From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #512 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 21 2008 Volume 16 : Number 512 Today's Subjects: ----------------- baseball first [Jill Brand ] Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On [2fs ] RE: baseball first ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: baseball first [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On [2fs ] RE: baseball first ["Bachman, Michael" ] RE: a sports rant (no RH or Buffy content whatsover, but a little Joss Whedon at the end) [Jeff Dwarf <] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise [Rex ] Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On [Rex ] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise [Rex ] Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise [Rex ] Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:46:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: baseball first I'll deal with football and Firefly later. Michael W., although we have an abundance of Michaels here, I *do* know that you are a White Sox fan. The "Go Cubs" comment went out to Michael Sweeney and the long suffering Cubs. I would REALLY like to see the Cubbies win in my lifetime, and maybe visit Wrigley some day. However, I don't live in Chicago so I can't really feel the Cubs-White Sox loathing, and I have no idea which team I'd support if I were a native. Back in the day (crank up the Rudy Vallee music), there was a certain amount of clarity when it came to New York baseball rivalries. I'm from Brooklyn - I was born the only year that the Dodgers won the World Series while still a Brooklyn team. When they left three years later, garments were torn, Kaddish was said, and the family stayed in suspended animation until the birth of the Mets (well, except for my grandmother, who stayed a Dodgers fan). I actually became a Red Sox fan during game 1 of the 1986 World Series to the total disbelief of my whole family. I had been rooting for both teams to reach the Series, but living in Boston drew me to the horrible plight of the Red Sox (it's like being a Kinks fan - I've always said this), and I found myself pulling for the Sox. The rest is history. I had truly found my sad sack lost cause, and life hasn't been the same since 2004. No, really, I'm thrilled that they are doing so well, but I also feel that baseball needs a salary cap like football has in order to make things fair. Or fairer. Or more fair. It's ridiculous that the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets and other teams with big bucks (and there aren't too many of them) can buy up whom they want. I am going to class now to discuss the intricacies of adjective clauses and Chapters 5-6 of Harry Potter I. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:10:28 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On On 2/21/08, craigie* wrote: > > I love the way his sister became 'an actor'... what's wrong with the word > 'actress'? Threadmerge! I hear "actor" used generically - and if you think about it, most words in the English language aren't particularly gendered, and the words referring specifically to female exponents of whatever (poetess and the like) are outmoded. So actress is probably one for the history dumps. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:42:11 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: baseball first - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jill Brand Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:47 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: baseball first Jill wrote: > Michael W., although we have an abundance of Michaels here, I *do* know that you are a White Sox fan. >The "Go Cubs" comment went out to Michael Sweeney and the long suffering Cubs. I would REALLY like to see the >Cubbies win in my lifetime, and maybe visit Wrigley some day. However, I don't live in Chicago so I can't really > feel the Cubs-White Sox loathing, and I have no idea which team I'd support if I were a native. The Cubs should have beaten the Padres in the 1984 NL Championship Series. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:52:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: whoops Rex wrote: > Well, hey, as long as we have a terrorist on the list, may I > congratulate you on having already won? > > -Rex, who, if he were a potential first lady, would probably get > roasted but good for that remark. Hey, Bill Orally insists he'll want more evidence in before he lynches you. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On 2fs wrote: > craigie* wrote: > > > > I love the way his sister became 'an actor'... what's wrong with > > the word 'actress'? > Threadmerge! > > I hear "actor" used generically - and if you think about it, most > words in the English language aren't particularly gendered, and > the words referring specifically to female exponents of whatever > (poetess and the like) are outmoded. So actress is probably one > for the history dumps. I think actress could end up being an exception, just because a majority of the time when hiring an actor, gender is a relevant factor in hiring, unlike hiring a poet or board chairperson or whatever. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:23:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: baseball first "Bachman, Michael" wrote: > The Cubs should have beaten the Padres in the 1984 NL Championship > Series. No, they shouldn't've. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:26:52 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > craigie* wrote: > > > > > > I love the way his sister became 'an actor'... what's wrong with > > > the word 'actress'? > > Threadmerge! > > > > I hear "actor" used generically - and if you think about it, most > > words in the English language aren't particularly gendered, and > > the words referring specifically to female exponents of whatever > > (poetess and the like) are outmoded. So actress is probably one > > for the history dumps. > > I think actress could end up being an exception, just because a > majority of the time when hiring an actor, gender is a relevant > factor in hiring, unlike hiring a poet or board chairperson or > whatever. True enough - and it points out a usage distinction of sorts: when you're talking about people in the acting professional generically, "actor" is fine - - but if you're casting a film, you might say "we need 8 actors and 9 actresses - the main actress should be..." and whatever essential characteristics the script requires, etc. > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:46:08 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: baseball first - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Dwarf Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:24 AM To: And Rex Hamilton as Abraham Lincoln Subject: RE: baseball first "Bachman, Michael" wrote: >> The Cubs should have beaten the Padres in the 1984 NL Championship >> Series. >No, they shouldn't've. They would have given the Tigers a better World Series than the Padres did. Still it was nice to see Kirk Gibson hit that homer off of Goose Gossage. The Tigers were the best team in 1984 by a long shot anyway, starting the season off 35-5 in their first 40 games. The 2008 Tigers might be even better though with potetinally one of the most dangerous 1 through 9 line-ups as has ever been with the addtion of Miguel Cabrera and Edgar Renteria. Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:45:29 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:21 AM, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > BTW, the trip went well. Hot hot hot... sunburnt arm, too ("driving > aerm", which in NZ means right arm. Here we call that a "trucker tan". - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: a sports rant (no RH or Buffy content whatsover, but a little Joss Whedon at the end) michael wells wrote: > > I am a bit ignorant about David Aardsma. Is he going to be like > > Eric Gagne was for us last year? > > Big arm, ERA over 6. Had control problems pitching for a team out > of contention. If there's a way to bet on how many walks followed > by oppo home runs he gives up in Boston this year, let me know. Basically, he was rushed to the majors after less than a year in the minors by Brian Sabean in one of his myriad attempts to prove that he's the genius (not Billy Beane), so Aardsma never got the proper coaching/minor league experience, and then after being sent back to minors, the Giants tried to turn him into a starter (which he'd never been before), before sending him off to Chicago along with another young arm they mindfucked into oblivion, Jerome Williams. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:15:48 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Jason Brown wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Rex wrote: > > I mean, in 1978, BSG was probably the only show > > on the air where the characters said a word that was clearly meant to > be a > > standin for "fuck", after all. > > Actually, i think the old BSG used frak to mean shit not fuck. As in "Oh > Frack!" > But you could equally well say "Oh Fuck!"... and I think "felgercarb" or "feldercarb" was meant to be "shit". I think it was officially translated as "garbage", but hey in usage, it was always "what a load of felgercarb", and I think it may have been used as an oath at times. (It's been a while since I saw the show, but I did see it as an adult, or at least a college kid.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:21:41 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise There ARE male companions - in "Heart of Gold" it's mentioned explicitly. sumi On 2/20/08, 2fs wrote: > On 2/20/08, Jill Brand wrote: > > > > You are right. I should never apologize to non-Kinks fans. > > > > About Firefly, no, I haven't watched all of them in order. I've just seen > > an episode here or there. I find the language (this use of "ain't" and SV > > non-agreement) grating because it doesn't seem to fit the characters. > > > Hmm...how so? The only characters who are conventionally educated are the > doctor and the companion, neither of whom are prone to those sorts of > usages. Anyway: the language and its oddities are a sort of establishing > premise of the world: it's a science-fiction western simply because both > genres explore the notion of "frontier," and the notion of being kinda-sorta > but not really beyond the law, and what sorts of moral questions that > scenario raises. > > And the whole prostitution/companion thing seems to be a man's wet dream > > in sci-fi land. Couldn't we maybe get male companions, too? You know, > > like Bill Belichick? > > > Whedon's comments on this (I think they're somewhere on Whedonesque - > although probably some on the commentary tracks also) are simply that he > sees no particular reason why "companionship" (which is more than just sex: > note that Inara is, like all companions, shown to be highly educated and > cultured) couldn't be a viable career choice. It's the stigma of sex, as > well as the judgmental attitude toward women's sexuality, that makes the > occupation seem sexist, not the situation itself (or so he argues). I'm > inclined to agree, and there's some historical basis for at least part of > the characterization of companions. It's also true that Inara is not > presented solely as eye candy, nor are her looks exploited egregiously (at > least not any more than any other of the attractive cast members, male and > female). You might compare Kaylee's sexuality (who's not a companion). The > only man who seems to have a problem with Inara is Mal - and at least part > of that is because he's attracted to her and is kind of a dick at times. > > As for male companions: the show/movie never explored the world of > companions very deeply...but in principle there'd be no reason there > wouldn't be such things. Although it would seem that in this world (I mean > this one) at least, there's rarely a need for male companions (in the FF/S > sense) for women, since men are sluts: if a woman signals her availability, > there's going to be some guy glad to oblige, and he's unlikely to ask to be > paid for it. > > Whedon's feminism is definitely not '70s-era feminism - he's far more at > home in more contemporary varieties that take a sort of both/and attitude > toward conventional signifiers of femininity as well as allowing women to do > whatever they want, including trad. male arenas. > > In that it seems similar to BSG - so far (I've just started S2.5 on DVD) > I've not heard a single character on that show express any question as to > another character's qualifications or ability based on gender, race, etc. - > only on experience, personality, etc. Definitely sort of post-identity > utopian in that regard (which - tying back to the earlier discussion of the > use of "sir" and "men" as all-purpose, gender-neutral terms - is the only > possible scenario under which such terminology *doesn't* merely reproduce > gender inequality under the guise of gender "colorblindness"...) > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:25:32 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > > ...I was always quite enamored of "Adore" myself...told Billy that, too, > once > at the old Demon Dogs (before they tore that -- AND (apparently) Corgan's > talent -- down)... Oh, I've been nice so far, but I can never forget the first time I heard "Eva Adore", already having a pretty low opinion of Corgan's lyrical skillz. As soon as I heard the first line, "Eva Adore..." I immediately knew in the core of being, this lamebo's gonna rhyme that with "whore". I only wish someone had been there so I could substantiate this claim. "Siamese Dream", that was the one with "Siva", eh? That was listenable, I guess... I thought of the Pumpkins as a sort of cut-rate Jane's Addiction at the time, decent-sounding but already pretty insufferably pretentious. I could also listen to some of their Pixies knockoffs, but Idon't, because I have perfectly good Pixies records lying around. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:29:22 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > craigie* wrote: > > > > > > I love the way his sister became 'an actor'... what's wrong with > > > the word 'actress'? > > Threadmerge! > > > > I hear "actor" used generically - and if you think about it, most > > words in the English language aren't particularly gendered, and > > the words referring specifically to female exponents of whatever > > (poetess and the like) are outmoded. So actress is probably one > > for the history dumps. > > I think actress could end up being an exception, just because a > majority of the time when hiring an actor, gender is a relevant > factor in hiring, unlike hiring a poet or board chairperson or > whatever. How then do we feel about "comedienne"? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:34:18 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Sumiko Keay wrote: > There ARE male companions - in "Heart of Gold" it's mentioned explicitly. > Along with some other fish imagery that stands among Neil's finest. (This is just a test to see who's following all the threads, and may therefore need an intervention.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:38:17 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:44 PM, lep wrote: > 2fs says: > > IMO, BSG far surpasses whedon's work on the feminist front. whedon > challenges a lot of conventions, but he gives fairly conventional sort > of challenge. i think of whedon's work rather in the "look what girls > can do" vein. the quickest way i can point to this in his work is > that this guy clear gets a charge from seeing a chick with a rocket > launcher (not that there's anything wrong that, but taking his > portrayal of woman as the work of a true feminist fails when one > realizes there's a sort of juvenile male fantasy element there, even > if it is probably somewhat in jest, or meant to point out these very > sorts of contradiction in certain "modern" portrayals of females. > "firefly", IMO, is more developed on this front, but i would say that > firefly is still very much a world of boys and girls. > I'd pretty much agree except with the "juvenile." I don't think there's anything inherently sexist with male fantasies, and I think the fact that the Whedonverse is (even Firefly) more similar to our own means that there's only so far you can stretch difference w/o making it hard to render characters emotionally viable. > BSG doesn't > even bother to stop there. in the BSG world, gender is as much of a > non-issue as i've seen it portrayed in movies or television. > True - but I think at least part of that is the very limited world: it's directly post-apocalyptic, the crisis puts everything else in the background, and the military's rigid rank system facilitates making other issues irrelevant. (Incidentally, if the show weren't also very clear on the intense emotional costs of military action, it would also read rather like a love letter to military virtues. Or at least, to the heroism of the everyday soldier.) Historically, it's why militaries have integrated class (not so much: can be mapped onto rank) and race sooner than many other sectors of society; the irrelevance of gender in professional life on BSG probably follows from that. 'Course, even though within the show it's clear that Number Six is a reflection of Baltar's own bizarre world, for viewers she certainly provides the eye candy - following the tradition that for some reason (gee...could it be the largely male audience?) ends up having SF females, human or not, dress rather provocatively... > oh, and jeff 2fs: pleeeeeease: you think i would be distracted from my > one true fictional-television-character love by mal and his > oh-so-obvious trousers? my heart is true; i am a one-delusion woman. But how do you that belief isn't your one delusion? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:39:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Rex wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Sumiko Keay wrote: > > > There ARE male companions - in "Heart of Gold" it's mentioned > > explicitly. > > > Along with some other fish imagery that stands among Neil's finest. > Oh that seems *highly* improbable... (This is just a test to see who's catching all the geekly references.) > > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:53:45 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Rex wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > > > I think actress could end up being an exception, just because a > > majority of the time when hiring an actor, gender is a relevant > > factor in hiring, unlike hiring a poet or board chairperson or > > whatever. > > > How then do we feel about "comedienne"? I think it's hideous - in line with "poetess." Jeff's right that there are times when you clearly mean "actress" rather than (male) actor - but unless it's like some terrifying tour with a name like "Tits 'n Titters," I can hardly imagine that it's relevant. (Note: I've copyrighted the phrase "Tits 'n Titters," so no one else can book a comedy tour with that name, sorry...) > > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:24:10 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: a sports rant turned to a Whedon rant, turned to a BSG rant - surprise surprise surprise On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:38 AM, 2fs wrote: > > > I'd pretty much agree except with the "juvenile." I don't think there's > anything inherently sexist with male fantasies, and I think the fact that > the Whedonverse is (even Firefly) more similar to our own means that > there's > only so far you can stretch difference w/o making it hard to render > characters emotionally viable. We've mentioned this before, but there's the Trek counterexample-- Trek posites a future where all of those lines of discrimination are supposedly erased, but since the early days of Kirk and his space hotties up through that Borg chick with the enormous enhancements, it's kind of tipped its hand. What the characters are saying about their world is therefore counter to the eye candy oftem on hand, so in that sense the Firefly model is more plausible. > True - but I think at least part of that is the very limited world: it's > directly post-apocalyptic, the crisis puts everything else in the > background, and the military's rigid rank system facilitates making other > issues irrelevant. [...] Historically, it's why militaries have integrated > class (not so > much: can be mapped onto rank) and race sooner than many other sectors of > society; the irrelevance of gender in professional life on BSG probably > follows from that. So in Firefly you have a frontier mentality, where humanity's worst nature has plenty of space to flourish, none of the military structure of Trek or BSG. The (putatively) integrated nature of the military in Trek is put down to humans simply having improved as a species, while in BSG it's in reaction to an imminent threat (and I do understand that a lot of the "worst of human nature" is on exhibit as a reaction to that threat as well). But the last word on the topic would have to be an episode of the orginal BSG which was, I believe, called "The Woman Warriors", where some disease takes down all the men, meaning that the chicks have to learn how to fly the vipers. Good stuff. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:27:33 -0800 From: "kevin studyvin" Subject: Re: catching up after three days in the wilds > Manapouri was great, as was Wanaka and Arrowtown. I can report that > in and around Lake Manapouri the mountains still come out of the sky > and stand there. > Took me a minute to catch the Yes citation (which has provoked a terrible urge to go fish out Fragile and give it a spin. Bruford may not be exactly a god, but he certainly kicks major booty as a percussionist). Initially I was reminded of a surrealist sci-fi story by the late, great Robert Sheckley that hinges on the phrase "majestic mountains marching against the horizon" being a literal statement. Sheckley was a gem, and I miss him. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:27:56 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 8:53 AM, 2fs wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Rex wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Jeff Dwarf > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think actress could end up being an exception, just because a > > > majority of the time when hiring an actor, gender is a relevant > > > factor in hiring, unlike hiring a poet or board chairperson or > > > whatever. > > > > > > How then do we feel about "comedienne"? > > > > I think it's hideous - in line with "poetess." Jeff's right that there are > times when you clearly mean "actress" rather than (male) actor - but unless > it's like some terrifying tour with a name like "Tits 'n Titters," I can > hardly imagine that it's relevant. > Yeah. I just wasn't sure of it might fall along the lines of "songstress" or "chanteuse", which are gender-specific (but also specialized, or at least suggestive of a certain style, or something). I'm not sure whether or not the idea of a topless comedy tour is terrifying. It would kinda depend on the quality of the... jokes. Or maybe I'm just being juvenile. Again. - -Rex - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:43:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: unREAP: Nick Drake Lives On Rex wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > > So actress is probably one for the history dumps. > > > > I think actress could end up being an exception, just because a > > majority of the time when hiring an actor, gender is a relevant > > factor in hiring, unlike hiring a poet or board chairperson or > > whatever. > > > How then do we feel about "comedienne"? Since when are women funny? No, seriously, I think that one is pretty much dead already. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Bronco Billy (zero RH) Rex wrote: > Michael Sweeney wrote: > > ...I was always quite enamored of "Adore" myself...told Billy > > that, too, once at the old Demon Dogs (before they tore that -- > > AND (apparently) Corgan's talent -- down)... > > Oh, I've been nice so far, but I can never forget the first time I > heard "Eva Adore", _A_va Adore, please > already having a pretty low opinion of Corgan's lyrical > skillz. As soon as I heard the first line, "Eva Adore..." I > immediately knew in the core of being, this lamebo's gonna rhyme > that with "whore". I only wish someone had been there so I could > substantiate this claim. I don't think even his more ardent fans would claim Billy's a great lyricist. Okay, some of them do, but (and I say this as someone who thinks he/they did most good-to-great work through _Adore_) they're idiots. > "Siamese Dream", that was the one with "Siva", eh? No, that's the one after it, with "Today" and "Disarm." Gish is the one with "Siva." > That was listenable, I guess... I thought of the Pumpkins as a > sort of cut-rate Jane's Addiction at the time, decent-sounding but > already pretty insufferably pretentious. I could also listen to > some of their Pixies knockoffs, but I don't, because I > have perfectly good Pixies records lying around. Well, they were more than that -- and Billy's a better lyricist and singer than Perry Farrell. Gish is pretty much that album that Ritual should have been, but Perry disappeared too far up his arsehole for the most part. But I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before, so blah blah blah. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #512 ********************************