From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #686 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, August 18 2008 Volume 16 : Number 686 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Today in history, Part 2 [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Today in history, Part 2 [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: is this thing on? [djini@voicenet.com] RHE Box Set ["Bri N" ] Re: RHE Box Set [michael wells ] Re: Today in history, Part 2 [2fs ] Re: RHE Box Set [2fs ] Re: RHE Box Set ["Bri N" ] Re: RHE Box Set [Tom Clark ] Re: RHE Box Set [2fs ] Re: initial Luminous queries [Rex ] Re: initial Luminous queries ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: RHE Box Set ["Bri N" ] Re: initial Luminous queries [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: initial Luminous queries [Rex ] Re: initial Luminous queries [2fs ] Re: initial Luminous queries [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:38:40 +0100 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Today in history, Part 2 > aggressors. There were even reports about ethnic cleansings in Southern > Ossetia by the Georgian army.> > The Independent is always worth reading on foreign affairs, though it has recently acquired a weird new editor. The question seems to be whether the South Ossetians should be allowed self-determination, and, if so, whether they would vote to be reintegrated with Russia. Anyway, these two articles by Mary Dejevsky and Geoffrey Wheatcroft are interesting: http://tinyurl.com/5thmcy http://tinyurl.com/5fmn3z - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Today in history, Part 2 On Sun, 8/17/08, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > The question seems to be > whether the South Ossetians should be allowed self-determination, Not that I can claim to know there was such a thing as a South Ossetian before this whole thing, but shouldn't the answer to that be "duh?" What legitimate compelling reason would there be for any other answer? > and, if so, whether they would vote to be reintegrated with Russia. And the possibility of that answer being yes would not qualify as a legitimate reason for "no." That is the nice thing about situations like this: in spite of what the media tries to claim, there really are rarely any good guys, so it makes it easy to know who is to blame even without proper reporting, just because you know it's going to be everybody's fault. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . - --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: is this thing on? 2fs wrote: > > It's awful quiet in here. Too quiet. I meant to REAP Robert Hazard, and to mention that I just barely caught the end of his very last performance. He did look ill, but hey, he was playing. Pix here: http://www.studiomlive.com/artists/ardenmusicfest08/ I didn't take them. I'm in the panorama shot though, reading on a rock. Despite my apparent absorption, I really was enjoying the Spinto Band. I've mostly been offline, due to laptop death. Getting a lot of reading done. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:45:45 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: RHE Box Set 1)Dwarfbeat- I guess that's what happens accidentally when your compiling your past albums. 2) veins of the Queen- I have no idea, really. I wondered the same thing. Good Night I Say, would've been a great one instead. and I'll add: While I love this comp and the new songs I did notice: 3) No liner notes, like in the 1st boxset! 4) Thank you for the inclusion of the dates on the 2 bonus discs! Like, Tom Clark, I love details! Yet the Poi Dog Pondering trumpet player's name was omitted in the credits for Veins Of The Queen. 5) Live bonus disc. Obviously, something must've happened to the live recording on Feb 12 1992. Because there was never a better version of Globe of Frogs or When I Was Dead (acoustic) and neither were included. Michael Bachman, testify. 6) It is great to finally have Hanging Out With Dad, but I prefer the vocals on the bootleg version on 'Queen Elvis demos'. Am I the only one? 7) Live Man Die- Where are the cool Morris/Andy harmonies from the 'Queen Elvis demos'?! 8) No 'Queen Elvis demos' Mr. Rock and Roll. Oh well. 9) Surfer Ghost!!!! Surfer Ghost!!!!! 10) Bad Case Of History (the song) is amazing! Surprised this was not a B-side at the time. 11) Great to hear the Sean Lyons 4th album studio tracks. 12) I just wish they would've filled up the entire 80 minutes on Bad Case Of History. I know there must be many more studio gems out there. Not complaining, just sayin'. - -Nuppy - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:40:28 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: initial Luminous queries 1) What happened to "Dwarfbeat"? 2) Okay, so I guess there's no better place for the four extra 1989 live tracks than on Hen...but given that those tracks were recorded June 15, 1989, at the Ritz in NYC...and given that the live version of "Veins of the Queen" on "Bad Case..." 2 was recorded at the Ritz in NYC in 1989...aren't the odds pretty fair that's the same show - or at least close enough that why isn't "Veins" on this version of "Hen" along with the other '89 live tracks? (Yes, there's room on the CD) I'm sure others will note other key omissions... - - -- ...Jeff Norman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:15:22 -0500 From: michael wells Subject: Re: RHE Box Set Nuppy: I don't have the comp, but that should almost certainly be Dave Max Crawford. Who is, I believe, laying it down again on PDP's excellent 2008 disc "7" - a great return to form. Michael "pick up your copy in stores today!" Wells > 4) Thank you for the inclusion of the dates on the 2 bonus discs! > Like, Tom Clark, I love details! Yet the Poi Dog Pondering trumpet > player's name was omitted in the credits for Veins Of The Queen. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:09:32 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Today in history, Part 2 On 8/17/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > On Sun, 8/17/08, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > The question seems to be > > whether the South Ossetians should be allowed self-determination, > > > Not that I can claim to know there was such a thing as a South Ossetian > before this whole thing, but shouldn't the answer to that be "duh?" What > legitimate compelling reason would there be for any other answer? I don't think things are ever that obvious or simple (I make no reference to the specific situation in Georgia, which I haven't been following closely). What does "self-determination" mean? Are South Ossetians united in this desire? What happens to those South Ossetians who disagree (assuming, of course, they're not 100% united)? To me, the problem of anarchism (stay with me on the relation) is that it compels people who want there to be a governing order to do without one - which strikes me as tyrannical to the exact degree of compelling people who don't want a governing order to do with one. So if there's some sort of government, there needs to be some sort of definition of what it governs. The concept of the "nation," however problematic it is (and often those problems arise from the nation-as-geographical-and-sovereign-entity being defined w/o regard to the wishes of the people inhabiting that geography), still seems a necessary solution to the problem. So what happens when everyone wants to devolve from the state? If the state says, yeah, sure, go ahead - be a self-determining group of people known as "Fegmaniax" - then what meaning does the nation ultimately have? I don't pretend to know the answers to these questions - but I think it's never so simple as to say, yeah, let every "people" determine their own fate (if only because who counts as that "people"...invariably, such "peoples" want to include in their numbers individuals who may not agree w/that assessment). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:11:53 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: RHE Box Set On 8/17/08, Bri N wrote: > > 1)Dwarfbeat- I guess that's what happens accidentally when your compiling > your past albums. Of course - I should have guessed... > > > 9) Surfer Ghost!!!! Surfer Ghost!!!!! Different version, though. Still a wonderful song - glad it's out there in some form. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:54:27 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: RHE Box Set - --- jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: From: 2fs jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com 9) Surfer Ghost!!!! Surfer Ghost!!!!! Different version, though. Still a wonderful song - glad it's out there in some form. - ------------------------------------ Is it? I didn't notice that! will have to go back and listen~! -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:20:01 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: RHE Box Set On Aug 17, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Bri N wrote: > 1)Dwarfbeat- I guess that's what happens accidentally when your > compiling your past albums. Nicely done. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:35:09 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: RHE Box Set On 8/17/08, Bri N wrote: > > --- jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: > > From: 2fs jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com > > > 9) Surfer Ghost!!!! Surfer Ghost!!!!! > Different version, though. Still a wonderful song - glad it's out there > in some form. > > ------------------------------------ Is it? I didn't notice that! will > have to go back and listen~! You know, listening to it again, it may be the same version...just with less reverb and with the short guitar intro (cut off in the version I have). Also, I noticed that a lot of the unreleased tracks that were in the Great Torrent, when they've shown up in the box sets, are slightly lower in pitch, as if somewhere along the line the torrent tracks got sped up slightly (in some cases, nearly a half-step). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:21:40 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: initial Luminous queries On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, 2fs wrote: > 1) What happened to "Dwarfbeat"? > Not just that, but... where's the fucking scampi? (NOTE: this message was sent from my stepdaughter's computer via the wireless router in the goddamn Silver Lake Holiday Inn, to which we were unceremoniously removed this morning when our landlord realized, rather late in the game, that it might take a while to pulverize all the walls in a house, rewire and repipe it, and them make it suitable for human habitation again. Thanks!) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:27:09 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: initial Luminous queries On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Rex wrote: > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > 1) What happened to "Dwarfbeat"? > > > > Not just that, but... where's the fucking scampi? > > (NOTE: this message was sent from my stepdaughter's computer via the > wireless router in the goddamn Silver Lake Holiday Inn, to which we were > unceremoniously removed this morning when our landlord realized, rather > late > in the game, that it might take a while to pulverize all the walls in a > house, rewire and repipe it, and them make it suitable for human habitation > again. Thanks!) > > -Rex Jeez, that's the suckiest thing I've heard so far today. Hope the place has a pool, at least. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:59:23 -0700 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: RHE Box Set Haven't compared Surfer Ghost, but as I type I upload a zip folder of 6 tracks from the Queen Elvis Demos that surfaced on a tape I bought in 1989 at a record convention, Cleveland or Akron. Evil Guy, Hanging Out with Dad, and Live Man Die are all different takes from the Box Set versions. Holy Toledo! is the Live Man Die Demo performance better than the Box Set! What the hell? Did they loose this take? The solos with the bass and violin are classic and missing from the other! Have a listen. It's finished uploading: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ly3b17 The quality isn't great, but not horrible I don't think. Certainly not releasable. I very quickly took the top layer of hiss off, if you care about that thing. - -Nuppy - --- jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: From: 2fs To: "Bri N" Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: RHE Box Set Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:35:09 -0500 On 8/17/08, Bri N wrote: --- jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: From: 2fs jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com 9) Surfer Ghost!!!! Surfer Ghost!!!!! Different version, though. Still a wonderful song - glad it's out there in some form. ------------------------------------ Is it? I didn't notice that! will have to go back and listen~! You know, listening to it again, it may be the same version...just with less reverb and with the short guitar intro (cut off in the version I have). Also, I noticed that a lot of the unreleased tracks that were in the Great Torrent, when they've shown up in the box sets, are slightly lower in pitch, as if somewhere along the line the torrent tracks got sped up slightly (in some cases, nearly a half-step). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:13:29 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: initial Luminous queries On Aug 17, 2008, at 5:27 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Rex > wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, 2fs wrote: >> >>> 1) What happened to "Dwarfbeat"? >>> >> >> Not just that, but... where's the fucking scampi? >> >> (NOTE: this message was sent from my stepdaughter's computer via the >> wireless router in the goddamn Silver Lake Holiday Inn, to which >> we were >> unceremoniously removed this morning when our landlord realized, >> rather >> late >> in the game, that it might take a while to pulverize all the >> walls in a >> house, rewire and repipe it, and them make it suitable for human >> habitation >> again. Thanks!) >> >> -Rex > > > Jeez, that's the suckiest thing I've heard so far today. Hope the > place has > a pool, at least. Yikes! Go get one of those famous Silverlake mango shakes, right away! - - c "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. " - - Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:59:19 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: initial Luminous queries On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > > Yikes! Go get one of those famous Silverlake mango shakes, right away! > - c > It is weird to stay in a hotel in one's own neighborhood. The restaurant guide is weirder than anything... neither my nor I have ever heard of about 3/4 of the restaurants. Which is to say that we had not counted on guest informant, I guess. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:13:23 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: initial Luminous queries On 8/17/08, Rex wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Carrie Galbraith >wrote: > > > > > > > > Yikes! Go get one of those famous Silverlake mango shakes, right away! > > - c > > > > > It is weird to stay in a hotel in one's own neighborhood. The restaurant > guide is weirder than anything... neither my nor I have ever heard of about > 3/4 of the restaurants. Which is to say that we had not counted on guest > informant, I guess. I assume you checked out that steak place? I forget - had you explained what exactly was going on that you're in a hotel? I mean, if you'd thrown a TV out the window and sent groupies crying naked through the hallways, tha's why they'd kick you out of a hotel...but you were kicked out of an apartment and *sent* to a hotel, so I can only assume you were lofting televisions *into* the apartment and...hmmm, the groupie thing doesn't really reverse, does it. Anyway: back to the box sets - does anyone else think the colors should have been reversed? That is, the Robyn solo box should have had the dark green background, and the Egyptians one should have had the purple? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:43:45 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: initial Luminous queries On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:13 PM, 2fs wrote: > I forget - had you explained what exactly was going on that you're in a > hotel? I mean, if you'd thrown a TV out the window and sent groupies crying > naked through the hallways, tha's why they'd kick you out of a hotel...but > you were kicked out of an apartment and *sent* to a hotel, so I can only > assume you were lofting televisions *into* the apartment and...hmmm, the > groupie thing doesn't really reverse, does it. Out of a house and to a Hotel (non-Bloedel, and it doesn't resemble a Genesis album cover, but we did gave to "get" it... that was the question, right?). Erm, the landlord is redoing the whole place wiring-, plumbing- and heating-wise, and was a little slow to realize that we couldn't actually live in a house with no utilities... so we got sent over here on short notice. I'm off to WV tomorrow anyhow,,, hectic week here. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #686 ********************************