From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #614 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 29 2008 Volume 16 : Number 614 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #612 [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #612 ["kevin studyvin" ] The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away ["Benjamin Lukoff" ] Re: Draw yourself as a teen [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #613 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Draw yourself as a teen ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Draw yourself as a teen [Rex ] MMT EP [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: MMT EP [2fs ] i am eddie's brain ["(0% rh)" ] Re: i am eddie's brain [Rex ] Re: i am eddie's brain ["(0% rh)" ] Re: i am eddie's brain ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: i am eddie's brain [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: i am eddie's brain [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: i am eddie's brain [Tom Clark ] If I *were* to draw myself as a teen... [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:29:32 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #612 On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:39 AM, 2fs wrote: > On 5/28/08, Rex wrote: > > Yeah - but I'm guessing most people don't really think of the meaning of > the terms, or their connotations...if they're even aware what "EP" stands > for (or were aware what "LP" stood for - interesting how "EP" has survived > the transition to CDs, whereas "LP" hasn't). > For sure. I think that the EP has even gained a certain credibility amongst musicians since the late '70's and early '80's when a lot of well-known acts debuted with "EP's" because, well, they were cheaper to make, but they kind of took on a reputation of their own as noble introductory salvos of the DIY variety. (I've been thinking about this a lot lately since my band is finally going to actually release some recordings, so I sat down and charted out the material and it seems like a pair of introductory EP's, release about six months apart, is a good start. They're cheap, easy to digest, and you can sell 'em together for a discount or whatever.) > And of course, a "long-player" is long only in relation to another > outmoded medium, the 78 rpm 12-inch record. > But it also applies, a little less precisely since the sizes don't match, to the fact that an album is longer than an 7" single. Equally weird is the term 12"... it's obviously a truncation of "12" single" to differentiate it from the 7" kind, but dropping the word "single" just leaves you with a term that just as accurately describes an LP. And it gives you one more damned thing to worry about in your iTunes tags-- I tend to tag things like "12" single"* and "Cassingle" onto things I've digitized from said sources, particularly when the material differs between the singles on the various formats (cf. all techno releases). - -Rex Broome, guitar and vocals, Snakes and Rays ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:18:37 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #612 > > Ah, those crazy Beatles! > > I thought it was a double EP in the UK, with three songs on each disc > (the US just putting those 6 songs on one side, and putting 5 other > then-recent vintage non-album tracks on the other (SFF, PL, AYNIS, > HG, & BYARM). > > Which reminds me of the debut Wild Things By the Creatures, another one of those anomalous deals with two 7-inchers in a double-pocket with a lot of photos of Siouxsie & Budgie in the shower that were just that little bit creepy. The music was pretty fun though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:23:39 -0700 From: "Benjamin Lukoff" Subject: The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away Rex wrote, re "Magical Mystery Tour" coming out in Britain as two 7-inches: "Really? I thought the CD reissues hewed to the British original releases. Is the MMM CD then an abberation?" Yep. This time the American version made more sense. And, of course, hewing to the British releases meant they had to create both volumes of "Past Masters," too, to get (almost) everything in album form. Wonder why they didn't release "Yellow Submarine" as two 7-inches as well. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:25:03 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: EP discussion (MMT) it was eventually released in the UK in the 70s (it was an enormously popular import ) there was an outrage when it wasn't released on CD after Sgt Pepper if you notice - it was reissued after the White Album In a message dated 5/28/2008 11:40:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, spottedeagleray@gmail.com writes: Really? I thought the CD reissues hewed to the British original releases. Is the MMM CD then an abberation? **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:35:43 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away Yellow Sub EP WAS considered, possibly with Across The Universe it's in Lewison's Book - but no time to look it up now In a message dated 5/28/2008 2:32:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blukoff@alvord.com writes: Rex wrote, re "Magical Mystery Tour" coming out in Britain as two 7-inches: "Really? I thought the CD reissues hewed to the British original releases. Is the MMM CD then an abberation?" Yep. This time the American version made more sense. And, of course, hewing to the British releases meant they had to create both volumes of "Past Masters," too, to get (almost) everything in album form. Wonder why they didn't release "Yellow Submarine" as two 7-inches as well. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:46:28 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > Rex wrote, re "Magical Mystery Tour" coming out in Britain as two 7-inches: > "Really? I thought the CD reissues hewed to the British > original releases. Is the MMM CD then an abberation?" > > Yep. This time the American version made more sense. And, of course, hewing > to the British releases meant they had to create both volumes of "Past > Masters," too, to get (almost) everything in album form. "Past Masters 2" is probably at least my fourth-favorite Beatles "album". "Rain", man (no film reference intended). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:24:59 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:46 PM To: Benjamin Lukoff Cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > Rex wrote, re "Magical Mystery Tour" coming out in Britain as two 7-inches: > >"Really? I thought the CD reissues hewed to the British original > >releases. Is the MMM CD then an abberation?" > > >Yep. This time the American version made more sense. And, of course, > >hewing to the British releases meant they had to create both volumes > >of "Past Masters," too, to get (almost) everything in album form. >"Past Masters 2" is probably at least my fourth-favorite Beatles "album". >"Rain", man (no film reference intended). Speaking of 1988 movies about autistic savants or slow folk, I always thought Dominick and Eugene was a much better movie then precipitation man. Ray Liotta and Tom Hulce portraying two brothers were great in it, two of the two better acting performances of 1988. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:07:25 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to take you away > Speaking of 1988 movies about autistic savants or slow folk, I always > thought Dominick and Eugene was a much better movie then precipitation > man. Ray Liotta and Tom Hulce portraying two brothers were great in it, > two of the two better acting performances of 1988. > > Michael B. > Yeah, whatever happened to Tom Hulce? Haven't seen him since Coppola's Frankenstein suckfest.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:48:03 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Draw yourself as a teen Some of you might be interested in this item on the linesandcolors site: "The suggestion was simple: challenge: draw yourself as a teen, supplemented with if you are still a teen, draw your future post-teen self. Word has gotten around, as people have participated and posted the results on their own sites and blogs, and the list on Valeza's blog is now over 400 links and growing. Some of the participants have done then and now versions, in which their teenage self is contrasted with their current identity, complete with notations on hairstyle, clothing choice and attendant paraphernalia like sketchbooks, music players and reading matter. Some of the drawings are more accomplished than others, of course, but many are quite well done; and even the less sophisticated drawings are often enlivened with wry observations and remarkably self-confessional critiques of former (and present) selves." http://www.linesandcolors.com/2008/05/27/draw-yourself-as-a-teen/ Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:13:02 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Draw yourself as a teen On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Barbara Soutar > Some of the participants have done then and now versions, in which their > teenage self is contrasted with their current identity, complete with > notations on hairstyle, clothing choice and attendant paraphernalia like > sketchbooks, music players and reading matter. > Kinda neat, but if I learned one thing from the random bunch I looked at it was that folks in their '20's these days are mighty self-satisfied... sometimes for some odd reasons. The really interesting bit will be if they hafta repeat the exercise in another ten years. And the idea that there are people in the world now who've already grown out of their emo phase makes me feel... well, not young. Not quite ready to go piss on a pile of hotel towels, but not young. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 10:52:03 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #613 HwyCDRrev@aol.com thusly spake: >I thought it was a double EP in the UK, with three songs on each disc >(the US just putting those 6 songs on one side, and putting 5 other >then-recent vintage non-album tracks on the other (SFF, PL, AYNIS, >HG, & BYARM). "All you need is snakes", perchance? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:34:12 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Draw yourself as a teen > Kinda neat, but if I learned one thing from the random bunch I looked at it > was that folks in their '20's these days are mighty self-satisfied... > sometimes for some odd reasons. > Always have been, always will be. I know I was an insufferable little snot at that age, and I did not lack for company. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:07:22 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Draw yourself as a teen On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:34 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Kinda neat, but if I learned one thing from the random bunch I looked at >> it >> was that folks in their '20's these days are mighty self-satisfied... >> sometimes for some odd reasons. >> > > > Always have been, always will be. I know I was an insufferable little snot > at that age, and I did not lack for company. > Hmmm... the only thing I remember being really sure of in my mid-twenties was that I didn't know shit. And I was right about that. I'm not sure I know anything more now... but I hope I've learned a little bit about what is and isn't worth worrying about. Also that almost everyone is mentally ill, and the ones who have admitted it to themselves and tried to deal in one way or another are really the only ones you can trust (or, for that matter, with whom you can have a useful conversation). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:42:40 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: MMT EP thusly snake ? In a message dated 5/28/2008 6:54:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, grutness@slingshot.co.nz writes: HwyCDRrev@aol.com thusly spake: >I thought it was a double EP in the UK, with three songs on each disc >(the US just putting those 6 songs on one side, and putting 5 other >then-recent vintage non-album tracks on the other (SFF, PL, AYNIS, >HG, & BYARM). "All you need is snakes", perchance? **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:28:19 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: MMT EP On 5/28/08, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > > thusly snake ? Thus Snake Zarathustra... ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:57:59 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: i am eddie's brain whoops, i accidentally rented a documentary on "peak oil". it was called "the end of suburbia", and was quite well done. it was fairly grim, although the directors tried to give it a sort of surprise (not-so-grim) ending**. actually, it was less depressing than i thought it would be (although it occurs to me that this is likely more of a comment on my internal brain state than on the movie.) i liked the bonus feature 1950s-era petroleum association cartoon where the martians learn that OIL + CAPITALISM = a successful planet. but now i ask: why do martians wear space helmets on their own planet? as ever, lauren ** i tried to say "happy ending" here, and realized, sadly, i can no longer use that phrase without hearing the accompanying post-modern beavis-style laugh. so it goes. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:24:04 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: i am eddie's brain On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:57 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > > i liked the bonus feature 1950s-era petroleum association cartoon > where the martians learn that OIL + CAPITALISM = a successful planet. > but now i ask: why do martians wear space helmets on their own > planet? Step 5: PROFIT!!! but now i ask: why do martians wear space helmets on their own planet? Possibility 1: Fashion. Possibility 2: Mars is ecologically ruined because of the criminal Martian underuse of fossil fuel. - -Rex "It's made out of MARTIANS!" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:33:35 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: i am eddie's brain Rex says: >> but now i ask: why do martians wear space helmets on their own planet? > > Possibility 1: Fashion. > Possibility 2: Mars is ecologically ruined because of the criminal Martian > underuse of fossil fuel. now i'm thinking that maybe they didn't have helmets and that i'm only thinking they had helmets because they all looked like the great gazoo (is that right?) except the martiains are yellow and gazzo, i believe, is green. but maybe gazoo didn't wear a helmet either. i'm so confused. sometimes i hate how the internet is only one less excuse not to know something. btw, if the flintstones ever jumped the shark, gazoo is surely to blame. what the frak was "his deal"? xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:34:12 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: i am eddie's brain > i liked the bonus feature 1950s-era petroleum association cartoon > where the martians learn that OIL + CAPITALISM = a successful planet. > but now i ask: why do martians wear space helmets on their own > planet? > Some may remember the 1970's comic strip Odd Bodkins by Dan O'Neill in which it was revealed that the Martians wanted to take over the Earth but couldn't breathe the air here since theirs was mostly gasoline, hence cars, hence smog. That was a great strip. O'Neill was a cynic before it was fashionable. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:04:01 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: i am eddie's brain On May 28, 2008, at 11:34 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: >> i liked the bonus feature 1950s-era petroleum association cartoon >> where the martians learn that OIL + CAPITALISM = a successful planet. >> but now i ask: why do martians wear space helmets on their own >> planet? >> > > Some may remember the 1970's comic strip Odd Bodkins by Dan O'Neill > in which > it was revealed that the Martians wanted to take over the Earth but > couldn't > breathe the air here since theirs was mostly gasoline, hence cars, > hence > smog. That was a great strip. O'Neill was a cynic before it was > fashionable. I was just telling a Dan O'Neill story the other day. The one about when he chain sawed his editors desk in half at the SF Chronicle. Ah the 70s, when you could walk in to a corporate building holding a chain saw and fire it up in the elevator and no one would stop you... - - c ************************************** Questions are a burden for others. Answers are a prison for oneself. ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 04:50:05 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: i am eddie's brain wiki to the rescue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo In a message dated 5/29/2008 1:41:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, softboygirl@gmail.com writes: now i'm thinking that maybe they didn't have helmets and that i'm only thinking they had helmets because they all looked like the great gazoo (is that right?) except the martiains are yellow and gazzo, i believe, is green. but maybe gazoo didn't wear a helmet either. i'm so confused. sometimes i hate how the internet is only one less excuse not to know something. btw, if the flintstones ever jumped the shark, gazoo is surely to blame. what the frak was "his deal"? **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:01:56 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: i am eddie's brain On May 28, 2008, at 9:57 PM, (0% rh) wrote: > whoops, i accidentally rented a documentary on "peak oil". it was > called "the end of suburbia", and was quite well done. it was fairly > grim, although the directors tried to give it a sort of surprise > (not-so-grim) ending I rented that a couple of weeks ago. Going into it I had no idea it was a peak oil documentary; all Netflix says is that it's about the changing American lifestyle and whether it's sustainable. I felt kinda hoodwinked when all the (extremely unappealing) talking heads started going all doom-and-gloom, so I shut it off. Now "The Real Dirt on Farmer John" - THAT's a good documentary! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:20:58 -0700 From: Rex Subject: If I *were* to draw myself as a teen... ... I'd likely be wearing pretty much what I am today, for lo, I have busted out of storage the mapsandlegendary "hot pink R.E.M. bike shirt" to wear to the band's show tonight at the Hollywood bowl. Still fits just fine, and looks exactly as gay as it did in its day (which really isn't very gay, except in the high school meaning of the term, but still). Motherfucker also says (c) 1984 R.E.M./Athens Ltd. on it, right under the bike wheel. Ouch. The Not-Walkman that carried me through those years perished on a frozen lawn in Paris, around the time I turned 20. A quick check also show me to still have hair, fewer zits, more crowsfeet, and about 10 pounds heavier (which at 146 isn't saying much other than that I useta be even scrawnier). I still have and play all of the same guitars. About that show tonight-- I don't think I've ever been to a big show quite like this, where I'm quite keen to see the first band and the headliner (The National and R.E.M.) but don't know if I can even sit through the second-billed act (Modest Mouse) at *all*. What's a good way to kill an hour trapped inside the Hollywood Bowl? - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #614 ********************************