From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #648 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 4 2008 Volume 16 : Number 648 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) ["(0% rh)" ] Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) [Christopher Gross ] Re: the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) ["Sumiko Keay" ] Hitchcock-free post ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #644 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] art school video (warning: RH content) [JBJ ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:06:44 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) *please* don't say this is the first you've heard of this! i, BSG GIRL!!!, should not be bringing this whedon-related item to the list's attention. by all that is right, please tell me you all know about it already, and just have been keeping it to yourselves, BUFFY GIRLS AND BOYS!!!. or, in eddie's case, he knows about it, and just doesn't give a shit. http://doctorhorrible.net/doctor-horrible-teaser-video/80/ as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:38:57 +0000 From: Brian Hoare Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" > >> oh my, i had no idea that "X considered harmful" is considered to> >> dijkstra's feelings about the GOTO statement.> >>> >> personally, i totally agree with dijkstra (they are PURE EVIL)> >> > I was always taught that using a GOTO was a lazy way out, and it is if it's> > overused.> > i was taught that you get an F, or if you're in the real world, they> will hunt you down. not to kill you, but, worse - to give you another> F. Seeing as its office hours and I've got my programming head on... I allow myself goto's in two circumstances, both are technically avoidable but I think it makes the code easier to follow. Both follow the important "forwards only" rule. a: To cope with errors/problems in nested loops. c/c++/c# dont have a form of break that allows exiting through multiple levels of loops. So I will use for(;;) //assume some conditions not a for-ever for these { .... for(;;) { ... if(something wrong) goto label_bad_exit; ... } } .... return; label_bad_exit: clear up mess; return; you could use a try/catch which will add overheads* or add an error flag to test it in for(;.. && !error;) and add some if(error)continue at the bottom of inner loop but that can get messy. *ok not a lot of overhead but often I really must code for speed. and try/catch wasnt there when I started. b: Rarely and perhaps unwisely I use goto within switch statements. If a number of cases require some processing and there is a case that requires just that processing I will put a label just below that case statement [if only 1 I will fall through if the language allows it]. Can be avoided by using a flag and an if() at the end of the switch but it looks neater this way. On the whole switch/ if-else if-else / for / do{}while / while cover pretty much all the branching you need [ but a break(# of levels) would be handy. The worst code to follow ime is heavily-maintained fortran which gotos like mad and the line numbers (not text labels) are an arbitary order. Actually worse is c ported from fortran by a fortran-turned-c programmer where the labels become L10, L13, L20 etc. btw. I remember ZX81/Spectrum basic allowing expressions in goto/gosub statements eg. goto 1000 + 100 * X. Never seen anything quite like that in other places. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Latest news and results from MSNs Dancing on Ice 2008 Special http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/tv/realitytv/dancing-on-ice/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:50:17 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" - --On 2. Juli 2008 14:20:18 -0700 Tom Clark wrote: > p.s. Continuing this thread is my way of returning the favor to all you > Buffy-ites! I'm a Buffy fan *and* an IT person (if only a layman programmer), so it's win-win for me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:52:23 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) - --On 3. Juli 2008 03:06:44 -0400 "(0% rh)" wrote: > *please* don't say this is the first you've heard of this! Rest assured, it isn't ;-) For some reason I'm not *that* excited about it. I'm much more looking forward to Dollhouse. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:10:05 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" Brian Hoare wrote: > > btw. I remember ZX81/Spectrum basic allowing expressions in goto/gosub > statements eg. goto 1000 + 100 * X. Never seen anything quite like that in > other places. Fortran used to have that, but it's now deemed obsolescent. I like Fortran. And Perl. If anyone has to read it, you should've done it right first time. Stewart PS: my @waypoints = grep { $_->{name} } @{ $ref->{trk}->{trkseg}->{trkpt} }; -- isn't Perl beautiful? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:22:53 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner >Here! Here! >Isn't it being filmed in the UK? I've been to Portmeirion, it's not >THAT hard to get to! >- - c I've always felt that new episodes of the Prisoner would be a lot creepier if they were filmed on the set of the Island of Sodor, with Sir Topham Hatt as Number 2 and Thomas the Tank Engine as Number 6. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, (0% rh) wrote: > *please* don't say this is the first you've heard of this! > > i, BSG GIRL!!!, should not be bringing this whedon-related item to the > list's attention. by all that is right, please tell me you all know > about it already, and just have been keeping it to yourselves, BUFFY > GIRLS AND BOYS!!!. Heard of it, assumed everyone else had already heard of it. Or maybe I was just too lazy to post. Or both. Sorry, I know I've been falling down on the job as one of the list's regular posters of Whedonesque stuff. But that's what you folks get if you rely on me. Bonus trivia for Lauren: Felicia Day has a degree in Mathematics from UT-Austin. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:01:45 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: the servant becomes the master (100% joss whedon) I thought that the teaser was cute. And Hat Girl looks so much better in this than in L&O:CI. Sumi On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:06 AM, (0% rh) wrote: > *please* don't say this is the first you've heard of this! > > i, BSG GIRL!!!, should not be bringing this whedon-related item to the > list's attention. by all that is right, please tell me you all know > about it already, and just have been keeping it to yourselves, BUFFY > GIRLS AND BOYS!!!. > > or, in eddie's case, he knows about it, and just doesn't give a shit. > > http://doctorhorrible.net/doctor-horrible-teaser-video/80/ > > as ever, > lauren > > -- > "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:10:45 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NEW on DiME: Robyn Hitchcock August 18, 1999 Tramps, New York City, NY Robyn Hitchcock August 18, 1999 Tramps, New York City, NY A short set from 1999's Music Against Brain Degeneration tour, a roving band of performers assembled and lead by Wayne Coyne and The Flaming Lips. This set is from the tail-end of the tour, by which time Robyn and Sebadoh had figured out a couple songs to play together at the end of Robyn's set. The recording came out quite hot but does not overload. No tweaking was done after transfer from the minidiscs -- this is exactly as-is on the master. 01. intro 02. Cynthia Mask 03. banter - mind bees (part 1) 04. I Something You 05. My Wife and My Dead Wife 06. banter - mind bees (part 2) 07. Viva! Sea-Tac 08. Kingdom of Love 09. Sally Was A Legend 10. banter - commercial message 11. Freeze 12. Listening To The Higsons* 13. She Doesn't Exist* * with Sebadoh Taped by woj Source: Aiwa CM-S20 mic > MZ-R50 Minidisc (mic in, SP stereo) Transfer: Sony MDS-JE530 > optical > Delta Dio 2496 > CD Wave (recording, tracking) > flac 1.1.1 (level 6) http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=203623 **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:02:13 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: re: Alice James and Lauren were saying: >> I sometimes feel the same way about my SO Alice. Hell, I've got a high >> IQ, >> but I can't keep up when her conversation suddenly swings from string >> theory >> to invertebrate anatomy to Lester Bangs to comparative linguistics to >> geomorphology and backto string theory over the course of a minute or two >> of >> conversation. She leaves me bewildered and awe-struck. Though I'm a >> sucker >> for smart women, luckily, she also has other charms :) >okay, i already adore this woman. she is not on feglist...why? (for >some reason, i don't find it a stretch that she's an RH fan ;) ) >you could double the new zealand feg forces!!! She also is sweet, a bit shy, and immediately likable. The visit I had with James and Alice was ridiculously brief. Hopefully next time my schedule will be A LOT looser. I would like to meet up with Nut and Bolt as well. Marc Broken promises don't upset me. I just think, why did they believe me? Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 12:30:58 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Hitchcock-free post New favorite web comic: Girls With Slingshots. Been reading this all morning. http://www.daniellecorsetto.com/GWS271.html np Iannis Xenakis, Pleiades ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:22:06 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 >> While looking for info on Lauren's recent "snowclone" reference I came >> across the following, which has now infested my mind like a hilarious >> parasite: >> >> There once was an X from place B, >> That satisfied predicate P, >> He or she did thing A, >> In an adjective way, >> Resulting in circumstance C. >> >> http://snowclones.org/ >> > > I think Rock Band does that on their new CD, _More Songs About X and Y_. Heh. Reminds me of a parody song from one of the british University Revue groups a few years ago as by "Status Quid", with lyrics something along the lines of Boring song, boring song, We have to sing the same refrain And the same refrain again Of this boring song, boring song. Second bit, second bit Sounds just like the rest of it But it is in fact the second bit Of this boring song, the second bit Another line, another line, this is the other line Another line, another line, this is another other line Of this boring song, another line. etc. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:24:57 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #644 >james says: >>> p.s. a few months ago, my logic teacher and i had a talk about >>> transfinite numbers, and i think it was then that i realized that i >>> don't even the *ability* to have clue as to how smart he is. >> >> I sometimes feel the same way about my SO Alice. Hell, I've got a high IQ, >> but I can't keep up when her conversation suddenly swings from string theory >> to invertebrate anatomy to Lester Bangs to comparative linguistics to >> geomorphology and backto string theory over the course of a minute or two of >> conversation. She leaves me bewildered and awe-struck. Though I'm a sucker >> for smart women, luckily, she also has other charms :) > >okay, i already adore this woman. she is not on feglist...why? (for >some reason, i don't find it a stretch that she's an RH fan ;) ) > >you could double the new zealand feg forces!!! > >as ever, >lauren Well, she likes Robyn's music enough to quote it every now and again, but I wouldn't call her a fan. Also she's hermit enough to not like being on mailing lists in general. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:21:53 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > Heh. Reminds me of a parody song from one of the british University > Revue groups a few years ago as by "Status Quid", with lyrics something > along the lines of > > Boring song, boring song, > We have to sing the same refrain > ... Shades of We know a song that gets on your nerves (3x) } And it goes like this ... } ... ad infinitum I think my favourite self-referential song is Bernard Carney's "Here is the Chorus", which starts like: I have a line of a song, it sets the mood it sets the time I colour it with images, and maybe it will rhyme Now it gains momentum, getting stronger on the way The chorus is approaching and its what I want to say CH: Here is the chorus, its the title of the song Here is the chorus, and its taking you along It sums up all the verses and the themes that it contains Here is the chorus, and Im singing it again Cathy Fink & Marcy Marxer do a great cover of it on their "Postcards" album. cheers, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:08:13 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Shades of > > We know a song that gets on your nerves (3x) } > And it goes like this ... } ... ad infinitum > > I think my favourite self-referential song is Bernard Carney's "Here is the > Chorus", which starts like: Wire have "And the chorus goes... and the chorus goes... and the chorus goes"... and I there's a similar King Crimson song of fairly recent vintage. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:00:08 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #647 Monty Python had a few of these - like "I Like Traffic Lights" I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights, No matter where they've been. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights, But only when they're green. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights, No matter where they've been. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights, But only when they're green. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. That is what I said. I Like traffic lights I Like traffic lights I Like traffic lights, But not when they are red. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights. That is what he said. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights. He likes traffic lights, But not when they are red. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights, Although my name's not Bamber. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I Like traffic lights. I-- Oh, God! In a message dated 7/3/2008 9:26:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, scruss@gmail.com writes: Shades of We know a song that gets on your nerves (3x) } And it goes like this ... } ... ad infinitum **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: JBJ Subject: art school video (warning: RH content) This is from an acquaintance of mine. I had no idea he was a Robyn fan! http://marktapiokines.livejournal.com/171817.html Enjoy! Happy 4th! JBJ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #648 ********************************