From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #531 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 10 2008 Volume 16 : Number 531 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's [] Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's [] Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's [] Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's [] Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's [] Mini-Review ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's [] april fool ? [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than [] =?UTF-8?Q?CRITICS=E2=80=99=20FAVOURITES=20THAT=20THE=20PUBLIC=2 0?= =?UTF-8?Q?HATES=20?= [] =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_CRITICS=92_FAVOURITES_THAT_THE_PUBLIC2_0HA TES?= [2f] Re: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse [] Re: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse [] Re: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse [] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #530 [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] The cult of personality [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: [bot-dimeadozen-org] NEW on DIME: Slim Cessna's Auto Club - 2008-03-07 - Seattle [JBJ ] The Zombies [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: The Zombies [2fs ] Re: The Zombies [Dolph Chaney ] Re: The Zombies [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:31:24 -0400 From: "Stewart Russell" Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's On 09/03/2008, Rex wrote: > > STAR WARS unquestionably WAS our Beatles. And kind of continue to be, > despite the shittiness of the prequels... I think Clerks II covered this one quite well. Though I've, uh, seen neither trilogy. Stewart - -- http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:11:48 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's On 3/9/08, Stewart Russell wrote: > > On 09/03/2008, Rex wrote: > > > > STAR WARS unquestionably WAS our Beatles. And kind of continue to be, > > despite the shittiness of the prequels... > > > I think Clerks II covered this one quite well. > > Though I've, uh, seen neither trilogy. Well, it being "our generation's Beatles," you'd probably just hate them anyway... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:52:48 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's The original three are great (and does anybody know if there's any way at this late date of finding copies of them before Lucas decided to spiff them up with all the neat stuff technological hindsight enabled him to slap on?), the prequels tend to blow. On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Stewart Russell wrote: > On 09/03/2008, Rex wrote: > > > > STAR WARS unquestionably WAS our Beatles. And kind of continue to be, > > despite the shittiness of the prequels... > > I think Clerks II covered this one quite well. > > Though I've, uh, seen neither trilogy. > > Stewart > > -- > http://scruss.com/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:50:39 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's yes, he is listed as an influence of beirut. i had downloaded his discography as well; but have yet to listen in on the proceedings. aw, you never gotta worry about wasting fegs' time. all this meta shit is in some ways more realer and interestinger than the actual real shit. you OUGHT, however, to worry about heeding my advice and seeing the auto club's gig at safari sam's tomorrow. given your background, i suspect you'd dig it more than most. if true (and i can't deny), that's a pretty horrifying indictment of...something or other. perhaps apropos: didja know that *Catcher In The Rye* to this day moves 250,000 units per year (at least, according to wikipedia it does)? that's gotta be kicking *Dark Side Of The Moon*'s arse about fifteen thousand ways from sunday, no? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:50:39 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's yes, he is listed as an influence of beirut. i had downloaded his discography as well; but have yet to listen in on the proceedings. aw, you never gotta worry about wasting fegs' time. all this meta shit is in some ways more realer and interestinger than the actual real shit. you OUGHT, however, to worry about heeding my advice and seeing the auto club's gig at safari sam's tomorrow. given your background, i suspect you'd dig it more than most. if true (and i can't deny), that's a pretty horrifying indictment of...something or other. perhaps apropos: didja know that *Catcher In The Rye* to this day moves 250,000 units per year (at least, according to wikipedia it does)? that's gotta be kicking *Dark Side Of The Moon*'s arse about fifteen thousand ways from sunday, no? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:57:09 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Mini-Review devotchka, *A Mad And Faithful Telling* first impression is mild disappointment. i do believe, however, that *Challengers* syndrome is in play here, as i really love this band, and have been quite looking forward to the new record. (er, come to think of it: a devothcka/beirut tour. what could be finer? i guess they'd each want to headline, eh...) big pluses: urata's voice has never sounded more heartbreaking; and (coming from somebody who knows less than nothing about the recording process) it strikes me as sonically quite superb. yes, i do think this one will grow on me. minus: only 41 minutes in length. oddities: most of the songs feel like an *introduction* to the album, so it's as though one is always waiting for the album to properly get begun. also the songs seem to leave an unsettling (even slightly queasy, if you can believe it) ash in their wake. maybe there're subliminal messages in there (or what)? anyways, another band to see live before y' die...and it'll be in your town soon (indeed, you european fegs will have first crack at them)! oh, check 'em on KEXP (from SXSW) on friday morning. here endeth the unsolicted proselytisation. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:43:43 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Zbigniew Brzezinski's On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > The original three are great Erm, two. The dropoff is pretty steep between EMPIRE and JEDI. > (and does anybody know if there's any way at > this late date of finding copies of them before Lucas decided to spiff > them > up with all the neat stuff technological hindsight enabled him to slap > on?), > the prequels tend to blow. They came out on DVD last year, I think. I actually just fired up an old VHS of the 1977 film for the kids, and that really did reinforce the general impression that the wrong stuff was tinkered with for those "Special Editions". Those VHS's must be at least 15 years old and the copy is already touting them as definitive editions your family will cherish forever... I kinda smirked to see that, but then, hell, I was the guy still playing it, so the joke is surely on me. Slim Cessna wrote a song about Kristin Hersh and her husband, yeah? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:05:19 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: april fool ? _http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Cat-Robyn-Hitchcock/dp/B0014062XO/ref=sr_1_41?ie =UTF8&s=music&qid=1205125419&sr=1-41_ (http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Cat-Robyn-Hitchcock/dp/B0014062XO/ref=sr_1_41?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1205125419&sr=1-41) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:30:29 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse than Rex says: > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM, kevin studyvin wrote: > > > The original three are great > > > Erm, two. The dropoff is pretty steep between EMPIRE and JEDI. i invented a personality test based upon which star wars movie is a person's favourite (the invention process was grueling, although i confess it took all of two minutes). but the test is a bit shaky these days as i invented it a while ago, so if one's choice is one of those anakin movies, the test's a big flop. well, actually that's not true - if someone chooses one of those, i don't need the test anyway; i can just file that person under "Something is Very Wrong." feel free to answer so i can Judge You. xo p.s. if my own personal choice isn't really obvious, i'm not doing my job around this place. - -- "God exists since mathematics is consistent, and the Devil exists since we cannot prove it." -- Andri Weil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:31:18 EDT From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?CRITICS=E2=80=99=20FAVOURITES=20THAT=20THE=20PUBLIC=2 0?= =?UTF-8?Q?HATES=20?= the article : _http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/arti c le3492137.ece_ (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/arti cle3492137.ece) the list CRITICSb FAVOURITES THAT THE PUBLIC HATES 1 Captain Beefheart, Trout Mask Replica 2 The Fall, Hex Enduction Hour 3 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Tender Prey 4 The Flying Burrito Brothers, The Gilded Palace of Sin 5 Robert Wyatt, Dondestan 6 Ron Sexsmith, Other Songs 7 Lou Reed, Metal Machine Music 8 Dexybs Midnight Runners, Donbt Stand Me Down 9 Palace Music, Viva Last Blues 10 Scott Walker, Tilt 11 Guided by Voices, Bee Thousand 12 Slint, Spiderland 13 Aimee Mann, Whatever 14 Randy Newman, Sail Away 15 Brendan Benson, Alternative to Love 16 Cardinal, Cardinal 17 Van Morrison, Astral Weeks 18 Love, Forever Changes 19 Big Star, Radio City 20 Vic Chesnutt, Is the Actor Happy? PUBLIC FAVOURITES THAT THE CRITICS HATE 1 Meat Loaf, Bat out of Hell 2 Eagles, Hotel California 3 Norah Jones, Come Away with Me 4 James Blunt, Back to Bedlam 5 CC)line Dion, Falling into You 6 Mariah Carey, Music Box 7 Shania Twain, Come on Over 8 Bon Jovi, Slippery When Wet 9 Billy Joel, Greatest Hits 10 Cher, Believe 11 Dido, No Angel 12 Lionel Richie, Canbt Slow Down 13 Ricky Martin, Ricky Martin 14 Cranberries, No Need to Argue 15 Genesis, We Canbt Dance 16 Pearl Jam, Vs 17 Supertramp, Breakfast in America 18 Simply Red, Stars 19 Robbie Williams, Swing When Youbre Winning 20 Jeff Wayne, War of the Worlds **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:12:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Re:_CRITICS=92_FAVOURITES_THAT_THE_PUBLIC2_0HA TES?= On 3/10/08, HwyCDRrev@aol.com wrote: > > the article : > > _http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/arti > c > le3492137.ece_ > ( > http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/arti > cle3492137.ece) I find it odd that early on the article, the writer asserts something like "in an ideal world, we'd all have the same criteria." Why the hell would that ever be true? If you listen to music because it makes you feel good, or because it reminds you of all the great times you had your senior year of high school, or because it reminds you of that club where you met that incredibly hot guy/gal you had sex with in the restroom, well who are critics to argue? Conversely, if someone has listened to literally tens of thousands of records and therefore is likelier to value qualities that aren't as readily apparent but rise to the surface upon either repeated listening or experienced listening, well why shouldn't they? The dumbest line, though, was this one: "Critics are particularly keen on authenticity, innovation, great lyrics and - most of all - a direct and identifiable connection between the emotions of the songwriter and the finished work." Maybe in _Rolling Stone_ circa 1975 - but the whole notion of "authenticity," as well as the whole notion that good music is about "great lyrics" never mind the lame-ass repetition of A and E chords in straight 8th notes on an old acoustic, is surely a bit outdated. At any rate, very few of the supposed "critics' faves" do that. In many cases (as the article sort of acknowledges) it's less that the public "hates" those faves as that they've just plain never heard them. I'd also question whether _Metal Machine Music_ is truly a critical favorite. Okay, among those who've had anything other than bafflement or utter scorn for it, most of them are critics...but I'm not sure there are enough of those to make it a "favorite." It's also interesting, once more, to see the difference between British and non-British critics. I don't read the British press, so I don't think I've ever read any critic praise that Dexy's Midnight Runners disc...and both Pearl Jam and Meat Loaf have a small ("small" particularly for the latter) but vocal contingent of critic fans. Maybe that's just a US phenomenon. (I also think it's cheating to list a greatest hits album...or maybe, as a former critic, I think critics automatically discount them as not being actual albums, whereas the general public is only too happy - and who can blame them - to pay the price of one CD for all the songs they know while avoiding all the lesser tracks they don't care about?) Anyway, I think this writer should read Carl Wilson's 33 1/3 entry on Celine Dion - which is really more about musical taste, what it means, where it comes from, and so on. (Uh, I should read it, too - haven't gotten around to it yet.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:16:21 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse On 3/10/08, (0% rh) wrote: > > Rex says: > > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 1:52 PM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > > > > > The original three are great > > > > > > Erm, two. The dropoff is pretty steep between EMPIRE and JEDI. > > i invented a personality test based upon which star wars movie is a > person's favourite _The Empire Strikes Back_. Followed by the original - which I will reveal my non-geek status by noting that for me it's just plain _Star Wars_ no subtitle. _...Jedi_ was indeed ruined a bit - primarily by the damned Ewoks. I saw the first of the prequels - and hated it. Never saw either of the other two - although a friend played me about five minutes of the third one to demonstrate his belief that George Lucas is so utterly terrible directing actors that even good actors come across like idiots re-enacting their favorite films on public access channels in Chowaska, Montana. He was right. I have no idea if there's really such a place as "Chowaska." - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:38:18 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse > Never saw either of the other two - although a friend played me about five > minutes of the third one to demonstrate his belief that George Lucas is so > utterly terrible directing actors that even good actors come across like > idiots re-enacting their favorite films on public access channels in > Chowaska, Montana. He was right. > Amen. What I concluded while watching that final, terrible movie was that while Lucas obviously knew what he was *trying* to create in terms of grand operatic structure he didn't have the chops to actually materialilze it, so what you get in effect is a sort of demo. Too bad he didn't have the sense to hand it off to a writer and/or director who could have made the movie he was only capable of more-or-less hinting at. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:03:57 -0700 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: the force is maybe with you, may not (was Re: My name is "Eb", and being that I play a butt-doctor on the prime-time teevee, I feel that one will (nor should they!) question my competence to offer that as bunge-holes go, one could do a lot worse > i invented a personality test based upon which star wars movie is a > person's favourite (the invention process was grueling, although i > confess it took all of two minutes). but the test is a bit shaky > these days as i invented it a while ago, so if one's choice is one of > those anakin movies, the test's a big flop. well, actually that's not > true - if someone chooses one of those, i don't need the test anyway; > i can just file that person under "Something is Very Wrong." > > feel free to answer so i can Judge You. I'm of two minds. It's pretty clear ESB is the best of the batch, probably because Lucas had the least involvement in it. On the other hand I'll always be fond of the first one because after my persnickety, not to say shrill and hysterical, not to say outright crazy girlfriend (who shrieked at me on one occasion, "Please tell me why the fuck I'm wasting my time with a bubble gum-chewing rock and roller!" when the neighbors complained after I played Mott the Hoople's Brain Capers too loud one time too many [my response was a simple-but-elegant shrug, which I lived to regret]) held her nose and went to see it with me she was so shocked at actually enjoying it that she made a big ceremonious deal of paying me for the tickets... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:14:20 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #530 Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > > Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:38:42 +0000 > From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk > Subject: Engineers > > Richard Perry on Safe As Milk - I suspect that a big part of the > glossy sound of the album is attributable to Perry's magic ears. > > - - Mike Godwin * Whoops! Posted that to the wrong list - sorry. MRG PS Remind me to tell you all about the 'Odessey and Oracle' show at Shepherds Bush next time I long in... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:55:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: The cult of personality - --On 10. Mdrz 2008 01:16:21 -0500 2fs wrote: >> i invented a personality test based upon which star wars movie is a >> person's favourite > > > _The Empire Strikes Back_. Isn't that what everybody is supposed to say? I don't have a favorite because I hate them all. No, actually "hate" is too strong, they just bore me to tears. I tried to like them again and again, but it's all just so stupid. The characters are one-dimensional and the story is cliche. The special effects are certainly pretty good, but that's not what interests me in a movie. So what does that earn me in your personality test, Lauren? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:41:14 -0400 From: "(0% rh)" Subject: Re: The cult of personality Sebastian says: > --On 10. Mdrz 2008 01:16:21 -0500 2fs wrote: > > >> i invented a personality test based upon which star wars movie is a > >> person's favourite > > > > > > _The Empire Strikes Back_. > > Isn't that what everybody is supposed to say? > > I don't have a favorite because I hate them all. No, actually "hate" is too > strong, they just bore me to tears. I tried to like them again and again, > but it's all just so stupid. The characters are one-dimensional and the > story is cliche. The special effects are certainly pretty good, but that's > not what interests me in a movie. > > So what does that earn me in your personality test, Lauren? that i should know better than to use personality tests on fegs. (perhaps carrie can quote here the line from the prisoner about not indexing, stamping, categorizing, etc.) xo p.s. i actually have a friend c. whose favourite of the three is the ewok one (not coincidently, he's the only person (except myself, if i may say) who can consistently take good photographs of me - his trick is obtain a nearby person and get them to wave silly things (preferably some sort of toy) behind him during the "photo session".) - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:55:00 -0800 From: JBJ Subject: Re: [bot-dimeadozen-org] NEW on DIME: Slim Cessna's Auto Club - 2008-03-07 - Seattle This may be geeky of me, but I'm going to download this just to hear how this LS-10 sounds. Did you use the built-in mics? Or is PC-62 some sort of mic model number? On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > okay, west-coasters: you have your assignments!!! if you do not see this > band live before you die, you *will* go to hell. i can't be 100% sure > that > you won't pass "go" first; but you *will* go to hell. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 07:57:10 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The cult of personality On Mar 10, 2008, at 2:55 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On 10. Mdrz 2008 01:16:21 -0500 2fs wrote: > >>> i invented a personality test based upon which star wars movie is a >>> person's favourite >> >> _The Empire Strikes Back_. > > Isn't that what everybody is supposed to say? > > I don't have a favorite because I hate them all. No, actually "hate" > is too strong, they just bore me to tears. I tried to like them > again and again, but it's all just so stupid. The characters are one- > dimensional and the story is cliche. The special effects are > certainly pretty good, but that's not what interests me in a movie. > Saw the first one and about half of the second, but of course hanging around geeks all day I probably know all I need to just from lunchtime conversations. Then there's this: http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-r2-d2-ipod-dock - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:57:30 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: The Zombies The Odessey and Oracle show. I saw the third and final night of these shows and they were really pretty impressive for a band which make up in ability for their manifest lack of swagger. I am so out of touch with The Zombies that I didn?t even know which of the original members were due to appear. They came on stage at 8.15 and Rod Argent introduced the show, obviously very happy to be there. I was puzzled to recognise the bass guitarist as Jim Rodford from Argent rather than Chris White, and Jim Rodford?s son Steve on drums (very good drummer, however). They started with 3 songs from their first album including a Ray Charles cover, ?I?ve been abused?. Somewhere about here Colin Blunstone sang ?What becomes of the broken hearted?? in the Dave Stewart arrangement (but he didn?t sing his other celestial solo hit, ?I don?t believe in miracles? which I saw him perform with the Manfreds once). Then Rod Argent introduced the string quintet, who performed 3 songs from the album which was produced by Rod Argent and Chris White for Colin Blunstone after the Zombies folded. He sang Tim Hardin?s ?Misty Roses? another song I didn?t know, and (a high point for me anyway) ?Say you don?t mind?. Then they went into a couple of Argent songs, including ?Hold your head up? (written by Chris White on a riff developed from ?Time of the Season?), but not ?God gave rock?n?roll to you?. Then there was a break after which an old American bloke sidled on the stage to introduce the set. He turned out to be Al Kooper of Columbia (i.e. CBS) Records, and he reminisced happily about the first time he came to England, buying clothes at Granny Takes A Trip and buying 40 LPs (?remember them??) which were unobtainable in the States at that time. Of course one of the LPs was this one, and he played it to Clive Davis and said you must release it, which he duly did, on a subsidiary label. Much to Al?s chagrin, the single released from the album was the maudlin ?Butcher?s Song?, so he went back to Davis and said ?no, that?s the wrong single - there is a much better song on the album?. Davis withdrew ?Butcher?s Song? and released ?Time of the Season? instead, and it was a big hit ?even in Boise Idaho?. By the time the record went gold, the Zombies had split up, but they turned up in New York to collect the record anyway, and thanked Al Kooper personally for supporting the album. And apparently they have never performed the album in the last 40 years until this weekend. Anyhow, the band came onstage with Chris White on bass and Hugh Grundy on drums to perform ?O and O? in its entirety with a substantial extra cast including another keyboard player, Darien Sahanaja, Jim and Steve Rodford on vocals and percussion, an excellent girl back-up singer and an intemittent horn section. The opening number ?Care of Cell 44? was quite stunning, another high point of the night, sounding just like an old San Francisco record by someone like Spanky and Our Gang. They played the whole album in sequence ? including ?Butcher?s Song? sung by Chris White, and finishing with T of the S, and encored with ?the only two other songs we know?, ?Tell Her No? and (did you guess?) ?She?s not there?, complete with horn section. Really memorable evening by a band that clearly don?t have a rock?n?roll bone in their bodies (despite backing the Isley Bros etc when they got going) but play really fine tuneful pop music. Star of the show was obviously Colin Blunstone with that instantly recognisable voice, ably supported by Rod Argent and the rest of the ensemble. I gather that they are on tour with what remains of the Yardbirds soon, and it will be interesting to see whether Chris White and Hugh Grundy turn up or not. According to Wikipedia, it is likely to be the Rodfords instead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:37:41 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: The Zombies On 3/10/08, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > The Odessey and Oracle show. Interesting story - but I'd disagree with one point: I wouldn't call "Butcher's song" maudlin. Not the best choice for a single, true - but I think it's a bit more effective, and less cheesily manipulative, than "maudlin" would imply. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:35:56 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: The Zombies Thanks, Mike! I'd have given my eye-teeth (if I knew what they were w/o looking at Wiki) to see Hugh Grundy play live. His lightness of touch and sense of placement is, to my ears, the best British Invasion antecedent of Morris Windsor. On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 15:57 +0000, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > The Odessey and Oracle show. I saw the third and final night of these > shows ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:38:35 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Zombies I think following this excellent reception, they must be considering doing the album show in the States. - - Mike Quoting Dolph Chaney : > Thanks, Mike! I'd have given my eye-teeth (if I knew what they were w/o > looking at Wiki) to see Hugh Grundy play live. His lightness of touch > and sense of placement is, to my ears, the best British Invasion > antecedent of Morris Windsor. > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 15:57 +0000, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: >> The Odessey and Oracle show. I saw the third and final night of these >> shows ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #531 ********************************