From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #545 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 22 2008 Volume 16 : Number 545 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fuck's Sake! [2fs ] Re: Headline O' The Moment [2fs ] Re: RH vs.Rh (100% musical discussion content!!!) [Rex ] Re: Fuck's Sake! [2fs ] Safari for Windows [2fs ] New on DiME - lots of robyn ! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] fegEats Tonite! ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: fegEats Tonite! [Tom Clark ] The Royalty Scam By BILLY BRAGG Published: March 22, 2008 [HwyCDRrev@aol] Musical "How Do They Do That?" [Michael Sweeney ] Re: The Royalty Scam By BILLY BRAGG Published: March 22, 2008 [Rex Subject: Re: Fuck's Sake! On 3/20/08, JBJ wrote: > > I'm really digging on the guitar leads, and I'm not really a guitar leads > guy. > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded, listened once, deleted straight away. but, what the hell? > > > i'll give it another shote. > > > > I think you should. Janet Weiss' drumming is especially sublime. Just saw them live last night - and enthusiastically second both the guitar thing and the drum thing. I'll probably blogivate about the show a little later today. I was reminded at several points of a couple of other notable bands featuring duelling guitar leads, bass, and drums...Television, to an extent, and oh what was that act from Cambridge in the late '70s and early '80s, two male guitarists with women's names, who got back together again for a stint in the early '00s? Can't remember - my brain sure is getting soggy and soft, boys. I was also surprised that I recognized so many songs from _Real Emotional Trash_. Going in I thought I didn't know the album that well, having had it only three weeks and listened to it only a handful of times...but in fact, every time the band started one of its tunes, I recognized it - not necessarily by title, of course, but as being familiar. That Malkmus - cannier songwriter than I suspected. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:20:34 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Headline O' The Moment On 3/20/08, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > . > Hey, at least she'll be able to tell time more accurately. Why? She's got a second-hand anus. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:26:36 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: RH vs.Rh (100% musical discussion content!!!) On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:06 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > Relatedly: was listening to John Cale's _Artificial Intelligence_ the > other > day...and it occurred to me that it would be amusing to hear The Fall > cover > "Tomahawk Walk"... > I've been wondering recently about the feasibility of audio-manipulating a bunch of McCain speeches into a cover of The Fall's "Frenz"... - -Rex, talkinboutmah frenz uh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:26:36 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: RH vs.Rh (100% musical discussion content!!!) On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:06 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > Relatedly: was listening to John Cale's _Artificial Intelligence_ the > other > day...and it occurred to me that it would be amusing to hear The Fall > cover > "Tomahawk Walk"... > I've been wondering recently about the feasibility of audio-manipulating a bunch of McCain speeches into a cover of The Fall's "Frenz"... - -Rex, talkinboutmah frenz uh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:33:06 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Fuck's Sake! On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:14 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 3/20/08, JBJ wrote: > > > > I'm really digging on the guitar leads, and I'm not really a guitar > leads > > guy. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > > > > > On Mar 19, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > downloaded, listened once, deleted straight away. but, what the > hell? > > > > i'll give it another shote. > > > > > > I think you should. Janet Weiss' drumming is especially sublime. > > > Just saw them live last night - and enthusiastically second both the > guitar > thing and the drum thing. I'll probably blogivate about the show a little > later today. > > I was reminded at several points of a couple of other notable bands > featuring duelling guitar leads, bass, and drums...Television, to an > extent, > and oh what was that act from Cambridge in the late '70s and early '80s, > two > male guitarists with women's names, who got back together again for a > stint > in the early '00s? Can't remember - my brain sure is getting soggy and > soft, > boys. > Neither of those ring a bell. Actually, I hear tell a vision has been confirmed record is mostly recorded, with Verlaine/Smith/Ficca and Jimmy Rip(p) officially replacing Richard Lloyd, to be issued as a Televisoin album. Not a bad thing... the merits of all the players aside, Rip has had better chemistry with Verlaine than Lloyd has in recent years. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:39:30 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Fuck's Sake! On 3/21/08, Rex wrote: > > > > I was reminded at several points of a couple of other notable bands > > featuring duelling guitar leads, bass, and drums...Television, to an > > extent, > > and oh what was that act from Cambridge in the late '70s and early '80s, > > two > > male guitarists with women's names, who got back together again for a > > stint > > in the early '00s? Can't remember - my brain sure is getting soggy and > > soft, > > boys. > > > Neither of those ring a bell. > [fill in stupid obvious joke about not being able to recall a bell being used in either band's oeuvre. Fill in less obvious joke about it was a cup before that.] Actually, I hear tell a vision has been confirmed record is mostly recorded, > with Verlaine/Smith/Ficca and Jimmy Rip(p) officially replacing Richard > Lloyd, to be issued as a Televisoin album. Not a bad thing... the merits of > all the players aside, Rip has had better chemistry with Verlaine than Lloyd > has in recent years. > Ripp's played w/TV (the man not the band) for years anyway - and while he's not as distinctive a player as Lloyd, I'll take it. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:50:42 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Safari for Windows Can't say I'm too impressed... It says it's fast...but it doesn't feel faster than Firefox - if anything, it feels slower. At some websites, it seems less functional than Firefox as well. And I don't like the look of it: everything's got this blue-ish tint (including the text). The silver tone is too strong and too gray, and I don't like the insistence on rendering things 3D-ish that aren't that way in either Firefox or IE. ON that last one: I'm about hoping faux-3D, gradients, and the like are played out. At least I'm tired of seeing them everywhere. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:11:20 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: New on DiME - lots of robyn ! _Robyn Hitchcock 2003-11-17 Great American Music Hall - San Francisco, CA._ (http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=189089&hit=1) _Robyn Hitchcock 2004-11-01 Cat's Cradle - Carrboro, N.C._ (http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=189054&hit=1) _Robyn Hitchcock 2004-10-31 Smiths Olde Bar - Atlanta, GA._ (http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=189051&hit=1) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:43:48 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: fegEats Tonite! mark gloster -- the one, the only -- will be in seattle this glorious evening. to honour the occurence, we'll be partaking of coffee, computers, smack, and whatever else comes to mind. 7:30 at chaco canyon (in the u-district, at 50th and 12th). join us, won't you? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:22:35 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegEats Tonite! Wish I could be there, but we've just commenced the Clark Family Vegas Vacation. We're heading over to the Mandalay Bay right now for lunch and the shark reef adventure - i'll be looking for some Gloster relatives there! - -tc On Mar 22, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > mark gloster -- the one, the only -- will be in seattle this glorious > evening. to honour the occurence, we'll be partaking of coffee, > computers, > smack, and whatever else comes to mind. 7:30 at chaco canyon (in the > u-district, at 50th and 12th). join us, won't you? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:00:03 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: The Royalty Scam By BILLY BRAGG Published: March 22, 2008 Op-Ed Contributor http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22bragg.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=sl o gin The Royalty Scam By BILLY BRAGG Published: March 22, 2008 Dorset, England LAST week at South by Southwest, the rock music conference held every year in Austin, Tex., the talk in hotel lobbies, coffeeshops and the convention center was dominated by one issue: how do musicians make a living in the age of the Internet? Itbs a problem our industry has struggled with in the wake of the rising popularity of sharing mp3 music files. Our discussions were brought into sharp relief when news reached Austin of the sale of Bebo.com to AOL for a staggering $850 million. Bebo is a social-networking site whose membership has risen to 40 million in just two years. In Britain, it ranks with MySpace and Facebook in popularity, although its users tend to come from a younger age group. Estimates suggested that the founder, Michael Birch (along with his wife and co-founder, Xochi), walked away with $600 million for his 70 percent stake in the company. I heard the news with a particular piquancy, as Mr. Birch has cited me as an influence in Bebobs attitude toward artists. He got in touch two years ago after I took MySpace to task over its proprietary rights clause. I was concerned that the site was harvesting residual rights from original songs posted there by unsigned musicians. As a result of my complaints, MySpace changed its terms and conditions to state clearly that all rights to material appearing on the site remain with the originator. A few weeks later, Mr. Birch came to see me at my home. He was hoping to expand his business by hosting music and wanted my advice on how to construct an artist-centered environment where musicians could post original songs without fear of losing control over their work. Following our talks, Mr. Birch told the press that he wanted Bebo to be a site that worked for artists and held their interests first and foremost. In our discussions, we largely ignored the elephant in the room: the issue of whether he ought to consider paying some kind of royalties to the artists. After all, wasnbt he using their music to draw members b and advertising b to his business? Social-networking sites like Bebo argue that they have no money to distribute b their value is their membership. Well, last week Michael Birch realized the value of his membership. Ibm sure hebll be rewarding those technicians and accountants who helped him achieve this success. Perhaps he should also consider the contribution of his artists. The musicians who posted their work on Bebo.com are no different from investors in a start-up enterprise. Their investment is the content provided for free while the site has no liquid assets. Now that the business has reaped huge benefits, surely they deserve a dividend. Whatbs at stake here is more than just the morality of the market. The huge social networking sites that seek to use music as free content are as much to blame for the malaise currently affecting the industry as the music lover who downloads songs for free. Both the corporations and the kids, it seems, want the use of our music without having to pay for it. The claim that sites such as MySpace and Bebo are doing us a favor by promoting our work is disingenuous. Radio stations also promote our work, but they pay us a royalty that recognizes our contribution to their business. Why should that not apply to the Internet, too? Technology is advancing far too quickly for the old safeguards of intellectual property rights to keep up, and while we wait for the technical fixes to emerge, those of us who want to explore the opportunities the Internet offers need to establish a set of ground rules that give us the power to decide how our music is exploited and by whom. We need to do this not for the established artists who already have lawyers, managers and careers, but for the fledgling songwriters and musicians posting original material onto the Web tonight. The first legal agreement that they enter into as artists will occur when they click to accept the terms and conditions of the site that will host their music. Worryingly, no one is looking out for them. If young musicians are to have a chance of enjoying a fruitful career, then we need to establish the principle of artistsb rights throughout the Internet b and we need to do it now. Billy Bragg is a songwriter and author. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:02:29 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Musical "How Do They Do That?" ...After a morning of clicking around on YouTube... The top rock 'n' roll occurences of "How in the Hell Do They Get That Sound out of Those Motions / That Instrument / Even That Combo of Instrument and Effects?" (feel free to add your own mileage variances): 1. Keith Moon - (can't imagine him beng topped for that inexplicable combo of casual / forceful moves that created that sound he put out) 2. Robert Fripp - (speed + math = man, oh, man) 3. Adrian Belew - (Elephant talk? Elephant talk? "scree-wee-wee-wee!") 4. Bill Bruford - (who needs to keep time? bah! -- that's for lesser men...) 5. John Entwistle - (if I were Bill Wyman during both of their heydays. I woulda killed myself out of embarassment) 6. Pete Townshend - (mostly for the variety and volume -- by weight, not sound - -- of stuff he put out when they were a trio w/singer) 7. Andy Summers - (I still think he was playing a TV antenna in the "Synchronicty II" video / '83 tour) 8. Tony Levin - (the Lex Luthor of rock!) 9. Glenn Kotche - (Wilco..."Fell in love with a drummer," indeed...) 10. Lindsey Buckingham - (for the studio work...Kleenex boxes, toy pianos, and banjos never sounded so rock 'n' roll) Michael "And, yes, I was looking at a lot of c. 1981-84 King Crimson stuff on YT" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:45:07 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The Royalty Scam By BILLY BRAGG Published: March 22, 2008 On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > > Our discussions were brought into sharp relief when news reached Austin > of > the sale of Bebo.com to AOL for a staggering $850 million. Bebo is a > social-networking site whose membership has risen to 40 million in just > two > years. I've been wondering about that. So now after more than 30 years I finally know what Tom Verlaine meant when he talked about "getting good reactions with your Bebo talk". - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #545 ********************************