From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, August 30 2008 Volume 16 : Number 696 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Byrds covers ["Jeremy Osner" ] RE: Byrds covers ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Byrds covers [2fs ] Re: Byrds covers [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Byrds covers [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Byrds covers [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Byrds covers ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Byrds covers [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Byrds covers [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Byrds covers ["Jeremy Osner" ] Re: Byrds covers [KB Larsen ] Re: Byrds covers [Tom Clark ] Re: Byrds covers [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:18:19 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:56 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > Like, "Walking After Midnight"? > Actually the Cline song I was listening to when I thought "Hey, Hitchcock could do this song and it would sound Great!", was "Heartaches" -- "Heartaches... heartaches/ My loving you meant only heartaches./ Your kiss was such a special, thing to me/ I can't believe it's just a burning, mem-ory" Doesn't make much sense on a rational level, the lyric is nothing like something Robyn would sing, it's just the sound of their respective voices. But yeah, "Walking After Midnight" would work too. > corrections and citations B-but wha? The recording on Fegmania! sounds very similar indeed to the Byrds performance and quite different to the Seeger performance... Just to take one small point of similarity, Robyn pronounces Rhymney as "rimnee" like McGuinn, not as "rumnee" like Seeger. I duwanna stir up old feuds or anything though. J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:26:49 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Byrds covers - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin studyvin Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:56 PM To: Jeremy Osner Cc: The Abandoned Branes Subject: Re: Byrds covers >> ("Bells of Rhymney" is certainly a Byrds cover rather than a Seeger >> cover -- he sings it just like McGuinn does.) >Danger, Will Robinson! The last time I made the mistake of mentioning that it set off a >global firestorm of corrections & citations from the Seeger camp... Not to mention the danger of saying that it's the Byrds version of "Wild Mountain Thyme" that Robyn is covering, and not one of the many folk recordings that were recorded before the Byrds version. My current favorite cover of it is Kate Rusby's retitled "Blomming Heather" from her latest album Awkward Annie. Michael B. NP Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:10:24 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Byrds covers On 8/29/08, Bachman, Michael wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > >> ("Bells of Rhymney" is certainly a Byrds cover rather than a Seeger > >> cover -- he sings it just like McGuinn does.) > > > >Danger, Will Robinson! The last time I made the mistake of mentioning > that it set off a > >global firestorm of corrections & citations from the Seeger camp... > > > Not to mention the danger of saying that it's the Byrds version of "Wild > Mountain Thyme" that > Robyn is covering, and not one of the many folk recordings that were > recorded before the Byrds version. The difference is that the arrangement of "Rhymney" is clearly indebted to the Byrds' version, whereas the version of WMT is quite different from the Byrds' version. As to whether it's closer to some other version - not me the folk expert. Test case: if my band (which is mine - the Anne Elk Band) covers "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" in an arrangement that sounds very like Devo's version of same, it makes more sense to say we're covering Devo's (cover of the Stones') "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" than to say we're covering the Stones. (Which, btw, is what all this excuse-making is: covering my stones.) This is actually a pretty relevant discussion, in that a lot of early "British Invasion" (to us USites) bands weren't even aware of earlier versions of the songs they covered, and so you could tell which version of "Mannish Boy" (say) the band had heard by how they covered it. This, of course, leads to the curious phenomenon of Bob Dylan covering Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" - but often, he did. Can anyone think of any other cover versions whose arrangements were then taken over by their songwriters in later years? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:13:17 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Byrds covers that is pure GENIUS !!! my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 8/29/2008 4:12:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Test case: if my band (which is mine - the Anne Elk Band) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Fri, 8/29/08, 2fs wrote: > Test case: if my band (which is mine - the Anne Elk Band) covers "(I > Can't Get No) Satisfaction" in an arrangement that sounds very like > Devo's version of same, it makes more sense to say we're covering > Devo's (cover of the Stones') "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" > than to say we're covering the Stones. (Which, btw, is what all this > excuse-making is: covering my stones.) Or, say, The Soft Boys clearly covering John Cale's "Heartbreak Hotel," not Elvis Presley's.... "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:32:38 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Byrds covers McCartney revived Got To Get You Into My Life c 1979 after the Earth Wind & Fire version with a similar version some of Dylan's live versions of My Back Pages are based on the Byrds version actually Dylan has done this a lot ! plus he added the Neville's original extra verse for With God On Our Side into his live performances for a while my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 8/29/2008 4:12:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Can anyone think of any other cover versions whose arrangements were then taken over by their songwriters in later years? **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:45:18 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:32 PM, wrote: > > plus he added the Neville's original extra verse for With God On Our Side > into his live performances for a while Venturing off-topic, but speaking of extra verses, I found this extra verse to Rhymney, written in 2002 by Steve Suffet (with consultation and help from Pete Seeger): "We've had twenty years of Hell!" Cry the sad bells of Kabul. "Oppression and war!" Scream the bells of Kanduhar. "Did we win? Did we lose?" Ask the broken bells of Kanduz. "Will God grant us peace?" Pray the bells of Mazar-i-Shareef. J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:46:38 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Byrds covers thanks - very interesting ! my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ In a message dated 8/29/2008 4:45:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anacreon@gmail.com writes: Venturing off-topic, but speaking of extra verses, I found this extra verse to Rhymney, written in 2002 by Steve Suffet (with consultation and help from Pete Seeger): "We've had twenty years of Hell!" Cry the sad bells of Kabul. "Oppression and war!" Scream the bells of Kanduhar. "Did we win? Did we lose?" Ask the broken bells of Kanduz. "Will God grant us peace?" Pray the bells of Mazar-i-Shareef. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Fri, 8/29/08, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > McCartney revived Got To Get You Into My Life c 1979 > after the Earth Wind & Fire version with a similar version > > some of Dylan's live versions of My Back Pages are > based on the Byrds version > > actually Dylan has done this a lot ! > > plus he added the Neville's original extra verse for > With God On Our Side into his live performances for a while Since her death, Billy Bragg has usually done "A New England" with the extra verse he wrote for her version. The Cure have supposedly done "Just Like Heaven" the Dinosaur Jr way from time to time. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:41:18 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Not to mention the danger of saying that it's the Byrds version of "Wild > Mountain Thyme" that > Robyn is covering, and not one of the many folk recordings that were > recorded before the Byrds version. Funny coincidence -- after posting about this this morning, in the afternoon I was listening to Disk 1 of "Bad Case of History" and heard the Egyptians doing "Wild Mountain Thyme". My initial take on disk 1 is it's got some nice stuff, some lousy stuff, in general not as exciting as disk 2. That is as always subject to iteration and revision as I listen more. J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: KB Larsen Subject: Re: Byrds covers - --- On Fri, 8/29/08, 2fs wrote: > Can anyone think of any other cover versions whose > arrangements were then > taken over by their songwriters in later years? When I saw Dave Mason perform in 1973, maybe '74, he proclaimed Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs & Englishmen version as his favorite cover of Feelin' Alright and used that arrangement (presumably worked up by Leon Russell?). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:20:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > >>> ("Bells of Rhymney" is certainly a Byrds cover rather than a Seeger >>> cover -- he sings it just like McGuinn does.) >> Danger, Will Robinson! The last time I made the mistake of >> mentioning > that it set off a >> global firestorm of corrections & citations from the Seeger camp... > > Not to mention the danger of saying that it's the Byrds version of > "Wild > Mountain Thyme" that > Robyn is covering, and not one of the many folk recordings that were > recorded before the Byrds version. Considering it was recorded for the Byrds tribute CD, I'd suspect that's what they were working off of. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:47:36 -0400 From: Rex Subject: Re: Byrds covers On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > Not to mention the danger of saying that it's the Byrds version of "Wild >> Mountain Thyme" that >> Robyn is covering, and not one of the many folk recordings that were >> recorded before the Byrds version. >> > > Considering it was recorded for the Byrds tribute CD, I'd suspect that's > what they were working off of. > What's interesting (kind of) is that the Byrds tribute record sticks really close to Byrds originals for the most part, ignoring "Mr. Tambourine Man" and etc. Dylan, "Turn Turn Turn", "Rhymney", and sundry traditional tunes that are really the best-known Byrds songs-- I think that Robyn-- erm, that is, Nigel and the Crosses-- are the only ones who got to do a song not written by one or more actual Byrds. I adore both the Byrds and the Crosses version of that song, though. Speaking of The Cure and covers, I just did a gig last night in WV and had the rare pleasure of perfoming a medley of "In Between Days" and Alabama's "Mountain Music". My dad heard me rehearsing the former and mentioned that it sounded a lot like the latter, and, well, so it did. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #696 ********************************