From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #622 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 4 2008 Volume 16 : Number 622 Today's Subjects: ----------------- perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet [Christopher Gross ] cwinkydink! [2fs ] Re: cwinkydink! ["Jason Brown" ] Re: cwinkydink! [2fs ] Re: cwinkydink! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] RE: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: cwinkydink! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] NEW on DiME:Robyn Hitchcock October 4, 1990 Tramps, New York City, NY [HwyCDRrev@aol.] Re: FBB [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - 1990-10-04 - Tramps, New York City, NY (AUD cassette master) [gaseous] Re: cwinkydink! [2fs ] Re: cwinkydink! [2fs ] Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - 1990-10-04 - Tramps, New York City, NY (AUD cassette master) [gas] Re: cwinkydink! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) [Rex ] Re: laughing lennie [Rex ] the perennial alphabetization geek thread returns! [2fs Subject: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet Is bit-torrent a verb yet? I recently bit-torrented a collection of 48 old hardcore punk singles. Every single one had the song title in the artist field, and vice versa. Grrr. It's enough to make you want to apply the toe of your Doc Marten to the seat of someone's ripped jeans. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:06:02 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet > Is bit-torrent a verb yet? I think torrent minus the bit is the preferred verb form especially considering BitTorrent Inc.'s deals with Hollywood content producers. That said i just torrented some early Grant Morrison comics form British publishers, weird stuff. - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:15:06 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Buttock (The Untold Story) - -- Stacked Crooked is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Juni 2008 09:13:52 -0700 regarding Buttock (The Untold Story): > on her new record, martha wainwright covers "See Emily Play". Huh, I hadn't even noticed that until now, because I only got through the first couple of songs or so. Not because it isn't any good, but because there's too much other music ... > meanwhile, her brother has a fun extended cameo in the new denys arcand > movie. the movie itself is pretty lame, i hate to say. arcand: when he's > on, he's *all the way* on; but when he's off, forget about it. the > canadian woody allen, i suppose one could say (though not nearly so > prolific). I loved "The Decline of the American Empire", "Jesus of Montreal" and "Love and Human Remains". The sequel to Decline, "The Barbarian Invasions", wasn't very good and his other movies never came out over here :-( Apropos Woody Allen: has anyone seen "Cassandra's Dream"? That one's coming out tomorrow ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:25:56 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Re: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet 2008/6/4 Christopher Gross : > Every single one had the song title in the artist > field, and vice versa. Grrr. It's a shell one-liner. id3v2 is your friend. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:05:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Stewart Russell wrote: >> Every single one had the song title in the artist >> field, and vice versa. Grrr. > > It's a shell one-liner. id3v2 is your friend. I've never edited tags outside of programs like iTunes and WinAmp. Is there a Dummies book for it, by any chance? - --Dummy Chris np FSOL, _SnakesSDN_ ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:07:06 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yucky band name On 6/4/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > jeff 2fs says: > > agreed. one of the thing that makes helvetica so nice is that it's > sort of invisible. it doesn't get it in the way. all those fancy > fonts are all so preoccupied with themselves; you can barely make out > the words. My problem isn't with fancy fonts - it's with (a) overused fancy fonts, and (b) lamely designed fancy fonts. oh, another thing that movie reminded me of: the grunge font (that > sort of unreadable static-y font that was cool in the movie "seven" > but horrible everywhere else it showed up.) i think that was the font > that got adopted by everyone who wished they had their very own fight > club. There were, of course, many more than one "grunge" fonts. There was a whole vogue for so-called "distressed" fonts in the '90s. It was cool for a while, but it got terribly cliched. That's the problem: a font becomes associated with (or is created to convey) a particular image or concept, and in some ways, becomes a victim of its own success in conveying that idea - because everyone uses it, and it becomes like that damned earworm song you cannot get out of your mind. Like, say, the gothy fonts used by Buffy (not the scripty one, that one with the crosses in the O's...). (You knew that, eventually, this, like any discussion, would come back to Buffy. It's a law of feg nature.) i think comic sans is standard-issue for any request posted on an > office refrigerator. it's good for any passive-agressive points one > wishes to make. > > the comic sans backlash: > http://bancomicsans.com/ > their slogan: "putting the sans in comic sans." i like when people > get all intense about things like fonts. even if i can't tell if > they're kind of kidding. Everyone must see this: > > > > Damn - I'm nearly as rambley as Lauren Elizabeth tonight. > > > oh, i do wish i had done away with my middle name on my gmail account > sooner. like before it happened. Sorry - didn't know you didn't just go by that. I will refer to you as "Lauren" or "softboygirl" or anything else you prefer. As long it's not something like "tinklybottom." I just don't want to know, in that case. xo > > p.s. to craigie* - what's the name of that joy division font guy? he > has some really nice stuff. i wish the joy division/new order fonts > were more usable; they're very lovely. some of them don't have lower > case letters, so, unfortunately, text longer than a word or two tends > to look like a traffic jam. I'm not Craigie (with or without capitalization or asterisk), but Peter Saville did most of those bands' design work. Don't know if he designed his own fonts or simply chose existing ones. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:30:30 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: cwinkydink! Picked up a couple of CDs today, which included the new ones from both Aimee Mann and Sam Phillips (haven't listened to either yet) - and I noticed that, curiously, the same musicians play on each. Not all of them - but there's considerable overlap. Also, for the geeks among us (that's funny - not a single feg just went away...): how the hell do you alphabetize the title of that Mann CD @#%$*! Smilers ? Any numerologists figured out if "235741" means anything (the unshifted versions of the comic-strip cursing in the title)? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:57:47 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: cwinkydink! On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Jason Brown wrote: > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, 2fs wrote: >> Also, for the geeks among us (that's funny - not a single feg just went >> away...): how the hell do you alphabetize the title of that Mann CD @#%$*! >> Smilers ? > > That's a silly question because the only way to organize CDs by artist > and then chronologically within artist. So Aimee Mann would go after > Magnetic Fields but before Matching Mole and the @#%$*! Smilers album > would go after The Forgotten Arm. > > -- > "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy > - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:18:43 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: cwinkydink! On 6/4/08, Jason Brown wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, 2fs wrote: > > Also, for the geeks among us (that's funny - not a single feg just went > > away...): how the hell do you alphabetize the title of that Mann CD > @#%$*! > > Smilers ? > > > That's a silly question because the only way to organize CDs by artist > and then chronologically within artist. So Aimee Mann would go after > Magnetic Fields but before Matching Mole and the @#%$*! Smilers album > would go after The Forgotten Arm. Of course - but let's say you were making a mix featuring songs from various albums in alpha order. Then you'd need to know. Dammit Chloe, I need to know now! (Sorry - thought I was Jack Bauer for a second.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 00:19:59 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: cwinkydink! - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Juni 2008 16:30:30 -0500 regarding cwinkydink!: > Also, for the geeks among us (that's funny - not a single feg just went > away...): how the hell do you alphabetize the title of that Mann CD @#%$*! > Smilers ? Well, the official title is just "Smilers", so I'd sort it like that. They figured the previous title would be commercial suicide. There's really only one way to pronounce that, and you can't say that on the radio, at least not in the US ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:14:22 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet > I've never edited tags outside of programs like iTunes and WinAmp. Is > there a Dummies book for it, by any chance? If you happen to be an admitted Windows user, ID3 TagIT lets you swap fields easily. Select file(s) -> Edit -> Swap Tag Ver X Entries. Forum here: http://id3tagit.freeforums.org Freeware download here: http://www.audio-toolz.de/download.php?id=70001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 18:56:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: perhaps the most annoying mp3 tag problem yet On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Brian Huddell wrote: >> I've never edited tags outside of programs like iTunes and WinAmp. Is >> there a Dummies book for it, by any chance? > > If you happen to be an admitted Windows user, ID3 TagIT lets you swap fields > easily. Select file(s) -> Edit -> Swap Tag Ver X Entries. Hmmm.... This could be the perfect opportunity to try out the cheap OEM copy of Parallels Desktop I picked up! - --Chris (about to go to Phoenix, but NOT in order to work for McCain) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 16:23:10 -0700 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: cwinkydink! jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: > Of course - but let's say you were making a mix featuring songs from various > albums in alpha order. I asked the fellow librarians in the office and the consensus answer was that you would most likely file those at the very top followed by numerals (Blur - 13) and then the letter A (Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes) and that you would treat all non-alphanumeric characters he same and would do any sorting within #$@%^ starting titles with the first alphanumeric (#1 Record and then @#%$*! Smilers). However, one could argue that you could sort a title like 16 Lovers Lane as Sixteen Lovers Lane and then carry over the logic over and sort @#%$*! Smilers as just Smilers. - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:35:33 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: cwinkydink! @#%$*! Smilers would be filed under "A" for ampersand plus it looks like an "A" In a message dated 6/4/2008 7:29:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ripvanruben@gmail.com writes: jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: > Of course - but let's say you were making a mix featuring songs from various > albums in alpha order. I asked the fellow librarians in the office and the consensus answer was that you would most likely file those at the very top followed by numerals (Blur - 13) and then the letter A (Guided By Voices - Alien Lanes) and that you would treat all non-alphanumeric characters he same and would do any sorting within #$@%^ starting titles with the first alphanumeric (#1 Record and then @#%$*! Smilers). However, one could argue that you could sort a title like 16 Lovers Lane as Sixteen Lovers Lane and then carry over the logic over and sort @#%$*! Smilers as just Smilers. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:46:20 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NEW on DiME:Robyn Hitchcock October 4, 1990 Tramps, New York City, NY http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199670 Robyn Hitchcock October 4, 1990 Tramps, New York City, NY This recording is a little rough with mic rustling and bumping here and there but nothing too terrible, particularly considering this was my second live recording ever! (Well, fourth if you count the Jody Grind who opened for Robyn this night and the prior evening at Tramps.) Except when I clapped too close to the mic or, ahem, yelled for "Swirling" and gave the autogain a fit, it's actually very listenable. Check out the mp3 sample to see if you want to give this one a whirl. The madelf also recorded this gig and I believe he'll Main Set: 01. banter - the room of the four phone boxes 02. Linctus House 03. banter - mic stand movement 04. Oceanside 05. banter - the discovery of electricity 06. Madonna of the Wasps 07. banter - let's all go surfing on each other 08. Queen of Eyes 09. Clean Steve 10. Glass Hotel 11. So You Think You're In Love 12. banter - there are many things a man may know about God 13. Raining Twilight Coast 14. Bass 15. Glass 16. Cynthia Mask 17. banter - arnold and his flying arm 18. I'm In Love With A Beautiful Girl First Encore: 19. banter - this section of the room 20. I've Got A Message For You 21. Birdshead 22. Wild Mountain Thyme 23. Oh Yeah Second Encore: 24. encore break 25. Shuffling Over The Flagstones 26. Surgery 27. September Cones Taped by that woj guy Source: Aiwa CM-S20 > Aiwa HS-J800 (mic in, autogain) > cassette master Transfer: CS(0) > JVC TD-W805 > Sony MDS-JE530 (A/D) > optical > Delta Dio 2496 > CD Wave (recording, tracking) > flac 1.1.1 (level 6) > .flac Notes: Tape flip at the end of track 12 Recorder paused before first encore at end of track 18 Tape flip during track 25 @ 0:33 **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:53:54 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: FBB >Mr. Tewes wrote: > >speaking of not-prolific directors! *Fabulous Baker Boys* is >absolutely one of my favourite movies (though > >haven't seen it in a while -- ought to attempt to discern how well it's >aged), so i was excited to see this one > > in the theater; but was pretty disappointed. saw it years later when >somebody was selling the laserdisc for a dollar >(or what), and liked it >a little better. perhaps i should check it out again. > >Being a jazz nut, I love *Fabulous Baker Boys*. The movie still holds up >for me despite being close to 20 years old. I really can't think of >another one like it. All of the characters seem very believable. Kudos >for Scarlett for trying out the music scene and releasing an album, but >I thought Michele Pfeiffer had a lot more vocal chops that she showed >off in FBB, yet for some reason she resisted the temptation to cut a >jazz album. Finally got this on DVD recently (cut-out bin, $6) after having it on fairly average recorded off TV tape for years - it still holds up as far as I'm concerned, too. I agree that the characterisations are probably what hold it together. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:05:00 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - 1990-10-04 - Tramps, New York City, NY (AUD cassette master) http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199670&hit=1 - ----- Forwarded message from DIME ----- A new torrent has been uploaded to DIME. Torrent: 199670 Title: Robyn Hitchcock - 1990-10-04 - Tramps, New York City, NY (AUD cassette master) Size: 619.34 MB Category: Psychedelic Uploaded by: woj Info hash: 48a6ffd217e083551c9387292c1a5cf6e5443d7b Description - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robyn Hitchcock October 4, 1990 Tramps, New York City, NY This recording is a little rough with mic rustling and bumping here and there but nothing too terrible, particularly considering this was my second live recording ever! (Well, fourth if you count the Jody Grind who opened for Robyn this night and the prior evening at Tramps.) Except when I clapped too close to the mic or, ahem, yelled for "Swirling" and gave the autogain a fit, it's actually very listenable. Check out the mp3 sample to see if you want to give this one a whirl. The madelf also recorded this gig and I believe he'll Main Set: 01. banter - the room of the four phone boxes 02. Linctus House 03. banter - mic stand movement 04. Oceanside 05. banter - the discovery of electricity 06. Madonna of the Wasps 07. banter - let's all go surfing on each other 08. Queen of Eyes 09. Clean Steve 10. Glass Hotel 11. So You Think You're In Love 12. banter - there are many things a man may know about God 13. Raining Twilight Coast 14. Bass 15. Glass 16. Cynthia Mask 17. banter - arnold and his flying arm 18. I'm In Love With A Beautiful Girl First Encore: 19. banter - this section of the room 20. I've Got A Message For You 21. Birdshead 22. Wild Mountain Thyme 23. Oh Yeah Second Encore: 24. encore break 25. Shuffling Over The Flagstones 26. Surgery 27. September Cones Taped by that woj guy Source: Aiwa CM-S20 > Aiwa HS-J800 (mic in, autogain) > cassette master Transfer: CS(0) > JVC TD-W805 > Sony MDS-JE530 (A/D) > optical > Delta Dio 2496 > CD Wave (recording, tracking) > flac 1.1.1 (level 6) > .flac Notes: Tape flip at the end of track 12 Recorder paused before first encore at end of track 18 Tape flip during track 25 @ 0:33 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:14:13 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: cwinkydink! On 6/4/08, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Juni > 2008 16:30:30 -0500 regarding cwinkydink!: > > Also, for the geeks among us (that's funny - not a single feg just went >> away...): how the hell do you alphabetize the title of that Mann CD @#%$*! >> Smilers ? >> > > Well, the official title is just "Smilers", so I'd sort it like that. They > figured the previous title would be commercial suicide. No, _Commercial Suicide_ was a Colin Newman solo album... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:16:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: cwinkydink! On 6/4/08, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > > @#%$*! Smilers would be filed under "A" for ampersand > plus it looks like an "A" Uh, no: first, that's not an ampersand but an 'at' sign - second, what it looks like is irrelevant. I mean, the numeral zero looks like an O, 1 looks like an I or a lower-case l, 3 vaguely like a script-y z, 4 like an upside-down, lower-case h, 5 vaguely S-like, 6 an upside-down lower-case g, 7 an upside-down L... In a message dated 6/4/2008 7:29:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ripvanruben@gmail.com writes: > > jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com wrote: > > Of course - but let's say you were making a mix featuring songs from > various > > albums in alpha order. > > I asked the fellow librarians in the office and the consensus answer > was that you would most likely file those at the very top followed by > numerals (Blur - 13) and then the letter A (Guided By Voices - Alien > Lanes) and that you would treat all non-alphanumeric characters he > same and would do any sorting within #$@%^ starting titles with the > first alphanumeric (#1 Record and then @#%$*! Smilers). > > However, one could argue that you could sort a title like 16 Lovers > Lane as Sixteen Lovers Lane and then carry over the logic over and > sort @#%$*! Smilers as just Smilers. > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:23:04 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock - 1990-10-04 - Tramps, New York City, NY (AUD cassette master) one time at band camp, gaseous clay (woj@smoe.org) said: >25. Shuffling Over The Flagstones interesting note (well, at least to me): the setlist for this show on robynbase does not have this song in the setlist: http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/gig.asp?chubb=345 that's probably because it's one of the earliest performance of this instrumental and nobody knew what it was called back then! http://www.jh3.com/robyn/base/song.asp?squid=552 also, i'll be uploading this to the live music archive soon as it gets seeded out some -- look for it up there by the end of the week. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:26:09 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: cwinkydink! oh - right (embarrassment icon) an ampersand is: & still - AT SIGN still starts with an "A" the title is EITHER At Number Percentage Dollar Asterisk Exclamation Point OR At Sign Tic Tac Toe Board Percentage Dollar Asterisk Exclamation Point either way it starts with "A" , as does Aimee actually @#%$*! could be a code for Aimee! In a message dated 6/4/2008 8:16:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: Uh, no: first, that's not an ampersand but an 'at' sign **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:42:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM, wrote: > in the 70s , neil young recorded an unreleased album > of songs with titles of famous songs already released by others > > i believe GREENSLEEVES and BORN TO RUN > were mentioned in a Rolling Stone article C 1978-9 Dude... I have *never fucking heard of this*. How can that be? And just *how many* unreleased records can one man have cut in the '70's? > > probable others that had appeared on other albums : > sail away > little wing > stupid girl > goin' back > too far gone > Lending credence to the whole idea, a lot of those songs do date to the same period, although their actual official releases cover about two decades. Adding dubiosity to it, most of those songs feel too well-crafted to have come out of a sorta jokey exercise. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:46:00 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Apropos: Aimee Mann YouTube Contest On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > Ten runners-up will receive an autographed copy of Aimeeb s new CD, @#%&*! > Smilers, Can anyone parse the album title for me? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:47:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: laughing lennie On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:32 AM, Stewart Russell wrote: > 2008/6/4 Caroline Smith : > > > > Leonard Cohen will be touring Canada, the UK and Europe in the next > > few months. If you're a fan, or just mildly curious, don't miss it! > > Dammit! I'll be at Midwest Banjo Camp all those Toronto dates. > > Do I get to show off my custom long neck banjo now? Oh, alright: > http://scruss.com/gallery/v/giraffe/?g2_page=3 > Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Rilly awesome. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:58:55 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: the perennial alphabetization geek thread returns! On 6/4/08, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > > > the title is EITHER At Number Percentage Dollar Asterisk Exclamation > Point > OR At Sign Tic Tac Toe Board Percentage Dollar Asterisk Exclamation > Point > > either way it starts with "A" , as does Aimee > > actually @#%$*! could be a code for Aimee! Intriguing theory... ;-) But I don't think any human ever in the history of the universe would render the title the ways you put it above. Probably the best solution is to treat the initial characters as graphic (non-alphabetic) elements, part of the title as visually presented, but not as spoken or as alphabetized. I mean, how do you alphabetize the title of Led Zeppelin's 4th album (which is simply those four symbols..the first of which is NOT, contrary to stoner belief, the letters "ZOSO")? You don't, really: you say that the album is untitled, and within the band's discography it is simply the 4th album. FWIW, in my own, old database system, it occurred to me that a self-titled album has the same title (essentially, an indexical symbol referring to the artist, really the equivalent of "Myself"), and so it's silly to alphabetize the album called _The Beatles_ near one end of the alphabet and the album called _Yes_ at the other: they're both self-titled. In the title field for those albums, I put :[s/t] - which simply indicated self-titled. The : is there so it didn't alphabetize among the "s" section. Therefore, all the self-titled albums alphabetized together. Doesn't solve what to do with Mann's album - if pressed, I'd probably just say file it under _Smilers_ as those letters are the initial *alphabetizable* characters presented. Actually I'm surprised no one's pointed out the obvious: all ASCII characters have an order in computer naming systems, and so another answer is: just follow that order. And that is also the practical locus of this alphabetization concern, as follows: to begin, is there a name for two different alphabetization systems I encounter, one of which is case-sensitive and files *all* capital letters before all lower-case letters, the other of which does not? This gives me grief: on CD-Rs full of miscellaneous tracks, I've settled on a system of grouping them into sets of 20 tracks, and within those 20 tracks, the order is simply alphabetical. Problem is, "alphabetical" as far as my database is concerned is case-insensitive; alphabetical as far as my car's CD player is concerned is case-sensitive (it just plays by alpha order by filename). So when I'm using the database to put together a playlist so I know what I'm hearing when I play the disc in the car, I have to be careful to manually move something by CSS (say) *ahead* of a track by Crooked Fingers (in fact, ahead of any other C-initial act except those whose second character is a capital letter earlier than S), even though my database puts it afterwards. Similarly, if I forget to change it and a filename begins with a lower-case letter, it'll end up playing after a filename beginning iwth capital Z - i.e., a segment of this alphabetical sequence runs X-Y-Z-a-b-c etc. I could bother to rename all the files consistently, or begin them with numbers (I do this if one of those CD-Rs contains a whole album - so it might be "01_Love for Tender.mp3", "02_Opportunity.mp3", "03_The Imposter.mp3" etc.) But I don't, usually. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #622 ********************************