From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #646 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 1 2008 Volume 16 : Number 646 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner ["(0% rh)" ] Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" ["(0% rh)" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #645 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] robyn / free at noon / philly / july 18th [gaseous clay ] google her [Jill Brand ] Re: x-files movie trailer [Rex ] Re: CVB25 [Rex ] Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner [Rex ] Re: x-files movie trailer ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" [Rex ] Re: x-files movie trailer [Rex ] Re: x-files movie trailer ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: CVB25 [Tom Clark ] Re: x-files movie trailer ["(0% rh)" ] Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner [FSThomas ] Re: x-files movie trailer [2fs ] Re: CVB25 [2fs ] Re: x-files movie trailer [2fs ] Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" ["(0% rh)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:04:04 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner Did a movie with Brendan Fraser, too. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 7/1/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jun/30/itv.television > > > > > > *Ian McKellen to lead in ITV's The Prisoner remake* > > > > > > ITV1 has confirmed that Sir Ian McKellen and Jim Caviezel will star in > > > the network's reinvention of the 1960s thriller, The Prisoner, to be > > > broadcast next year. > > > > > > I wonder what the evangelical fuckheads will think of their slasher flick > > Jesus doing a mini-series with McKellen, what with him being a wizard and > > all. > > > He's not only a wizard. He's guilty of a much, much, much worse offense > against morality. > > He is - openly and proudly - not an American. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:05:15 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner Also, I now think there's an urgent need for somebody to write a song called "Slasher Flick Jesus." Maybe Rob Zombie. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 7/1/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jun/30/itv.television > > > > > > *Ian McKellen to lead in ITV's The Prisoner remake* > > > > > > ITV1 has confirmed that Sir Ian McKellen and Jim Caviezel will star in > > > the network's reinvention of the 1960s thriller, The Prisoner, to be > > > broadcast next year. > > > > > > I wonder what the evangelical fuckheads will think of their slasher flick > > Jesus doing a mini-series with McKellen, what with him being a wizard and > > all. > > > He's not only a wizard. He's guilty of a much, much, much worse offense > against morality. > > He is - openly and proudly - not an American. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:20:55 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" > i can't do my usual generalization on this one (i only do that when i > have at least two data points, and i don't have anyone in mind but > myself), but, i, for one, get easily frustrated with the imprecision** > of things that aren't math, or computer code. ** or could i say > ``precision''? > > i mean, not in poetry, but in communication (not that poetry isn't > communication, but...oh, fuck it...) > The slipperiness of language, particularly in poetry, is one of my favorite things. My brain can entertain itself for hours with the way cascading chains of referents segue endlessly into one another. To veer dangerously close to New-Ageitude here, as physical phenomena are surrounded by statistical clouds (almost wrote "haloes" but that would just be the wrong place to go) of probability, and musical notes are surrounded by a nimbus of overtones, words can be regarded as suspended in a web of potential meanings that blur into each other with no ultimate horizon. And this kind of jibber-jabber is why I probably should never have read Differance, but I did and nothing, as Riff-Raff says, can ever be the same. > > >> one of my favourite onion charts: > >> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/36750 > >> > > The list of new Celestial Seasonings flavors was great too. I liked > English > > Major Chamomile. > > i don't think i've seen that one. i wish i lived in an onion town! It was one of the many lists in the link you sent - if you just click on them obsessively long enough you'll find it... > > > remember when the tea vs. herbal tea wars? i forget who was the big > asshole company in that one, but, basically, the big asshole tea > company tried to stop the herbal tea people from calling it ``herbal > tea'' because, technically, it isn't tea And formally they're right, but still - jeez. > (a dead zone in my brain, but it might have even been lipton??? who might > have even ended up buying > celestial seasonings???) > > which brings me back to the imprecision of natural language... Now that makes you sound like one of those unfortunate souls who can't tolerate ambiguity, but I think we know better. Reminds me of a point that was made very nicely in a review of Roland Barthes - "It has been fashionable in the past to oppose the amoral 'aesthete' to the ethical 'moralist,' the 'dandy' to the 'thinker.' But it is clear as one reads Barthes that his devotion to the esthetic was not only a natural inclination but also a fully ethical committment. The esthetic, by having an inherent plurality of language, tone, and viewoint, defends the mind against its own premature anxiety for closure." I love that last phrase - it sums up so much of what's wrong with American thinking. > > p.s. a few months ago, my logic teacher and i had a talk about > transfinite numbers, and i think it was then that i realized that i > don't even the *ability* to have clue as to how smart he is. > I hear ya. That stuff just makes my head spin. > > p.p.s. kevin (or whoever cares to chime it), while i have you on the > line, have you read any of the philip k. dick biographies? do you > have a recommendation of one over another? Read a lengthy feature on him in (I think) Crawdaddy in the late 70s, about the time he was beginning his final wig-out. I've glanced through but not actually read Paul Williams' book. That's about it. Favorites: Eye In the Sky (the first one I read); Clans Of the Alphane Moon (sheer slapstick, as I remember it); The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch; A Maze Of Death; A Scanner Darkly. np: Best Of Canned Heat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:04:47 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner kevin says: > Did a movie with Brendan Fraser, too. "gods and monsters" is that one. i loved that movie, and i have it in the queue to re-watch. i'll also be forcing my (gay) friend m. to watch that one with me - i tease him that it's unacceptable that i see any (even-slightly) gay-themed movie without his watching it, too. other movies i recently sent him were "the times of harvey milk" and "grey gardens" (both excellent.) i tried with "love and death on long island", but he had trumped me on that one (which is another very good movie; it stars john hurt and, of all people, jason priestly and his 90210 haircut.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:32:34 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" kevin says: > The slipperiness of language, particularly in poetry, is one of my favorite > things. My brain can entertain itself for hours with the way cascading > chains of referents segue endlessly into one another. To veer dangerously > close to New-Ageitude here, as physical phenomena are surrounded by > statistical clouds (almost wrote "haloes" but that would just be the wrong > place to go) of probability, and musical notes are surrounded by a nimbus of > overtones, words can be regarded as suspended in a web of potential meanings > that blur into each other with no ultimate horizon. And this kind of > jibber-jabber is why I probably should never have read Differance, but I did > and nothing, as Riff-Raff says, can ever be the same. first chapter: http://www.hydra.umn.edu/derrida/diff.html huh. this is the kind of stuff that makes me wonder why people think math is hard! (BTW, last week i was showing ty what "snowclones" are, and i had no idea that the origin of "x is hard; let's go shopping" was x=math?!! i thought x=life. and it was barbie who originally said this? that's sick. if she's going to discourage young women from doing math, at least she could come up with something more useful than SHOPPING? cooking would even be be a major improvement. cleaning? ironing? or, sheesh, even giving blowjobs.) >> (a dead zone in my brain, but it might have even been lipton??? who might >> have even ended up buying >> celestial seasonings???) >> >> which brings me back to the imprecision of natural language... > > > Now that makes you sound like one of those unfortunate souls who can't > tolerate ambiguity, but I think we know better. sometimes i think that i tolerate ambiguity a bit too well and that there's potential for me to get lost in something like that. i have a bit of a fear of philosophy, and it's probably because i see it as a place with, ultimately, nothing to hold onto. a man's gotta know his limitations. > Reminds me of a point that was made very nicely in a review of Roland > Barthes - "It has been fashionable in the past to oppose the amoral > 'aesthete' to the ethical 'moralist,' the 'dandy' to the 'thinker.' But it > is clear as one reads Barthes that his devotion to the esthetic was not only > a natural inclination but also a fully ethical committment. The esthetic, > by having an inherent plurality of language, tone, and viewoint, defends the > mind against its own premature anxiety for closure." I love that last > phrase - it sums up so much of what's wrong with American thinking. this is very interesting stuff. (i might mention that my father strictly forbid in the household the reading of anything published by verso!!! perhaps i'm at a disadvantage?) >> p.p.s. kevin (or whoever cares to chime it), while i have you on the >> line, have you read any of the philip k. dick biographies? do you >> have a recommendation of one over another? > Read a lengthy feature on him in (I think) Crawdaddy in the late 70s, about > the time he was beginning his final wig-out. I've glanced through but not > actually read Paul Williams' book. That's about it. > > Favorites: Eye In the Sky (the first one I read); Clans Of the Alphane Moon > (sheer slapstick, as I remember it); The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch; > A Maze Of Death; A Scanner Darkly. i've only read a few of his books, and haven't read any of those. perhaps i'll give one of those a try. i was actually thinking of ordering one of books of short stories. so far, i think every book of his that i've read at least halfway through has had some bizarre plot meltdown. probably not unlike their author. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:40:44 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #645 >> onstage and sang "Rain" with us, the only song we were sure we all >> knew. The next day we listened to the recording of Galaxie 500 with Robyn Hitchcock. >> We sounded dreadful, but his voice was great. This little >>collaboration was mentioned on MTV - we were almost famous." page 56, >> Black Postcards > >G500 doing "Rain" sounds like a no-brainer, but the live recording of it I've heard (sans Robyn) really, >surprisingly, isn't very good. And Bongwater's is overrun by irritating ghasty (but not mellow) sax. >That's probably my favorite Beatles song, but I don't know any good covers of it. well, the original is so near perfection is why. ISTR I have a couple of reasonable versions - a ponderous but otherwise OK Ed Harcourt one off a UNCUT compilation giveaway, and a very poor tape copy by an obscure NZ band called The Simpletons. The original still wins hands down. As tio Galaxie 500 performing this with RH, I think my degrees of separation (performing music only) with RH just wen't down to five (me to Jan (or Paul or David or Peter) to Martin to Justin to Dean to Robyn). Shorter links welcomed :) (actually, I may have just thought of a shorter one - me to Jan to Don (or Dave) to Neil to Robyn. Jan may even have worked with Neil, which cuts things down considerably) James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:46:14 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: robyn / free at noon / philly / july 18th thanks to robert for catching this and posting it on vegetablefriends! http://xpn.org/wxpn-concerts-events-calendar/free-at-noon Free at Noon July 18, 2008 Robyn Hitchcock at World Cafe Live RSVP at http://www.publicradiomail.org/wxpn/events/fan_rh/details.tcl Robyn Hitchcock joins us for an XPN Free At Noon Show on Friday, July 18 from World Cafe Live. A co-production of WXPN and NPR Music. English singer-songwriter, Robyn Hitchcock has had one of the most enduring careers of any performer. With an impressive discography that boasts a stunning thirty-six releases, it is an understatement to suggest that he is dedicated to his music. Having performed as the frontman of The Soft Boys for years, Hitchcock is also known as a musical perfectionist in his solo career. While his voice is somewhere between Syd Barrett and John Lennon, his sound is truly his own. Influenced by English folk rock, Hitchcock's lyrics are both whimsical and thoughtful. With the release of his second box set, Luminous Groove, Hitchcock reflects on his legendary career. Robyn's on tour and will also play a full show at World Cafe Live on Thursday July 17, 2008 beforing heading across the pond in August. - ----- Forwarded message from Brenda Sledge ----- To: VegetableFriends@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:31:26 -0000 Subject: [VegFriends] another Robyn date Here's one everyone can share! Robyn Hitchcock will be at World Cafe Live in Philadelphia for the WXPN Free at Noon, Friday, July 18 at 12 noon EDT. The sets are generally around 30 minutes and include a live interview. They are also broadcast live over XPN so those who are not able to attend the show can listen either on the radio or via their internet stream. http://xpn.org/ It seems that they just announced it today -- I haven't seen an email from the station about it yet. Tickets are free for the asking but should be reserved in advance. Yay! Roberta - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 21:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: google her "That's because of the first name ;-) Seriously, I'd never heard or seen the name "Ponke" before." Well, I hadn't either, and neither had my husband. Anyway, when I wrote my post about Stabilo products, I decided to google Ponke Scwanhaeusser, and it turns out she is living in Italy now. You can check her out here http://www.de.accapistudio.com/de/kontakte-1/index.html ...or not. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:44:01 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:05 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > > I liked the Tim Burton ones but the later Tommy Lee Jones/Jim Carey/The > Gubernator product seriously did not work for me. Today California's "no-hands-phones-only while driving" law went into effect, and, instantaneously, people who were previously totally low-tech and workaday (e.g. couriers, container drivers) were sporting those Borg-stye ear-antenna devices. And I'm sure someone has already made the joke, but I haven't heard it and it wrote itself: that's what we get for having a FUCKING CYBORG FROM THE FUTURE AS OUR GOVERNOR. I dunno... it probably is a good law. I'm obeying it by not using my phone in my car in any form. I cannot get interested in the X-Files film or any of the new, much-lauded Batmen. Both franchises hit a brick wall for me, and I'm not ready to be nostalgic yet... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:49:25 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: CVB25 On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > In CVB: > Victor Krummenacher > Greg Lisher > Jonathan Segel > > In Cracker: > Johnny Hickman > Kenny Margolis > Sal Maida > > In both: > David Lowery > Frank Funaro > Vic was in Cracker for a little while, wasn't he? Around the time of that Hi-Desert Fest with Gram Rabbit, yeah? Or did I just dream that? Seeing CVB was a dream come true for me... the facts that it was free and X was on afterwards were way better than gravy. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:53:23 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:43 AM, 2fs wrote: > > It's a particular kind of irony, too - not the "too hip for the room - > isn't > this material inane?" thing, all too common - but more in No. 6's worldview > itself. Arguably that slightly detached, superior viewpoint, graced with a > kind of humor that doesn't pave over sincerity, is the thing that keeps the > series from being merely a curio. At its best, anyway - its weaker episodes > do seem a bit dated. By "dated" I mean "outdated," of course: it's obvious > the series is from the '60s, and even though McGoohan resisted almost > everything that would have located the series in its time (glaring > exception > "All You Need Is Love"), And the zoom shots. Can't forget the zoom shots. But they had wicked, timeless phones. Have I missed an announcement of where they're shooting it? Because... kind of key. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 19:54:00 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:05 AM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > >> > >> >> I liked the Tim Burton ones but the later Tommy Lee Jones/Jim Carey/The >> Gubernator product seriously did not work for me. > > > Today California's "no-hands-phones-only while driving" law went into > effect, and, instantaneously, people who were previously totally low-tech > and workaday (e.g. couriers, container drivers) were sporting those > Borg-stye ear-antenna devices. And I'm sure someone has already made the > joke, but I haven't heard it and it wrote itself: that's what we get for > having a FUCKING CYBORG FROM THE FUTURE AS OUR GOVERNOR. > > I dunno... it probably is a good law. I'm obeying it by not using my phone > in my car in any form. > > I cannot get interested in the X-Files film or any of the new, much-lauded > Batmen. Both franchises hit a brick wall for me, and I'm not ready to be > nostalgic yet... > > -Rex > > I totally understand how you feel, but I'd like to toss in my opinion that the Christian Bale Batman may be the best of them all. It doesn't have Burton's Goth excess, which is both a plus and a minus, but it's lightyears ahead of all the crap that got made after he handed off the franchise. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:02:01 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:32 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > > > (BTW, last week i was showing ty what "snowclones" are, and i had no > idea that the origin of "x is hard; let's go shopping" was x=math?!! > i thought x=life. and it was barbie who originally said this? that's > sick. if she's going to discourage young women from doing math, at > least she could come up with something more useful than SHOPPING? > cooking would even be be a major improvement. cleaning? ironing? > or, sheesh, even giving blowjobs.) (A) Weird coincidence, this just came up at band practice, and the bassist informed me that it was real, and not, as I had at some point started to believe, a gag originated for Malibu Stacy on the Simpsons. I was saddened for more than one reason. (B) Similarly, the phrase "this is not your father's (x)" just flashes across my consciousness, and I realized that I have completely forgotten where it originated, other than that it was once an earnest advertising slogan. I think. (C) WTF *is* a "snowclone"? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:05:26 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > I totally understand how you feel, but I'd like to toss in my opinion that > the Christian Bale Batman may be the best of them all. It doesn't have > Burton's Goth excess, which is both a plus and a minus, but it's lightyears > ahead of all the crap that got made after he handed off the franchise. I'm a little confused by the title of it, too... other than the villain being the Joker, it doesn't seem to be based on the Franks Miller book. Or is it? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:10:14 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer Haven't seen it, so I can't say, but I assume they're just using Miller's title for brand-name recognition value. I'm still hoping somebody someday will manage to turn that crazy-ass anarchist manifesto into a movie... On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > >> >> I totally understand how you feel, but I'd like to toss in my opinion that >> the Christian Bale Batman may be the best of them all. It doesn't have >> Burton's Goth excess, which is both a plus and a minus, but it's lightyears >> ahead of all the crap that got made after he handed off the franchise. > > > I'm a little confused by the title of it, too... other than the villain > being the Joker, it doesn't seem to be based on the Franks Miller book. Or > is it? > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:27:51 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CVB25 On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Rex wrote: > Vic was in Cracker for a little while, wasn't he? Around the time > of that > Hi-Desert Fest with Gram Rabbit, yeah? Or did I just dream that? I'm not so sure he ever recorder with Cracker, but like countless others probably sat in with them. I gotta admit I've got a bit of a man-crush on him. He's aged very well. > Seeing CVB was a dream come true for me... the facts that it was > free and X > was on afterwards were way better than gravy. Until about three songs in to Saturday's set I had totally forgotten that I had seen them in Boston in '90 (at The Paradise - Jill???). This was the Key Lime Pie tour with the lovely Morgan Fichter filling in for Jonathan. She surprisingly showed up a few years later with Jane's Addiction at Lollapalooza here in the Bay Area. I was hoping she was following me... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:33:20 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer Rex says: > I cannot get interested in the X-Files film or any of the new, much-lauded > Batmen. Both franchises hit a brick wall for me, and I'm not ready to be > nostalgic yet... i'm wondering if you saw the most recent one, "batman begins" (this is the christian bale one that kevin referred to.) IMO, it's the best of the lot (i'm not a big tim burton fan.) if i'm remembering correctly, the ones with uma thurman and alicia silverstone were the duds. N.B.: i know zero about batman in print form. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:34:10 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: OT: Possible New Prisoner Rex wrote: > Have I missed an announcement of where they're shooting it? Because... > kind of key. Nothing on location. I did find mention on another site that it's a six-part miniseries slated for 2009. http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20080630amc01 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:35:15 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer On 7/1/08, Rex wrote: > > > Today California's "no-hands-phones-only while driving" law went into > effect, and, instantaneously, people who were previously totally low-tech > and workaday (e.g. couriers, container drivers) Don't think you can sneak a Fall reference past me! were sporting those > Borg-stye ear-antenna devices. And I'm sure someone has already made the > joke, but I haven't heard it and it wrote itself: that's what we get for > having a FUCKING CYBORG FROM THE FUTURE AS OUR GOVERNOR. I think the state should promote it with Ahnuld enunciating, in his best Austrian accent: "Look Ma - no hants." Except that it would seem as if he's saying no one named Hans is anywhere nearby, and that might make Hans's ma very unhappy. "But vot dit you do vit mein liebchen Hansel?" (Apologies for the bad fake-German...) I dunno... it probably is a good law. I'm obeying it by not using my phone > in my car in any form. Next time I'm in California, I'll obey it by not having a cell phone at all. Is it legal to talk on a pay phone while driving? Like, in really tight circles around the phone booth? Do they still have phone booths? Man, Superman must be pissed, if not. Also, Clark Kent keeps getting arrested for indecent exposure, trying to strip off in fotobooths, little donut shops, street taquerias, and the occasional Tardis. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:42:35 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: CVB25 On 7/1/08, Tom Clark wrote: > > > Until about three songs in to Saturday's set I had totally forgotten that I > had seen them in Boston in '90 (at The Paradise - Jill???). For a while, it seemed CvB was opening band for every band I saw. Of course, I can remember only R.E.M. - but I know I saw them open at at least one other show. I also saw them in their own right at a street festival once, and in an indoor venue the second time. Saw Monks of Doom a couple times too. This was the Key Lime Pie tour with the lovely Morgan Fichter filling in > for Jonathan. She surprisingly showed up a few years later with Jane's > Addiction at Lollapalooza here in the Bay Area. I was hoping she was > following me... *sigh*... That indoor CvB show was on the KLP tour with Fichter. I was totally entranced by her... I know everyone thinks Segel's all the shit violinwise...but (a) I liked her playing, both studio and onstage, plenty fine, and (b) Segel was often woefully out of tune, with iffy tone sometimes. Yes, those things did add a certain character...but sometimes that character was "ow my ears!" I also remember that version of CvB had David Immergluck on guitar...it pretty much mutated into Monks of Doom when Lowery (and...can't recall) left. I've sorta come to appreciate Cracker on its own merits, slightly at least, over the years...but at first it was like, great - Lowery embraces his inner redneck and leaves everything else he was as a lyricist behind. Particularly disappointing because I really liked many of the lyrics on KLP - some great yet open-ended storytelling there. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 22:44:06 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: x-files movie trailer On 7/1/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > Rex says: > > I cannot get interested in the X-Files film or any of the new, > much-lauded > > Batmen. Both franchises hit a brick wall for me, and I'm not ready to be > > nostalgic yet... > > > i'm wondering if you saw the most recent one, "batman begins" (this is > the christian bale one that kevin referred to.) IMO, it's the best of > the lot I will third or fourth or nth this recommendation. A few hokey moments - but by and large, tells a good story well. Hey Lauren - so is "God Bows to Math" your fave Minutemen tune? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:49:09 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Kunstler quotes "The Master" Rex says: > (B) Similarly, the phrase "this is not your father's (x)" just flashes > across my consciousness, and I realized that I have completely forgotten > where it originated, other than that it was once an earnest advertising > slogan. I think. see answer to (c). > (C) WTF *is* a "snowclone"? barbara soutar brought snowclones to the attention of the list, i believe. here's a link to the snowclone database: http://snowclones.org/ (in there, you might find the answer to (b).) and the wikipedia description: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowclone oh my, i had no idea that "X considered harmful" is considered to dijkstra's feelings about the GOTO statement. personally, i totally agree with dijkstra (they are PURE EVIL), but, regardless, i still laugh when someone makes fun of his seriousness of the matter. it's probably a nervous laugh. the software engineering professor recently told some anecdote about how a bunch of software engineers were asked if they would fly in an aircraft for which they had written the software. all but one said no. the one who said yes was asked about his reply, and he said he wouldn't worry because he knew that "his" aircraft would never even make it off the ground. as ever, lauren - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #646 ********************************