From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #556 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 29 2008 Volume 16 : Number 556 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR Guest DJ Ray Davies [HwyCDRre] pop matters review of SFD & I DVD [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] It is kind of funny, actually [Rex ] Re: It is kind of funny, actually ["(0% rh)" ] Re: It is kind of funny, actually [2fs ] Re: It is kind of funny, actually [2fs ] oh yeah, well Quail, I never met [Jill Brand ] Re: It is kind of funny, actually ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: A sweet treat for Rex! [Tom Clark ] Re: Third party racism [Michael Sweeney ] Re: It is kind of funny, actually [Rex ] Re: Third party racism [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Third party racism ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Third party racism [2fs ] Re: Finally, the motivation Axl needs to finally get Chinese Democracy out this year [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Third party racism [Rex ] Re: Song title misreading (100% RH content) [Rex ] CNN: Kinks' Ray Davies 'just another punk trying to make contact' [HwyCDRre] Re: It is kind of funny, actually [Tom Clark ] Re: Song title misreading (100% RH content) [michael wells Subject: It is kind of funny, actually I owe an apology to Eddie if he's refrained from posting a review of "Tusk" because I was supposed to do so as well. I've just finished listening to it twice, and I really like it. A lot. It has almost everything I like except for bad singing. I don't know if I would've really gotten it until maybe four or five years ago, but it's an instant click. Side-effects: 1) I guess I have to get ahold of "Rumours" again, and maybe some other related material. Oddly, I went into 2008 thinking it was gonna be the year I cracked the King Crimson nut, so F-Mac is an unexpected diversion. 2) I had to A/B a few of the songs with their Camper Van Beethoven remakes, and in the process discovered that I have a glitchy rip of it-- I think there's a major scratch on the disk surface, but I hadn't listened to it in mp3 form, so that's a drag. That was a pretty pricey limited-edition CD if I recall (and I bought it twice, once as a gift for my brother, who was pretty big on the Mac). 3) "Storms" is not the song I thought it was. 4) Still can't see myself coming into wilful possession of a Stevie Nicks record, but her presence here grates not at all. What's up with that? 5) It's really good. 6) Surely someone before me has remarked on the odd similarity between "Save a Place for Me" and Brian Eno's "I'll Come Running", right? 7) I've long held that if there were some Great Music Synthesizing/Averagizing Machine that could listen to your whole record collection and spit out the statistically "perfect" album for a given listener, it would compact mine into a copy of "Loveless"... but it might just as well come out sounding something like "Tusk", I think. Weird. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:21:53 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually Rex says: > I owe an apology to Eddie if he's refrained from posting a review of "Tusk" > because I was supposed to do so as well. i thought i saw eddie's post. it was something like: fuck _tusk_. fuck fleetwood mac. fuck 1979. fuck stevie nicks. fuck stevie nicks' scarves. fuck sheryl crow, too. xo p.s. and, of course, quail then volunteered to fuck 1979. - -- "people with opinions just go around bothering one another." -- the buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:31:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually On 3/27/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > Rex says: > > I owe an apology to Eddie if he's refrained from posting a review of > "Tusk" > > because I was supposed to do so as well. > > > i thought i saw eddie's post. it was something like: > > fuck _tusk_. fuck fleetwood mac. fuck 1979. fuck stevie nicks. > fuck stevie nicks' scarves. fuck sheryl crow, too. > > xo > > p.s. and, of course, quail then volunteered to fuck 1979. Funny - I would have chosen Sheryl Crow. It feels like 1979... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:31:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually On 3/27/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > Rex says: > > I owe an apology to Eddie if he's refrained from posting a review of > "Tusk" > > because I was supposed to do so as well. > > > i thought i saw eddie's post. it was something like: > > fuck _tusk_. fuck fleetwood mac. fuck 1979. fuck stevie nicks. > fuck stevie nicks' scarves. fuck sheryl crow, too. > > xo > > p.s. and, of course, quail then volunteered to fuck 1979. Funny - I would have chosen Sheryl Crow. It feels like 1979... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:52:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: oh yeah, well Quail, I never met ...a Republican until I went to college. Not that I knew of, anyway. Lots of Jews (like almost only Jews in my part of Brooklyn), Italians, Irish, blacks, Puerto Ricans, but no Republicans. That's all changed now. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:20:27 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually > 7) I've long held that if there were some Great Music > Synthesizing/Averagizing Machine that could listen to your whole record > collection and spit out the statistically "perfect" album for a given > listener, it would compact mine into a copy of "Loveless"... but it might > just as well come out sounding something like "Tusk", I think. In my case I suspect it would average out to Sailin' Shoes by Little Feat. Either that or the 3rd Big Star album, whatever you want to call it. On the other hand I've still never heard Tusk (and still not that interested). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:25:44 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: A sweet treat for Rex! On Mar 26, 2008, at 6:16 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Mar 26, 2008, at 12:16 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >> >> Yeah. A minister could say he prefers wine to gin, and Hitchens would >> blame it on some religious delusion. Odd that such an alleged atheist >> would spend so much time worshipping Bush-Cheney.... >> > > Only when they are killing radical Muslims. I'm sure Hitch is > repelled by Bush as a person, and probably doesn't have much use for > Cheney. > That's it in a nutshell. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:46:33 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Third party racism The Great Quail wrote: >To wrap up, I think that of all the many types of white racism, the one Ihave the most contempt for is the type you see in so-called liberals,particular northerners. That sense of, "We'll fight for you, just stay inyour own neighborhoods and don't get too uppity. You'll eventually get yourturn." I'm looking at you, Lanny Davis, Geraldine Ferraro, and Mr. & Mrs.Clinton. < [...And, BTW, thanks for the illuminating personal discourse -- my upbringing about 40 miles from Chicago in the late '60s / '70s was quite different...but my Irish / Lithuanian relatives (mostly from the city), who were of the "he / she's OK...for a colored guy" generation, are similar to some of those you've drawn...] Anyway -- I don't particularly recognize the above racial atttude as "Liberal"...certainly, at least not as I live and breath and work and vote it. Guess it depends on who you encounter who self-describe as "Liberal." ...And, while I'm not that familiar w/Davis, I don't think of the Clintons as liberal at all (OR particularly racist -- currently, their anti-Obama-ism strikes me as more desperate, scrabbling opportunism) and Ferraro as not that liberal (but self-revealed to be quite racist -- perhaps in that unconscious, generational way I alluded to above -- in her comments, despite her spinning and re-spinning). Michael "Liberal AND a Cubs fan, despite South Side birth and South Suburban upbringing (both are geographically rarer, if certainly not unheard of)" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:04:43 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 5:31 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 3/27/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > > > Rex says: > > > I owe an apology to Eddie if he's refrained from posting a review of > > "Tusk" > > > because I was supposed to do so as well. > > > > > > i thought i saw eddie's post. it was something like: > > > > fuck _tusk_. fuck fleetwood mac. fuck 1979. fuck stevie nicks. > > fuck stevie nicks' scarves. fuck sheryl crow, too. > > > > xo > > > > p.s. and, of course, quail then volunteered to fuck 1979. > > > > Funny - I would have chosen Sheryl Crow. The scarves are lookin' pretty good to me. I certainly would never have sex with, to, on, or near a Smashing Pumpkins song. - -Rex > > > It feels like 1979... > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:09:22 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Third party racism Eddie said: >all those eligible voters who'll be staying on home (about 40%) on election day are votes against the two major parties.< ...I'm on the digest and haven't scrolled past this entry yet, so I imagine this may have been already addressed (I'm thinking particularly of by either Jeff N. or D.; or maybe Kevin), but...I gotta say, it seems to me that perhaps - -- and being quite generous -- you might be able to attribute maybe 10 or 15% of that 40% abstention to anti-major party protesting / apathy...AT BEST. The majority of it -- IMHO -- is NOT votes against ANYTHING, but rather just plain stupid, uninformed laziness of the sort that sinks through the bones of the reality-television-absorbing public. Too many of these mouth-breathers can't even be bothered to pick up their cell phones to votes for the latest bleating "American Idol" contestant, much less register, leave their homes, and have any opinion worth expressing in a voting booth every 2 or 4 years. Upon further reflection, I may actually be GLAD that these people are removing themselves from the process...and, of course, there CAN be an awful lot of "a pox on both of their houses" attitude out there, but I think ascribing any sort of patriotic (or even disgusted) abstention to those actions is giving far more credit than is warranted. Some of them may not even know there IS an election OR when it is OR where to go (or how to even find out any of that info). Back to (paraphrasing) Zimmy for me: They're idiots, babe...it's a wonder they can even feed themselves... Michael "It may be getting closer to 'Howard Beale' time out there..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobi le_Zune_V3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:22:32 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Third party racism > The majority of it -- IMHO -- is NOT votes against ANYTHING, but rather > just > plain stupid, uninformed laziness of the sort that sinks through the bones > of > the reality-television-absorbing public. Too many of these > mouth-breathers > can't even be bothered to pick up their cell phones to votes for the > latest > bleating "American Idol" contestant, much less register, leave their > homes, > and have any opinion worth expressing in a voting booth every 2 or 4 > years. > Can I get a amen? Sturgeon's Law is as applicable in politics as anywhere. np Harry Smith/Folkways/American Folk Music, disc 4. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:51:31 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Third party racism On 3/27/08, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > > Sturgeon's Law is as applicable in politics as anywhere. That's the one that goes "Sitting in a sturgeon's world, as sturgeons will, a sturgeon's girl with me, standing on a river bed, where weeds can be, I'm on my knee to you. I've seen you in glossy mags, I've seen you and you see me. Said you weren't a tuna fish, put in a tin, they're very big, ha ha." I believe the law is stated thus: If you do not lock up your hats, a pea-brained earwig will drag your canal, you saucy old salt. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:50:03 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Finally, the motivation Axl needs to finally get Chinese Democracy out this year Kevin wrote: > Given the choice between waiting for yet another GnR release and wonderingif JD Salinger will allow any more of his work to be published in mylifetime I gotta tell ya, it's not hard to pick which one I careabout more. I did get a chuckle out of the Dr Pepper angle though -reminded me of Lorne Michaels offering the Beatles $3,000 to play on SNL in1976.< First of all, put me down as pro-Dr. Pepper (Diet, actually; I'm enjoying one right now!) and pro-Salinger, but anti-Axl (I still maintain my stalwart support for his "Her hair reminds me of a warm safe place / Where as a child I'd hide" as Worst. Rock. Couplet. Evah!). Secondly, goddamn Lorne for not giving George his $750 when he DID show up -- it hadn't been made absolutely clear that it was a whole-3K-for-all-members-or-nothing offer! (BTW, I once read that Lennon saw the offer being made on TV, apparently Macca was in NYC at the time, and L called M and said (in effect), wouldn't it be a giggle if we showed up for the 3 grand? I think the punchline may have been that, since it was post-11:30 PM local time, that Paulie was probably waaaaaaaaay too mellow-high to be bothered to put his pants on and go outside...) Michael "Spent last night watching The Rutles (and the weakish, but worth-my-fan-boy-time sequel) last night on VH1 Classic" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:08:51 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Finally, the motivation Axl needs to finally get Chinese Democracy out this year Kevin wrote: >See my previous remarks about Roxy Music, the Psychedelic Furs & other notorious no-shows...< ...Which reminds me, I saw a local listing for an upcoming "Sly and the Family Stone" show here in Chicago -- and I thought, oh sure, after Grant Park in 1970, like we're gonna sit around expecting Sly to bother to show... Michael "Boom-locka-locka" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:21:32 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Song title misreading (100% RH content) ...So, I'm playing the "Black Snake Diamond Role" disk from "...Backwards" on my computer...and the Windows Media Center IDs the tracks -- and names the third one as "Do Policeman Stag?" ...Is that supposed to refer to some sort of solo Andy Summers dance? (I'm thinking the drone who had to encode that bit of info tried to read the Robyn-script-handwriting title from the sleeve art (shrunken smaller still by the inclusion of the bonus songs) and merely took a guess at the last two words...) Michael "The other song titles are correct...but the label is listed by WMC as 'YEP ROCK'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:22:39 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Third party racism On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:51 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 3/27/08, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > > > > > > Sturgeon's Law is as applicable in politics as anywhere. > > > That's the one that goes "Sitting in a sturgeon's world, as sturgeons > will, > a sturgeon's girl with me, standing on a river bed, where weeds can be, > I'm > on my knee to you. I've seen you in glossy mags, I've seen you and you see > me. Said you weren't a tuna fish, put in a tin, they're very big, ha ha." > > I believe the law is stated thus: If you do not lock up your hats, a > pea-brained earwig will drag your canal, you saucy old salt. Fuck, I'd only believed parrots deserved almonds. (Admittedly, that's getting pretty far out into the manscape there...) - -Rex, in the yellow bulb light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:24:33 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Third party racism On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:22 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > Can I get a amen? > > Sturgeon's Law is as applicable in politics as anywhere. > > np Harry Smith/Folkways/American Folk Music, disc 4 Is that Volume 2 disc 2, or the posthumous speculative Volume 4? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:15:04 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Song title misreading (100% RH content) On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...So, I'm playing the "Black Snake Diamond Role" disk from "...Backwards" > on > my computer...and the Windows Media Center IDs the tracks -- and names the > third one as "Do Policeman Stag?" > > ...Is that supposed to refer to some sort of solo Andy Summers dance? > > (I'm thinking the drone who had to encode that bit of info tried to read > the > Robyn-script-handwriting title from the sleeve art (shrunken smaller still > by > the inclusion of the bonus songs) and merely took a guess at the last two > words...) > I ended up with a potpourri of tags from Windows and/or Gracenote on the box set, and there was wrong shit on both of them (fixed now, o' course). To mildly defend the drones, the song sequences on at least two of the disc jackets are wrong-- or at least deceiving, since, as they don't deign to include track numbers, they could be passed off as simple song lists instead (although I think the labels on at least one of the THATCHER discs itself is goofy, too). And that reminds me to be slightly curious as to how the Robyntext for the added tunes was divined-- new writing by the man himself? On only the new tracks, or a complete re-do? Shooped? Pirated fegfont? Brilliant forgery? (Particularly curious about TRAINS with all those stylized, filigreed letters...) > Michael "The other song titles are correct...but the label is listed by WMC as 'YEP ROCK'" That clearly should go in the genre field, in place of the ever-popular "AlternRock". - -Rex np Matthew Sweet, AlternBeast ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:15:04 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Song title misreading (100% RH content) On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...So, I'm playing the "Black Snake Diamond Role" disk from "...Backwards" > on > my computer...and the Windows Media Center IDs the tracks -- and names the > third one as "Do Policeman Stag?" > > ...Is that supposed to refer to some sort of solo Andy Summers dance? > > (I'm thinking the drone who had to encode that bit of info tried to read > the > Robyn-script-handwriting title from the sleeve art (shrunken smaller still > by > the inclusion of the bonus songs) and merely took a guess at the last two > words...) > I ended up with a potpourri of tags from Windows and/or Gracenote on the box set, and there was wrong shit on both of them (fixed now, o' course). To mildly defend the drones, the song sequences on at least two of the disc jackets are wrong-- or at least deceiving, since, as they don't deign to include track numbers, they could be passed off as simple song lists instead (although I think the labels on at least one of the THATCHER discs itself is goofy, too). And that reminds me to be slightly curious as to how the Robyntext for the added tunes was divined-- new writing by the man himself? On only the new tracks, or a complete re-do? Shooped? Pirated fegfont? Brilliant forgery? (Particularly curious about TRAINS with all those stylized, filigreed letters...) > Michael "The other song titles are correct...but the label is listed by WMC as 'YEP ROCK'" That clearly should go in the genre field, in place of the ever-popular "AlternRock". - -Rex np Matthew Sweet, AlternBeast ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:13:55 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: It is kind of funny, actually - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:51 PM To: And Rex Hamilton as Abraham Lincoln Subject: It is kind of funny, actually SER: >I owe an apology to Eddie if he's refrained from posting a review of "Tusk" >because I was supposed to do so as well. I've just finished listening to it twice, and I really like it. >A lot. It has almost everything I like except for bad singing. I don't know if I would've really gotten >it until maybe four or five years ago, but it's an instant click. Give Buckingham's 1984 album "Go Insane" a shot next if you never have listened to it. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:23:10 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: It is kind of funny, actually - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of 2fs Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:32 PM To: menaced by bears! (and mice) Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually On 3/27/08, (0% rh) wrote: >Funny - I would have chosen Sheryl Crow. >It feels like 1979... Three Mile Island was a nuclear danger sign. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:02:24 -0500 From: michael wells Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually "Sailing' Shoes" is a good one. I suspect in my younger days I would have gotten "Moving Pictures", but now some Feat or classic Allman Bros. is more likely. "Now Here is Nowhere" from Secret Machines is pretty perfect as well, though. Sent from my iPhone > In my case I suspect it would average out to Sailin' Shoes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:14:26 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: CNN: Kinks' Ray Davies 'just another punk trying to make contact' CNN: Kinks' Ray Davies 'just another punk trying to make contact' http://edition.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/27/ray.davies/index.html **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:18 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: It is kind of funny, actually On Mar 28, 2008, at 6:02 AM, michael wells wrote: > "Sailing' Shoes" is a good one. I suspect in my younger days I would > have gotten "Moving Pictures", but now some Feat or classic Allman > Bros. is more likely. > > "Now Here is Nowhere" from Secret Machines is pretty perfect as > well, though. > Wow - I just woke up with "Lightning Blue Eyes" running through my head! > Sent from my iPhone >> Right back at ya. I've been in Vegas all week and it's been indispensible. Now I know what all those "crackberry" addicts were talking about. - -tc, Leaving Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:45:30 -0500 From: michael wells Subject: Re: Song title misreading (100% RH content) I like it more than the original! Waiting for the plane to Hawaii, Michael Sent from my iPhone > and names the > third one as "Do Policeman Stag?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:19:49 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: TRON without the icky Computer Graphics (0% RH) Freaking brilliant! http://kotaku.com/373226/tron-without-the-icky-computer-graphics - -- Steve Talkowski Character Design & Animation http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:08:10 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: TRON without the icky Computer Graphics (0% RH) Freaking Brilliant! http://kotaku.com/373226/tron-without-the-icky-computer-graphics - -- Steve Talkowski Character Design & Animation http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #556 ********************************