From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #515 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, February 23 2008 Volume 16 : Number 515 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Random Pumpkin add ["kevin studyvin" ] Re: Obamaniax and Barack Obashers [Rex ] Re: catching up after three days in the wilds ["kevin studyvin" ] New Feature: Name That Tune Released in or Prior to 1991 [Rex ] Fell in love with a drummer (was RE: Random Pumpkin add) [Michael Sweeney] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #514 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: catching up after three days in the wilds ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 [2fs ] Re: catching up after three days in the wilds ["Stewart C. Russell" ] =?UTF-8?Q?Dave=20Marsh=20is=20writing=20a=20book=20about=20why= 20?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9CAmerican=20Idol=E2=80=9D=20is=20evil.=20?= [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:06:36 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Random Pumpkin add I have to second the Moon, & reiterate my near-worship of Bill Bruford. On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > ...all of that "Billy this" and "'Adore' that" aside, I forgot to say that > I > think Jimmy Chamberlin is one hell of a good drummer... > > > Michael "Moonie is still my fave (even if long dead); always dug Stewart > Copeland's cymbals-work, too..." Sweeney > _________________________________________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:10:46 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Obamaniax and Barack Obashers On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > That's clearly where a serious chunk of the slime is going to be > targeting. The question is how well it is handled and deflected; so > far, they've handled it with the appropriate level of "huh?" Yeah, no kidding. What else can you do but issue a blanket "WTF"? > but they > are going to have to step up the (for want of a better term) denials > without treating as the insult it's intended to be. I can't even count how many groups and individuals are slandered in how many ways by those kind of "charges". I'd say there's time for all to work its way out of the national psyche before November. But who knows-- looks like the New York Times has done what McCain himself couldn't and got the Ultra Right to unite behind *their* candidate... all bets are off. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:14:57 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds Amen to the Sladek and the Lafferty, both of them missed also. I think it would be more accurate to say there were times when Sheckley wasn't satirical. Shepard, I don't know so much. On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:13 AM, David Stovall wrote: > > From: "kevin studyvin" > > Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds > > > > > Manapouri was great, as was Wanaka and Arrowtown. I can report that > > > in and around Lake Manapouri the mountains still come out of the sky > > > and stand there. > > > > > Took me a minute to catch the Yes citation (which has provoked a > terrible > > urge to go fish out Fragile and give it a spin. Bruford may not be > exactly > > a god, but he certainly kicks major booty as a percussionist). > > I smiled wide when I caught that reference. > > >Initially I > > was reminded of a surrealist sci-fi story by the late, great Robert > Sheckley > > that hinges on the phrase "majestic mountains marching against the > horizon" > > being a literal statement. Sheckley was a gem, and I miss him. > > Not being quite current in my s-f geek-tude, all these > Firefly/Whedon/BSG/Buffy threads just elude me, but I DO have teh > complete run of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, and I > have always dug me some Sheckley. Also, John Sladek (Sheckley was > pretty satirical sometimes, if I'm remembering right - if you dig > that, you need some Sladek), Lucius Shepard (I get a lot of similar > imagery and irony from Shepard as from Warren Zevon), Ellison and > _R._A._fucking_Lafferty_. Hope those who are still alive stay that > way for a while. > > d9 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:19:15 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: Obamaniax and Barack Obashers > I can't wait for Rove to go into action this year. He's gonna have a > swell time. > That's clearly where a serious chunk of the slime is going to be > targeting. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:44:29 -0800 From: Rex Subject: New Feature: Name That Tune Released in or Prior to 1991 I have a bunch of songs recorded from radio broadcasts in Paris, 1991, which is not a John Cale album. I've ID'ed tons of these over the years, but this last bunch evades all my Googling skillses. These may be b-sides or limited-run singles or stuff that never made it out of France, but it's worth a shot. Brief descriptions follow, mp3's available upon request. Any assistance is appreciated. Lyrical approximations here may be drastically a wrong 'em boyo. (1) Song possibly entitled "Tingle" Vaguely Beatlesque, swinging beat, mid tempo, male vocalist. Sample verse lyrics "Sometimes I couldn't care if we ran out of air oh no / It's a breeze, she's a tease / Feeling joy, feeling pain, we're exactly the same." Chorus lyrics : How I want her (wander?) like this, how I love when she feeds me her tingle" or "Such a radiant (star?) / She can fill up the dark (?) with her tingle." (2) Song possibly called "Lose Sight of Love" (or less likely "This Side of Love"). This may be sung in English by a native French speaker; male vocalist with a vaguely Iggy/Steve Kilbey vibe, midtempo, low key guitar-pop not unlike the Church or House of Love or similar (think "Hotel Womb"). Chorus lyrics "Lose sight of love, I came here before" repeated and varied. Sample verse lyrics: "Let's have a conversation with the pictures on the wall / Bad chance, bad timing / There must be someone between us catching every word we say / Hey, I know this feeling I know it might come again" (3) Song possibly called "All You People Everywhere" or "South East West, North". Male vocalist, somewhat of an old-school R&B feel (horns, soulful backup singers). Verse: "Leavin' my hometown / Gonna say goodbye now / Gonna start a new life / Swingin' to a new jive / Headed for the city / Leaving at 3:30 / Gonna pack my bags now / Don't know how". Chorus "All you people everywhere / North South East, (?) square / You gotta make your mind up now / Whether you leave or pack up now / And go South / Go East / Go West, Baby / Or Go North!" (4) Power-Pop song with what sounds like male-female unison vocals. Sounds kind of like, but predates, the Ravonettes, fast, verse melody similar to that Green Day song that starts "Dear mother, can't you hear me whining?" Chorus sounds very much like the instrumental bridge bit in Wire's "Mannequin"; lyrics are really hard to make out. Sounds like "Coming down on you-oo-oo, coming down on you-oo-oo" but could be something as different as "Goin' denim girrrlll". This one is frakkin' awesome, but I can't transcribe much from the lyrics at all. (5) French-language cover, pretty faithful, of Iggy Pop's "Nightclubbin'". Slightly more cabaret-ish than the original. (Obviously I'm just looking for the artist name on this one.) (6) Reggae/dancehall song, minor key/middle eastern feel, featuring some demented gypsy fiddling at the end. Male vocalist with definite patois going on. No real chorus, other lyrics: "Once upon a time, just like in a nursery rhyme... and if you get me nervous, I will not just laugh it off... But not so long ago, just like in a picture show, when the hero get a blow... Me spirit get vexed and me get restless..." (7) Vintage synthpop song, male (but fey) vocalist, reminiscent maybe of Soft Cell. Lyrics start "Big city... bright lights... big city" followed by a long instrumental bit with very occasional lyrics I can't make out at all... "Everybody I love..." or something. (8) This one's a long shot. Kind of a disco/new wave thing with a guitar riff reminiscent of "My Sharona" or "Whip It", and occasionally a female voice shrieks "(something)- INA! GALAX- INA!". Probably French. Yeah, I know. Nina Hagen comes to mind, but I really don't know much about her. (9) This one's not even that good, but hey. Probably called "Jodie" (spelling approx., possibly "Joni" or even "Johnny"), slick mainstream-era-Springsteen-like pop-rock song with French lyrics. Think "Dancing in the Dark". Could even be Johnny Hallyday or someone like that, although the radio station I taped this stuff from usually didn't play the big French musical stars. (10) French language song, male vocalist, very much in the vein of "Pale Blue Eyes" with a more crooner-y vocal style. Possibly called "La Normalite". Lyrics include "La nuit est tombee, les voitures passent encore... je suis perdu... je retrouverais la normalite... l'ennui de vivre (something)." (11) I know the artist on this one, I'm just missing the song title. It's Buckwheat Zydeco, doing a song about Clifton Chanier. The chorus goes "I said a hey CC / You're still the king to me". Starts off "Once there was a man / A big big man / Held a big accordion in his hand" (as unlikely as that would be in reality-- those fuckers is heavy). (12) Studio cover of "Season of the Witch". Male vocalist, guitar has a bit of '80's-ish chorus on it but otherwise pretty faithful. It's not Luna, either... this was earlier. It may be a native French speaker singing in English, but maybe not. (13) This one I'm really curious about... it got even more mysterious with research. Slow creepy song with very Iggy- (or Peter Murphy)-sounding vocalist (in this case almost certainly a native French speaker) intoning lyrics that turn out to be lifted from W.S. Merwin's poem "The Animals" from his collection "The Lice". They go like this: "All these years behind windows / With blind crosses sweeping the tables / And myself tracking over empty ground / Animals I never saw / I with no voice / Remembering names to invent for them / Will any come back will one / Saying yes / Saying look carefully yes /We will meet again". Dark clean guitar leads and some Twin Peaks-y bursts of trumpet towards the end. Maybe this is the same dude who covered "Nightclubbin'" above. (14) Another reggae-ish track, male vocalist, perhaps called "Fire". Refrain goes "and it burns like a fire..." (15) Song possibly called "Cathy" or "Kathy". Folksy ballad with a singer who sounds for all the world like Dave Thomas of Pere Ubu. Sample lyrics: "Kathy, I was out on the river... I remember you still... in a house on the hill... You ain't never gonna know / Now I'll never go home". (16) Another vintage-sounding synthpop song, male vocalist, perhaps a native French speaker singing in English, perhaps called "Rumour in My Head". Lyrical samples: "Trying hard... addicted to you, dear... alone in a cage... writing postcards to future friends"... the chorus, if you will, is something like "The rumour in my head / The beating of (?) my heart", but any of those words, particularly the "of", may be completely wrong. Also, if anyone has the following albums for some damn reason, let me know... not that they're good, necessarily, they just happen to contain some other stray tracks I've already ID'ed: Lou Reed, "Growing Up in Public" (for some reason, until recently, I'd thought this was a compilation!) Tackhead, "Strange Things" Robert Cray, "Midnight Stroll" Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine, "101 Damnations" Barrence Whitfield and the Savages, "Let's Lose It Willie DeVille, "Victory Mixture" Dominic Sonic, "Hey Hey My My (Into the Black)" sung with a thick French accent... this is probably a single or compilation track or something. Thanks, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: xx Subject: re: smashing pumpkins Rex wrote: - - -Rex "ittt'sss jussst a kiiiiittttnnnnnnn..." Broome Thanks! I just shot coffee on my computer. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:25:05 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Fell in love with a drummer (was RE: Random Pumpkin add) Kevin wrote: >I have to second the Moon, & reiterate my near-worship of Bill Bruford. >On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:38 AM, Michael Sweeney wrote: ...all of that "Billy this" and "'Adore' that" aside, I forgot to say that Ithink Jimmy Chamberlin is one hell of a good drummer...Michael "Moonie is still my fave (even if long dead); always dug StewartCopeland's cymbals-work, too..." Sweeney Bruford's a good one...when I think of him, I always recall the funny (I thought) story of Fripp having to add a second drummer to King Crimson (Belew-era line-up...in fact, sometimes Belew played the 2nd drumkit onstage IIRC...also, it seems to me, that's how the whole "double-trio" line-up evolved) because, as artistic and original as Bruford was, the Frippster would get frustrated that sometimes Bill just felt more like adding flourishes than, you know, actually keeping time... And, to me, the thing about Moonie was no matter how closely you watched, you could never really figure out how he was getting that sound, those beats out of the seemingly random movement of his limbs -- technically, he must've been a nightmare. You watched Bonzo beat the hell out the skins, you knew how that Zep kick came to be. But you watched scrawny, pot-bellied Moon, arms waving up and down, side to side like the Hindu god Ganesh, and you wondered how the hell those kick-ass, stop-start rhythms resulted...(plus, he was funny as hell)... Michael "And then there was Stumpy Joe...who choked to death on vomit -- possibly not his own vomit ('You can't really dust for vomit')" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:33:40 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #514 >Not being quite current in my s-f geek-tude, all these >Firefly/Whedon/BSG/Buffy threads just elude me, but I DO have teh >complete run of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, and I >have always dug me some Sheckley. Also, John Sladek (Sheckley was >pretty satirical sometimes, if I'm remembering right - if you dig >that, you need some Sladek), Lucius Shepard (I get a lot of similar >imagery and irony from Shepard as from Warren Zevon), Ellison and >_R._A._fucking_Lafferty_. Hope those who are still alive stay that >way for a while. Sladek remains a god for me. If you like that lot, I'd check out Howard Waldrop and, of course, Alfred Bester. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:52:02 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds Sladek's one of my favourites. 'The Reproductive System' sits on my bedside table like some people have a testament. He is seldom serious. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:17:55 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds The "Daisy, duck!" bit will be engraved on my brain forever, and for some reason the line "...and these are the little anapests." On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Sladek's one of my favourites. 'The Reproductive System' sits on my > bedside table like some people have a testament. He is seldom serious. > > Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:30:12 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: "The greatest living rock band on the planet" . i, personally, wouldn't quite call them that; but i *did* call them "fucking GOD" in my year-end list. emily had a solo album-and-tour last year, but the band are now back at it. when i saw them here last autumn, she said words to the effect that they were pissed off at the music business, and so were just going to keep on touring, rather than put out a record. ...but it looks like they've got a release scheduled for late-june. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:18:56 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Apropos of nothing much in partikular didja see that costello is opening for the po-lice this summer? when's the last time he toured as an opening act, i wonder? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:00:48 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 On 2/22/08, craigie* wrote: > > howl and grimace? > > I don't get it... > Nah, there wasn't really a reference to _Angel_. But about those Dutch people - I really don't get their idea of footwear. I mean, I wouldn't choose wooden shoes. (heh heh) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:49:47 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds The whole mechanised Las Vegas scene is just waiting for CGI to get good enough. Unfortunately, there could never be an actor who could pull off Elwood Trivian: "The fratricidal bond! I laud that." I've only read The Mueller-Fokker Effect once; not sure I liked it so well. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:06:32 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: How "Lowe" can u go? On 1/24/08, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does Spoon's "The Underdog" sound not only so much like > Nick > Lowe, but nearly EXACTLY like NL's "So It Goes" (albeit, w/ mariarchi > horns > added) to verge into "Ooh, mates, here's a great old song that less than > 1/10 > of 1% of today's kids will have heard of, so let's 'nick' it [PUN > INTENDED] > and pretend we actually wrote it!" territory? > > I mean, I used to play that one live and it was certainly fun to > quick-strum, > Basher-style, through those changes, and...I know: Oasis/Kravitz/Black > Crowes/etc. and "standing on the shoulders of giants" and all, but...as > GOB > would say, "Come on!" I'd replied to this one earlier, noting that the Spoon song spaces the chords differently...but the better response is this, from the notes to the reissue of _Jesus of Cool_ (btw - props to Yep Roc for the highly amusing packaging...): [Lowe's] high water mark of the year, however, was the great double-sided Stiff single "So It Goes" c/w "Heart of the City," the latter borrowing from the 101ers and Jonathan Richman. Nick admits a tendency to plagiarize: "I felt...'I'm a fan, I'll write songs about pop music.' I thought I would comment on it, steal a bit here and there and if anyone pulls me up, I'll say, 'sure...' It was a sort of forerunner to sampling." 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