From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #522 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 29 2008 Volume 16 : Number 522 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The existentialistly schizophrenic desert of Jon Arbuckle in Garfield without Garfield [Benjamin Lukoff ] REAP Hendrix Drummer Buddy Miles Dies At 60 [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] you tube metal machine music - i dare you ! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: my previous post... [Barbara Soutar ] Re: my previous post... [Rex ] Re: you tube metal machine music - i dare you ! [Rex ] Re: my previous post... [Rex ] Re: my previous post... [2fs ] Re: my previous post... [2fs ] Re: my previous post... [Rex ] Re: my previous post... ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: my previous post... [The Great Quail ] Re: my previous post... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: my previous post... ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: my previous post... [Rex ] Re: my previous post... ["kevin studyvin" ] just a little bit of a tangent ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: The existentialistly schizophrenic desert of Jon Arbuckle in Garfield without Garfield ["Jason Brown" ] ray davies NYC pre-sale info [HwyCDRre] Re: my previous post... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: my previous post... [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: my previous post... [lep ] For Lauren [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: The existentialistly schizophrenic desert of Jon Arbuckle in Garfield without Garfield On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Rex wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Jason Brown wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/ > > > > I think this site came first: > > http://tailsteak.com/arbuckle/index.php?date=810811 > > > > Rather than eliminating Garfleid entirely they are redrawing the > > Garfield strips more naturalisticly and eliminating Garfield's thought > > balloons. There are a number of different artists so the quality of > > execution varies. > > > That's what I saw, maybe a year ago. Probably around the same time as > "Marmaduke Explained" hit my radar. > > http://marmadukeexplained.blogspot.com/2006/09/marmadukes-habit-of-skulking-about-in.html > > And of course there's the classic (but defunct) "Dysfunctional Family > Circus"... it seems like every shitty comic strip is actually an awesome > comic strip just waiting to happen. I hope you all know about the Comics Curmudgeon. http://joshreads.com/?p=1458 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:06:47 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP Hendrix Drummer Buddy Miles Dies At 60 Hendrix Drummer Buddy Miles Dies At 60 Buddy Miles February 27, 2008, 3:45 PM ET Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Buddy Miles, who co-founded and played drums in Band Of Gypsys with Jimi Hendrix, passed away yesterday (Feb. 26) in Austin, Texas, at the age of 60. A cause of death has yet to be announced. Miles was born Sept. 5, 1947, in Omaha, Neb., and was introduced to music at a young age by his father, who played in a band called the Bebops. As a young man he also played with Wilson Pickett, the Delfonics and the Ink Spots. Miles met Hendrix in the early 1960s but didn't begin collaborating with him until 1969, when Hendrix produced an album by the Buddy Miles Express. Miles, often decked out in sequined clothes and an enormous Afro, went on to drum on Hendrix's landmark "Electric Ladyland" album before officially joining Band Of Gypsys with bassist Billy Cox a few months later. The group's lone self-titled album chronicled a New Year's Eve 1969/1970 concert at New York's Fillmore East, and is regarded by many as one of the best live albums of the era. After Hendrix's death on Sept. 18, 1970, Miles contributed drums to a handful of posthumous Hendrix releases, including "Cry of Love" and "Crash Landing." He spent time in jail in the late 1970s and early 1980s on drug related charges, but returned to the spotlight in 1986 when he served as the voice for the hugely successful California Raisins claymation TV ads. Miles and a studio band recorded a cover of Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" as part of the campaign, which became a minor radio hit in 1988. In 2004, Miles and Cox revisited the Band Of Gypsys material for a live album, "The Band of Gypsys Return," which was released two years later. Throughout his career, Miles played with such superstars as David Bowie, Stevie Wonder, Carlos Santana, Barry White and George Clinton. According to his Web site, Miles' family is planning a tribute show with details to be announced. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:14:00 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: you tube metal machine music - i dare you ! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zi09ey97g&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zi09ey97g&feature=related) plus others listed ! **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:21:00 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: my previous post... Lauren said: "p.s. actually, the thing that really surprises me is that mr. hitchcock has a conservative fan. which is like more exotic than even a unicorn; at least unicorns have been rumoured to exist." This is the weirdest part about the trolling going on, that a Robyn Hitchcock/Rush Limbaugh fan exists in this world. But anything is possible. One of our old friends who was an extreme left-winger has recently jumped over to become an extreme right winger, completely missing the middle zone. Barbara Soutar Victoria, BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:39:29 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: my previous post... On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Barbara Soutar wrote: > Lauren said: "p.s. actually, the thing that really surprises me is that > mr. > hitchcock has a conservative fan. which is like more exotic than even > a unicorn; at least unicorns have been rumoured to exist." > > This is the weirdest part about the trolling going on, that a Robyn > Hitchcock/Rush Limbaugh fan exists in this world. But anything is possible. > One of our old friends who was an extreme left-winger has recently jumped > over to become an extreme right winger, completely missing the middle zone. > I remain perplexed that any conservatives like any rock and roll. Yes, you can always find exceptions that prove the rule (the Liberal NASCAR fan, the straight Judy Garland enthusiast), but generally speaking, with the Right Wing Rockers, you're looking at individuals out to prove something about their supposed open-mindedness while also looking for a fight with everyone else in the club. I tend to thing that these folks like the fights more than the music. Very odd mentality indeed. 'Member the list of "Great Conservative Rock Songs" that included "Bodies"? If there's one thing I know about conservativans, it's that they love songs that have the word "fuck" in them eight or nine times, performed by bands with the word "sex" in their name, from an album whose title references testicles*. (The part where the band's name also mentions guns just might actually make sense.) - -Rex *Yes, I do know about the contested etymology of the word, but... srsly, it's used to mean "balls". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:30:06 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: you tube metal machine music - i dare you ! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:14 PM, wrote: > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zi09ey97g&feature=related_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9zi09ey97g&feature=related) > plus others listed ! Wow, that video takes me right back to the first semester of film school. Blatzman will know the meaning of the number "290"... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:58:03 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: my previous post... Where does Ted Nugent fit into the spectrum? On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Rex wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Barbara Soutar > wrote: > > > Lauren said: "p.s. actually, the thing that really surprises me is that > > mr. > > hitchcock has a conservative fan. which is like more exotic than even > > a unicorn; at least unicorns have been rumoured to exist." > > > > This is the weirdest part about the trolling going on, that a Robyn > > Hitchcock/Rush Limbaugh fan exists in this world. But anything is > possible. > > One of our old friends who was an extreme left-winger has recently > jumped > > over to become an extreme right winger, completely missing the middle > zone. > > > I remain perplexed that any conservatives like any rock and roll. > > Yes, you can always find exceptions that prove the rule (the Liberal > NASCAR > fan, the straight Judy Garland enthusiast), but generally speaking, with > the > Right Wing Rockers, you're looking at individuals out to prove something > about their supposed open-mindedness while also looking for a fight with > everyone else in the club. I tend to thing that these folks like the > fights > more than the music. Very odd mentality indeed. > > 'Member the list of "Great Conservative Rock Songs" that included > "Bodies"? > If there's one thing I know about conservativans, it's that they love > songs > that have the word "fuck" in them eight or nine times, performed by bands > with the word "sex" in their name, from an album whose title references > testicles*. (The part where the band's name also mentions guns just might > actually make sense.) > > -Rex > > *Yes, I do know about the contested etymology of the word, but... srsly, > it's used to mean "balls". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:12:33 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: my previous post... On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:58 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Where does Ted Nugent fit into the spectrum? Nugent, and the very few other (usually obnoxiously vocal) Rockin' Republicans are also what you'd have to call trolls on the rock and roll intarnet, right? Anyway, they're exceptions that prove the rule, sorta like Hollywood conservatives. What's interesting about that is that far and away the majority of the Hollywood folks who actually become successful politicians (Reagan, Arnold, Sonny, Gopher) are Republicans. I think it's too easy to tar and feather your average Warren Beatty as a "typical Hollywood liberal", so only the Hollywood people who buck the trend start out with any perceived credibility. Just a pet theory of mine. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:16:28 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: my previous post... On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM, kevin studyvin wrote: > Where does Ted Nugent fit into the spectrum? Well, where does "Utterly Batshit Insane" go? > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Rex wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Barbara Soutar > > wrote: > > I remain perplexed that any conservatives like any rock and roll. > > > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:37:56 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: my previous post... On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Rex wrote: > > What's interesting about that is that far and away the > majority of the Hollywood folks who actually become successful politicians > (Reagan, Arnold, Sonny, Gopher) are Republicans. I think it's too easy to > tar and feather your average Warren Beatty as a "typical Hollywood > liberal", > so only the Hollywood people who buck the trend start out with any > perceived > credibility. Just a pet theory of mine. How many "Hollywood liberals" have tried to make an actual political career, though? Does Al Franken count as "Hollywood"? And of course, certainly Reagan, and Ahnuld too, weren't regarded as terribly credible at first: the idea of "President Reagan" was kind of a punchline in the early '70s... I also think conservatives only raise "credibility" when liberals are concerned. I mean, how else to explain Ann Coulter? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: my previous post... On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:37 AM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Rex wrote: > > > > > What's interesting about that is that far and away the > > majority of the Hollywood folks who actually become successful > > politicians > > (Reagan, Arnold, Sonny, Gopher) are Republicans. I think it's too easy > > to > > tar and feather your average Warren Beatty as a "typical Hollywood > > liberal", > > so only the Hollywood people who buck the trend start out with any > > perceived > > credibility. Just a pet theory of mine. > > > How many "Hollywood liberals" have tried to make an actual political > career, though? Does Al Franken count as "Hollywood"? > Beatty was pretty serious for a while. My guess would be that many have thought about, polled about it, found out that their chances were rather slim, and retreated. > > And of course, certainly Reagan, and Ahnuld too, weren't regarded as > terribly credible at first: the idea of "President Reagan" was kind of a > punchline in the early '70s... > The sad truth is, if you want crossover voters, put a star up there. People are starfuckers, and people who don't normally vote *will* vote if they can starfuck by doing so. I know the type of people who caused me to live in Arnoldland. And whatever happened to Jesse Ventura? > > I also think conservatives only raise "credibility" when liberals are > concerned. > It's the new "character". A lot more time was spent on impugning Democrats for sex scandals back before it "became clear" that Republicans were adulterers and homosexuals, too. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:58:51 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: my previous post... Are we gonna revisit the GG Allin discussion, now? On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:16 AM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM, kevin studyvin > wrote: > > > Where does Ted Nugent fit into the spectrum? > > > Well, where does "Utterly Batshit Insane" go? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Rex wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Barbara Soutar < > > bsoutar@horizon.bc.ca> > > > wrote: > > > I remain perplexed that any conservatives like any rock and roll. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ...Jeff Norman > > > > The Architectural Dance Society > > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:30:53 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: my previous post... Rex, > Nugent, and the very few other (usually obnoxiously vocal) Rockin' > Republicans are also what you'd have to call trolls on the rock and roll > intarnet, right? Why? I am not sure why you have trouble squaring away rock and roll with conservatism. Though I suspect that it's a generational thing, mostly. Since younger people tend to be more liberal, I suppose rock served more as a vehicle for liberal expression in the 60s. So there remains a certain mindset that we associate with rock... But there's nothing innately liberal about electricity and volume. After all, Mike Huckabee plays bass, Lee Atwater was a rocker of sorts, and I can't say that my father's love of Lynnryd Skynnyrd stems from a love of gays and the French. That certainly doesn't make "conservative" rockers trolls. I mean, are liberal country singers trolls? - --Quail PS: Why "intarnet?" Is that so-called LOLspeak, or am I missing something? PPS: Wow, I'm watching myself age -- on the Web!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: my previous post... 2fs wrote: > Rex wrote: > > What's interesting about that is that far and away the > > majority of the Hollywood folks who actually become successful > > politicians (Reagan, Arnold, Sonny, Gopher) are Republicans. I > > think it's too easy to tar and feather your average Warren > > Beatty as a "typical Hollywood liberal", so only the Hollywood > > people who buck the trend start out with any perceived > > credibility. Just a pet theory of mine. > > How many "Hollywood liberals" have tried to make an actual > political career, though? Does Al Franken count as "Hollywood"? More than Bill Bradley, but that's a different kettle of fish altogether. > And of course, certainly Reagan, and Ahnuld too, weren't regarded > as terribly credible at first: the idea of "President Reagan" was > kind of a punchline in the early '70s... And note that those guys all turn to politics only after their showbiz careers have fallen into the toilet. > I also think conservatives only raise "credibility" when liberals > are concerned. > > I mean, how else to explain Ann Coulter? Closeted gay conservatives love trannies? "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:24:27 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: my previous post... > I suppose rock served more as a vehicle for liberal expression in the > 60s. Speaking as someone who was there, I can only laugh at this assumption. Most of the teenage rock'n'roll trash I associated with were, insofar as they could be said to have any kind of politics, anarchists by instinct. I personally offered to kick the ass of the president of our student council when he sneeringly referred to me as a "liberal," an offer he quickly declined. (I tried to explain that I was more of a Nietzschean-Christian-Trotskyite, if anytthing, but it didn't go very far, mostly because I was a fifteen-year-old smartass and didn't really know what I was talking about.) But in retrospect I'd have to sum up the position of "rock in the sixties" as "I hope I die before I get old," which has never been a plank for the Democrats to my knowledge. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:31:48 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: my previous post... On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > Rex, > > > Nugent, and the very few other (usually obnoxiously vocal) Rockin' > > Republicans are also what you'd have to call trolls on the rock and roll > > intarnet, right? > > Why? I am not sure why you have trouble squaring away rock and roll with > conservatism. Far and away most rock and roll purveyors are liberal. Far and away most rock and roll songs that express any political views express liberal ones. There's also a wanton carnality from the origins of the form that test the boundaries of family values > Though I suspect that it's a generational thing, mostly. Since > younger people tend to be more liberal, I suppose rock served more as a > vehicle for liberal expression in the 60s. So there remains a certain > mindset that we associate with rock... It goes back before the '60's, though, obviously: the very origins of the form were, of course, a mixing of racial styles, and of the sacred and the profanem an attitude of rebellion. And it goes right up to today; for every Nugent there are thousands of left-leaning rock artists. I consider this pretty obvious. But there's nothing innately liberal about electricity and volume. After > all, Mike Huckabee plays bass, Lee Atwater was a rocker of sorts, Rock and roll has been around long enough that these days it can be boiled down to a style and used for any purpose at all: kid's songs, worship songs, whatever. But if you follow the actual evolution of the thing called rock and roll, as new artists emerge and older ones create new and significant works, you remain in a very liberal landscape. Rock fans buy and discuss new Springsteen albums, not albums where Huckabee plays bass. > and I > can't say that my father's love of Lynnryd Skynnyrd stems from a love of > gays and the French. Lynyrd Skynyrd, s'il vous plait. That certainly doesn't make "conservative" rockers > trolls. I mean, are liberal country singers trolls? The Dixie Chicks were certainly received that way. I'm not saying that the parallel to "trolling" holds up 100%, but it's there. The Dixie Chicks must have known that Bush-bashing was pool-pooping for a big chunk of their audience. Robyn's politics being known, you run a similar risk being pro-Bush around here. If you decide to step up and whip it out anyway, you not only should be prepared for the shit-storm, but, in my opinion, you're as often as not the type to go looking for a fight in the first place. One is capable of holding one's political opinions to oneself (I sure do when I go back to WV, and one of the reasons that I live where I live is that I'm surrounded by a lot of like-minded people, and I don't like fights). PS: Why "intarnet?" Is that so-called LOLspeak, or am I missing something? Something like that. I find it funny. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:49:51 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: my previous post... > What I wonder about Coulter is if she doesn't cast a reflection in a > mirror, who does her makeup & stuff? > > I mean, how else to explain Ann Coulter? > > Closeted gay conservatives love trannies? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:53:57 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: just a little bit of a tangent A commentary from today's NYT on the brilliant success of the right in making America a little better than they found it... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/28cnd-prison.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:18:06 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: The existentialistly schizophrenic desert of Jon Arbuckle in Garfield without Garfield On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Feb 27, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Jason Brown wrote: > > > As I'm also a single man with a cat named after a dead republican > > president... > > Milhouse? Close! Nixon. Although his original owner's previous cat was named Milhouse after the Simpson's character and Nixon the cat was named in Milhouse's honor and for the then 20th anniversary of watergate. Yes, cat is old. - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:31:47 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: just a little bit of a tangent A commentary from today's NYT on the brilliant success of the right in making America a little better than they found it... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/28cnd-prison.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:28:19 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: ray davies NYC pre-sale info ray davies NYC pre-sale info _http://msgnyc.com/viewmsg.cfm?n35043s6866c2898956t6895_ (http://msgnyc.com/viewmsg.cfm?n35043s6866c2898956t6895) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: my previous post... On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Barbara Soutar wrote: > Lauren said: "p.s. actually, the thing that really surprises me is that mr. > hitchcock has a conservative fan. which is like more exotic than even > a unicorn; at least unicorns have been rumoured to exist." > > This is the weirdest part about the trolling going on, that a Robyn > Hitchcock/Rush Limbaugh fan exists in this world. But anything is > possible. One of our old friends who was an extreme left-winger has > recently jumped over to become an extreme right winger, completely > missing the middle zone. Rush Limbaugh isn't conservative, he's insane. Is it really that odd that there are people who like Robyn that also don't toe the Green party line? I mean, Robyn might loathe Bush (and, frankly, I got sick of it after hearing it over and over at his concerts, though I share his opinion), but is there anything particularly "liberal" about his music? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: my previous post... On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Rex wrote: > Far and away most rock and roll purveyors are liberal. Far and away most Liberal, or just not conservative? > rock and roll songs that express any political views express liberal ones. This is probably true, however. Man, I loved this stuff when I was a kid, and I'm not kidding at all (though what's with the horses?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCg9XLb-vHY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:58:43 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: my previous post... Ben says: > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Barbara Soutar wrote: > > > Lauren said: "p.s. actually, the thing that really surprises me is that mr. > > hitchcock has a conservative fan. which is like more exotic than even > > a unicorn; at least unicorns have been rumoured to exist." > > > > This is the weirdest part about the trolling going on, that a Robyn > > Hitchcock/Rush Limbaugh fan exists in this world. But anything is > > possible. One of our old friends who was an extreme left-winger has > > recently jumped over to become an extreme right winger, completely > > missing the middle zone. > > Rush Limbaugh isn't conservative, he's insane. > Is it really that odd that there are people who like Robyn that also don't > toe the Green party line? I mean, Robyn might loathe Bush (and, frankly, I > got sick of it after hearing it over and over at his concerts, though I > share his opinion), but is there anything particularly "liberal" about his > music? > my own statement was meant as a statement about conservatives only. i'll be the first to say this is personal prejudice, but i tend to think of hitchcock fans as weird (the good weird, of course), and i don't tend to think of conservatives that way. another prejudice i'll admit to is that i tend to assume any serious hitchcock fan is likely to be a fairly independent thinker. part of the reason i generalize these ways is that robyn has a small fan base (i think the larger the fan base, the more likely that you get bad data points, since (at least rumour has it) there's not much accounting for popular opinion.) but, you know, as a math geek, i've never claimed to have advanced much past "one of these things is not like the other." xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:47:54 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: For Lauren Fake Steve Jobs wants to know what ever happened to Eric Raymond: http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/ for those who care, read the previous entry about the iPhone SDK. So true it's funny. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #522 ********************************