From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #695 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 29 2008 Volume 16 : Number 695 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A different Egyptians sound ["Jeremy Osner" ] Sid & Susie Big Star cover ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Re: Eb's-ass-mania! [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Feasting on the Higsons ["(0% rh)" ] Oops REAP [Steve Talkowski ] Re: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? ["Jason Brown" ] Re: Oops REAP ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: A different Egyptians sound ["kevin studyvin" ] RE: Sid & Susie Big Star cover ["Bachman, Michael" ] First Robyn (was re:A different Egyptians sound) [James Dignan ] RE: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Byrds covers ["kevin studyvin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:00:39 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Re: A different Egyptians sound On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM, 2fs wrote: > That's a very curious link: it looks as if the OED's online for free > (there's a notice that it's limited to "VIVA" something or other), and you > can click on any of the lexicographical entries and get somewhere...but > "home," "browse," and trying to go uplink all give 404 variations... It's > like a house you can only enter if you don't go in through the doors or > windows...sorta tunneling up through the basement you're okay. Try this link for all your illicit free online OED needs: http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/oedbin/oed2www?act=queryform&specfile=/web/data/oed/oed.o2w - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:38:37 -0700 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: Sid & Susie Big Star cover > From: craigie* > > Wonder which Big Star they'll do? I mean, Septenber Gurls was on Different > Light, so I doubt it'll be that... Back Of A Car would be nice.... wait - > thinking out loud... > I wouldn't mind hearing Feel, El Goodo, When My Baby's Behind Me, or My Life Is Right. Think I'd prefer something from #1 Record ... but really, even if they do Stroke It Noel it's fine by me... > And as for a Todd Song - I Saw The Light would suit, but I'll cross my > fingers for Just One Victory (even Billy Bragg couldn't dent that one) Not terribly original, but I'd love to hear Couldn't I Just Tell You. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:54:14 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Eb's-ass-mania! Eddie wrote: >i remember being pretty stoked when he lit in to "Insect Mother" at thesweetwater in '97. he's only played it five times since then, i see.< ...Yes, and luckily one of those 5 subsequent times was to open a show just around the corner from my place about 6 years ago. Also that night, a couple of Dylan tunes, 2 from the yet-to-come-out SB reunion disk, and...ah -- "She Doesn't Exist." (I also remember choosing to spend my limited funds on Park West-priced beer instead of on a Robyn-decorated mini-cone...I'd blame youth, but I was weeks away from turning 40 then, so...just plain oops...) Michael "Not sure why some of my posts are all jammed together -- I DO have an 'Enter' key...and I know how to use it!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:03:36 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Feasting on the Higsons Miles says: > I think Jeff once reported to me about a Fallnet post where someone said "I > don't like music, except for the Fall." that reminds me a john lydon quote (a signature on one of my other e-mail accounts): "i hate all music. except 'roadrunner' by the modern lovers." xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:09:09 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Oops REAP http://gawker.com/5042795/bloomberg-runs-steve-jobs-obituary Steve Talkowski, Character Design | Animation Director Email stevetalkowski@mac.com | Web http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:36:02 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? scruss@gmail.com wrote: > Obviously Microsoft is paying Adobe to discredit Firefox by making essential > plugins unstable ... I feel compelled to mention that Microsoft hates Adobe far more that it will ever hate Firefox. The Flash vs. Silverlight war is coming especially since Silverlight is far more stable on both IE and Firefox than Flash. - -- "IGNORE ME!!!!!!!" - The Grand Galactic Inquisitor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:30:27 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? Stewart wrote: > FF3 on one of my Windows machines is so unstable that it can crash > while > idle. It may be the Acrobat plug-in, but there have been tons of > problems reported with the Flash plugin. Obviously Microsoft is paying > Adobe to discredit Firefox by making essential plugins unstable ... I don't think there is any amount of money that Adobe would accept from Microsoft to help IE. Microsoft views Adobe as a big future competitor due to their virtual ownership of the client experience through Flash. Furthermore, Adobe has a server-based offering called Flex that Microsoft sees as a big competitor to Windows Server/IIS, so although this doesn't rise to the level of competition of Oracle yet, Microsoft takes it very, very seriously. This is why they promoted the success of NBC's Olympics online experience--it was one of the first very large scale deployments of Silverlight and Windows Presentation Foundation. Basically, Adobe knows it is starting to fight on Microsoft's turf, and both companies see it as a big long-term battle. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:25:00 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Sid & Susie Big Star cover > > And as for a Todd Song - I Saw The Light would suit, but I'll cross my > > fingers for Just One Victory (even Billy Bragg couldn't dent that one) > > > Not terribly original, but I'd love to hear Couldn't I Just Tell You. From those guys? My vote's for Cliche. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:25:45 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Oops REAP Bigger Freudian slip than Biden's. On 8/28/08, Steve Talkowski wrote: > > http://gawker.com/5042795/bloomberg-runs-steve-jobs-obituary > > > > Steve Talkowski, Character Design | Animation Director > Email stevetalkowski@mac.com | Web http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:32:36 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: A different Egyptians sound > Agreed - it's also great that Robyn's acquiring new fans. (Those > old-fashioned metal ones in the mesh cages could be nasty.) Just don't stick yer fingers in there! FWIW - _Fegmania!_ was my first Robyn experience as well. Gotta Let This Hen Out! "Listening To the Higsons" totally floored me & it still does. Like the Respect, too. np Love (1st album) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:46:06 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Sid & Susie Big Star cover - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin studyvin Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:25 PM To: Benjamin Lukoff Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Sid & Susie Big Star cover > >> And as for a Todd Song - I Saw The Light would suit, but I'll cross > > >my fingers for Just One Victory (even Billy Bragg couldn't dent that > > >one) > > > >Not terribly original, but I'd love to hear Couldn't I Just Tell You. >From those guys? My vote's for Cliche. Maybe the Nazz song, "We Gotta Get You A Woman"? Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:15:18 -0400 From: ontario moe Subject: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1, 1993 / Seattle, WA master recording http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=211882&hit=1 - ----- Forwarded message from DIME ----- A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. Torrent: 211882 Title: Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1, 1993 / Seattle, WA master recording Size: 568.86 MB Category: Rock Uploaded by: slipkid68 Info hash: aed05a1db52052084b96f0eac6b54d5a324d8d1f Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1, 1993 The Backstage Seattle, Washington Master recording using a Casio DA-R100 DAT and Sonic Studio DSM-6 mics --> M-Audio WAV capture --> Sound normalized to 94% using Adobe Audition --> FLAC Here's the first of two nights at this now-defunct space where Robyn made at least a half-dozen visits over the years. This was a cool early 90s arrangement, with Robyn, Morris and Andy playing a set based on the A&M release Respect. Morris didnt have acoustic drums; rather, it was a smaller kit with mostly drum pads and electronic sounds, all used to good effect. This was a fine set with great sound. Although this was near the end of this bands run together, they sound just fine. I especially liked the readings of Winchester and Eight Miles High, and Robyns typically humorous, matter-of-fact discussion with Andy about the key in which they played the former. There was also something of an inside joke going on that night: people kept asking for a song called Rabbit Train, and in the encore, Robyn got in on it, saying first it couldnt be played for legal reasons, then offering an impromptu reading. Was it a real song? Only the black crow knows. After four records for A&M, Robyn changed gears the following year. Seattle would go on to play an integral part in the new era, yielding collaborations with Scott McCaughey, the series of Viva Sea-Tac! concerts at the Crocodile Cafi, and of course its namesake song. But the records Hitchcock made for A&M were memorable. Perspex Island was a good record with good buzz, but as we know, another alt record that autumn changed everything. Respect was a rich follow-up and the shows that followed were really good. Robyn started fresh the following year, then signed with Warner Bros. So this was sort of a last hurrah for the Egyptians. I wish I remembered more about this night (and the next, which I also recorded, sounds equally good --- Ill put it up here at some point soon). Murray Attaway, late of Guadalcanal Diary, opened at both. Good set there, too, but I didnt record it. Enjoy! 1. intro 2. Driving Aloud (Radio Storm) 3. Madonna of the Wasps 4. Winchester 5. Railway Shoes 6. The Yip Song 7. Arms of Love 8. Airscape 9. Birds in Perspex 10. Oceanside 11. One Long Pair of Eyes 12. Queen Elvis 13. The Moon Inside 14. Only the Stones Remain 15. Child of the Universe 16. I Often Dream of Trains 17. Rabbit Train 18. The Devils Coachman 19. The Wreck of the Arthur Lee 20. Wafflehead 21. Eight Miles High - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:12:56 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NEW on DiME: Robyn Hitchcock/Egyptians May 1, 1993 The Backstage, SEATTLE Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians May 1, 1993 The Backstage Seattle, Washington Master recording using a Casio DA-R100 DAT and Sonic Studio DSM-6 mics --> M-Audio WAV capture --> Sound normalized to 94% using Adobe Audition --> FLAC Here's the first of two nights at this now-defunct space where Robyn made at least a half-dozen visits over the years. This was a cool early b90s arrangement, with Robyn, Morris and Andy playing a set based on the A&M release b Respect.b Morris didnbt have acoustic drums; rather, it was a smaller kit with mostly drum pads and electronic sounds, all used to good effect. This was a fine set with great sound. Although this was near the end of this bandbs run together, they sound just fine. I especially liked the readings of bWinchesterb and bEight Miles High,b and Robynbs typically humorous, matter-of-fact discussion with Andy about the key in which they played the former. There was also something of an inside joke going on that night: people kept asking for a song called bRabbit Train, b and in the encore, Robyn got in on it, saying first it couldnbt be played for blegal reasons,b then offering an impromptu reading. Was it a real song? Only the black crow knows. After four records for A&M, Robyn changed gears the following year. Seattle would go on to play an integral part in the new era, yielding collaborations with Scott McCaughey, the series of bViva Sea-Tac!b concerts at the Crocodile CafC), and of course its namesake song. But the records Hitchcock made for A&M were memorable. bPerspex Islandb was a good record with good buzz, but as we know, another baltb record that autumn changed everything. bRespectb was a rich follow-up and the shows that followed were really good. Robyn started fresh the following year, then signed with Warner Bros. So this was sort of a last hurrah for the Egyptians. I wish I remembered more about this night (and the next, which I also recorded, sounds equally good --- Ibll put it up here at some point soon). Murray Attaway, late of Guadalcanal Diary, opened at both. Good set there, too, but I didnbt record it. Enjoy! 1. intro 2. Driving Aloud (Radio Storm) 3. Madonna of the Wasps 4. Winchester 5. Railway Shoes 6. The Yip Song 7. Arms of Love 8. Airscape 9. Birds in Perspex 10. Oceanside 11. One Long Pair of Eyes 12. Queen Elvis 13. The Moon Inside 14. Only the Stones Remain 15. Child of the Universe 16. I Often Dream of Trains 17. Rabbit Train 18. The Devilbs Coachman 19. The Wreck of the Arthur Lee 20. Wafflehead 21. Eight Miles High http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=211882 my blog is "Yer Blog" http://fab4yerblog.blogspot.com/ http://robotsarestealingmyluggage.blogspot.com/ **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:24:29 -0700 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? Jason Brown wrote: > > I feel compelled to mention that Microsoft hates Adobe far more that > it will ever hate Firefox. I guess my feeble attempt at humour was too feeble. Hey! I'm in Portland, OR - free wireless at PDX, w00t! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:14:18 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Not exactly chocolate http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art-and-architecture/news/pope-angry-over-crucified-green-frog-sculpture-911404.html Stumbled over this item while reading about Michael Jackson's impending 50th (tomorrow? Jeez, I'm gettin' old.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:39:31 +1200 From: James Dignan Subject: First Robyn (was re:A different Egyptians sound) >my 1st robyn exposure was a trouser press article on >the soft boys -not only did they LOOK cool, but they covered >"vegetable man" ( i was / am a big syd fan ) >so i went with a friend to a store in greenwich village >- -they only had one copy, so i let me friend get the "near the soft boys " >EP >and i waited to get back home to purchase my very own copy First Rob yn experience... back in the day when I was just starting out in my first band, Derek (bass player) sat me down and insisted we "try to sound a bit like these guys" - then proceeded to play me "Underwater moonlight". Must've been about 1985, at a guess. We didn't end up sounding like that, though we had the jangly guitars and a few very strange lyrics here and there - and apart from that I had no real contact with Robyn's music for some time. Wind forward* to about 1992. I was in the local library leafing through the records and I found a new-ish release called Perspex Island. I remembered the name Robyn Hitchcock from the Soft Boys and thought "what the hell". Didn't take me long after that to start tracking down as much of his work as possible. James *Getting to be an anachronism, that term... soon we won't be literally "winding" anything forward. Mind you, we haven't gone "at full tilt" for centuries, so the idiom may well survive. - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:15:16 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Jason Brown wrote: > scruss@gmail.com wrote: >> Obviously Microsoft is paying Adobe to discredit Firefox by making >> essential >> plugins unstable ... > > I feel compelled to mention that Microsoft hates Adobe far more that > it will ever hate Firefox. The Flash vs. Silverlight war is coming > especially since Silverlight is far more stable on both IE and Firefox > than Flash. Silverlight worked very well in Safari during the olympics. Flash is having only minor problems with MSNBC's DNC coverage. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:59:55 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: firefox 3 not playing nice w/Acrobat? > I just installed the most recent version of Ffx for Windows, and it > crashes > every time I tried to open a page w/a PDF doc. > > I disabled the Acrobat plugin and it works fine (Acrobat just opens it > instead). > > Anyone else have this issue? I've had occasional issues viewing pdf files from *any* browser using Adobe's reader (which is crazy bloated anyway). I get good results with Foxit Reader: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/ Freeware, worth a try -- and no extra processes running in the background. +brian (doesn't want to evacuate) from New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:08:30 -0400 From: "Jeremy Osner" Subject: Byrds covers Until recently I had not heard any Byrds covers by our man Robyn; now I have heard two, "Bells of Rhymney" and "Eight Miles High" off Bad Case of History, and there is also "Eight Miles High" on the 93 Seattle concert I downloaded from Dime last night. Does he perform any others? I like both of these a lot. I would love to hear him singing "Mister Spaceman"... ("Bells of Rhymney" is certainly a Byrds cover rather than a Seeger cover -- he sings it just like McGuinn does.) ("Eight Miles High" followed by "Chimes of Freedom" totally rocks my world.) (Oh on the subject of covers, I have long nursed an irrational wish that Robyn would cover Patsy Cline -- I think his voice could do justice to her songs which frequently get abused by lesser singers... I fear I will never find fulfillment of this fantasy.) J - -- READIN 2.0 http://www.readin.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:56:21 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Byrds covers > ("Bells of Rhymney" is certainly a Byrds cover rather than a Seeger > cover -- he sings it just like McGuinn does.) Danger, Will Robinson! The last time I made the mistake of mentioning that it set off a global firestorm of corrections & citations from the Seeger camp... (Oh on the subject of covers, I have long nursed an irrational wish > that Robyn would cover Patsy Cline -- I think his voice could do > justice to her songs which frequently get abused by lesser singers... > I fear I will never find fulfillment of this fantasy.) Like, "Walking After Midnight"? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #695 ********************************