From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #621 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 4 2008 Volume 16 : Number 621 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [Fude] Absinthe Gummi Bears ["kevin studyvin" ] Notes (Hitchcock-free) ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) [Jeff Dwarf ] Robyn Hitchcock at World Cafe Live! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: yucky band name [Rex ] Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] laughing lennie [Caroline Smith ] Re: yucky band name [2fs ] Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: yucky band name [2fs ] Eric and other assorted Clapton sightings... [Michael Sweeney ] Apropos: Aimee Mann YouTube Contest [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Toronto REM show? ["m swedene" ] Buttock (The Untold Story) ["Stacked Crooked" ] RE: Buttock (The Untold Story) ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Buttock (The Untold Story) ["(0% rh)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:38:35 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: [Fude] Absinthe Gummi Bears YES! Too bad I'm not on the appropriate coast... On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:36 PM, FSThomas wrote: > Lord, they sounds good. > > http://tinyurl.com/44x4k4 > > http://www.urbandaddy.com/nyc/1350/Absinthe_Gummi_Bears_New_York_City_NYC_Served_Up_UrbanDaddy_Archives ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:54:46 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Notes (Hitchcock-free) 1. To revisit a recent thread, have just noticed that CCR's fab Green River clocks in at a mere 28:47. 2. Just looking at some stills from forthcoming Hellboy II and I have to ask: why exactly does Liz need a gun? np Terje Rypdal/Miroslav Vitous/Jack Dejohnette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:51:20 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) > Uh-anycow...that reminds me of a not-yet-executed mixlist idea (old enough > that originally it was a mix tape idea, then a mix CD idea...): which was > songs with the same title as much more famous songs but which are not those > songs (or even based on them to any audible degree). For some reason, Pere > Ubu does that a lot. Which made me wonder whether Robyn had ever done that, given that his titles are often a little off-kilter, shall we say. Ic ame up with the following: "Tonight" (not Bowie/Iggy) "The Fly" (not U2) "America" (not Simon & Garfunkel) "Heaven" (not Talking Heads) "Love" (not John Lennon) Any I missed? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) On Tue, 6/3/08, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > Uh-anycow...that reminds me of a not-yet-executed mixlist idea (old > > enough that originally it was a mix tape idea, then a mix CD > > idea...): which was songs with the same title as much more famous > > songs but which are not those songs (or even based on them to any > > audible degree). For some reason, Pere Ubu does that a lot. > > Which made me wonder whether Robyn had ever done that, given that his > titles are often a little off-kilter, shall we say. I came up with > the following: > > "Tonight" (not Bowie/Iggy) > "The Fly" (not U2) Of course, unlike the others here, Robyn's predates U2's. > "America" (not Simon & Garfunkel) > "Heaven" (not Talking Heads) > "Love" (not John Lennon) > > Any I missed? The Devil's Radio (not George Harrison) Child of the Universe (not The Byrds) This is How it Feels (not Inspiral Carpets) "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:21:35 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: yucky band name band name is: Bitter:Sweet oh, that's just horrid. (saw name on dime, here's a link if you're intrigued:) http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=199556 xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:57:43 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Robyn Hitchcock at World Cafe Live! Robyn Hitchcock Thursday, July 17 b" 7:30pm Artists Website Robyn Hitchcock's gorgeous and off-kilter melodies have been a key influence in England's alternative pop. With his latest release, Ole! Tarantula, Hitchcock has created what he calls, "the rockingest record I've made in years." While the album roars with the garage-fueled energy of his Soft Boys days, Hitchcock's lyricism continues to drive his songs. The New York Times says, "[His songs] bridge the psychedelia of Pink Floyd's Syd Barrett and the archetypal English 'nonsense' of Edward Lear," and Rolling Stone says, "Robyn Hitchcock's songs are a lot like the genetic code: they're tough to crack, but the secret of life is in there somewhere." **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 20:58:06 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: yucky band name On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:21 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > band name is: > Bitter:Sweet > > oh, that's just horrid. > You know, I was this close to posting the exact same thing today. But I only *heard* the name and thought it sucked-- I didn't even know about the punctuation atrocity. The reviews write themselves though-- 'Bitter:Sweet -> This Band:A Good One" and so forth. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:55:24 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) in the 70s , neil young recorded an unreleased album of songs with titles of famous songs already released by others i believe GREENSLEEVES and BORN TO RUN were mentioned in a Rolling Stone article C 1978-9 probable others that had appeared on other albums : sail away little wing stupid girl goin' back too far gone In a message dated 6/3/2008 8:03:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grutness@slingshot.co.nz writes: > Uh-anycow...that reminds me of a not-yet-executed mixlist idea (old enough > that originally it was a mix tape idea, then a mix CD idea...): which was > songs with the same title as much more famous songs but which are not those > songs (or even based on them to any audible degree). For some reason, Pere > Ubu does that a lot. Which made me wonder whether Robyn had ever done that, given that his titles are often a little off-kilter, shall we say. Ic ame up with the following: "Tonight" (not Bowie/Iggy) "The Fly" (not U2) "America" (not Simon & Garfunkel) "Heaven" (not Talking Heads) "Love" (not John Lennon) Any I missed? **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 00:06:40 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: laughing lennie Hello international fegs! Leonard Cohen will be touring Canada, the UK and Europe in the next few months. If you're a fan, or just mildly curious, don't miss it! I saw one of his pre-tour shows tonight in Hamilton, Canada. It was un- freaking-believable. I think I had tears in my eyes throughout the whole show. Sadness in the first half, joy in the second. It was a really, truly humbling experience. http://www.leonardcohen.com/tour.cgi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 23:28:04 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yucky band name On 6/3/08, Rex wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:21 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > > > band name is: > > Bitter:Sweet > > > > oh, that's just horrid. > > But I only *heard* the name and thought it sucked-- I didn't even know > about > the punctuation atrocity. You all knew I'd weigh in on this, right? Anyway: some of you might have read my recent blog entry, wherein I tallied the entrants in an Intel-sponsored unsigned band contest. About 30% of the bands played typographic games with their names. So much for the "we're just trying to stand out" argument. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 07:11:06 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!) - -- Jeff Dwarf is rumored to have mumbled on 3. Juni 2008 16:57:23 -0700 regarding Re: no not that guy Mix CD (actual RH content!): > Child of the Universe (not The Byrds) To me it's not Barclay James Harvest. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:43:05 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: yucky band name 2fs says: > You all knew I'd weigh in on this, right? it was, indeed, jeff-bait. > Anyway: some of you might have read my recent blog entry, wherein I tallied > the entrants in an Intel-sponsored unsigned band contest. > > About 30% of the bands played typographic games with their names. > > So much for the "we're just trying to stand out" argument. i enjoyed the statistics, but...need more bad band name examples!!!! oh, also, jeff: have you been watching the helvetica documentary again? (http://spanghew.blogspot.com/2008/06/gee-baby-g.html) actually, i had watched about half of it a few months back, and had thought i'd get my father to watch it with me (he's in the printing business.) well, that never happened, and i finally watched the second half of it a few nights ago. why can't regular t.v. just be like the helvetica documentary? even like a few hours a week? my absolutely favourite part was the guy who excitedly took the trip back to the hellish typesetting of what was e.g. 1950s life magazine, and pointed all the multi-coloured, script-y, exclamation-point-ladden adverts. he got so thrilled describing how a company must have felt like getting its letterhead redesigned in the modness and clarity of 1960s type. another great part was the designer who blamed the vietnam war on helvetica (in case you're wondering, helvetica was also to blame for the iraqi war.) one thing i liked about the documentary is how it showed that people are rather divided on whether helvetica is freeing or enslaving. i tend to be of the mind to just use a clean, legible typeface, and be done with it -- on to the important things in life (i.e. math, and watching reruns of battlestar galactica.) but other people find the ubiquity of helvetica sort of depersonalizing, like it strips all the humanity out of what it touches. i guess it's kind of like shopping for clothes. some people go for the white t-shirts, and others go for the boutique. personally, my dream job has always involved a lab coat. i mean, why the hell wouldn't anyone want to get to wear a *lab coat* to work? you can personalize underneath, if that's your thing, and, most importantly, you always have two big pockets. oh, re: tv: our PBS stations runs like long-distance class television late at night. they teach spanish, or french, or how to write an essay, sometimes they get all adventurous and have a show about personality disorders or some other psychology topic. i guess it's not all that surprising that this programming is generally more interesting than most television that's on, but it doesn't make it any less pathetic. in personal type-related news, i just started a(nother) logic class last week, and the book has a convention using both cursive uppercase letters and regular (not cursive) letters to stand for differently important things. now, i'm used to distinguishing things by either just the letter (i.e. using a,b,c for variables, and x,y,z for variables) or by regular letter vs. greek letter (e.g. a,b,c vs. alpha, beta, gamma.) so i'm used to both the case and print vs. script not mattering. the point of this paragraph just being that i wish like beautiful, typeset script letters flowed from my pencil, but instead, i can only say my script As, Bs, Cs, and Ds make my problem sets look like the work of a 2nd-grader. i haven't written cursive letters for so long (and in the book, these letters are written in a grandly cursive style, with lots of graceful, flowing arcs.) i actually practiced writing my alphabet, so my work doesn't look so, uh, "special". and, okay, i should really like *pay* anyone who answers this question, but i started using latex awhile back and i'm not all that savvy. does anyone know the best way to do a multiline equation? this is what i have (not asking for specifics, just showing how i do a two-line equation): \begin{multline} \text{{CL3}} \, \vdash \, \ada x \ada y \ade z (x + y = z) \mlc \forall x \forall y (x \cdot S(y)) = ((x \cdot y) + x) \longrightarrow\\ \boxed {\ada y} \big(\ada x \ade z (x \cdot y = z) \rightarrow \ada x \ade z (x \cdot S(y) = z)\big) \qquad \text{(S) \checkmark \, Rule \textbf{A} from \{ \eqref{eq:IndLemma8} \} } \qquad \label{eq:IndLemma9} \end{multline} the multiline works fine for two-line equations, but i have to change back and forth when i have a two-line equation and a one-line equation. my teacher said he uses the "array" command, but i don't know how to get the "justification" to flush right, and he flew the coop for the summer. i've looked at several basic formats for equations (equation, align, eqnarray) but all seem to be good for certain aspects and not for others. i've basically got single or multi-line equations with justifications and equations number (uh, kind of like a proof.) oh my, i have to end this post. i should probably break this into two or three posts to make myself look a little more sane. oh well. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 01:16:49 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: yucky band name On 6/4/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > > i enjoyed the statistics, but...need more bad band name examples!!!! An old one: An Emotional Fish. That's like fifteen flavors of huh, none of which rise to the level of minimal rats'-ass-giving: why "an" emotional fish? how is a fish emotional? why care? And if a fish were emotional, why would we want to listen to it? oh, also, jeff: have you been watching the helvetica documentary again? > (http://spanghew.blogspot.com/2008/06/gee-baby-g.html) Nah - but you know I'm a bit of a font geek. > absolutely favourite part was the guy who excitedly took the trip back > to the hellish typesetting of what was e.g. 1950s life magazine, and > pointed all the multi-coloured, script-y, exclamation-point-ladden > adverts. he got so thrilled describing how a company must have felt > like getting its letterhead redesigned in the modness and clarity of > 1960s type. True enough - but I like that old stuff, too. Precisely because the flavors are so very different. It's like, you can look at a very clean, modern room, and admire its sleekness, purity of line, starkness of materials...and then you can turn around and love a Victorian room full of bric-a-brac covering every square millimeter. another great part was the designer who blamed the vietnam war on > helvetica (in case you're wondering, helvetica was also to blame for > the iraqi war.) Obviously. (She was 1/3 joking, of course...) one thing i liked about the documentary is how it showed that people > are rather divided on whether helvetica is freeing or enslaving. i > tend to be of the mind to just use a clean, legible typeface, and be > done with it -- on to the important things in life (i.e. math, and > watching reruns of battlestar galactica.) but other people find the > ubiquity of helvetica sort of depersonalizing, like it strips all the > humanity out of what it touches. In yet another recent blog entry, I was complaining (yes, if I'd stopped the sentence here it would apply to most entries...) about some problems computers have brought - primarily by making it easier for thoughtless morons to put their thoughtlessness into form - such as having to experience the same small handful of prefab fonts everywhichwhere. But to me there's a difference between something like Helvetica - which although ubiquitous is also plain and severe enough to not call attention to itself...it's just a sans serif font, and it's either that or a serif font, you know? - and annoyances like Papyrus, Mistral, and the dreaded Comic Sans (whose designer, reading between the lines of his blog - can't find it now, someone else had linked to it a few weeks back - seems to regret its ever having been made into a full-fledged font, which wasn't what he made it for) which *pretend* to be distinctive while in fact being utterly generic and obnoxious in their lazy ubiquity. A commenter brought up the usual inane associations of the couple-three similar fonts used by lame-ass "Mexican" restaurants...to which I added similar ethnic stereotypes of "Asian" fonts, "Celtic" fonts, etc. Does anyone still use that font now glimpsed almost solely at the bottom of checks to connote "futureness"? Pretty much one of those ironic situations whereby what was once future instead connotes the past: its time of creation having taken over the time it was intended to suggest. Kinda like how guys in '50s movies playing ancient Romans all look like guys in the '50s. Something like. Damn - I'm nearly as rambley as Lauren Elizabeth tonight. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:47:01 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Eric and other assorted Clapton sightings... ...and he wasn't too damn bad as the shut-up-(and-smoke)-and-play lead guitarist on the first Roger Waters solo tour I caught back in '83 (I think the year was -- at the Rosemont Horizon just outside of Chicago), but...also: A) We covered that before, didn't we? (including at least another -- or 2 other? -- Chicago-area Feggy co-attendees to that show); B) I also attended that oft-echoing cavernous stadium's inaugural show with the F. Mac "Tusk" tour in spring '80; and C) Of course, it took me until much later to fully suss just how much Mr. Waters' LP flogged about that tour REALLY SUCKED...(I'm not sure I have ever experienced an album that I thought I recalled liking quite so much but then realizing I never wanted to hear it again until I re-heard "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" last year...) ... But, as is my wont, I digress... Michael "...And, yes -- 'How Soon Is Now?' is an EXCELLENTLY po-mo Bo Diddley song..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy 5 GB of free, password-protected online storage. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_s kydrive_062008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:53:57 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: movie talk - --On 3. Juni 2008 09:14:47 -0400 "(0% rh)" wrote: > p.s. to sebastian: you mentioned the new aimee mann album. it's just > being released to-day in the U.S. has it grown on you at all? Well, it's grown on me in that I can hum along with the songs, but it's still a disappointment. The problem is that it sounds too similar to her last few records. Parts of the new songs remind me of specific parts of other songs of hers. That can happen with anyone, e.g. Neil Young or even that quirky guy Robyn Hitchcock, but in her case it seems too sameish to me. I still *like* the songs, because that's just a style of music I like, but it's nothing I can get excited over anymore. > i'm > sure i'll get it fairly soon, especially since since she's actually > stopping in philadelphia (two nights, even) for her tour this summer > (i think her first stop here in a few years.) No European tour dates yet ... I'll definitely go if she comes here, though. > i was just listening to > "the forgotten arm" yesterday. i really like that one (but i'd say > that about any of her albums.) Sure, but isn't even that a bit of a letdown compared to her previous records? I loved "Lost In Space", but in my mind it's been downhill since. And the records from the 90s sound really different, whereas the last three seem more alike, even though the new one has more orchestration. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 10:07:00 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Apropos: Aimee Mann YouTube Contest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGUt7ropzNA Your Chance to Sing with Aimee Mann Aimee Mannbs fans have been singing along with her songs at shows and at home for years. Now Aimee is now giving these fans, and anyone else, a chance to sing with her live. All they need to do is video tape themselves singing Aimee Mannbs new song bFreeway,b from her upcoming CD @#%&*! Smilers, and upload it to YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/group/aimeemanncontest Aimee Mann and SuperEgo Records will view and pick their favorites. The top winner will have an opportunity to sing live with Aimee at one of her upcoming shows! Ten runners-up will receive an autographed copy of Aimeebs new CD, @#%&*! Smilers, and all finalists will be considered for a music category spotlight on YouTube. The contest starts June 4th and submissions must be received by July 7th. Entrants can get the lyrics, the instrumental version of bFreewayb and contest details at: http://www.aimeemann.com/freewaycontest/ - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:32:44 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Re: laughing lennie 2008/6/4 Caroline Smith : > > Leonard Cohen will be touring Canada, the UK and Europe in the next > few months. If you're a fan, or just mildly curious, don't miss it! Dammit! I'll be at Midwest Banjo Camp all those Toronto dates. Do I get to show off my custom long neck banjo now? Oh, alright: http://scruss.com/gallery/v/giraffe/?g2_page=3 - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:43:43 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: Toronto REM show? Any fellow FEGS making it to the REM show this weekend in Toronto? I will be traveling up there for it. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:13:52 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Buttock (The Untold Story) on her new record, martha wainwright covers "See Emily Play". not a patch on robyn's version, but points for trying! i don't care too much for the disc as a whole; though one song is *really* great, and her voice is in very fine form indeed. ...so it may grow on me. meanwhile, her brother has a fun extended cameo in the new denys arcand movie. the movie itself is pretty lame, i hate to say. arcand: when he's on, he's *all the way* on; but when he's off, forget about it. the canadian woody allen, i suppose one could say (though not nearly so prolific). <"flesh and bone" (on dvd) - that's like the fourth time i've seen it, and i love it just as much each time.> speaking of not-prolific directors! *Fabulous Baker Boys* is absolutely one of my favourite movies (though haven't seen it in a while -- ought to attempt to discern how well it's aged), so i was excited to see this one in the theater; but was pretty disappointed. saw it years later when somebody was selling the laserdisc for a dollar (or what), and liked it a little better. perhaps i should check it out again. (scroll down) explains that he's got two movies on the brew -- although IMDB lists a completely *different* one in production. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:51:48 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Buttock (The Untold Story) Mr. Tewes wrote: >speaking of not-prolific directors! *Fabulous Baker Boys* is absolutely one of my favourite movies (though >haven't seen it in a while -- ought to attempt to discern how well it's aged), so i was excited to see this one > in the theater; but was pretty disappointed. saw it years later when somebody was selling the laserdisc for a dollar >(or what), and liked it a little better. perhaps i should check it out again. Being a jazz nut, I love *Fabulous Baker Boys*. The movie still holds up for me despite being close to 20 years old. I really can't think of another one like it. All of the characters seem very believable. Kudos for Scarlett for trying out the music scene and releasing an album, but I thought Michele Pfeiffer had a lot more vocal chops that she showed off in FBB, yet for some reason she resisted the temptation to cut a jazz album. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:09:54 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: yucky band name jeff 2fs says: >> another great part was the designer who blamed the vietnam war on >> helvetica (in case you're wondering, helvetica was also to blame for >> the iraqi war.) > > Obviously. (She was 1/3 joking, of course...) but it was still funny. > In yet another recent blog entry, I was complaining (yes, if I'd stopped the > sentence here it would apply to most entries...) about some problems > computers have brought - primarily by making it easier for thoughtless > morons to put their thoughtlessness into form - such as having to experience > the same small handful of prefab fonts everywhichwhere. But to me there's a > difference between something like Helvetica - which although ubiquitous is > also plain and severe enough to not call attention to itself...it's just a > sans serif font, and it's either that or a serif font, you know? - and > annoyances like Papyrus, Mistral, and the dreaded Comic Sans (whose > designer, reading between the lines of his blog - can't find it now, someone > else had linked to it a few weeks back - seems to regret its ever having > been made into a full-fledged font, which wasn't what he made it for) which > *pretend* to be distinctive while in fact being utterly generic and > obnoxious in their lazy ubiquity. agreed. one of the thing that makes helvetica so nice is that it's sort of invisible. it doesn't get it in the way. all those fancy fonts are all so preoccupied with themselves; you can barely make out the words. oh, another thing that movie reminded me of: the grunge font (that sort of unreadable static-y font that was cool in the movie "seven" but horrible everywhere else it showed up.) i think that was the font that got adopted by everyone who wished they had their very own fight club. i think comic sans is standard-issue for any request posted on an office refrigerator. it's good for any passive-agressive points one wishes to make. the comic sans backlash: http://bancomicsans.com/ their slogan: "putting the sans in comic sans." i like when people get all intense about things like fonts. even if i can't tell if they're kind of kidding. > Does anyone still use that font now glimpsed almost solely at the bottom of > checks to connote "futureness"? Pretty much one of those ironic situations > whereby what was once future instead connotes the past: its time of creation > having taken over the time it was intended to suggest. Kinda like how guys > in '50s movies playing ancient Romans all look like guys in the '50s. > Something like. that font kind of reminds me of hal. > Damn - I'm nearly as rambley as Lauren Elizabeth tonight. oh, i do wish i had done away with my middle name on my gmail account sooner. like before it happened. xo p.s. to craigie* - what's the name of that joy division font guy? he has some really nice stuff. i wish the joy division/new order fonts were more usable; they're very lovely. some of them don't have lower case letters, so, unfortunately, text longer than a word or two tends to look like a traffic jam. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:22:35 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Buttock (The Untold Story) Stacked Crooked says: > <"flesh and bone" (on dvd) - that's like the fourth time i've seen it, and > i love it just as much each time.> > > speaking of not-prolific directors! *Fabulous Baker Boys* is absolutely > one of my favourite movies (though haven't seen it in a while -- ought to > attempt to discern how well it's aged), so i was excited to see this one in > the theater; but was pretty disappointed. saw it years later when somebody > was selling the laserdisc for a dollar (or what), and liked it a little > better. perhaps i should check it out again. not that i don't recommend your watching it again, but i wouldn't be surprised if it weren't your thing. it's certainly a case of style over substance, and it's fairly hollywood. i don't really know why i love it so much. it's probably just all the portent. well, that, and the chickens that play tic-tac-toe. i've meant to see "the fabulous baker boys" -- i had an aunt who adored that movie. while i'm thinking of it, i'll add it to the netq. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #621 ********************************