From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #496 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 11 2008 Volume 16 : Number 496 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Firefox weirdness [2fs ] Re: Shadow Cat on iTunes [2fs ] Knitting Factory RH&V3 Print Query [Steve Talkowski ] Re: indeed [Tom Clark ] REAP [FSThomas ] Re: Knitting Factory RH&V3 Print Query [Tom Clark ] Re: Knitting Factory RH&V3 Print Query [Steve Talkowski ] R.E.M. + Robyn Hitchcock at Royal Albert Hall [Sebastian Hagedorn ] reap [Steve Schiavo ] Re: indeed [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: indeed [2fs ] Re: indeed ["Jason Brown" ] Re: indeed [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: indeed [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:28:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Firefox weirdness On 2/10/08, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Feb 9, 2008, at 9:33 PM, 2fs wrote: > > >> > >> No problems on my MacBook Pro running Leopard :) > > > > Yes, yes, I know - someone give me a couple thousand bucks and I'll > > go and > > buy a decent Mac. (Seriously, when my laptop dies, I will - but I > > can't > > afford to do it just because...) > > In the meantime: > http://www.apple.com/safari/ > > Yes I know I just stoked the Firefox vs. Safari flamewar. I didn't know Safari was available for Windows. I may give it a try. Anyway: figured it out. Idiot me: when I was resetting the home page a while ago, I accidentally ended up putting a pipe ( | ) after the URL, after which I apparently pasted the same URL. Or maybe I pasted the URL twice and it inserted the pipe. Whatev. So, uh, if I want to open two tabs, can I do that on purpose by using the pipe as described? (Gee - maybe I'll just try it and find out...) No, that doesn't work. Maybe there was some other character in there... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:30:29 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Shadow Cat on iTunes On 2/10/08, James Francis wrote: > > Greetings from a lurker. Just noticed that the excellent "Shadow Cat" is > now available on iTunes (for $9.99). While I'm not going to agree with whoever it was last week who said SC sucked, hard, I'm also not going to agree that it's "excellent." There are several good songs on it - I think I mentioned that "High on Yourself" is a favorite - but it's also clear why many of these tracks weren't released. I kinda wish the Auto-Tune experiments (or whatever device that is) had been relegated to bonus tracks - they feel more like an idea than actual songs. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:01:20 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Knitting Factory RH&V3 Print Query I've just recently begun framing some of the artwork I've acquired over the years, and this print from last year's Knitting Factory show made the cut. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevetalkowski/2256379906/ I'd like to properly attribute the artist, however, the signature is (to me) illegible, and the only other possible identification is the phrase "DAMM DAMM DAMM!" in small text on the far right side. Thanks, - -Steve (finally recovering after 4 days of debilitating vertigo...) - -- Steve Talkowski Character Design & Animation http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: indeed Benjamin wrote:" I have to say, all the Obama supporters seemed very enthusiastic...but not that good at expressing WHY...whereas the few Clinton supporters there were were a lot more eloquent." This is where I'm having the most difficulty. I voted for Obama in the MA primary because I am afraid that Hillary is unelectable. However, the above statement speaks volumes - I still don't really know what Obama's platform is. Change is nice. Yes. But a few more specifics would be helpful. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:19:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: indeed On Feb 10, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > This is where I'm having the most difficulty. I voted for Obama in > the MA primary because I am afraid that Hillary is unelectable. > However, the above statement speaks volumes - I still don't really > know what Obama's platform is. Change is nice. Yes. But a few > more specifics would be helpful. Start reading! http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ There's a lot there, but I couldn't find where he outlines his position on my pet issue: Legalizing industrial hemp farming. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:32:23 -0500 From: FSThomas Subject: REAP We're going to need a bigger boat. Roy Scheider http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/movies/11scheider.html?hp - -- FS Thomas | Interactive Developer | fsthomas-at-ochremedia.com 404.758.8616 (home/office) | 404.274.1632 (mobile) | ferraatu (AIM) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:43:22 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Knitting Factory RH&V3 Print Query On Feb 10, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > I've just recently begun framing some of the artwork I've acquired > over the years, and this print from last year's Knitting Factory show > made the cut. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevetalkowski/2256379906/ > > I'd like to properly attribute the artist, however, the signature is > (to me) illegible, and the only other possible identification is the > phrase "DAMM DAMM DAMM!" in small text on the far right side. That's really nice, an eBay find? We did a nice floating frame for our Soft Boys @ The Fillmore poster. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 22:52:15 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Knitting Factory RH&V3 Print Query On Feb 10, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > On Feb 10, 2008, at 4:01 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > >> I've just recently begun framing some of the artwork I've acquired >> over the years, and this print from last year's Knitting Factory show >> made the cut. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevetalkowski/2256379906/ >> >> I'd like to properly attribute the artist, however, the signature is >> (to me) illegible, and the only other possible identification is the >> phrase "DAMM DAMM DAMM!" in small text on the far right side. > > That's really nice, an eBay find? Hey Tom! No, I actually purchased it after the show. I wasn't feeling too hot that evening, otherwise, I would've stuck around and had Robyn and the guys sign it. (Still kicking myself over that one!) > We did a nice floating frame for our Soft Boys @ The Fillmore poster. > Heh, that's a great illustration! - -Steve p.s. Just checked FedEx and my MP is sitting in a warehouse in NJ tonight! It just may deliver tomorrow... - -- Steve Talkowski Character Design & Animation http://sketchbot.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:39:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap (alternating E's & F's) Roy Scheider http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/10/entertainment/e185450S18.DTL&tsp=1 "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:25:28 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: R.E.M. + Robyn Hitchcock at Royal Albert Hall R.E.M. AND FRIENDS AT ROYAL ALBERT HALL R.E.M. & Friends Kick Start 60 Years of the ICA Celebrations with Royal Albert Hall Show, March 24th With Robyn Hitchcock, Foals, Duke Spirit One week prior to the release of Accelerate, R.E.M. will perform their first ever show at Londonbs Royal Albert Hall to celebrate 60 years of the ICA. Special guests are: Duke Spirit, Foals and Robyn Hitchcock. Tickets go on sale Friday February 15th at 9am and are priced at B#55/B#45/B#40/B#25 and are available from Livenation, and by telephone at 0844 576 5483 (cc 24 hrs). All profits will go to the ICA, a non-profit arts institute and registered charity. R.E.M. tour North America from May 23rd to June 21st before embarking on a European tour startng July 2nd in Amsterdam. Additional U.K. dates will be announced shortly so please stay tuned. There's a *slight* chance that I might go there ... - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:42:17 -0800 (PST) From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: indeed Which is partly why I don't understand what happened with Edwards. His positions are clear and logical, yet the country prefers two candidates whose positions are not obvious. Marcy Jill Brand wrote: Benjamin wrote:" I have to say, all the Obama supporters seemed very enthusiastic...but not that good at expressing WHY...whereas the few Clinton supporters there were were a lot more eloquent." This is where I'm having the most difficulty. I voted for Obama in the MA primary because I am afraid that Hillary is unelectable. However, the above statement speaks volumes - I still don't really know what Obama's platform is. Change is nice. Yes. But a few more specifics would be helpful. Jill - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:46:03 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: reap Tom Lantos - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:24:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: indeed Marcy Tanter wrote: > Which is partly why I don't understand what happened with Edwards. > His positions are clear and logical, yet the country prefers two > candidates whose positions are not obvious. Edwards, though, was hurt by the fact that he was part of the pathetic Kerry-Edwards effort that managed to seize failure out of the hands of victory in 2004 (particularly his failure to do his job on the ticket, which is to be the bad cop, and calling Bush-Cheney out directly, unequivocably, and constantly for being the extraordinary failures they were/are). Other things that hurt his campaign: not running for re-election from the Senate in 2006, Elizabeth Edwards recurrance of breast cancer (if nothing else, these past 8 years have emphasized that being President is an 25 hours a day, 377 days a year job, and having to help care for your terminally ill wife, which Edwards will most likely have to do within the 8 years, is too much of a distraction to expect him or anyone else to overcome), and the allure of making history by electing either a woman or an African-American. > Jill Brand wrote: Benjamin wrote:" I have to say, > all the Obama supporters seemed very > enthusiastic...but not that good at expressing WHY...whereas the > few > Clinton supporters there were were a lot more eloquent." > > This is where I'm having the most difficulty. I voted for Obama in > the > MA primary because I am afraid that Hillary is unelectable. > However, the > above statement speaks volumes - I still don't really know what > Obama's > platform is. Change is nice. Yes. But a few more specifics would > be > helpful. > > Jill > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:16:59 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: indeed On 2/11/08, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > Marcy Tanter wrote: > > Which is partly why I don't understand what happened with Edwards. > > His positions are clear and logical, yet the country prefers two > > candidates whose positions are not obvious. > > Edwards, though, was hurt by the fact that he was part of the > pathetic Kerry-Edwards effort .... Other things that hurt his > campaign: not running for re-election from the Senate in 2006, > Elizabeth Edwards recurrance of breast cancer ... and the allure of making > history by electing either a woman or an African-American. There's also the fact that he's neither the "establishment" candidate (Clinton) nor a charismatic quasi-insurgent (Obama) - for whatever reasons, the press never cottoned much to him (witness the absurd Haircutgate - and the ridiculous traction given the right-wing "but he's a wealthy trail lawyer - it's hypocritical for him to talk about poverty" crap - I mean, what: now you're only legit if you're in favor of yourself and people exactly like you?) And of course, that message was an arrow aimed directly at the heart of corporate America - they're not going to sit still for it. That is, I'm going to disagree that "the country" expressed any sort of preference - most of the country, first of all, hasn't had the chance to do so; and more to the point, most people's opinions are formed by what they see on TV and what they read in the mainstream media - so the press presentation of candidates becomes far more relevant than the candidate's actual positions (if those positions aren't particularly reported). Survey Americans as to whether McCain is a "moderate" or a "conservative" or even a "progressive" - and you'll get a number of folks answering "moderate" or even "progressive," simply due to the media's overreporting his positions that differ from the hard right while underreporting those that place him firmly among the hard right. Not to mention that Robyn could've written that "blowjobs from the press" line about McCain - they love him. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:39:09 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: indeed On Marcy Tanter wrote: > Which is partly why I don't understand what happened with Edwards. > His positions are clear and logical, yet the country prefers two > candidates whose positions are not obvious. I think Edward's problem was not about issues it was the all about the tone of his campaign and the fact that almost every stance he has now runs counter his senate voting record. I was a big Edwards supporter in 2004 and for most of last year but his populist man of the people schtick seemed to suited to running against an incumbent and really didn't offer any real vision for the future other than a world in which he alone can protect us from the evil, evil corporations. Ultimately there is very little difference between Edwards, Obama, and Clinton the issues so it really came down to the vision thing and what the candidates themselves represent. I do find it really funny that Obama and Clinton are constantly arguing about the arcana of their healthcare plans that will most certainly be gutted by the time anything passes congress. - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: indeed Well, who knows how well he would have done if we had a national primary...really, "the country" didn't get to weigh in on Edwards. On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, Marcy Tanter wrote: > Which is partly why I don't understand what happened with Edwards. His positions are clear and logical, yet the country prefers two candidates whose positions are not obvious. > > Marcy > > Jill Brand wrote: Benjamin wrote:" I have to say, all the Obama supporters seemed very > enthusiastic...but not that good at expressing WHY...whereas the few > Clinton supporters there were were a lot more eloquent." > > This is where I'm having the most difficulty. I voted for Obama in the > MA primary because I am afraid that Hillary is unelectable. However, the > above statement speaks volumes - I still don't really know what Obama's > platform is. Change is nice. Yes. But a few more specifics would be > helpful. > > Jill > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:11:32 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: indeed On Feb 11, 2008 9:16 AM, 2fs wrote: > > the ridiculous traction given the right-wing "but he's a wealthy trail > lawyer - it's hypocritical for him to talk about poverty" crap - I mean, > what: now you're only legit if you're in favor of yourself and people > exactly like you?) Well, the criticism did come from the right wing, where the alternative in inconceivable... I'm getting just a wee bit creeped out by the deification of Obama right now. I'll probably get over it, but there's some pretty strong mythologizing going on right now that might prove difficult to live up to. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #496 ********************************