From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #534 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, March 11 2008 Volume 16 : Number 534 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 83 [Rex ] Re: Serbian Ethno Canadiana [Rex ] RE: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 83 ["Bachman, Mic] Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 [djini@voicen] Okay, now Madonna belong in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The perfect gun ... [Rex ] Re: The perfect gun ... [Tom Clark ] Re: The perfect gun ... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The perfect gun ... [2fs ] Iggy Pop's nipples [Jeff Dwarf ] Bleak Beat (was Re: the force is maybe with you, pt. 409) [Carrie Galbrai] Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 [Sebastian Ha] Re: Bleak Beat (was Re: the force is maybe with you, pt. 409) [Sebastian ] Re: Insignificance [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 [Sebastian Ha] Zombies question [Jill Brand ] Re: Zombies question [Rex ] Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 [Rex ] Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Iggy Pop's nipples [2fs ] Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! [Christopher Gross ] Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! ["(0% rh)" ] Re: Iggy Pop's nipples ["(0% rh)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:04:26 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 83 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:28 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > p.s. i don't know why i'm bothering to remember that i dislike > > speilberg, when i could be remembering how i dislike ollie stone like > > 1000X more. > > > > Don't know if anybody remembers the Ben Stiller Show from the early days > > of Fox but in one of the episodes there was a whole deal about Oliver > Stone > > Land, a theme park based on Stone's movies. "I am an Indian, but I also represent Death." Good stuff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:10:03 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The cult of personality On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:49 AM, wrote: > > And hey, topical!: > http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/080310-mm-grb-us.html > "Real Death Star Could Strike Earth" I love the inset of the "actual" Death Star, for... comparison? To remind us what it looked like? The best bit was knowing that it was going to be there before clicking the link, although I guess they surprised me by having the unfinished ROTJ model. Credit where it's due, and all. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:11:45 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Serbian Ethno Canadiana On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Caroline Smith wrote: > > > Well, if you're ever near a TV (looks similar to a computer monitor, > usually operated by a remote control), say in a hotel room or > something, and want to watch some TV news, the National, anchored by > Peter Mansbridge, runs every evening on the CBC. I believe they are also opening for R.E.M. on some dates this year. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:59:46 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 83 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:04 PM To: kevin studyvin Cc: (0% rh); a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 83 On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:28 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > p.s. i don't know why i'm bothering to remember that i dislike > > speilberg, Saving Private Ryan, when the camera is panning over the cemetery in Normandy and the first grave is a Star Of David, and there isn't a second one to be seen! That's some perspective you got there Steven! Lots of clumsy dialog strung between a couple of gory battle scenes. Das Boot and Sam Fuller's The Big Red One are much better WWII movies. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: djini@voicenet.com Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 Carrie said: > And maybe we all remember it > because of the Red Balloon?? I mean a classic I remember as if I was > a child when I first saw it (which is doubtful since French films did > not show on the TV in LA in the 60s). Maybe you saw it at school? I have a pretty clear memory of sitting on the floor in some schoolroom, watching that movie. "Special assembly" they called it, or, I suspect, "Happy Hour in the Teacher's Lounge." > Anytime I get the program for a film festival, I underline the films > that are described as "bleak" before anything else. If "bleak" is in > the description - I'm there! Frankly, it's getting harder and harder > to find that description these days. I did see a lovely little film a > few years back at a festival called "Wristcutters" that I highly > recommend... Nice and bleak. Have you seen Junebug? The current ubiquity of Amy Adams in shiny twinkly mode just makes me want to see that bleak little number again. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Okay, now Madonna belong in the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/11/DD96VHKCA.DTL Madonna didn't perform, but asked punk rockers Iggy Pop and the Stooges to sing "Burning Up" and "Ray of Light." "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: The perfect gun ... ... for someone trying to compensate for their big penis. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=526655&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490 "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:19:23 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The perfect gun ... Just me, or does the subject line seem to be the second feglist reference to MC 900 Foot Jesus this year? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:27:16 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The perfect gun ... On Mar 11, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Rex wrote: > Just me, or does the subject line seem to be the second feglist > reference to > MC 900 Foot Jesus this year? > The killer inside me says 'yes'. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The perfect gun ... Rex wrote: > Just me, or does the subject line seem to be the second feglist > reference to MC 900 Foot Jesus this year? I don't actually remember anything about MC 900 Foot Jesus except his name, so while it may not just be you, it wasn't my intent. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:51:25 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The perfect gun ... On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > ... for someone trying to compensate for their big penis. > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=526655&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490 > > For doll assassins. (Wait - I call dibs on "Doll Assassins" as band name...) Also, following the link about Madonna's "transparent dress" (oh come on - it ain't that transparent, and she's wearing gramma's undies underneath - okay, if gramma were a biker), I note that poor Iggy Pop is still suffering from his terrifying shirt allergy. Donate now, to find a cure. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Iggy Pop's nipples 2fs wrote: > Also, following the link about Madonna's "transparent dress" (oh > come on - it ain't that transparent, and she's wearing gramma's > undies underneath - okay, if gramma were a biker), I note that > poor Iggy Pop is still suffering > from his terrifying shirt allergy. > > Donate now, to find a cure. An even more bizarre example is this: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/49229-jeff-tweedy-colin-meloy-iggy-pop-on-lil-bush-dvd I mean, I can kinda see the logic of going shirtless on stage -- Iggy does run around a lot and does get sweaty. But just sitting around doing voiceover work? "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:04:12 -0700 From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Bleak Beat (was Re: the force is maybe with you, pt. 409) On Mar 11, 2008, at 10:28 AM, djini@voicenet.com wrote: > > Have you seen Junebug? The current ubiquity of Amy Adams in shiny > twinkly mode just > makes me want to see that bleak little number again. I think the bleakest film I ever saw was by the Hungarian Director - Bela Tar. The film was called "Satantango" and played at the SF Film Festival in '94. They scheduled it for one Sunday in SF and one Sunday in Berkeley. I bought a Berkeley ticket and my friends were teasing me that maybe I should go to the SF showing as well. It's a 7 hour film and has 3 breaks meaning 9 hours total in the cinema (longer than The Kingdom!). Shot in black and white, this is from commentary about the pace of the film: The opening shot, about 10 minutes long, is an enormous tracking shot following a herd of cows wandering through an otherwise desolate village. Then there's this 10-minute take of a window at dawn. Everything but the window is dark, then ever so slowly morning light brings the objects in the room into view, a character finally enters, peers out the window, then goes back to bed. There's a 5-minute tracking shot of two characters hurrying down the street in a horrendous wind while a veritable tornado of garbage and litter whirls about them. There's a stark, almost surreal woods strewn with fog. No take is less than a minute long, and there are about a dozen around 10 minutes. It's bleak. And I loved it of course. Yep, should have bought the SF ticket as well... - - c, who thinks Tarkovsky was possibly the greatest director who ever lived ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:09:41 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 - -- djini@voicenet.com is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Mdrz 2008 13:28:20 - -0400 regarding Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409: > Have you seen Junebug? I know you're not talking to me, but: I just DL'ed it, after I saw "Enchanted" a few days ago. > The current ubiquity of Amy Adams in shiny twinkly > mode just makes me want to see that bleak little number again. I read that she's shiny and twinkly (or "sweeter than peaches", as Roger Ebert put it) in that film as well, bleak circumstances notwithstanding. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:15:14 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Bleak Beat (was Re: the force is maybe with you, pt. 409) - -- Carrie Galbraith is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Mdrz 2008 14:04:12 -0700 regarding Bleak Beat (was Re: the force is maybe with you, pt. 409): > I think the bleakest film I ever saw ... > - c, who thinks Tarkovsky was possibly the greatest director who ever > lived Tarkovsky was the name that came to my mind immediately when I read that opening. I loved Stalker, but Offret (The Sacrifice) was a bit much for me. I was only 18 when I saw it ... Solaris didn't do much for me, somehow. I never liked the novel all that much, either. The others I haven't yet seen. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:24:39 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: Insignificance Lauren sez: > > of course, the bowie jag included renting "the man who fell to earth." > > my, he's pretty. after that, i finally remembered to check if > > "insignificance" is out on dvd - my sources say no. i never get to > > see that movie. i could never find it on VHS. think i saw it once > > on UHF, but that's it. Huh? In most vid shops here, you can't move for copies of it in cutout bins. Unless I'm getting the title confused with something else... sort of post-apocalyptic get-together with Marilyn Monroe and Albert Einstein? James ('course, you'd have to have a multi-zone player if you wanted me to find you a copy...) PS - glad to hear that "Performance" is out there available, too. PPS - a quick look through my DVDs indicates that I have "Pollock", "Basquiat", "Frida", and "I shot Andy Warhol" Do I spot an unexpected pattern here? - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:21:10 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 - -- "(0% rh)" is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Mdrz 2008 03:49:07 -0400 regarding Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409: > i think the guys will agree with me on this one: more female feg posts = > yay. Absolutely! - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Zombies question There's been all this Zombies talk on the list, and this had led me to realize that I don't actually own anything by the Zombies. Most of what I know is the stuff they played non-stop when I was a kid (She's Not There [The Theme Song from Bunny Lake is Missing], Time of the Season, etc.). I want to get a Zombies CD for my son for his birthday, and I was thinking of getting him Odessey & Oracle because it has been mentioned here more than once, and because I love the song Care of Cell 44. What are your thoughts, fegs? Jill, who knows where to turn when she has important questions ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:27:12 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Zombies question On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > There's been all this Zombies talk on the list, and this had led me to > realize that I don't actually own anything by the Zombies. Most of what I > know is the stuff they played non-stop when I was a kid (She's Not There > [The Theme Song from Bunny Lake is Missing], Time of the Season, etc.). I > want to get a Zombies CD for my son for his birthday, and I was thinking > of getting him Odessey & Oracle because it has been mentioned here more > than once, and because I love the song Care of Cell 44. What are your > thoughts, fegs? O&O is fabulous, one of the most albumy albums of the era excluding the Beatles and Kinks catalogs. I have that and a serviceable Best-Of and feel pretty satisfied with that. If there are other essentials known to the feg collective, do tell... I'm pretty big on the British Invasion, but I don't have, like, original Hollies or DC5 records to prove it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:35:13 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, yaddy, yah, pt. 409 On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn < Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote: > -- "(0% rh)" is rumored to have mumbled on 11. > Mdrz 2008 03:49:07 -0400 regarding Re: the force is maybe with you, yaddy, > yaddy, yah, pt. 409: > > > i think the guys will agree with me on this one: more female feg posts > = > > yay. > > Absolutely! For some reason I haven't gotten my "Girls of Feg 2008" calendar yet... anyone else had the same problem? Off-topicker, you know what's really hard to find via Googling by lyrics? Is any R&B / Top 40 song from about 18 years ago. Because you know you're the type of lady I want in my life my love for you is forever and we'll be together always I need you, and so forth. You listen to the whole song waiting for that refernece to Norway or lobsters or Debbie Reynolds that'll narrow the field... in vain. Alas, RH has spoiled us. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:53:20 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! There you all go again, hating on Senior Spielbergo. Case in point: > Saving Private Ryan, when the camera is panning over the cemetery in > Normandy and the first grave is a Star Of David, and there isn't a > second one to be seen! That's some perspective you got there Steven! Huh? I've seen the movie maybe six or seven times, I recall there being more stars of David. Also, it was shot in the actual cemetery, which is overwhelmingly cross-y. And one of the prominent characters in the movie was Jewish. Not sure what else you wanted...? I do not think the dialogue was clumsy at all. As much as I love Spielberg (The man made Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, the Raiders movies, Private Ryan, and Munich for God's sake) I do think he has an unfortunate sentimental steak, and sure, there was some mawkishness in Ryan that turned me off. But to dismiss it wholesale...? Hm. That scene where the grunts are so pissed off at Ryan's absence that the start counting dog tags angrily, oblivious to the passing soldiers? Or when the German soldier slides the knife into the US soldier, frantically "shushing" him? And the battle scenes were more than simply "gory." The level of tension sustained, the clarity of action depicted amidst a larger tapestry of chaos, the almost hallucinatory attention to detail.... The battle scenes first created for Ryan and later perfected in Band of Brothers set a new cinematic standard. All this indie-snark hating on Spielberg has never made any sense to me. Sure, there's a lot to criticize, but to dismiss him, to *hate* on his work, has always struck me as fundamentally narrow-minded. Like those Pitchfork reviewers who can only enjoy a band that no more than 78 other record store clerks have ever heard of.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:05:29 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! - -- The Great Quail is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Mdrz 2008 17:53:20 -0400 regarding Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo!: > I do think he has an unfortunate sentimental > steak Yeah, those often leave a bad aftertaste ... (I'm a vegetarian, but I couldn't let that opportunity pass) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:09:24 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > > All this indie-snark hating on Spielberg has never made any sense to me. > Sure, there's a lot to criticize, but to dismiss him, to *hate* on his > work, > has always struck me as fundamentally narrow-minded. Like those Pitchfork > reviewers who can only enjoy a band that no more than 78 other record > store > clerks have ever heard of.... I think a lot of people confuse or conflate Spielberg's output with that of his imitators (some of whom he nurtured, yeah, but even that wave crested a long time ago). Spielberg's early work has a lot to recommend it, even if it's not your cuppa... but almost anything that might be described as "Spielbergian" without actually being directed by the guy is almost certainly odious, especially the post-ET knockoffs. You can start with "The Goonies" and trace the phony "wonderment of childhood" stuff up to the present day. Vaguely related... is "Horton Hears a Who" actually going to be good, as some here have intimated? Looks like I'm seeing it for my birthday this year. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:40:20 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! On Mar 11, 2008, at 7:09 PM, Rex wrote: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:53 PM, The Great Quail > wrote: > >> All this indie-snark hating on Spielberg has never made any sense >> to me. >> Sure, there's a lot to criticize, but to dismiss him, to *hate* on >> his >> work, >> has always struck me as fundamentally narrow-minded. Like those >> Pitchfork >> reviewers who can only enjoy a band that no more than 78 other record >> store clerks have ever heard of.... Couldn't have said it better myself Quail! I mean, c'mon, JAWS and Indiana freaking Jones, and Close Encounters and Jurassic Park, because he realized that go-motion was dead and gave computer animation its next huge surge after Terminator 2 and had us believing that dinosaurs could walk the earth once again. And, despite starring Mr. Scientology, I really enjoyed his economical approach to pulling off War of the Worlds. > Vaguely related... is "Horton Hears a Who" actually going to be > good, as > some here have intimated? Saw it on Saturday morning at the Ziegfeld and loved it. My former peeps at Blue Sky pulled off a worthy Seuss adaptation. Course, you have to sit through some heavy-handed family values sprinkled throughout, but the art direction and character animation are equal to Pixar on this one. - -Steve - -- Steve Talkowski Character Design & Animation http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:44:06 -0400 From: "SH McCleary" Subject: Re: Don't Murder The Damned! I'm with craigie. The H2 is an outstanding piece of audio equipment at a very reasonable price. I've used mine to record kids' concerts, practices, ambient sound, and a couple meetings. I'd been dreaming of one of those nice Edirol units, but they're more than twice the price. I can't wait to take mine to the beach this summer with a nice big windsock. Yeah the built-in mics are REALLY smooth. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:56:32 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Iggy Pop's nipples On 3/11/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > > poor Iggy Pop is still suffering > > from his terrifying shirt allergy. > > > > Donate now, to find a cure. > > An even more bizarre example is this: > > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/49229-jeff-tweedy-colin-meloy-iggy-pop-on-lil-bush-dvd > > I mean, I can kinda see the logic of going shirtless on stage -- Iggy > does run around a lot and does get sweaty. But just sitting around > doing voiceover work? Dude keepin it real! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, The Great Quail wrote: > There you all go again, hating on Senior Spielbergo. Case in point: > > > Saving Private Ryan, when the camera is panning over the cemetery in > > Normandy and the first grave is a Star Of David, and there isn't a > > second one to be seen! That's some perspective you got there Steven! > > Huh? I've seen the movie maybe six or seven times, I recall there being more > stars of David. Also, it was shot in the actual cemetery, which is > overwhelmingly cross-y. And one of the prominent characters in the movie was > Jewish. Not sure what else you wanted...? I just took the drastic step of checking. (Yes, I have SPR on DVD. But in my defense, I bought it used.) A Star of David gravestone was indeed prominent, but not quite the first marker seen. There are a couple of other Stars of David visible during the sweeping pan through the cemetary, though you have to look carefully to spot them. There's also a Star of David visible behind Senior Citizen Ryan when he falls to his knees, but that might just be the first one again. > I do not think the dialogue was clumsy at all. As much as I love Spielberg > (The man made Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, the Raiders movies, Private Ryan, > and Munich for God's sake) I do think he has an unfortunate sentimental > steak, and sure, there was some mawkishness in Ryan that turned me off. The mawkishness was indeed the big problem with that movie. Maybe that was what Michael B really had in mind when he criticized the dialogue? After all, weak points like Ryan's memory of his brother and the farmgirl or Capt. Miller's exhortation to "earn this" were delivered through dialogue, however good the rest of the dialogue may have been. > All this indie-snark hating on Spielberg has never made any sense to me. > Sure, there's a lot to criticize, but to dismiss him, to *hate* on his work, > has always struck me as fundamentally narrow-minded. Like those Pitchfork The *degree* of hatred seems excessive to me. You'd think the red dress in Schindler's List was an hour-long car chase featuring Vin Diesel and Paris Hilton or something. Maybe the problem is that Spielberg is usually good at what he does, so people who aren't into his kind of movies hate him because they can almost imagine falling under his spell? Just a theory. - --Junior Spielbergo ps: And let's not forget that Nathan Fillion appeared in Saving Private Ryan.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:36:33 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Quit hating on Senior Spielbergo! The Great Quail says: > All this indie-snark hating on Spielberg has never made any sense to me. > Sure, there's a lot to criticize, but to dismiss him, to *hate* on his work, > has always struck me as fundamentally narrow-minded. Like those Pitchfork > reviewers who can only enjoy a band that no more than 78 other record store > clerks have ever heard of.... i at least *tried* to make a positive contribution to The Thread of Hate by attempting to change the subject to my much more significant dislike of ollie stone. but, alas, everyone is having so much fun with disliking speilberg - who am i to ruin such fun. hate on, brothers. xo - -- "God exists since mathematics is consistent, and the Devil exists since we cannot prove it." -- Andri Weil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:45:22 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: Iggy Pop's nipples jeff 2fs says: > On 3/11/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I mean, I can kinda see the logic of going shirtless on stage -- Iggy > > does run around a lot and does get sweaty. But just sitting around > > doing voiceover work? > > > Dude keepin it real! amen to that. who the hell would want a shirt on mr. pop? only the same sick fuck who dresses spike. xo p.s. btw, the first time i saw iggy live, he (surprise) took his shirt off at some point and i was all surprised that his chest wasn't covered in scars and such from some of his early-career antics. maybe broken glass isn't as sharp as i thought it was. or iggy's just too cool to scar. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #534 ********************************