From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #697 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, August 31 2008 Volume 16 : Number 697 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Byrds covers ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 [James Dignan ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 ["Jeremy Osner" ] NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - Joiners Arms, Southampton, UK, December 3rd, 1997 [ontario moe ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:33:14 -0700 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: Re: Byrds covers > From: 2fs > Can anyone think of any other cover versions whose arrangements were then > taken over by their songwriters in later years? When the Bee Gees finally got around to doing a studio version of "Islands in the Stream" they included a verse of "Ghetto Superstar." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:51:07 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 >Test case: if my band (which is mine - the Anne Elk Band) covers "(I Can't >Get No) Satisfaction" in an arrangement that sounds very like Devo's version >of same, it makes more sense to say we're covering Devo's (cover of the >Stones') "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" than to say we're covering the >Stones. (Which, btw, is what all this excuse-making is: covering my stones.) Surely you'd say you were covering Devo's *arrangement* of "(ICGN) Satisfaction", no? It's still the same song - take away the devo trappings and only the Stones remain, after all... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:14:33 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 On 8/30/08, James Dignan wrote: > > Test case: if my band (which is mine - the Anne Elk Band) covers "(I Can't >> Get No) Satisfaction" in an arrangement that sounds very like Devo's >> version >> of same, it makes more sense to say we're covering Devo's (cover of the >> Stones') "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" than to say we're covering the >> Stones. (Which, btw, is what all this excuse-making is: covering my >> stones.) >> > > Surely you'd say you were covering Devo's *arrangement* of "(ICGN) > Satisfaction", no? It's still the same song - take away the devo trappings > and only the Stones remain, after all... Nice setup! Anyway: yes, what I would *mean* would be "covering Devo's arrangement" - but what I'd say might well simply be "covering Devo's..." Actually I probably would clarify in some way that I'm aware that Devo didn't write the song... It is interesting to speculate how much of a song must be present to be the same song. A couple of test cases: speaking of "Satisfaction," the Residents' version dispenses with most of the original lyrics (not that you can understand what they're singing), the chords are completely different...all you have left is a recognizable mutation of the riff. Similarly (not sonically! but structurally), many of Mark Kozelek's covers (under his own name, Red House Painters, or Sun Kil Moon) are near-complete rewrites of the music: the lyrics remain, but the music is sometimes only sketchily related. (One of my favorites is RHP's version of "Silly Love Songs" - which somehow sounds as if Neil Young wrote it...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:17:18 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 Whenever I have played "Prodigal Son" I have been in kind of a bind -- if I introduce it as being by the Rev. Robert Wilkins, nobody's going to know what the hell I am talking about and then about the fourth bar they'll start whispering to one another, "Isn't that a Stones song?" So I usually will end up mumbling something like, "The Stones played this on Beggar's Banquet -- it's by an old bluesman named Robert Wilkins..." J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:53:02 -0400 From: ontario moe Subject: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - Joiners Arms, Southampton, UK, December 3rd, 1997 http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=212195&hit=1 - ----- Forwarded message from DIME ----- A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. Torrent: 212195 Title: Robyn Hitchcock - Joiners Arms, Southampton, UK, December 3rd, 1997 Size: 439.55 MB Category: Singer/Songwriter Uploaded by: ocelot Info hash: a95bb4d43da61e16920cfe695af942b0f2282a1d Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn Hitchcock - Joiners Arms, St. Mary Street, Southampton, Wednesday, December 3rd, 1997 Lineage Cass Master>Wavelab>Flac An Audience Recording by Neil M 01 gene hackman 02 devil's coachman 03 balloon man 04 winchester intro 05 winchester 06 madonna of the wasps 07 jewels for sophia 08 harp banter 09 queen elvis 10 sudden stonehenge banter 11 i feel beautiful 12 i'm only you 13 what happened in the 80s banter 14 i am not me 15 autumn is your last chance 16 freeze 17 i often dream of trains 18 encore call 19 de chirico street 20 i saw nick drake 21 viva sea-tac - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:15:19 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 >On 8/30/08, James Dignan ><grutness@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > >Test case: if my band (which is mine - the Anne Elk Band) covers "(I Can't >Get No) Satisfaction" in an arrangement that sounds very like Devo's version >of same, it makes more sense to say we're covering Devo's (cover of the >Stones') "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" than to say we're covering the >Stones. (Which, btw, is what all this excuse-making is: covering my stones.) > > >Surely you'd say you were covering Devo's *arrangement* of "(ICGN) >Satisfaction", no? It's still the same song - take away the devo >trappings and only the Stones remain, after all... > > >Nice setup! > >Anyway: yes, what I would *mean* would be "covering Devo's >arrangement" - but what I'd say might well simply be "covering >Devo's..." > >Actually I probably would clarify in some way that I'm aware that >Devo didn't write the song... > >It is interesting to speculate how much of a song must be present to >be the same song. A couple of test cases: speaking of >"Satisfaction," the Residents' version dispenses with most of the >original lyrics (not that you can understand what they're singing), >the chords are completely different...all you have left is a >recognizable mutation of the riff. > >Similarly (not sonically! but structurally), many of Mark Kozelek's >covers (under his own name, Red House Painters, or Sun Kil Moon) are >near-complete rewrites of the music: the lyrics remain, but the >music is sometimes only sketchily related. (One of my favorites is >RHP's version of "Silly Love Songs" - which somehow sounds as if >Neil Young wrote it...) There's an ontriguing album by a band called The Replicants which covers various pop & rock songs in unusual ways - there's a great slow, evil version of "Silly Love Songs" on there which bears only the vaguest resemblance to the original. James (who though Sun Kill Moon was President of South Korea... :) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #697 ********************************