From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #601 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 15 2008 Volume 16 : Number 601 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Feg radio shows ["David Stovall" ] Re: shakespeare vs. the slackers ["Stewart C. Russell" ] reap [FSThomas ] virtual Wire list returns [2fs ] (possibly longest time in reply to email thread) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: (possibly longest time in reply to email thread) [2fs ] Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] I didn't know they had medicinal marijuana in Michigan [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: virtual Wire list returns [2fs ] another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves [2fs ] Re: More random Hitchcockless jibber-jabber [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves [Re] Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves [2f] Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves [Re] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:13:16 -0400 From: "David Stovall" Subject: Re: Feg radio shows >From jbj: >- ----------------------- >I'm curious how many fegs either have had or currently have radio shows. >Given the breadth and depth of musical knowledge so visible on this list, I'm guessing >there's quite a few. > >jbj >- ------------------------- > >Here. I've had a weekly show at WEFT in Champaign (community radio, as is jbj's KBOO) >for over a decade now. I play music by bands who have upcoming concerts in the region, >but I always set aside plenty of time each week to spin tunes just 'cause. Few months go >by with zero RH content. WEFT streams its signal online at weft.org; I'm on Fridays from >6-8 PM CST. > >Dave. > >David Witzany ...one of nature's >witzany@uiuc.edu bounds checkers I did a show once at WEFT as well! Summer of 1991, I think - the summer between my two years in grad-school. I only sat in on someone else's show there for one week - a Celtic music show - but at least my voice went out over the air and some friends were listening. I did radio all through college, though - WMHD 90.5 FM, Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology, Terre Haute, IN. 160 million micro-watts of rock and roll power. (If you can hear us, you can see us.) Fall 1986-spring 1990. Mixed bag of obscure new stuff/obscure old stuff, occasional shows comprised solely of my bootleg Beatles collection; not quite as strange a show as I would do now. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:52:38 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: shakespeare vs. the slackers Bachman, Michael wrote: > > Speaking of which, the 5 year anniversary of "Mission > Accomplished" passed us by a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it's so accomplished that a close family friend, months away from his retirement from the National Guard, is shipping out for a year's tour of duty next month. What's a pacifist to do? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:17:49 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: reap John Rutsey, Rush's First Drummer, Dies (May 14) - Rock drummer John Rutsey, who co-founded progressive rock band Rush but left because of health reasons after recording the group's debut album, died over the weekend at age 55, their management company said. Statia Molewski / Retna John Rutsey, May 11: The Toronto native formed Rush along with Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson but performed on only one album, their 1974 self-titled debut, before quitting to make way for Neil Peart. That's Rutsey on the Zeppelin-esque favorites 'Working Man' and 'Finding My Way.' The statement, issued to Q107 in the band's native Toronto, does not mention a cause of death, but Rutsey had suffered from diabetes since his youth. He formed Rush along with bassist Geddy Lee and guitarist Alex Lifeson in 1968. Before long, the band gained a sizeable following in Canada before cutting their self-titled debut for Moon Records in 1974. The album contained the band's first hit single, the blue collar anthem "Working Man." The song's driving riff pays tribute to Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath and contains one of Lifeson's more memorable solos. Guitar World magazine voted it the 94th best guitar solo ever. Neil Peart replaced Rutsey soon after his departure, marking the band's transition from mainstream hard rockers to progressive torchbearers. Little is known of Rutsey's whereabouts since leaving the group. Q107 quotes a 1989 interview where Lifeson remarked that Rutsey "gave up playing [drums] shortly after he left the band and went into bodybuilding." He added his ex-bandmate "competed on an amateur level for a while, doing that for a few years,and has sort of been in and out of that, but he still works out." 2008 AOL LLC. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:58:59 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: virtual Wire list returns New full-length Wire _Object 47_ (so-named as the 47th release by the band) due 7/7/08. As a recording entity Wire is now a 3-piece band, Bruce Gilbert having left in 2005 (_Read & Burn 03_ features only a few buried bits of "dugga" from Gilbert, according to Colin Newman on the discussion boards at pinkflag.com). However (and this will get Rex to book a flight to Europe) Wire is touring Europe and has added a fourth member for live purposes, who is none other than Margaret Fiedler McGinnis ex-Laika/Moonshake. Rumors that with Gilbert's departure, the band will remove another letter from its name and become "Ire" are, unfortunately, only a joke ;-) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:20:36 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: (possibly longest time in reply to email thread) longest time between recordings - also for consideration Mudcrutch -Tom Petty just reunited them Release 2 singles - 1971 (with Ton Leadon, who left in 1972), 1975 New album - 2008 (recorded last August) **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:59:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: (possibly longest time in reply to email thread) On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 11:20 AM, wrote: > longest time between recordings - also for consideration > > Mudcrutch -Tom Petty just reunited them > > Release 2 singles - 1971 (with Ton Leadon, who left in 1972), 1975 > > New album - 2008 (recorded last August) Re your subject line...perhaps here, but on another list I responded to a year-old message... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:07:36 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: virtual Wire list returns On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM, 2fs wrote: > > However (and this will get Rex to book a flight to Europe) Wire is touring > Europe and has added a fourth member for live purposes, who is none other > than Margaret Fiedler McGinnis ex-Laika/Moonshake. BEST BAND EVAR!!!!!!111! Unless (until?) the next version of the Fall is actually Television with Mark E. Smith. And Margaret Fiedler. I'll still miss Bruce, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:38:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap California's ban on homoslavian marriage http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/15/BAGAVNC5K.DTL "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:44:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: I didn't know they had medicinal marijuana in Michigan http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/14/national/a123939D23.DTL&tsp=1 "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:14:55 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: virtual Wire list returns On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Rex wrote: > > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM, 2fs wrote: > >> >> However (and this will get Rex to book a flight to Europe) Wire is touring >> Europe and has added a fourth member for live purposes, who is none other >> than Margaret Fiedler McGinnis ex-Laika/Moonshake. > > They're already playing. Cool. http://www.flickr.com/photos/26339578@N03/2472544516/in/set-72157604930558482/ Hee. Look what it says on the headstock of her Jazzmaster. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:34 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: virtual Wire list returns On 5/15/08, Rex wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Rex wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:58 AM, 2fs wrote: >> >>> >>> However (and this will get Rex to book a flight to Europe) Wire is >>> touring >>> Europe and has added a fourth member for live purposes, who is none other >>> than Margaret Fiedler McGinnis ex-Laika/Moonshake. >> >> > They're already playing. Cool. > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/26339578@N03/2472544516/in/set-72157604930558482/ > This one's for Rex...< http://www.flickr.com/photos/26339578@N03/2471719681/in/set-72157604930558482/ >. Or for me. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:05:58 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves Part 7,392: When people stick "EP" in the title of an EP regardless of whether the title of the EP includes the word "EP" or not. If the EP's called _Pigeons Devour My Soul from the Inside_, the title is not _Pigeons Devour My Soul from the Inside EP_. Bastards! I hate them! Kill! Kill! Kill! Uh...oh, hi nurse. Do you have the good pills for me? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:14:11 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:05 PM, 2fs wrote: > Part 7,392: When people stick "EP" in the title of an EP regardless of > whether the title of the EP includes the word "EP" or not. If the EP's > called _Pigeons Devour My Soul from the Inside_, the title is not _Pigeons > Devour My Soul from the Inside EP_. > > Bastards! I hate them! Kill! Kill! Kill! > Generally speaking I'm with you, but what if the release explicitly calls itself an EP? It happens. Back on the Wire photos, you can also get a glimpse of Colin's personally endorsed Eastwood guitar, from the people who brought you... Robyn's new guitar. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:20:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On 5/15/08, Rex wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:05 PM, 2fs wrote: > >> Part 7,392: When people stick "EP" in the title of an EP regardless of >> whether the title of the EP includes the word "EP" or not. If the EP's >> called _Pigeons Devour My Soul from the Inside_, the title is not _Pigeons >> Devour My Soul from the Inside EP_. >> >> Bastards! I hate them! Kill! Kill! Kill! >> > Generally speaking I'm with you, but what if the release explicitly calls > itself an EP? > I believe that was covered in my "regardless" clause, by implication. I'm in the process of ripping all my CDs to my new very un-bricklike hard drive, via iTunes, and so I'm constantly having to correct that (among other things). If the packaging doesn't say "EP" as part of the title, it ain't part of the title. If it does, it is. Sometimes there's ambiguity - but typically, if it's part of the title it'll appear wherever the title does. Of course there are perverse artists whose works' very titles are sometimes hard to figure out...but this is not the case with the EP situation typically. It's just the kind of sloppiness and random stupidity that makes me sharpen up my special set of 19th century Austrian goat-carving knives and... Ouch. That needle hurt. Ooh - that sedative makes my veins all icy... > > Back on the Wire photos, you can also get a glimpse of Colin's personally > endorsed Eastwood guitar, from the people who brought you... Robyn's new > guitar. > What's amusing to me, over at pinkflag.com, is the band photos: most of them are recent vintage, but then you suddenly jump from 2002 or so all the way to 1979...and then there's a picture of Graham Lewis, looking 16 years old and about 5'1", with a Bowie-style floppy beret on (and, come to think of it, Bowie-style high trousers as well). Wire Babies(tm): coming soon to a shop near you. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:21:36 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: More random Hitchcockless jibber-jabber Two things have caught my eye recently. First, in the credits to Iron Man (love Robert Downey, don't care what you think) I noted that the part of "Achmed" was played by Achmed Achmed, which seemed like some sort of weird joke. Second, I noticed that Renton PD's police cars bear the legend "A nationally accredited law enforcement agency," which just sounds like insecurity, especially considering that the new cars look like some kind of science fiction butchmobiles... Your feedback is welcomed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:25:57 -0400 From: "m swedene" Subject: hitchcock box set moved to Aug 5th Robyn Hitchcock's second box set entitled Luminous Groove, [which includes 2 discs of previously unreleased songs] will now be available August 5, 2008. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 12:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: More random Hitchcockless jibber-jabber kevin studyvin wrote: > Two things have caught my eye recently. First, in the credits to > Iron Man (love Robert Downey, don't care what you think) I noted > that the part of "Achmed" was played by Achmed Achmed, which > seemed like some sort of weird joke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ahmed "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:16:39 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves 2fs says: > I'm in the process of ripping all my CDs to my new very un-bricklike hard > drive, (thinks: EEK! maybe he got one of those highly adorable iomega portable drives???!!!!!???) details? i just got a 500mb iomega. i had gotten a maxtor 4 this past weekend, but read really crappy reviews of it on amazon (i just love to shop and research in the incorrect order). (i should say though that i've been very happy with the maxtor 250gb drive that i got with this machine about three years ago - it's been on 24/7 since i attached the computer components and i've had 0 problems with it except its being too close to full for too long.) so the maxtor 4 is going back. and, the iomega, yay: longest part of the installation was rearranging power strip accounting for the stupid transformer (is that what that is?) on its plug. the iomega drive is brick-y which is okay since it's silver and has a bit of a 50s-diner retro look. more importantly, it has a blue LED power indicator that, for self-protection, i imagine, will blind anything in its path. as ever, lauren p.s. BTW, one of my favourite band names (never heard their music): eek a mouse! (i'm not sure if there's an exclamation point in the band's name - either way works for me.) - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:51:27 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:20 PM, 2fs > > Wire Babies(tm): coming soon to a shop near you. > Y'know, in my early days of Wire fandom, I really had little idea what they looked like at all. I had cassettes of the first three album which had only tiny pictures of the band members, and "On Returning" which just had this really weird distorted funhouse-mirror image; the contemporary videos weren't much more helpful (remember the one for "Kidney Bingoes"?) They had the kind of mysteriousness* that almost coudn't exist now. - -Rex *Couldn't structure that sentence to contain, as it should, the obvious words "I", "feel" and "today". Sorry for fail. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:36:23 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On May 15, 2008, at 12:20 PM, 2fs wrote: > 'm in the process of ripping all my CDs to my new very un-bricklike > hard > drive, via iTunes, and so I'm constantly having to correct that > (among other > things). If the packaging doesn't say "EP" as part of the title, it > ain't > part of the title. If it does, it is. Sometimes there's ambiguity - > but > typically, if it's part of the title it'll appear wherever the title > does. Or how about the live album where every track name is followed by "(live)". YAAARGH!! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:04:36 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On 5/15/08, Tom Clark wrote: > > On May 15, 2008, at 12:20 PM, 2fs wrote: > > 'm in the process of ripping all my CDs to my new very un-bricklike hard >> drive, via iTunes, and so I'm constantly having to correct that (among >> other >> things). If the packaging doesn't say "EP" as part of the title, it ain't >> part of the title. If it does, it is. Sometimes there's ambiguity - but >> typically, if it's part of the title it'll appear wherever the title does. >> > > Or how about the live album where every track name is followed by "(live)". > YAAARGH!! That I actually find somewhat useful...in that if I see "My Mother Beat the Hockey Team" (live) by Rubber Hen in my playlist, I know it's the live version as opposed to the studio one. Actually I put such clarifying info in square brackets - [live], [remix], [demo], [left-handed inverse stereo dub vers.], etc. It occurs to me I could use one of the other zillion columns iTunes offers for such descriptions - but that way it tracks (more or less) with my database... Uh-and howabout people who insist so-and-so's last name is "Jackson Jr." rather than that their first name is "Robert Jr."? (More accurately, neither is true...but the "Jr." rather obviously applies to the first name - the junior Robert - than to the surname, which doesn't change.) PS to relatively new fegs: this kind of thing is what the list is really about - not that Robyn fella. SOW...when's the stuff he was working on w/the V3 documented in _Sex, Food, Death & Insects_ supposed to come out? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:50:00 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves > p.s. BTW, one of my favourite band names (never heard their music): > eek a mouse! (i'm not sure if there's an exclamation point in the > band's name - either way works for me.) It's a him, actually. Eek-a-Mouse. It's a reggae/dancehall guy. Kind of like the opposite of Jethro Tull, but kind of like LCD Soundsystem. Um, some of you know what I mean. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 15:33:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves Tom Clark wrote: > On May 15, 2008, at 12:20 PM, 2fs wrote: > > 'm in the process of ripping all my CDs to my new very > > un-bricklike hard drive, via iTunes, and so I'm constantly > > having to correct that (among other things). If the packaging > > doesn't say "EP" as part of the title, it ain't > > part of the title. If it does, it is. Sometimes there's ambiguity > > - but typically, if it's part of the title it'll appear wherever > > the title does. > > Or how about the live album where every track name is followed by > "(live)". YAAARGH!! Or, even worse, when it's a studio album with everything followed by [Album Version]. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:52:13 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: RE: shakespeare vs. the slackers >"Desert Storm" didn't bother me nearly as much as "Shock and Awe" did. Oh, I dunno - I was shocked, and it was awful. Oh, and yes, the "A, B, and C" thing is called the Oxford or serial comma (see ). Perfectly acceptable though not compulsory, as stated, but in some specific circumstances ambiguities can either be resolved or caused by its use. As such, it needs to be handled with care when used - as with all punctuation - but using it at least some of the time is a Good Thing. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:01:10 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: shakespeare vs. the slackers On 5/15/08, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > "Desert Storm" didn't bother me nearly as much as "Shock and Awe" did. >> > > Oh, I dunno - I was shocked, and it was awful. > > Oh, and yes, the "A, B, and C" thing is called the Oxford or serial comma > (see ). Perfectly acceptable > though not compulsory, as stated, but in some specific circumstances > ambiguities can either be resolved or caused by its use. As such, it needs > to be handled with care when used - as with all punctuation - but using it > at least some of the time is a Good Thing. I would have to say that every situation I've seen as an example of the serial comma's ability to cause ambiguity have always struck me as rather contrived, and I've never run into one in actual writing. I have, however, frequently run into situations where the absence of the serial comma does cause ambiguity - or at least, an unwarranted closer association between the last two items of a list compared to those among the other items on the list. In other words, in practice the serial comma almost invariably either clarifies meaning or does not detract from it, whereas omitting it almost always serves no purpose or introduces confusion. I see no reason to omit it: it takes up little space, it takes no time to type, and if you use it in some situations (such as in this sentence, with its three clauses after the colon), it seems inconsistent to omit it in others. In other words, consistency also is on the side of the serial comma. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:28:42 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > That I actually find somewhat useful...in that if I see "My Mother Beat the > Hockey Team" (live) by Rubber Hen in my playlist, I know it's the live > version as opposed to the studio one. Actually I put such clarifying info > in > square brackets - [live], [remix], [demo], [left-handed inverse stereo dub > vers.], etc. As I ripped my collection over a few years' time, I ended up doing about half of it through iTunes and the other half through WMP, with both tagging the CD's via their respective databases. The ones that went through WMP came back with a lot more brackets in the song titles (the iTunes ones had hardly any), and I sort of intuited that their basic idea was that parentheses were reserved for parentheticals within the song title, and brackets for versions as you list above giving rise to listings like (I Just) Died in Your Arms (Tonight) [remix]. Does that seem right? I'm not exactly sure that was the purpose-- the brackets also frequently contained such reviled qualifiers as [bonus track] and [previously unreleased], and fairly often I'd get a record where a whole bunch of individually bracketed gibberish followed some titles, particularly bonus tracks on reissues, as in Got My Mojo Workin' (and I Thought You'd Like to Know) [*][#][**]. I assumed, for no real reason, that these symbols were explained by some kind of periodic table somewhere, and had the same types of meanings-- extended mix, bonus track, radio edit, or whatever. In any case, it was all batshit inconsistent, so I decided to make an aesthetic call against brackets, and systematically eliminated them (except, again, where they were explicitly part of the song title). Doing it to the song titles was an afterthought-- but on album titles it was a must. Especially box sets. I would find I had box sets consisting of Disc 1, (Disc 2), [Disk 3], disc four and 5 of 5. Couldn't abide it, nosirree. As to the "live" thing, I tend to like to see (Live) after a live track *except* when the album title makes it redundant, since the album title is generally visible anyway. I also keep all the words inside the descriptive parentheticals capitalized: (Live 12/3/72), (Alternate Take), (DJ Poopchute's Bassoon for Your Fassoon Acid Solvent Club Mix), etc. They just look tidier to me that way, is all In theory, all of the other little niceties can be crammed into the "notes" field some day when and if I start to care... like, had anyone ever really started to deal with the "Composer" field? Because if so, damn. - -Rex, recommending none of the above to anyone but hisself ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:40:50 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On 5/15/08, Rex wrote: > > > > In theory, all of the other little niceties can be crammed into the "notes" > field some day when and if I start to care... like, had anyone ever really > started to deal with the "Composer" field? Because if so, damn. > Useful if you have a lot of classical music, of course...since "artist" might be "Itzhak Perlman," "name" might be "Violin Concerto #5: 1st mvt - adagio" (and no, I haven't standardized that sort of title listing for myself), whereas, obviously, it's relevant whether we're talking a violin concerto by Mozart or by Schoenberg. What's really weird is that Collectorz.com's mp3 database has a weird default whereby anything entered in the composer field takes over from whatever's entered in the artist field...so if someone has troubled to note that "Lou Reed" is the composer of "Satellite of Love" as performed by U2, in the database it'll show up as being by Lou Reed rather than by U2. A clear bug, in other words: it shouldn't be defaulting the value of one field to another unless (perhaps - big perhaps) nothing's entered in that other field. I wrote the forum on that one - but the app hasn't been updated for quite some time. Odd...since their CD database has been updated quite a bit. Surprising, given the supposed death of CDs...then again, mp3s have quite a bit of information inherent in them, so I suppose you might need a database less, since that stuff isn't part of a CD itself in the way that ID3 tags are part of mp3s. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:33:42 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: another in an ongoing series of online CD database-related peeves On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 5/15/08, Rex wrote:What's really weird is > that Collectorz.com's mp3 database has a weird > default whereby anything entered in the composer field takes over from > whatever's entered in the artist field...so if someone has troubled to note > that "Lou Reed" is the composer of "Satellite of Love" as performed by U2, > in the database it'll show up as being by Lou Reed rather than by U2. Well, that is weird, but hey, motherfuckers named themselves "collectors" without being able to spell it, so there you go. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #601 ********************************