From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #567 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 9 2008 Volume 16 : Number 567 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I fucking defy *anybody* (this includes *you*, Eb!) to find a mo'-bitchin' string of words from to-day's news than... [] NEW on DiME Robyn Hitchcock, July 17, 1999, Cabaret Metro, Chicago, IL, USA [HwyCDRrev@] Re: Can '08 top '06? Maybe! [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Fuck me running, I just learned a new word! [craigie* ] Groups that leave you cold [The Great Quail ] Re: Lowe/Hitchcock Show? Anyone going? [gaseous clay ] Re: Can '08 top '06? Maybe! [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Groups that leave you cold [Rex ] movie talk ["(0% rh)" ] Re: movie talk ["(0% rh)" ] Re: Groups that leave you cold [2fs ] Re: Groups that leave you cold [Rex ] Re: Groups that leave you cold [Steve Schiavo ] RE: Groups that leave you cold ["Marc Alberts" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:55:25 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: I fucking defy *anybody* (this includes *you*, Eb!) to find a mo'-bitchin' string of words from to-day's news than... On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > ..."The eunuchs threatened to dance in front of the local Multan > Electricity Power Company office on April 10 to protest if the company > fails to comply. Some people believe that eunuchs have extraordinary > powers." > PWNED! These, however, are not your father's eunuchs... erm, that is to say that they're not actually castrated persons, and seem to be, somewhat counterintuitively, giant tranny sluts: On the bottom rungs of Pakistan's social ladder, the eunuch-transvestites or > "Hijras" scrape out a hard existence. Cultural descendants of the court > eunuchs of the Mughal Empire (1526-1858), the Hijras now earn their living > as beggars, dancers and prostitutes. Most Pakistani cities have sizable > Hijra communities, divided into clan groups living mostly in slums and > presided over by a leader or guru. Hijra means hermaphrodite in Urdu, but > most* Hijras are homosexual transvestites, some of whom have gone through > a crude sex-change operation. The Hijras are both feared and pitied in > Pakistan, feared for their supposed ability to place curses, pitied for > being outcast children of Allah. Most Hijras leave or are ejected from > traditional Pakistani families around puberty and then join the Hijra > community for life. Many have also reported that Hijras will kidnap young > men, forcibly castrate them and force them into prostitution, gaining income > for the community. More Hijras, however, earn their living by begging, and > by dancing at carnivals, weddings and births. Hijras are especially apt to > visit the families of recently born male children where they are paid to > give blessings--or to simply go away. - -Rex *No, I'm not sure what the other ones besides said "most" of them are. I leave that additional research to you, the reader. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:57:32 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: NEW on DiME Robyn Hitchcock, July 17, 1999, Cabaret Metro, Chicago, IL, USA http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=191858 Robyn Hitchcock, July 17, 1999, Cabaret Metro, Chicago, IL, USA Collection: RobynHitchcock Band/Artist: Robyn Hitchcock Date: July 17, 1999 (check for other copies) Venue: Cabaret Metro Location: Source: Aud Lineage: Sony ECM-MS907 stereo mic >Sharp MD-MS702 minidisc >Soundforge >WAV >FLAC Taped by: Alien Rendel Transferred by: Alien Rendel 1) Wayne Coyne Introduction 2) Gene Hackman 3) I Something You 4) Glass Hotel 5) Viva! Sea-Tec 6) Autumn is Your Last Chance 7) Only the Stones Remain 8) Freeze 9) The Queen of Eyes This was part of the Flaming Lips Music Against Brain Degeneration tour, which also included Sebedoh and Sonic Boom (hence Robyn's short set). **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:51:31 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Can '08 top '06? Maybe! I'm surprised no-one's yet mentioned (excluding reissues), The Beatles: Let it be (1970) -> Free as a bird (1995). 25 years > > Except Cindy wasn't on Good Stuff, so The B-52's don't actually > > qualify. Not that anyone (understandably) really wants to acknowledge > > that turd's existance. You may want to re-parse that and apologise to Cindy James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:53:17 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Fuck me running, I just learned a new word! "To read makes our speaking English good" - -Xander Harris On 09/04/2008, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > "happenchance", quoted in . > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc (the motto of the Addams Family: "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:53:13 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Can '08 top '06? Maybe! grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > I'm surprised no-one's yet mentioned (excluding reissues), The Beatles: > Let it be (1970) -> Free as a bird (1995). 25 years Not exactly new material, and it's not as if the band was still active ... Stewart (seriously debating going to see the B-52's on the True Colors tour ...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:57:53 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Groups that leave you cold > I guess, simply put, the query is this: Who -- which artist or group (mostly > artist, I suppose, since this is such a reflection of taste as it regards a > single artist rather than a collective group) have you once loved, yet whose > recent (or late or whatever metric you want to use) work leaves you completely > cold? I assume we can discount a change in taste based on a change in personnel, ala Genesis, Marillion, Yes, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, The Pogues, and so on....? And I assume that Sting is hardly worth mentioning, right? Or The Rolling Stones? So.... Yoko Ono is #1 on my list. Her stuff from the 1970s is mesmerizing, groundbreaking, amazing, eye-gougingly awesome. (I point you unbelievers to "Fly" and "The Plastic Ono Band.") But then.... well..... Even "Double Fantasy" leaves me cold, and "Seasons of Glass" is kinda all right, but once the 1980s get into gear, her output turns me off like a swiftly-whacked lightswitch. Then we have The Moody Blues. Everything past "The Present" blows. Now some mean-spirited fools may contend that everything *before* "The Present" *also* blows, but it blows in an entirely different way -- more good-willed, more cheerfully deranged, more delightfully pretentious blowing. It's like, during the 1970s you are being blown by a hippie clown who has flowers for hands and a halo of acid sprinkles surrounding his head; but in the 1980s, its all bloated and icky, and the hippie is balding and has a pot belly, and the flowers are plastic and his clown makeup all smeary, and his lips no longer feel like rainbow peppermint, and you cannot help but harbor the suspicion that this man blowing you just might, perhaps, have a collection of child pornography stashed away in his houseboat; and then suddenly, with a shock of horror, you realize you are actually blowing *him.* And that's what it's like to listen to "Keys of the Kingdom." (Fuck you, Tom Clark.) To a lesser extent.... Believe it or not, I absolutely adore the first Suzanne Vega album, but everything after that makes me angry. I also love Billy Bragg's first few albums, but everything after "Taxman" makes me twiddle my restless thumbs in boredom. (But he's still good to see live.) Oh -- and Laurie fucking Anderson. Broke my heart after "Mister Heartbreak." I find her new stuff borderline unlistenable. And that was even before Lou came along. I love Laibach's early work, but I have trouble getting into anything after "NATO." And I hate to say it, but Iron Maiden. After "Powerslave," it was a long slog downhill. Auxiliary Thread #1: Groups/Artists that you still fervently support even though they may land on other's "Downhill List?" Rush and U2. Screw you guys if you think otherwise. Admittedly, liking Rush is a matter of being Chosen, something like being a Calvinist, you don't have any say in the matter and it's obviously pre-ordained -- but U2 have never made a bad album, NOT ONE, not even even Pop and Zooropa, and if you don't agree, I'll just have St. Bono swing by your house and play you the studio masters again and again and again until you DO agree. Auxiliary Thread #2: Groups/Artists whose earlier/debut stuff leaves you cold but whose *later* stuff you adore? For me? -- Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, Leonard Cohen, Flaming Lips, Wilco, Radiohead, REM (Yes! Yes! Yes, I admit it -- I do not like "Murmur"!), The White Stripes, Bjork (never warmed up the the Sugarcubes), and Dean Wareham - -- I love Luna, but Galaxie 500 makes my molecules fall asleep. Or is it Galaxie 5000? That's a lot of sheep to count either way. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:46:56 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: Lowe/Hitchcock Show? Anyone going? one time at band camp, m swedene (m.swedene@gmail.com) said: >Any fellow fegs hitting this up tomorrow? My wife, friend and I will >be there if anyone wants to meet up before hand. still haven't bought a ticket and the day of show price is $40, up $5. and no decent seats are being released, it seems. anyone know what the balcony at the grand ballroom is like? the seating chart on ticketmaster does not give any indication of the orientation of the seats in the side balconies (sections 101 and 103). between that and the need to travel down from new haven, i'm leaning towards bagging it at this point... woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Can '08 top '06? Maybe! grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > Except Cindy wasn't on Good Stuff, so The B-52's don't > actually > > > qualify. Not that anyone (understandably) really wants to > acknowledge > > > that turd's existance. > > You may want to re-parse that and apologise to Cindy Ah, but parsing issues aside, no one in their right mind would think Cindy was a turd, so.... "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:58:37 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Groups that leave you cold On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:57 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > > To a lesser extent.... Believe it or not, I absolutely adore the first > Suzanne Vega album, but everything after that makes me angry. Hmm. I like the first one, don't like "Solitude" so much (just a little bland and gratingly PC-ish), like "Open Hand" a good deal, love 99.9F and at least admire everything since. "Songs in Red and Grey" is a difficult listen (usually too sad for me), but I really like her last record a lot. > I also love > Billy Bragg's first few albums, but everything after "Taxman" makes me > twiddle my restless thumbs in boredom. (But he's still good to see live.) My cutoff point is after "Don't Try This at Home". The subsequent records aren't bad... just not that exciting. > Auxiliary Thread #2: Groups/Artists whose earlier/debut stuff leaves you > cold but whose *later* stuff you adore? Good idea... > > > For me? -- Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, Leonard Cohen, Flaming Lips, Wilco, > Radiohead, REM (Yes! Yes! Yes, I admit it -- I do not like "Murmur"!), Hmmm. So what's their first album that you *do* like? It'd better not be "Green"... > > -- I love Luna, but Galaxie 500 makes my molecules fall asleep. Or is it > Galaxie 5000? That's a lot of sheep to count either way. > I like Luna plenty, but they never had that supernatural force-of-nature-spooky thing that made Galaxie so mesmerizing to me. Whose later stuff do I like better than their earlier stuff, though... hmm, does T. Rex count? I'd have to say Peter Gabriel (only because of Genesis; his solo debut is okay). Auxiliary Thread #3: The Middle Period Was the Best. Mellencamp, U2, Kinks (depending on how you define the "middle bit"), Dylan (ibid.), Cure? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:11:06 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: movie talk hi fegs, "eraserhead" - i haven't seen this since the invention of the dvd. the transfer is gorgeous. this is probably way-back news, but there's a great extra where lynch talks for like 80 minutes about the filming of the movie. it's practically as good as the movie -- i adore listening to that guy talk. i can't even say that lynch turns the mundane into the profound since i have a suspicion that there is no "mundane" in lynch's world. i mean, did you ever hear anyone get so excited about a dumpster full of light bulbs? the last two nights i fell asleep with the television, and the start of the dvd is a 30-second loop of henry trying to get his foot disentangled from a wire that's attached to a dead cat. that can't be healthy. "who's afraid of virginia woolfe?" - i imagine it's telling that this is one my family's favourite movies. this holds up remarkably well. in fact, it's gotten even funnier. and, again, the dvd's a great transfer. i watched the opening scene like 10 times -- george and martha are walking slowly through the tree-lined campus of the college, and you just see silhouettes as they walk. when they open the door to their house, the camera switches to being in the house (you're viewing it as though you're inside the house as they enter it.) martha turns on the light, and the sight of richard burton and elizabeth taylor at the moment is, for me, pretty much what the movies is all about. joke (said to be old) (paraphrased) from the commentary to "virginia woolfe": Q: why is there so much fighting and backstabbing in academia? A: because the stakes are so low. that's all for now. there's a stack of dvds by the television, but mostly unwatched, or half-watched. i even got ahold of antoninio's "red dessert", but it seems textbooks are winning the battle in textbooks vs. dvds (and all is right with the world.) (except for that textbooks vs. RH thing. grr.) xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:12:33 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: movie talk p.s. stop laughing at the red dessert. you know what i meant. xo - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:41:02 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Groups that leave you cold On 4/9/08, Rex wrote: > > > I like Luna plenty, but they never had that supernatural > force-of-nature-spooky thing that made Galaxie so mesmerizing to me. That quality, I'd say, went with the rest of G500 - a/k/a Damon & Naomi. > Auxiliary Thread #3: The Middle Period Was the Best. Mellencamp, U2, > Kinks > (depending on how you define the "middle bit"), Dylan (ibid.), Cure? Uh, the Rolling Stones? Kinda obvious (see also: Who, Kinks) - in that with all three bands, their earliest, blues-based stuff is anywhere from okay to good-of-its-kind...but the run from, say, _Aftermath_ through _Exile_ is pretty damned hard to beat. Why yes I am aware that the complete Stones catalog through 1971 or so is available on eMusic now. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:07:56 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Groups that leave you cold On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:41 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 4/9/08, Rex wrote: > > > > > I like Luna plenty, but they never had that supernatural > > force-of-nature-spooky thing that made Galaxie so mesmerizing to me. > > > > That quality, I'd say, went with the rest of G500 - a/k/a Damon & Naomi. > True, but Wareham had much more of a psychedelic-Jonathan-Richman-thing going on in those days. Goddamn, that was the perfect music for college. Any college, any year. Naomi: "I like the way Peter Hook plays bass, but I want to try to play just a little bit higher than that." > > > > > Auxiliary Thread #3: The Middle Period Was the Best. Mellencamp, U2, > > Kinks > > (depending on how you define the "middle bit"), Dylan (ibid.), Cure? > > > > Uh, the Rolling Stones? Kinda obvious (see also: Who, Kinks) - in that > with all three bands, their earliest, blues-based stuff is anywhere from > okay to good-of-its-kind...but the run from, say, _Aftermath_ through > _Exile_ is pretty damned hard to beat. > Yeah, to a certain extent you could probably put this label on any band who made it out of the British Invasion intact. Pity the poor Beatles! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:48:35 -0500 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Groups that leave you cold On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:07 PM, Rex wrote: > Jonathan Richman That's one, also The Ramones, Stray Cats/Brian Setzer, Squirrel Nut Zippers (and the like). I almost went to see the Moodies at Bass Hall in Ft. Worth, but then I realized it would be $100.00 each for exactly the same show that's on the local PBS station every pledge break. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:00:40 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: Groups that leave you cold The Great Quail wrote: > To a lesser extent.... Believe it or not, I absolutely adore the first > Suzanne Vega album, but everything after that makes me angry. I'm with Rex on this one--I liked "Solitude" okay, even if it was pretty PC, and my first couple listens through her new one I really like. Oh--and maybe it is sacrilegious to say so since he is such a musical god, but Bowie pretty much lost me in about 1984. I'd also put Pearl Jam into this category--loved "Ten," but most of what they came out with after was ho-hum at best for me. > Auxiliary Thread #1: Groups/Artists that you still fervently support > even > though they may land on other's "Downhill List?" > > Rush and U2. Screw you guys if you think otherwise. Okay--screw me for U2. I basically gave up on them after "Achtung Baby" came out and I was so turned off by their change of direction I never really came back. I recognize the last one was better, and if I gave it a fair shake I'd probably like it, but they pissed me off so much I'm not willing to give them a fair shake. I'll give you Rush. I mean (to paraphrase Matt Stone in "Orgazmo") it's Geddy Lee! Greatest bass player alive! > Admittedly, liking > Rush > is a matter of being Chosen, something like being a Calvinist, you > don't > have any say in the matter and it's obviously pre-ordained -- but U2 > have > never made a bad album, NOT ONE, not even even Pop and Zooropa, and if > you > don't agree, I'll just have St. Bono swing by your house and play you > the > studio masters again and again and again until you DO agree. And he would probably do it, which is why South Park called him the biggest piece of shit ever. Literally. Weird episode, that one. > > Auxiliary Thread #2: Groups/Artists whose earlier/debut stuff leaves > you > cold but whose *later* stuff you adore? > > For me? -- Tom Waits, Elvis Costello, Leonard Cohen, Flaming Lips, > Wilco, > Radiohead, REM (Yes! Yes! Yes, I admit it -- I do not like "Murmur"!), > The > White Stripes, Bjork (never warmed up the the Sugarcubes), and Dean > Wareham > -- I love Luna, but Galaxie 500 makes my molecules fall asleep. Or is > it > Galaxie 5000? That's a lot of sheep to count either way. Hmmm.... I love pretty much all Tom Waits, but I'll admit that it took me longer to warm up to the early stuff. It took going out with a gal who loved "Blue Valentine" and "Heart of Saturday Night" for me to really spend a good amount of time listening to them, and at that point something clicked. Spot on with Flaming Lips, though. Completely disagree with REM if only because my favorite is still "Lifes Rich Pageant," which was kind of in the middle originally but now seems to be grouped with the earlier stuff. Also, I'm a bit of a shoegazer fan, so Galaxie 500 is in fairly frequent rotation on my Zune. Not quite as much as The Magnetic Fields lately, but still I get my fair share. Marc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #567 ********************************