From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #514 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 22 2008 Volume 16 : Number 514 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise ["Jason Brown" ] Re: Smashing Pumpkins [Rex ] Re: Smashing Pumpkins [2fs ] Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Smashing Pumpkins [Rex ] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, etc. [Carrie Galbraith ] Mini-Review ["Stacked Crooked" ] Misheard lyrics redux [Rex ] Re:Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [] Re: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [Rex ] Re: Mini-Review [Caroline Smith ] RE: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [Michael Sweeney ] Random Pumpkin add [Michael Sweeney ] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise [craigie] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise [craigie] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 [craigie* ] Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [2fs ] Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 [2fs ] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise [Rex ] Re: Obamaniax and Barack Obashers [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:47:30 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Rex wrote: > PS: does the new BSG have daggits? Because... come on, *daggits*. Srsly. No thank god. There was a Boxey character in the Pilot Miniseries but he was relegated to deleted scenes in the first season and then never to be heard of again. - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:48:33 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Rex wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Michael Sweeney > > wrote: > > > > > > > ...Yeah, I'm thinking it must have been an age thing (not taste-wise, > but > > more to exposure and community and all) -- I was verging on 30 in that > > period, and, hell, felt lucky to have even have heard of Nirvana before > they > > broke, so...yeah, I knew that SY and the Pixies existed (and the Muses, > as > > well, who I at least had a CD by), but...like I said, they just never > landed > > on my radar / reached a tipping point with me to fully follow... > > > > But I think Smashing Pumpkins antedate all three of those bands (and the > two > SST bands you mentioned) by any measure. According to Wikipedia, the Splashing Munchkins formed in '88. Pixies '85, Muses '81, Sonic Youth '81, the Huskers '79, Minutemen '80. So unless you're using "antedate" to mean the opposite of what it means, no. Damn - good thing this isn't a game show or anything. On another note: Christ but I'm old. All those bands' formation - even the Pumpkins' - is longer ago now than the damned Beatles' formation was when I graduated from high school. Where's my goddamn walker? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:52:28 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:25 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > Damn, I love the Pumpkins. I fucking *love* the Smashing Pumpkin's first > few > albums. And I especially reserve buckets of angsty love for "Mellon > Collie." > > What's not to like? > Well, for starters, they crammed the seventies, eighties, and nineties into one big grinder and then churned out a gigantic wall of derivative sound, a wave of liquid crap filled with rusty barbs and little bubbles of pretention, with that freakishly tall & freakishly bald arrested-adolescent vampire wannabe Billy Corgan surfing on top of it, narrating his ride through a megaphone of self-pity set permanently to "Whine." (I only changed three words... the last bit truly encapsulates much of what I don't like about the band perfectly as originally written.) Horrible lyricist, wretched vocalist; the grotesque hubris is just the icing on the cake. Of poop. Good guitarist, I'll grant you that. So what was the point of having Iha to begin with, affirmative action or something? (I don't actually know Iha's ethnicity, but the fact that Corgan seemed dead set on female bassists indicates that he had some stunted idea of diversity or "look" in mind in filling out his lineup.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:55:31 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:25 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > Damn, I love the Pumpkins. I fucking *love* the Smashing Pumpkin's first > few > albums. And I especially reserve buckets of angsty love for "Mellon > Collie." > > I don't care who they ripped off -- they crammed the seventies, eighties, > and nineties into one big grinder and then churned out a gigantic wall of > beautiful sound, a wave of liquid chrome filled with rusty barbs and > little > bubbles of mercury, with that freakishly tall & freakishly bald > arrested-adolescent vampire wannabe Billy Corgan surfing on top of it, > narrating his ride through a megaphone of self-pity set permanently to > "Whine." > > What's not to like? > > Oh yeah -- "Adore." Such a shame, really, that Corgan's ego grew bigger > than > the band itself, the recording studio, overflowing out of stadiums the > world > over, taking on a life of its own, mutating, forcing out the personalities > of his band mates and *possessing* them like hollow shells, turning them > into mere echoes of his narcissism, slavishly bent to silent submission > like > the ringwraiths to His Master's Voice.... > The Rupert Pupkins are sorta like the Doors: I'd like them better with a different singer/lyricist...although in the Doors' case, I don't mind Morrison's voice, just his chest-thumping lyrics. One of the funniest, most true things I ever read was someone (and I wish who could remember who) who said that if Morrison had survived into the early '90s (which was when I read this) he would've been one of those bearded guys banging on drums and leading "Men's Movement" meetings in the woods somewhere. The Sassin' Punchbags' music is usually pretty cool...until Billy the Egg opens his barbaric yawp and starts destroying frequencies. For some reason, he showed some restraint in the early days - but latterday SP finds him bellowing full-force a lot, unbearably. Incidentally, re SY: there are large swaths of their output that are exceedingly difficult to listen to because Kim Gordon's oozing all over them. She's another one whose voice is fine when she racks it down a few notches but is just awful when she's being loud (or, gawdforbid, "sexy": Gordon is, in fact, sexy - but not when she tries to sound that way). > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:00:53 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:48 PM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Michael Sweeney < > > m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ...Yeah, I'm thinking it must have been an age thing (not taste-wise, > > but > > > more to exposure and community and all) -- I was verging on 30 in that > > > period, and, hell, felt lucky to have even have heard of Nirvana > > before they > > > broke, so...yeah, I knew that SY and the Pixies existed (and the > > Muses, as > > > well, who I at least had a CD by), but...like I said, they just never > > landed > > > on my radar / reached a tipping point with me to fully follow... > > > > > > > But I think Smashing Pumpkins antedate all three of those bands (and the > > two > > SST bands you mentioned) by any measure. > > > According to Wikipedia, the Splashing Munchkins formed in '88. Pixies '85, > Muses '81, Sonic Youth '81, the Huskers '79, Minutemen '80. > > So unless you're using "antedate" to mean the opposite of what it means, > no. > Yeah, sadly, that's exactly what I was doing. God. Damn. It. > On another note: Christ but I'm old. All those bands' formation - even > the Pumpkins' - is longer ago now than the damned Beatles' formation was > when I graduated from high school. > The one that kills me is that it's now been, by any measure, more than 30 years since "punk rock" (and hell, hip-hop), and there were less than 30 years of rock and roll *before* that. Or try this: when I was born, it'd been 7 years since the Beatles' debut. When my first daughter was born, it'd been seven years since... um... looks like maybe Weezer's first album. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:05:53 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 >"Hamster"? Damn - that's a bad pun. I'd really be in Dutch if I made so lame >a pun as that. Didn't quite make me wince, but I did find myself pursing my two lips from '"Hamster"? Damn.' James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:13:21 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Smashing Pumpkins On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:55 PM, 2fs wrote: > > Incidentally, re SY: there are large swaths of their output that are > exceedingly difficult to listen to because Kim Gordon's oozing all over > them. She's another one whose voice is fine when she racks it down a few > notches but is just awful when she's being loud (or, gawdforbid, "sexy": > Gordon is, in fact, sexy - but not when she tries to sound that way). > What I now think of as "middle period" SY, the string of perfectly good but not-quite captivating series of records from "Dirty" through "1000 Leaves", is a really bad period for Kim songs-- stuff that probably should've been saved for Kitten, in my view-- and I think that's why they're not my favorites. Lee Ranaldo's songs were very often the highlights. Even when the albums started getting better, Kim's songs were feeling very "by the numbers" until the last record, where she hits a bunch out of the park. And Lee's songs stayed good as well, so that's a hell of a record. - -Rex "ittt'sss jussst a kiiiiittttnnnnnnn..." Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, etc. - -----Original Message----- >From: Benjamin Lukoff >On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Rex wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 5:23 PM, 2fs wrote: >> > On 2/20/08, Jill Brand wrote: >> > > About Firefly, no, I haven't watched all of them in order. I've just >> > seen an episode here or there. I find the language (this use of "ain't" and >> > SV non-agreement) grating because it doesn't seem to fit the characters. Actually, I find the language absolutely in keeping with the characters. But I imagine you need to follow the entire (short) series to get the character arc. It's richly written - and the language is perfect. My family and I have taken to using words like gorram, shiny and fei-oo on a regular basis, along with phrases like "don ma." They just seem to work. Haven't found a way to use "creepifying" or "corpseified" yet but I will. Oh, and you'all should see the Jayne hat I knitted for my nephew for his birthday. It's very cunning. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:26:39 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > >"Hamster"? Damn - that's a bad pun. I'd really be in Dutch if I made so > lame > >a pun as that. > > Didn't quite make me wince, but I did find myself pursing my two lips > from '"Hamster"? Damn.' Whereas that one made me want to howl and grimace. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:52:53 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Mini-Review Metric, *Live At Metropolis* one of my fave live bands. but unlike the shows i've seen in person (where they come out with all guns blazing), it takes 'em a few songs to get it kicked into gear. but, boy, when they do, watch out! this may end up being my favourite release of '08. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:16:13 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Misheard lyrics redux np. "Life During Wartime", part of which I used to hear thusly: "I got some Hustlers Some peanut butter To last a couple of days..." nb. I never thought he had actual hustlers, just copies of the magazine Hustler. I think it was the sort of sly way he sang it on the STOP MAKING SENSE soundtrack... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:22:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re:Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) The answer for knowing the Pumpkins is...CHICAGO. And of course I agree about the Mats. MLS - -----Original Message----- From: "Rex" Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:29 PM To: "Michael Sweeney" Cc: "Bachman, Michael" , "fegs" Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: ...Yeah, I'm thinking it must have been an age thing (not taste-wise, but more to exposure and community and all) -- I was verging on 30 in that period, and, hell, felt lucky to have even have heard of Nirvana before they broke, so...yeah, I knew that SY and the Pixies existed (and the Muses, as well, who I at least had a CD by), but...like I said, they just never landed on my radar / reached a tipping point with me to fully follow... But I think Smashing Pumpkins antedate all three of those bands (and the two SST bands you mentioned) by any measure. However, I guess they were more mainstream, but in terms of their approach and how they were received. (Nirvana's almost a rule-proving exception, and I still don't rate them any higher than, say, Dinosaur Jr. or similar (which is no knock on Nirvana).) There's still no explaining why the Replacements never really broke through, other than by noting that they were, in fact, the Replacements. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:28:40 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:22 PM, wrote: > The answer for knowing the Pumpkins is...CHICAGO. Well, yeah, of course, I knew that. Just like I knew what "antedate" meant. I'm only playing at being daft today. Goes without saying. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:53:25 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Mini-Review On 21-Feb-08, at 5:52 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > Metric, *Live At Metropolis* > one of my fave live bands. but unlike the shows i've seen in person > (where > they come out with all guns blazing), it takes 'em a few songs to > get it > kicked into gear. but, boy, when they do, watch out! this may end up > being my favourite release of '08. Hmm, interesting. I've heard a lot of praise for Metric but could never get into them. Maybe I need to see them live... are they still together or is Emily Haines doing her own thing now? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:13:24 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: Bronco Billy (zero RH) ...and, of course, the ALL CAPS "CHICAGO" was NOT me yelling at Rex or even saying, "Duh. don't u remember where I live?" I was merely responding from my cellphone before an appt....and was too rushed to go back and start changing that when I realized it was capped... Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:28:40 -0800From: spottedeagleray@gmail.comTo: m_l_sweeney@hotmail.comSubject: Re: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH)CC: michael.bachman@fanucrobotics.com; fegmaniax@smoe.org On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:22 PM, wrote: The answer for knowing the Pumpkins is...CHICAGO. Well, yeah, of course, I knew that. Just like I knew what "antedate" meant. I'm only playing at being daft today. Goes without saying. - -Rex _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 05:53:30 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) Rex wrote: >Sorry. "Today" is the Pixies rip that I can mostly tolerate. "Disarm" isjust dreadful, though (once again I can remember exactly when I first heardthat song and how its very awfulness distracted me from what I was doing; Ididn't know who the artist was in that case). The church bells just put itover the edge-- church bells + bad pretentious lyrics = contender for worstsong evar, right up there with "Don't Stop Believin'"< Oh. My. Gawd. Talk about taking a sledgehammer to a mosquito...OK, we all KNOW that mileage varies (and, as Aimee Mann let us know, voices carry!), but, c'mon! I can absolutely see not liking "Disarm," but it hardly seems worthy of such vitriol OR such a near-nuclear comparison ("Sopranos" use notwithstanding). I am SOOOOOOOO NOT stepping up to become the list's universal Billy Pumpkin (as I almost always refer to him) defender -- for example, got not much use for Zwan OR "Zeitgeist" -- but I sure don't mind "Disarm" (and really like "Cherub Rock"; my GF always recalls "Today" with the line about it from "Beavis and Butthead": "It's the greatest day because they stole an ice cream truck!")...and, really, how much more "pretentious" is it than sumpthin' 'bout a "monkey gone to heaven"? >Also, I know for a fact that quite a few of the folks reading this arebetter vocalists than either Farrell or Corgan.< ...as could be said about Dylan, Young, Reed, Richards, latter-day Faithfull...and you know how much THAT'S worth (not necessarily defending F & C -- just sayin'...) Michael "Just when I thought I was out...they keep pulling me back in!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:38:45 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Random Pumpkin add ...all of that "Billy this" and "'Adore' that" aside, I forgot to say that I think Jimmy Chamberlin is one hell of a good drummer... Michael "Moonie is still my fave (even if long dead); always dug Stewart Copeland's cymbals-work, too..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:02:10 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise oops. my multiverse just split sideways... c* On 21/02/2008, 2fs wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Rex wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Sumiko Keay > wrote: > > > > > There ARE male companions - in "Heart of Gold" it's mentioned > > > explicitly. > > > > > Along with some other fish imagery that stands among Neil's finest. > > > > Oh that seems *highly* improbable... > > (This is just a test to see who's catching all the geekly references.) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ...Jeff Norman > > > > The Architectural Dance Society > > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:07:06 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise there was some 'new jargon' in the EE 'Doc' Smith Lensman series too IIRC. and don't start me on the DuQuesne series... c* On 21/02/2008, Rex wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:17 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:03 PM, The Great Quail > > wrote: > > > Anyway, if I can give my two-quatloos worth and bend your ear for a > > > centon, > > > I am also not overly fond of those TANSTAAFL made-up words...and if I > > had > > > a > > > zuleck every time I cringed at bad SF dialogue, I'd be frakkin' > rich.... > > > > Nice. I can grok that. > > It's true, the second-most SF'ed-up quantity after swear words is probably > terms for money. > > > > I blame Anthony Burgess and his droogs... > > > > I think I just added Heinlein to the pile. I wonder what the first > authenticatable use of one of these is... '50's pulp or before? '30's > comics? Not quite sure how to google this issue. > > -Rex > > PS: does the new BSG have daggits? Because... come on, *daggits*. Srsly. > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:14:43 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 howl and grimace? I don't get it... ;-) c* On 21/02/2008, 2fs wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:05 PM, wrote: > > > >"Hamster"? Damn - that's a bad pun. I'd really be in Dutch if I made so > > lame > > >a pun as that. > > > > Didn't quite make me wince, but I did find myself pursing my two lips > > from '"Hamster"? Damn.' > > > Whereas that one made me want to howl and grimace. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:05:42 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) On 2/21/08, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > Rex wrote: >Sorry. "Today" is the Pixies rip that I can mostly tolerate. Howzit a Pixies rip? I really don't hear that... "Disarm" isjust dreadful, though (once again I can remember exactly when I > first heardthat song and how its very awfulness distracted me from what I > was > doing; Ididn't know who the artist was in that case). The church bells > just > put itover the edge-- church bells + bad pretentious lyrics = contender > for > worstsong evar, right up there with "Don't Stop Believin'"< > > > Oh. My. Gawd. Talk about taking a sledgehammer to a mosquito... really, > how much more "pretentious" is it > than sumpthin' 'bout a "monkey gone to heaven"? Well, much more - because Charles Thompson rarely takes the ideas of his lyrics seriously. They're a bit of a quasi-surrealist joke. You get the idea that The Eggman thinks his lyrics, on the other hand, are Profound. Thus the pretentiousness. >Also, I know for a fact that quite a few of the folks reading this > arebetter > vocalists than either Farrell or Corgan.< > > > > ...as could be said about Dylan, Young, Reed, Richards, latter-day > Faithfull...and you know how much THAT'S worth (not necessarily defending > F & > C -- just sayin'...) I think we're confusing "have better voices" with "are better vocalists." Dylan, for example, may not have a conventionally pretty voice - but he displays superlative control of the voice he does have, in terms of phrasing etc. Same's true of Reed and Young, to lesser degrees. Plus, those singers rarely do things they just plain can't do and that sound awful while doing it - whereas Corgan does all the time, particularly once his band became more popular. Farrell's a shrill imbecile, however - always has been. There's maybe five minutes of interesting stuff on Jane's Addiction records - probably due to Dave Navarro occasionally being an interesting guitar player. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:07:27 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) > but I sure don't mind "Disarm" (and really like "Cherub Rock"; my GF > always recalls "Today" with the line about it from "Beavis and Butthead": > "It's the greatest day because they stole an ice cream truck!")...and, > really, how much more "pretentious" is it than sumpthin' 'bout a > "monkey gone to heaven"? > Well, mileage etc., but... a lot more pretentious. "The killer in me is the killer in you"... "I used to be a little boy"... that's something the poseur kid who wants to seem all deep writes on the back of his notebook in 7th grade for everyone to see... "Monkey Gone to Heaven" is what the weird awkward kid who's actually interesting has *inside* his notebook and won't show it to anyone unless you really bug him. It's angst-by-numbers vs. true WTF whimsy. Which is not to say that BF/FB doesn't have quite the ego on him as well... he just doesn't seem to have been born pandering. Okay, I'm done with you, Corgan... who's up next? That twit from My Chemical Romance? Scott Weiland? I'll take you on with one paw tied behing my back! Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:07:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #513 On 2/22/08, craigie* wrote: > > howl and grimace? > > I don't get it... > > It was a reference to one of the former highers-up in Wolfram & Hart, on _Angel_: Holland Manners. Oh never mind. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:09:56 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:02 AM, craigie* wrote: > oops. my multiverse just split sideways... > 2 to the power of 27,352 against and falling... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:13:41 -0500 From: "David Stovall" Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds > From: "kevin studyvin" > Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds > > > Manapouri was great, as was Wanaka and Arrowtown. I can report that > > in and around Lake Manapouri the mountains still come out of the sky > > and stand there. > > > Took me a minute to catch the Yes citation (which has provoked a terrible > urge to go fish out Fragile and give it a spin. Bruford may not be exactly > a god, but he certainly kicks major booty as a percussionist). I smiled wide when I caught that reference. >Initially I > was reminded of a surrealist sci-fi story by the late, great Robert Sheckley > that hinges on the phrase "majestic mountains marching against the horizon" > being a literal statement. Sheckley was a gem, and I miss him. Not being quite current in my s-f geek-tude, all these Firefly/Whedon/BSG/Buffy threads just elude me, but I DO have teh complete run of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, and I have always dug me some Sheckley. Also, John Sladek (Sheckley was pretty satirical sometimes, if I'm remembering right - if you dig that, you need some Sladek), Lucius Shepard (I get a lot of similar imagery and irony from Shepard as from Warren Zevon), Ellison and _R._A._fucking_Lafferty_. Hope those who are still alive stay that way for a while. d9 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:18:55 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Obamaniax and Barack Obashers I still think the nomination is Obama's for the taking, but two interesting little nuggets have appeared on my radar over the past two days: (1) Actual Obama supporters voluntarily writing, with some concern, about the creepiness/cultishness of his extreme followers, using those words, and (2) More alarmingly, because I thought (hoped) it was a joke that this would ever happen, but in casual social conversations I've actually heard two people say of Obama, "My mom thinks he's a Muslim". Interestingly (maybe), one of these people was Melanie Griffith (the conversationalist, not the mom). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:39:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Obamaniax and Barack Obashers Rex wrote: > (2) More alarmingly, because I thought (hoped) it was a joke that > this would ever happen, but in casual social conversations I've > actually heard> two people say of Obama, "My mom thinks he's a > Muslim". Interestingly (maybe), one of these people was Melanie > Griffith (the conversationalist, not the mom). That's clearly where a serious chunk of the slime is going to be targeting. The question is how well it is handled and deflected; so far, they've handled it with the appropriate level of "huh?" but they are going to have to step up the (for want of a better term) denials without treating as the insult it's intended to be. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #514 ********************************