be: who'd enforce it? While the High Republicans in > actual power hve no compunction about taking more of same, nearly everyone > in ideological alignment with the official party line but below that level > of power tends to be against giving government more power. > Well, yeah, and also they don't have a whole lot of friends over at the Pentagon. Which is why I find it unlikely. Not to say they wouldn't try it if they thought they could get away with it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:01:08 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #699 >James (hm. No-one's mentioned Trout Mask Replica yet) > > >Wasn't that '69? mmm. Right - and miscoded in my catalogue :/ James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:41:26 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Ivy alone Some thoughts and a transcription of the lyrics, here: http://readin.com/blog/?id=1430 J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:26:10 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? On Sep 3, 2008, at 1:22 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:05 PM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > >> My wife is convinced that if McCain loses the election Cheney and/ >> or his >> surrogate will find and/or manufacture a pretext to declare >> martial law and >> suspend the Constitution. I keep blithely assuring her that that >> couldn't >> happen. At least one of us has to be wrong. >> > > I'm not persuaded that that's likely. Any pretext would have to be > pretty > enormous: 9/11, the Cuban Missile Crisis, WWII...none of them > resulted in a > full-fledged declaration of martial law. Plus, the timing would be > very, > very suspicious: obviously if it happened imeediately after the > election, > that's way too suspicious...but nearly any action of a lame-duck > administration that would transparently extend its reign pretty > automatically fails the sniff test. > > The question also would be: who'd enforce it? While the High > Republicans in > actual power hve no compunction about taking more of same, nearly > everyone > in ideological alignment with the official party line but below > that level > of power tends to be against giving government more power. Again: the > initiating pretextual event would have to be enormous. > > The problem there is the problem typically faced by adherents (and > those > who'd implement) conspiracy theories: the grander the theory, the > less easy > it is to ensure that everyone involved doesn't spill the beans (and > the more > people involved). About the only event large enough to potentially > provide > such a pretext would be the nuclear or chemical bombing of a US > city...but I > doubt many people who aren't Dick Cheney would keep that a secret. Of > course, you'd then have Plan B whereby everyone who *knows* about > the plan, > except those at the very top, are themselves killed...but now we're > in a > world nearly as unlikely as one in which Dick Cheney's heart > suddenly grows > three sizes overnight (without acute myocardial infarction). > My sister and I have been suspecting this for nearly 4 years. An October Surprise. And over the last few weeks, I've been researching just how much of a Police State America has become since the first Bush was in office. And it's not just what happened at the DNC and RNC, although this weeks arrests in St. Paul are pretty terrible. Bush and Cheney, have their own private Brownshirts now - Blackwater. I read recently they were contracted out this week to New Orleans and they have been training various police departments around the country - - which explains the thug-like behavior, gleeful use of pepper spray and tasers and complete hatred the police feel for the citizenry these days. No light thing for me to write either, since I come from a cop family on my mother's side. In Iraq, Blackwater have no checks in place, no one to answer to, which makes me think they will act that way here at home. So even if some of the pentagon and some of the police wouldn't go along with it, I think a large amount of them would, with Blackwater and the "Minutemen" leading the way. It's not that far fetched - I scared myself researching police brutality and our loss of any rights this past weekend. The machine is already in place. Look at what happened to the press at both conventions these past 2 weeks. The police could care less about freedom of speech or assembly or the press. They have the OK from the top down to ignore any and all civil liberties. And that was not the case in WWII or the Cuban Missle crisis, although 9/11 was the start of the overt use of these tactics. I was visiting the US not long after and was surprised to see the military checking cars heading to the Lincoln Tunnel in NY. The scenario? Bomb Iran and then declare, in the interest of National Security, suspended elections. The candidates cannot argue or they would be painted as treasonous by the government but esp. by the media, who are also in place to back this up. (Why else would not only Democracy Now press get arrested but an AP photographer and an ABC producer where thrown in the clink over the last 2 weeks.) This is a youtube of a man who spoke with a senator a year ago who said this was entirely feasible, a plan even. A few other articles: Sweet dreams, - - c "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. " - - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:40:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: potential "feg" spotting? On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > They have the OK from the top down to ignore any and all civil > liberties. And that was not the case in WWII or the Cuban Missle > crisis, although 9/11 was the start of the overt use of these > tactics. I was visiting the US not long after and was surprised to > see the military checking cars heading to the Lincoln Tunnel in NY. > > The scenario? Bomb Iran and then declare, in the interest of National > Security, suspended elections. The candidates cannot argue or they > would be painted as treasonous by the government but esp. by the > media, who are also in place to back this up. (Why else would not > only Democracy Now press get arrested but an AP photographer and an > ABC producer where thrown in the clink over the last 2 weeks.) > > This is a youtube of a man who spoke with a senator a year ago who > said this was entirely feasible, a plan even. > > > A few other articles: > > > > Sweet dreams, Been watching the RNC the past few days and all I can think is, Do they allow people of color into the convention? I mean, other than than the house band? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:05:37 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: More Ponyo (NR) That's a few of Brunhild's little sisters to the left of her. I think Sosuke's mother would be Risa, not Lisa. And that's Joe Hisaishi, who dishes up just a bit of mock Wagner. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #700 ********************************