From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #538 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 14 2008 Volume 16 : Number 538 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Appropos of nothing [2fs ] Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and Grant Lee Phillips 2000-06-22 @ Sweetwater Cafe - Mill Valley, CA. [] Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and Grant Lee Phillips 2000-06-22 @ Sweetwater Cafe - Mill Valley, CA. [] Re: Iggy Pop's nipples [djini@voicenet.com] Re: Oliver Stone... [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Oliver Stone... [Michael Sweeney ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #537 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Oliver Stone... [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Appropos of nothing [Caroline Smith ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #537 ["SH McCleary" ] Wildlife (guaranteed Hitchcock-free) ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Appropos of nothing [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Appropos of nothing [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: Appropos of nothing [Rex ] Re: Appropos of nothing ["Sumiko Keay" ] Re: Oliver Stone... [craigie* ] RE: Oliver Stone... ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Oliver Stone... ["kevin studyvin" ] RE: Oliver Stone... [Michael Sweeney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:55:07 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Appropos of nothing On 3/13/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > "(0% rh)" wrote: > > Jeff Dwarf says: > > > , only to discover that ... (drumroll) > > > > > > > > > my waist has shunk 8" since mid-December. > > > > > > That is all.... > > > > congratulations! > > > > but are you keeping the helpful hints all to yourself? > > > Not to be a cliche but: > > 1) eat better food -- more whole grains (which I originally typed as > whore mole grains for some reason) more fruits and vegetables -- and > less of it > 2) but don't be so hyper alarmist that you end up feeling deprived -- > better to go ahead and have some Ben and Jerry's now if you really > want it than waiting a week and end up eating more of it than you > would've in the first place > 3) exercise more. Or, in my case, at all. With skinny friends who are > willing to help drag you along when you need them too, and who can > get you into the gym they (well, one of them) work at for free. > 30-40 minutes of cardio twice a week, and go from there. To which I would only add: don't expect miracles instantly, and just keep doing it. Crazy insane instant-weight-loss-now diets don't work - people can't maintain the weight. Slower approaches work better - particularly if they allow the occasional indulgence so, unless you're already a monk or one of those mad people who only thinks of food as "fuel" and takes no particular pleasure in it, you can actually not obsess all the time over the food you're not eating. About six-seven years ago, I lost probably 40 pounds. Unfortunately, due to slacking off, I gained about 30 of it back. If I can lose 50 from where I am now, I'll be happy. I actually carry it reasonably well - I don't look like Orson Welles - but it's definitely a problem. And you won't see me dressed like Iggy Pop any time soon (thankfully). - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:04:56 -0700 From: JBJ Subject: Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and Grant Lee Phillips 2000-06-22 @ Sweetwater Cafe - Mill Valley, CA. BTW, I will also use my time machine to attend Robyn's 1990 New George's gig in San Rafael. I'll make my Marin County days count for so much more! On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:03 AM, JBJ wrote: > You talk about fuckin-awesome recordings!! I love this show. Eddie Tews > taped it! It helps that I spent my high-school & pre-college days chasing > after this girl who lived in Mill Valley. Still don't know where Sweetwater > Cafe is, but when they invent time travel, she and I will go there instead > of the coffee house in San Anselmo. > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:13 AM, gaseous clay wrote: > > > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=187926&hit=1 > > > > ----- Forwarded message from DIME ----- > > > > Have another. Original info in description below. > > > > ~~~starman~~~ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Grant Lee Hitchcock > > Grant Lee Phillips & Robyn Hitchcock > > June 22, 2000 > > Sweetwater Cafe > > Mill Valley, CA > > > > Source: CSC > D3 > Maxwell XLII C110 > > Transfer: CS Master > TC-RX370 > Soundmax > Cool Edit 2000 > CD Wave > > > flac > > > > Many thanks to KEN "A Wonderful Human Being" THE KENSTER for loan of the > > master tapes! > > > > Many apologies to Mike for the long wait. > > > > Disc 1 (Main Set): > > > > 01. intro > > 02. Cynthia Mask > > 03. Squit > > 04. banter > > 05. Queen Elvis > > 06. banter > > 07. Heavenly > > 08. banter > > 09. I Feel Beautiful > > 10. banter > > 11. Lonesome Serenade > > 12. banter > > 13. I Saw Nick Drake > > 14. Mockingbirds > > 15. Gene Hackman [slight cut due to do battery change] > > 16. banter > > 17. St. Expedite > > 18. banter > > 19. Trams Of Old London [tape flip] > > 20. banter > > 21. Folsom Prison Blues [Johnny Cash] / > > Ring Of Fire [June Carter/Merle Kilgore] > > 22. banter > > 23. Honey Don't Think > > 24. banter > > 25. Antwoman > > 26. Fuzzy > > > > Disc 2 (Encores): > > > > First Encore: > > 01. banter > > 02. Happiness > > 03. Rock Stool [improv] > > 04. Flavour Of Night > > 05. banter > > 06. Harper Valley PTA [improv] > > 07. Harper Valley PTA (in G) [improv] / > > Daydream [Lovin' Spoonfuls] > > 08. Don't Look Down > > 09. banter > > 10. Tangled Up In Blue [Bawb] > > 11. All I Have To Do Is Dream [Everly Brothers] [tape flip] > > Second Encore: > > 12. applause > > 13. banter > > 14. Flamin' Shoe > > 15. banter > > 16. Mighty Joe Moon > > 17. banter > > 18. Clean Steve > > 19. Across The Universe [The Beatles] > > 20. applause > > Third Encore: > > 21. Sound And Vision [David Bowie] / > > Rock Your Baby [George McCrae] / > > When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman [Dr. Hook] / > > Kung Fu Fighting [Carl Douglas] > > 22. I've Got A Feeling [The Beatles] / > > Tracks Of My Tears [Smokey Robinson] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:36:39 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: NEW on DIME: Robyn Hitchcock and Grant Lee Phillips 2000-06-22 @ Sweetwater Cafe - Mill Valley, CA. On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:03 AM, JBJ wrote: > Still don't know where Sweetwater > Cafe is, but when they invent time travel, she and I will go there > instead > of the coffee house in San Anselmo. You're going to have to use time travel to go there since it closed a few months back. It was a beautiful little rustic tavern right on Mill Valley's main avenue. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: Iggy Pop's nipples Lauren wrote: > p.s. btw, the first time i saw iggy live, he (surprise) took his shirt > off at some point and i was all surprised that his chest wasn't > covered in scars and such from some of his early-career antics. maybe > broken glass isn't as sharp as i thought it was. or iggy's just too > cool to scar. Or Iggy and Spike have more in common than we knew, and the "aging" the Igster has been doing is just clever make-up. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:05:49 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... The Great Quail said: > I really liked "JFK," ...Taken purely as film (not as mythos or a "solution" to the assassination or whatever muddled knee-jerk interpretation some haters may apply), IMHO "JFK" is every bit the modern American giant that "Goodfellas," "Chinatown," and "The Godfather" are...eh, make that "post-modern" I suppose (and toss in "Pulp Fiction," which is closer in frenetic tone to "JFK" than "Chinatown" or "The Godfather," I reckon), because of its dazzling, fractured reflection of the events of '63 through the post-Watergate, post-MTV filter of '91. Future generations won't watch it to try and figure out who killed JFK (after all, it was...you know) -- but rather to see what bravura, top-drawer, po-mo, wide-angle/scatter-shot, imaginative film-making was like in the late 20th century... >I thought "Natural Born Killers" was a scream. A big 10-4 on that, good buddy... Michael "Woulda liked to see Taratino's directorial take on his 'NBK' script" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:13:17 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... Lauren said: >a very good movie with "nixon" in the title is "theassassination of richard nixon", which doesn't have much to do withnixon, but doesn't have much to do with mr. stone, either. (i love when penn's character goes to the black panthers and suggeststhey be more inclusive - like zebras!) mostly it's a terrific character study - quite depressing, but mr.penn is captivating, as he tends to be.< ...Yeah, that was a good, quietly angry little film -- AND performance by Penn. His naive approach to the Panthers -- thinking they'd accept him automatically because he'd already internally accepted them and their struggle - -- was particularly well-drawn... Michael "Finally caught up to 'Little Children' the other night; depressing and v. good -- and Kate Winslet was amazing" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:18:32 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #537 >Jeff Dwarf says: > > , only to discover that ... (drumroll) > > > > > > my waist has shunk 8" since mid-December. > > > > That is all.... > >congratulations! > >but are you keeping the helpful hints all to yourself? I thought my 10cm reduction (4 in) in the last year and a quarter was good going, but 8 in three and a half months is mightily impressive! (FWIW, all I've done to achieve my loss is wear a pedometer and make sure it clicks over the 8000 steps mark every day) James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:36:12 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:20 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM, The Great Quail > wrote: > >> I really liked "JFK," "Nixon," and "The Doors," I dug "Fourth >> of >> July" and "Heaven and Earth," and I thought "Natural Born Killers" >> was a >> scream. But I totally understand his many flaws, and I get why so >> many >> people revile him.... >> > > Nixon was great, and casting Kyle McLachlan as Ray Manzarek was a > stroke of > genius, but beyond that I don't have much use for the guy. I am not a fan of Stone and haven't seen too many of his movies, but a couple of early films of his still stand out in my mind: Talk Radio, with Eric Bogasian and Salvador with James Woods. Both of these were riveting, in my memory at least, enough so that I recently acquired Salvador on DVD. He certainly coaxed a couple of amazing performances out of the actors. But not interested in seeing anything else of his though. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:39:09 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Appropos of nothing On 13-Mar-08, at 3:38 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Not to be a cliche but: > > 1) eat better food -- more whole grains (which I originally typed as > whore mole grains for some reason) more fruits and vegetables -- and > less of it > 2) but don't be so hyper alarmist that you end up feeling deprived -- > better to go ahead and have some Ben and Jerry's now if you really > want it than waiting a week and end up eating more of it than you > would've in the first place > 3) exercise more. Or, in my case, at all. With skinny friends who are > willing to help drag you along when you need them too, and who can > get you into the gym they (well, one of them) work at for free. > 30-40 minutes of cardio twice a week, and go from there. And don't forget to keep a low sodium diet. It really does make a difference. 20 pounds of pregnancy weight gone, c. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:15:54 -0400 From: "SH McCleary" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #537 To be absolutley fair, though, the recording of shows is very low down most > security's lists these days. Especially at the shows I go and see. Us > middle-aged folks rarely get searched in the UK. And the H2 can pose as a > (admitedly Large) mobile phone if you want to misdirect... Just have an > imaginary conversation by holding it to your ear as you approach security > and finish the call as you step up, placing the recorder in your pocket. > They think it's a phone and don't even look. Or you can keep it in your > hand as you assume the position. Worked for me...but then, I'm sneaky... > > c* > > ******************************** > > GENIUS! I can imagine this would work just about anywhere. The thing certainly is the right size. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:30:05 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Wildlife (guaranteed Hitchcock-free) Thought I'd pass this along. I've been watching it obsessively for days. http://www.kcrw.com/media-player/mediaPlayer2.html?type=video&id=mb080227grizzly_bear ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... Carrie Galbraith wrote: > I am not a fan of Stone and haven't seen too many of his movies, > but a couple of early films of his still stand out in my mind:\ > Talk Radio, with Eric Bogasian and Salvador with James Woods. Both > of these were riveting, in my memory at least, enough so that I > recently acquired Salvador on DVD. He certainly coaxed a couple of > amazing performances out of the actors. Definitely. The most amazing thing about Salvador is this: Jim Belushi doesn't suck in it; if fact, he's actually fairly okay in it. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:26:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Appropos of nothing Caroline Smith wrote: > On 13-Mar-08, at 3:38 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Not to be a cliche but: > > > > 1) eat better food -- more whole grains (which I originally typed > as > > whore mole grains for some reason) more fruits and vegetables -- > and > > less of it > > 2) but don't be so hyper alarmist that you end up feeling > deprived -- > > better to go ahead and have some Ben and Jerry's now if you > really > > want it than waiting a week and end up eating more of it than you > > would've in the first place > > 3) exercise more. Or, in my case, at all. With skinny friends who > are > > willing to help drag you along when you need them too, and who > can > > get you into the gym they (well, one of them) work at for free. > > 30-40 minutes of cardio twice a week, and go from there. > > > And don't forget to keep a low sodium diet. It really does make a > difference. And of course this: everyone's body is different enough such that all you can really do is try things and see what works by trial and error. Somewhere, there is someone who, if they did exactly what I've done the past 3 months would end up gaining 5 pounds. It's probably a bit easier to do things in moderation when you're 6'4" and are basically just going to be big anyways -- wide shoulders, etc (if I got down to the so-called ideal weight via those stupid chart things (175-185), I'd look emaciated) -- it gives me a bigger margin of error on the way down. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:52:48 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Appropos of nothing On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Caroline Smith wrote: >> On 13-Mar-08, at 3:38 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >>> Not to be a cliche but: >>> >>> 1) eat better food -- more whole grains (which I originally typed >> as >>> whore mole grains for some reason) more fruits and vegetables -- >> and >>> less of it >>> 2) but don't be so hyper alarmist that you end up feeling >> deprived -- >>> better to go ahead and have some Ben and Jerry's now if you >> really >>> want it than waiting a week and end up eating more of it than you >>> would've in the first place >>> 3) exercise more. Or, in my case, at all. With skinny friends who >> are >>> willing to help drag you along when you need them too, and who >> can >>> get you into the gym they (well, one of them) work at for free. >>> 30-40 minutes of cardio twice a week, and go from there. >> >> >> And don't forget to keep a low sodium diet. It really does make a >> difference. > > And of course this: everyone's body is different enough such that all > you can really do is try things and see what works by trial and > error. Somewhere, there is someone who, if they did exactly what I've > done the past 3 months would end up gaining 5 pounds. It's probably a > bit easier to do things in moderation when you're 6'4" and are > basically just going to be big anyways -- wide shoulders, etc (if I > got down to the so-called ideal weight via those stupid chart things > (175-185), I'd look emaciated) -- it gives me a bigger margin of > error on the way down. > Since December I've dropped 30 pounds. I eat less at each meal and upped my daily fruit intake from 2-3 pieces to 5-6 pieces a day. I just use the fruit as snacks. I've also cut dairy from my already low- sodium vegetarian diet and have gotten back in to Tai Chi. I think it's all helping. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:24:00 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Appropos of nothing On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > (if I > got down to the so-called ideal weight via those stupid chart things > (175-185), I'd look emaciated) -- Hey, where's that stupid chart thing? It might actually list my weigh as ideal, where most people would describe it as "scrawny". I should exercise, too, but... god, it's boring. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:30:05 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Appropos of nothing Congratulations! Sumi On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > I'm only boring you with this since the people more directly in my > life I'd normally tell this to first are all people I want to surprse > with it.... > > I was digging through some old clothes that use to fit then didn't > but now might, when I came across a pair of jeans that I'm sure when > I did wear I wore in that lovely under the awning fat guy style I use > to inflict on the public and thought I'd check how close I was to > really being wearable, only to discover that ... (drumroll) > > > my waist has shunk 8" since mid-December. > > That is all.... > > > "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer > > "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute > . > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:03:10 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... Not toilet paper, Twin Peaks... but you knew that... Aargh! I fell into your trap, you fiend! c* On 13/03/2008, Rex wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Bachman, Michael < > Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com> wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > > Behalf Of kevin studyvin > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:20 PM > > To: The Great Quail > > Cc: Fegmaniax! > > Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... > > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM, The Great Quail > > wrote: > > > > >> ....seems to be an asshole, personally, and frequently exhibits > > >> muddle-headed thinking, and hasn't made a worthwhile movie in a long > > time. > > >> But dammit, I enjoy most of his movies. > > >> > > >> I understand that he's a love-him-or-like-him director, and he's > > >> really hard to defend. But I tend to think of him as a mythmaker -- > > >> his biopics are not documentaries as much as they are attempts to > > >> create myths from the American narrative. I really liked "JFK," > > >> "Nixon," and "The Doors," I dug "Fourth of July" and "Heaven and > > >> Earth," and I thought "Natural Born Killers" was a scream. But I > > >> totally understand his many flaws, and I get why so many people > > revile > > >> him.... > > >> > > > > > > >Nixon was great, and casting Kyle McLachlan as Ray Manzarek was a > > stroke of genius, > > >but beyond that I don't have much use for the guy. > > > > Kyle was on a roll back then with some great parts in movies and TP. > > > Toilet paper? Which of his parts were in that? > > > > Platoon is also one of the top Vietnam movies. > > > I'll back off and show a little respect for "Platoon", which is okay... > suffers by comparison to "Full Metal Jacket", but not terrible. > > -Rex > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:18:22 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Oliver Stone... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Sweeney Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:06 PM To: fegs Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... The Great Quail said: >> I really liked "JFK," One of the mucho Michael's from Chicago came back with: >...Taken purely as film (not as mythos or a "solution" to the assassination or >whatever muddled knee-jerk interpretation some haters may apply), IMHO "JFK" >is every bit the modern American giant that "Goodfellas," "Chinatown," and "The >Godfather" are...eh, make that "post-modern" I suppose (and toss in "Pulp Fiction," >which is closer in frenetic tone to "JFK" than "Chinatown" or "The Godfather," >I reckon), because of its dazzling, fractured reflection of the events of '63 through >the post-Watergate, post-MTV filter of '91. Future generations won't watch it to try >and figure out who killed JFK (after all, it was...you know) -- but rather to see >what bravura, top-drawer, po-mo, wide-angle/scatter-shot, imaginative film-making was >like in the late 20th century... Agreed. I don't know why it doesn't get more respect, but in my view LA Confidential should rank with those films as well. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:49:06 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Bachman, Michael < Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com> wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Sweeney > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:06 PM > To: fegs > Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... > > The Great Quail said: > > >> I really liked "JFK," > > > One of the mucho Michael's from Chicago came back with: > > >...Taken purely as film (not as mythos or a "solution" to the > assassination or > >whatever muddled knee-jerk interpretation some haters may apply), IMHO > "JFK" > >is every bit the modern American giant that "Goodfellas," "Chinatown," > and "The > >Godfather" are...eh, make that "post-modern" I suppose (and toss in > "Pulp Fiction," > >which is closer in frenetic tone to "JFK" than "Chinatown" or "The > Godfather," > >I reckon), because of its dazzling, fractured reflection of the events > of '63 through > >the post-Watergate, post-MTV filter of '91. Future generations won't > watch it to try > >and figure out who killed JFK (after all, it was...you know) -- but > rather to see > >what bravura, top-drawer, po-mo, wide-angle/scatter-shot, imaginative > film-making was > >like in the late 20th century... > > Agreed. I don't know why it doesn't get more respect, but in my view LA > Confidential should rank with those films as well "LA Confidential" is terrific.. so are all of the other films cited above, really, but what they possess that "JFK" does not is, I'm Ho, a sense of control... big time control, and unified vision. They are in fact really carefully constructed and orchestrated on every level, which is part of what makes them impressive. You can say that "JFK" (and "NBK" too, I guess) are adjustments to that formula for po-mo MTV-ness, I guess, but to me, they play as purely scattershot because the director didn't really know what he was on about. Of course, one man's "bravura" is another man's "that fucker's too coked up and paranoid to have the slightest idea what he's doing". Stone's style seems to me less aligned with the '80's zeitgeist than with with the '60's relic that he is, and that idea that if you're macho and on drugs, you're an unstoppable creative genius. All you really need to know is that he made a film about the Doors and ...*meant* it. - -Rex, who just found out in the course of his day's work that there was an *animated* version of "Laverne & Shirley" at some point in history. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:50:35 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Oliver Stone... > Agreed. I don't know why it doesn't get more respect, but in my view LA > Confidential should rank with those films as well. > > Michael B. > Amen, brudda. Used to be quite enamored of James Ellroy, whose early novels are so plain ol' batshit crazy they make Jim Thompsons look boring, but as I've become more fmaliar with his neo-Nazi politics and generally Neanderthal consciousness I've kinda lost my taste for his stuff... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:33:26 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: Oliver Stone... Rex wrote: >On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Bachman, Michael wrote: - -----Original Message-----From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael SweeneySent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:06 PMTo: fegsSubject: Re: Oliver Stone...The Great Quail said:>> I really liked "JFK,"One of the mucho Michael's from Chicago came back with: >...Taken purely as film (not as mythos or a "solution" to theassassination or>whatever muddled knee-jerk interpretation some haters may apply), IMHO"JFK">is every bit the modern American giant that "Goodfellas," "Chinatown,"and "The>Godfather" are...eh, make that "post-modern" I suppose (and toss in"Pulp Fiction,">which is closer in frenetic tone to "JFK" than "Chinatown" or "TheGodfather,">I reckon), because of its dazzling, fractured reflection of the eventsof '63 through>the post-Watergate, post-MTV filter of '91. Future generations won'twatch it to try>and figure out who killed JFK (after all, it was...you know) -- butrather to see>what bravura, top-drawer, po-mo, wide-angle/scatter-shot, imaginativefilm-making was>like in the late 20th century...Agreed. I don't know why it doesn't get more respect, but in my view LAConfidential should rank with those films as well >"LA Confidential" is terrific.. so are all of the other films cited above, really, but what they possess that "JFK" does not is, I'm Ho, a sense of control... big time control, and unified vision. They are in fact really carefully constructed and orchestrated on every level, which is part of what makes them impressive. You can say that "JFK" (and "NBK" too, I guess) are adjustments to that formula for po-mo MTV-ness, I guess, but to me, they play as purely scattershot because the director didn't really know what he was on about. < ...Mileage varying and all...but, when it comes to "JFK," I couldn't disagree more ("NBK" IS randomized and a bit of a mess, but in a fun-ish / winking way) - -- to me, "JFK" is completely "carefully constructed" and the end result does exactly what Stone set out to do. Whereas it seems that "The Godfather" is the culmination of the "Citizen Kane" story-telling / myth-making movie (w/out, of course, some of Welles' cleverer tricks), "JFK" takes many common elements -- the framing "narrator" character, driving the action; the "Rashomon" views; the seemingly quotidian asides -- and reframes them through a po-mo filter (although, one thing "JFK" is NOT is arch or (despite some of its turns) cynical -- it fairly screams its earnestness as it points at what others will henceforth call cynicism). Even the long, exposition-style courtroom declamation by Garrison (which, of course, no judge would allow to unspiel unbroken) works as high-wire sprinting because the character and the movie have staked out their claim and earned their chance to finally illustrate the Zapruder-shown (and beyond) events of November 22nd...AND, well, because by then the obsessed Garrison would indeed seem ready to even collar strangers on the street and start in on with "back...and to the left" evidence... Also -- what a cast! (although I always find watching Jack Lemmon getting the shit beaten out of him by Ed Asner extra creepy) Michael "BTW? 'I'm Ho' -- FTW!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #538 ********************************