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fegmaniax-digest      Thursday, February 7 2008      Volume 16 : Number 491



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Re: FYI!                                  [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: new R.E.M. track to stream          ["m swedene" <m.swedene@gmail.com>]
  Re: something to do on a snowy day       [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: COOOKIE!!!                  [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                       [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: COOOKIE!!!                              [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  to forge in the Smithy of my soul a lead zeppelin  [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gma]
  Re: Mars Volta                       [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: FYI!                                      [lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #490                    [grutness@slingshot.co.nz]
  Re: something to do on a snowy day        [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                              [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: Teh Teh (was: to forge in teh Smithy of my soul an lead zeppelin)  [Re]
  Re: FYI!                                  [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Lessig for Barack (NR)               [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                            [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: ZEPPELIN!!!                                [Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                                 [Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                       [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                              [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: COOOKIE!!!                            [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: Mars Volta                                 [Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>]
  Re: COOOKIE!!!                     ["kevin studyvin" <kstudyvin@gmail.com>]

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 19:56:11 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FYI!

On Feb 6, 2008 5:10 PM, Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> wrote:

> <<new mountain goats now available on usenet...>>
>
> <What the fuck am I going to do with baby mountain goats?>
>
> somebody has no doubt already responded with something resembling the
> following, but i'm going to claim digest-blindness and post this anyhow:
>
> you, young man, need to listen to more heavy metal.


Eddie FTW.

Some days just come perfectly full circle, and all you have to do is just
sit back and enjoy...

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:08:21 -0500
From: "m swedene" <m.swedene@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: new R.E.M. track to stream

I was just going to post this too.
mike "figuring out his iPhone" swedene

On Feb 6, 2008 10:50 PM, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:

> <
>
> http://stereogum.com/archives/video/new-rem-supernatural-superserious-and-accelerate-p_008000.html
> >
>
> Hmm...actual loudish guitars, Mike Mills vocal harmonies... I kinda like
> it.
>
> --
>
> ...Jeff Norman
>
> The Architectural Dance Society
> http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:29:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: something to do on a snowy day

2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
> (at least if you're in the Midwest and other areas hit by this
> large storm...)
> 
> Discuss:
> 
> I noticed a curious similarity between the careers of two otherwise
> dissimilar bands: The Smiths, and Led Zeppelin. In both cases, your
> main songwriters were a team of singer and guitarist...and in both
> cases, when the bands broke up, the usual expectation was that it
> would be the guitarist whose career would be more interesting (the
> singer presumed only to have written lyrics and maybe vocal
> melodies)...but in both cases, the guitarist's career produced
> little of interest, while the singer proved far
> more canny in choosing collaborators and developing his music
> beyond the confines of his original band's work.

While I think that definitely holds for Plant/Page (I don't know what
the expectations were of either of them since I was only 8 when they
broke up), I don't think it works for Morrissey/Marr.

Morrissey's had a more record sales, but I don't know that's he's
really developed much beyond what The Smiths did, and certainly
hasn't expanded his musical repertoire that much (though he has some,
though I think even most of it is somewhere to be found in the Smiths
oeuvre if you know where to look). While he's had a fairly successful
solo career, it's also been very conservative musically (for both
good and for bad). He's been more successful than a lot of people
predicted, but that ultimately says more about the people who
misunderstood his appeal than how much he's stretched musically.
Then, I don't think he's made a really great solo album without a
title starting the "V," though he's made a few okay ones beyond that,
and couple utter pieces of shit (Kill Uncle, Southpaw Grammar -- he's
least Smith-like -- and that last one; I've never heard Maladjusted
so I can't say anything about it). And he's released way too many
compilations.

Marr's been erratic and spotty (and he really has no business being a
lead vocalist), but he's also done lots of stuff that is far beyond
the scope of what The Smiths sounded like -- the first couple
Electronic albums are certainly very un-Smithy (and the first one
still holds up fairly well as a good pop record, the second has it's
moments), and the stuff he did with The The, Talking Heads, even some
of the stuff he did with Kirsty MacColl and Billy Bragg was really
un-Smithy too (though he did some pretty Smithy work with Kirsty and
Billy as well). And the Modest Mouse album doesn't sound very Smithy,
though you can hear it's him if you've been following what he's been
doing over the years. Really, The Healers was the only conservative
gambit of Marr's, and it was a failure.

Morrissey has been more successful and has building his career than
Marr has, but a lot of that is that Johnny's challenged himself more.
In that sense, Marr has taken the road more like Plant's (with all
the fits and stops, but usually driven by challenging himself, etc)
and Morrissey more like Page's, it's just that Morrissey by virtue of
being the singer can get away with that more than Page can since the
primary impetus for Morrissey-love is lyrical.

I've also now used the word "Smithy" more than I ever would have
thought I would.

"I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer

"The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute
.


      ____________________________________________________________________________________
Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page. 
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 04:30:56 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!!

Jeff wrote:

>On 2/6/08, Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>(and ther are a few Zep songs that I still never ever want to hear again).
>
>Zeppelin suffers from the fact that some of its most-played songs are
itsabsolute worst ("Living Loving Maid" & "Heartbreaker," say).<


...My mileage DOES NOT VARY AT ALL on that account.  I can hear "Nobody's
Fault But Mine" or "Custard Pie" just about any day and never tire of them,
but...please, gawd, no more "Living Loving Maid" & "Heartbreaker" (ditto for
"D'yer Mak'er" and "Good Times Bad Times"...oh, yeah, and that "bustle in yer
hedgerow" song, you know, whatchamacallit...)


Michael "May be the only person I know whose fave Zep record is 'In Through
the Out Door'..." Sweeney
_________________________________________________________________
Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give.
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:35:16 -0600
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:

> --On 6. Februar 2008 10:34:57 -0800 Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>> She has caused the impending demise of the Audities list.
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GlHKl9S70o&feature=related>
>>
>> It's a good thing I don't own a gun or else I would have offed myself
>> about a minute into that.  Holy shit.
>
> OK, so I'm not alone in finding her utterly obnoxious? I couldn't  
> take more than about a minute. I'm asking because I don't really  
> get the Audities reference (I know it's a mailing list, but that's  
> it).


Well.  I wasn't paying close attention to the beginning of the dust- 
up, but here goes:

Some members of the Audities list have the tendency to rather  
enthusiastically endorse various acts.  Someone did so regarding Ms.  
Atkins, and was shot down by another list member, who (if I may  
paraphrase) said that Ms. Atkins was yet another less than top rank  
flavor of the moment and listed several female singers who he thought  
were better. Several people took offense at his tone and a flame war  
ensued.  The list-mom then said it was time, after 11 years, for the  
list to shut down.

Ms. Atkins <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Atkins> seems  
somewhat more interesting than that Letterman clip would suggest.

The shoot-downer was in this <http://tinyurl.com/34true> and other  
bands.

Miles may wish to correct me.



- - Steve
__________
I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone  
girl with a scythe. - John

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:46:11 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!!

On 2/6/08, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Zeppelin suffers from the fact that some of its most-played songs are its
> absolute worst ("Living Loving Maid" & "Heartbreaker," say).<
>
>
> ...My mileage DOES NOT VARY AT ALL on that account.  I can hear "Nobody's
> Fault But Mine" or "Custard Pie" just about any day and never tire of them,
> but...please, gawd, no more "Living Loving Maid" & "Heartbreaker" (ditto for
> "D'yer Mak'er" and "Good Times Bad Times"...oh, yeah, and that "bustle in
> yer hedgerow" song, you know, whatchamacallit...)
>

I see your point - but I kinda like "D'yer Mak'er" (among the dumbest titles
ever - although it's so transcendently stupid it almost comes out the other
side of smart...kinda like the band's name, actually...kinda like the name
of that one Liverpool act from the '60s, what were they called, had a few
big records back then...) and GTBT too.

I think at one point I decided I was simply not going to listen to
"Stairway" for ten years - I thought that, since I don't listen to
commercial radio, it would simply be a matter of not playing my own copy of
it. Somehow, that didn't work - I kept hearing it anyway.

Actually it is a good song - but world all-time champion overplayed. Can you
even listen to it anymore - I mean, actually listen to it?

WFMU's website posted about a zillion bizarre covers of it a while
back...some of those are pretty damned amusing.

I've always liked Zappa transcribing the guitar solo for horns...the rest of
the arrangement doesn't do much for me, though.


Michael "May be the only person I know whose fave Zep record is 'In Through
> the Out Door'..." Sweeney
>

Well, that is a pretty good one!

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:56:16 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: to forge in the Smithy of my soul a lead zeppelin

On 2/6/08, Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I noticed a curious similarity between the careers of two otherwise
> > dissimilar bands: The Smiths, and Led Zeppelin. In both cases, your
> > main songwriters were a team of singer and guitarist...and in both
> > cases, when the bands broke up, the usual expectation was that it
> > would be the guitarist whose career would be more interesting (the
> > singer presumed only to have written lyrics and maybe vocal
> > melodies)...but in both cases, the guitarist's career produced
> > little of interest, while the singer proved far
> > more canny in choosing collaborators and developing his music
> > beyond the confines of his original band's work.
>
> While I think that definitely holds for Plant/Page (I don't know what
> the expectations were of either of them since I was only 8 when they
> broke up),


Well, I wasn't that old either - but just from reading old press and the
like.


I don't think it works for Morrissey/Marr.
>
> Morrissey's had a more record sales, but I don't know that's he's
> really developed much beyond what The Smiths did, and certainly
> hasn't expanded his musical repertoire that much (though he has some,
> though I think even most of it is somewhere to be found in the Smiths
> oeuvre if you know where to look). While he's had a fairly successful
> solo career, it's also been very conservative musically (for both
> good and for bad). He's been more successful than a lot of people
> predicted, but that ultimately says more about the people who
> misunderstood his appeal than how much he's stretched musically.
> Then, I don't think he's made a really great solo album without a
> title starting the "V," though he's made a few okay ones beyond that,
> and couple utter pieces of shit (Kill Uncle, Southpaw Grammar -- he's
> least Smith-like -- and that last one; I've never heard Maladjusted
> so I can't say anything about it). And he's released way too many
> compilations.


True enough - it's sort of where the comparison breaks down. I like more of
Morrissey's records than, it seems, you do...although I don't like them that
much. It's as if they're in a range from pretty good to okay - some songs
rise well above that, but albums... not so much.

But I do think he's varied a bit more than you suggest, albeit subtly.


Marr's been erratic and spotty (and he really has no business being a
> lead vocalist), but he's also done lots of stuff that is far beyond
> the scope of what The Smiths sounded like -- the first couple
> Electronic albums are certainly very un-Smithy (and the first one
> still holds up fairly well as a good pop record, the second has it's
> moments), and the stuff he did with The The, Talking Heads, even some
> of the stuff he did with Kirsty MacColl and Billy Bragg was really
> un-Smithy too (though he did some pretty Smithy work with Kirsty and
> Billy as well). And the Modest Mouse album doesn't sound very Smithy,
> though you can hear it's him if you've been following what he's been
> doing over the years. Really, The Healers was the only conservative
> gambit of Marr's, and it was a failure.


The problem I have w/Marr's career post-Smiths is that he seems to totally
submerge what was once a distinct playing style to the extent that nearly
anyone could have played the parts he played on most of those recordings (I
haven't heard them all, however). The Electronic album is an exception -
i'll have to pull that one out again, actually - and while I know I've heard
bits and pieces of the The The stuff*, I never really liked the band. I'd
totally forgotten he played on a Talking Heads record - but that's because
it's easy to forget he's playing on that record even when you're listening
to it.

That's the problem: he's like The Invisible Guitarist. More to the point:
he's the invisible songwriter. Except for Electronic (and we're talking only
a couple of tracks), the notion that Marr was an equal songwriting partner
seems now a bit unlikely. Even if Morrissey's solo stuff does sound more
Smithy - and hence more limited - that only means he seems, in retrospect,
to have had a greater hand in the Smiths' records than most people thought
at the time.

Even when Morrissey's records are boring, though, his lyrics are usually
quite good. He's definitely up there in overall quality of lyrics (even when
he's being an idiot, as in the recent revival of the "lost Britishness"
bullshit...)


Morrissey has been more successful and has building his career than
> Marr has, but a lot of that is that Johnny's challenged himself more.
> In that sense, Marr has taken the road more like Plant's (with all
> the fits and stops, but usually driven by challenging himself, etc)
> and Morrissey more like Page's, it's just that Morrissey by virtue of
> being the singer can get away with that more than Page can since the
> primary impetus for Morrissey-love is lyrical.


And, I think, charisma. That took him further than people would have
expected.

Plant, though, continues to surprise me: even though he's clearly rooted in
the stuff he's always been, he also obviously keeps an ear to the ground
(uh, several ears, or several grounds, or...next metaphor please?). His
music sounds committed to that sort of discovery - unlike a lot of massively
successful musicians his age, he doesn't sound like he's just phoning it in,
content that his band's back catalog still sells assloads.


I've also now used the word "Smithy" more than I ever would have
> thought I would.


* whereas I've legitimately used the word "the" three times consecutively...

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:56:02 -0600
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:37 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:

> I don't think I have ever consciously heard anything by Rush. I  
> don't believe they're as big in Europe as in North America. So do  
> they sound similar to The Mars Volta?


Similar similar?  I would say no, although it would be reasonable to  
think that fans of one might be disposed to like the other.

I will, once again, put in a plug for Porcupine Tree, who probably  
fall somewhere between the two.



- - Steve
__________
I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone  
girl with a scythe. - John

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 00:00:13 -0500
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FYI!

Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> says:
> Eddie FTW.

can eddie read this yet? (the FTW part, i mean.  i figure he's got his
name down cold.)

as ever,
lauren

- -- 
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:01:53 +1300
From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #490

><<There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but the
>batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies do.>>
>
><Depends whereabouts in the world you live, I suppose. There are a few out
>there who get coverage (the UK's John Pilger springs to mind, for one).>
>
>james, what makes you say that pilger is batshit insane?  as far as i'm
>concerned, pilger, fisk, and patrick cockburn are the best mainstream
>british journalists going.  pilger is perhaps the most emotional of the
>three, but is also possibly the most effective.

Hm - maybe it's just the stuff that's filtered through to this side 
of the world that seems somewhat demented. I do recall a TV interview 
with him here in NZ (admittedly with one of our most obnoxious and 
acidic interviewers) where he was close to frothing at the mouth, but 
as IK say, the interviewer wasn't exactly the best one.

FWIW, of the UK-based lefty political commentators I see work by 
here, the best by a country mile is Canadian Gwynne Dyer - his work 
is lucid, thought provoking, and usually right on the money.

James
- -- 
    James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand  <http://www.grutness.co.nz>
    -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-
    =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-.
    -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=-
    .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:03:58 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: something to do on a snowy day

On Feb 6, 2008 8:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've also now used the word "Smithy" more than I ever would have
> thought I would.
>

The funny thing is that each  time you did so until you called attention to
it that last time, I read it as "Smithsy".

Morrissey is also a way more successful Rock en Espanol artist than Robert
Plant ever has been.

I don't know which would funnier, the Smiths doing an album of Zeppelin
covers or vice-versa.  Strangely, the latter seems more likely, Plant having
worked with people from the Cure and all.

- -Rex

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:59:34 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On 2/6/08, Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
>
> > --On 6. Februar 2008 10:34:57 -0800 Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> She has caused the impending demise of the Audities list.
> >>>
> >>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GlHKl9S70o&feature=related>
>
> > OK, so I'm not alone in finding her utterly obnoxious? I couldn't
> > take more than about a minute. I'm asking because I don't really
> > get the Audities reference (I know it's a mailing list, but that's
> > it).
>
> Some members of the Audities list have the tendency to rather
> enthusiastically endorse various acts.  Someone did so regarding Ms.
> Atkins, and was shot down by another list member, who (if I may
> paraphrase) said that Ms. Atkins was yet another less than top rank
> flavor of the moment and listed several female singers who he thought
> were better. Several people took offense at his tone and a flame war
> ensued.  The list-mom then said it was time, after 11 years, for the
> list to shut down.


The list is actually going to shut down? After 11 years? Because of that?

That's nuts. I mean, if we can survive our various uglinesses (of which
there have been many...) why can't they?

I thought the first few moments of that Atkins video was fairly
interesting...but then she cranked up the vocal histrionics, and I shut it
down. The video, that is.

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:12:33 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Teh Teh (was: to forge in teh Smithy of my soul an lead zeppelin)

On Feb 6, 2008 8:56 PM, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I've also now used the word "Smithy" more than I ever would have
> > thought I would.
>
>
> * whereas I've legitimately used the word "the" three times
> consecutively...


I'll see the "the 'The The'" triad in that e-mail, and raise you by means of
the use of the "the 'the "The The"'" the e-mail at hand contains.

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:13:45 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FYI!

On Feb 6, 2008 9:00 PM, lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> says:
> > Eddie FTW.
>
> can eddie read this yet? (the FTW part, i mean.  i figure he's got his
> name down cold.)
>

Actually, he fucks up and calls himself Ken all the time.

- -Rex "THE REX" Rexster

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:13:56 -0600
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Lessig for Barack (NR)

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDzvmY1XPo>

<http://lessig.org/blog/>


FWIT.


- - Steve
__________
I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone  
girl with a scythe. - John

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:16:34 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On Feb 6, 2008 8:59 PM, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> The list is actually going to shut down? After 11 years? Because of that?
>
> That's nuts. I mean, if we can survive our various uglinesses (of which
> there have been many...) why can't they?


You'd have to suspect that there was some kind of other reason, communal
burnout or something, and that was just the needle in the camel's eye.  Or
something.  It's a pretty strident list, innit?

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:16:20 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>
Subject: Re: ZEPPELIN!!!

On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote:

> Michael "May be the only person I know whose fave Zep record is 'In  
> Through
> the Out Door'..." Sweeney

For me it's a toss up between "Physical Graffiti" and "Presence".  I  
mean "Ten Years Gone"?  "Achilles Last Stand"?  GOLD JERRY, GOLD!

- -tc

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:21:51 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:59 PM, 2fs wrote:

> I thought the first few moments of that Atkins video was fairly
> interesting...but then she cranked up the vocal histrionics, and I  
> shut it
> down. The video, that is.

The histrionics were bad enough, but then the song just didn't *go  
anywhere*.  My feeling was "this is probably what it sounds like when  
Rufus Wainright is working out a lyric in the shower".

- -tc

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:40:22 -0600
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On Feb 6, 2008, at 10:59 PM, 2fs wrote:

> On 2/6/08, Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
>>
>>> --On 6. Februar 2008 10:34:57 -0800 Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> She has caused the impending demise of the Audities list.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GlHKl9S70o&feature=related>
>>
>>> OK, so I'm not alone in finding her utterly obnoxious? I couldn't
>>> take more than about a minute. I'm asking because I don't really
>>> get the Audities reference (I know it's a mailing list, but that's
>>> it).
>>
>> Some members of the Audities list have the tendency to rather
>> enthusiastically endorse various acts.  Someone did so regarding Ms.
>> Atkins, and was shot down by another list member, who (if I may
>> paraphrase) said that Ms. Atkins was yet another less than top rank
>> flavor of the moment and listed several female singers who he thought
>> were better. Several people took offense at his tone and a flame war
>> ensued.  The list-mom then said it was time, after 11 years, for the
>> list to shut down.
>
>
> The list is actually going to shut down? After 11 years? Because of  
> that?
>
> That's nuts. I mean, if we can survive our various uglinesses (of  
> which
> there have been many...) why can't they?
>
> I thought the first few moments of that Atkins video was fairly
> interesting...but then she cranked up the vocal histrionics, and I  
> shut it
> down. The video, that is.
>

This is not the first disagreement. There was one over some sexist  
remarks not too long ago.  To be fair (I think), there are a good  
number of "if you can't say anything nice" folk on the Audities  
list.  But the list-mom said it wasn't just this.  Maybe the list had  
lived its natural life-span.  It did originate around the time that  
the Audities magazine went under.

There will be a follow-on list via Google.



- - Steve, regretting those Ryan Adams albums I bought because of the  
Audities poll
__________
I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone  
girl with a scythe. - John

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:42:56 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On 2/6/08, Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:59 PM, 2fs wrote:
>
> > I thought the first few moments of that Atkins video was fairly
> > interesting...but then she cranked up the vocal histrionics, and I
> > shut it
> > down. The video, that is.
>
> The histrionics were bad enough, but then the song just didn't *go
> anywhere*.  My feeling was "this is probably what it sounds like when
> Rufus Wainright is working out a lyric in the shower".



And the First Annual Feg "Giving A Woody to Gay Male Fegs" Award goes to...

Tom Clark!

Let's have a warm round of "fuck yous" ladies and gentlemen!


- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:06:01 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!!

On Feb 6, 2008 8:46 PM, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/6/08, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think at one point I decided I was simply not going to listen to
> > "Stairway" for ten years - I thought that, since I don't listen to
> > commercial radio, it would simply be a matter of not playing my own copy of
> > it. Somehow, that didn't work - I kept hearing it anyway.
> >
>
> Actually it is a good song - but world all-time champion overplayed. Can
> you even listen to it anymore - I mean, actually listen to it?
>
> WFMU's website posted about a zillion bizarre covers of it a while
> back...some of those are pretty damned amusing.
>

One of which must've been Dread Zeppelin's version, which I oddly heard just
minutes after reading this, while digitizing a cassette of French radio
circa 1991.  On the same tape is the very first time I ever heard Nirvana,
although I wouldn't know it for years... it's "Sliver", but the DJ
pronounces it "Sly-ver", "par le Neervuh-nuh".  I think it was probably off
of a SubPop 7" at that time.  I thought it was maybe a Dinosaur Jr. b-side,
or by a band called "Slider".  Didn't know who it really was until well
after the Incesticide compilation was released.

That was a long time ago, really.

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:02:17 -0800
From: Tom Clark <tclark@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Mars Volta

On Feb 6, 2008, at 9:42 PM, 2fs wrote:
>
> And the First Annual Feg "Giving A Woody to Gay Male Fegs" Award  
> goes to...
>
> Tom Clark!
>
> Let's have a warm round of "fuck yous" ladies and gentlemen!

They do have a way with lather!

- -tc, more in the David Bowie camp...

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:22:51 -0800
From: "kevin studyvin" <kstudyvin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!!

I recollect one late night many wasted years ago a hilarious spot on SCTV
for an album of covers of Stairway to heaven called, predictably enough,
"Stairways To Heaven," with seriously giggle-inducing snippets of persons
purporting to be Rickie Lee Jones, Gordon Lightfoot and I don't remember
who-all in mid-stairway.  Unfortunately it hasn't made the move to DVD.
Probably one of the things they couldn't afford the rights to.  I'm not sure
about the status of "Gordon Lightfoot Sings Every Song Ever Written" which
they perpetrated about the same time, of which I particularly recall
somebody's Lightfoot impression on "Supercalifragilistiexpialidocious,"
Wicked funny.

On Feb 6, 2008 10:06 PM, Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 6, 2008 8:46 PM, 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2/6/08, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think at one point I decided I was simply not going to listen to
> > > "Stairway" for ten years - I thought that, since I don't listen to
> > > commercial radio, it would simply be a matter of not playing my own
> copy of
> > > it. Somehow, that didn't work - I kept hearing it anyway.
> > >
> >
> > Actually it is a good song - but world all-time champion overplayed. Can
> > you even listen to it anymore - I mean, actually listen to it?
> >
> > WFMU's website posted about a zillion bizarre covers of it a while
> > back...some of those are pretty damned amusing.
> >
>
> One of which must've been Dread Zeppelin's version, which I oddly heard
> just
> minutes after reading this, while digitizing a cassette of French radio
> circa 1991.  On the same tape is the very first time I ever heard Nirvana,
> although I wouldn't know it for years... it's "Sliver", but the DJ
> pronounces it "Sly-ver", "par le Neervuh-nuh".  I think it was probably
> off
> of a SubPop 7" at that time.  I thought it was maybe a Dinosaur Jr.
> b-side,
> or by a band called "Slider".  Didn't know who it really was until well
> after the Incesticide compilation was released.
>
> That was a long time ago, really.
>
> -Rex

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