From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #489 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 6 2008 Volume 16 : Number 489 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mars Volta [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Mars Volta [Steve Schiavo ] Re: Mars Volta [Steve Schiavo ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Whedonverse related ["Sumiko Keay" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 [2fs ] Re: Mars Volta [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Mars Volta [2fs ] Re: Mars Volta [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Mars Volta [Rex ] COOOKIE!!! [2fs ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 [Benjamin Lukoff ] once more... [2fs ] Re: Ralph! [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [Rex ] Re: Ralph! [Rex ] Re: Ralph! [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [lep ] Re: Mars Volta [Sebastian Hagedorn ] iTunes WTF, part more [JBJ ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [The Great Quail ] Re: iTunes WTF, part more [2fs ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [Christopher Gross ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [2fs ] something to do on a snowy day [2fs ] Re: iTunes WTF, part more [Christopher Gross ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: COOOKIE!!! [Rex ] Re: iTunes WTF, part more [lep ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Mars Volta On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Rex wrote: > On Feb 5, 2008 5:53 AM, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 5:48 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > > > --On 5. Februar 2008 12:41:47 +1300 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > > >> I've just for the first time become aware of the music of The Mars > > >> Volta > > > > > > Same here - actually I was wondering if I was allowed to like them > > > as a Feg? > > > > You're allowed to like anything you want. As long as it's not > > something with cookie monster vocals, > > Nah, Muppets records are approved feg listening. Yeah--what do you mean as long as it's *not* something with Cookie Monster vocals? http://soapnix.com/2008/01/28/129 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 20:30:51 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Mars Volta On Feb 5, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Rex wrote: >> or Nicole Atkins. > > > Who dat? She has caused the impending demise of the Audities list. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:00:04 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Re: Mars Volta On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > Yeah--what do you mean as long as it's *not* something with Cookie > Monster > vocals? It's a technical term , as in "I could really like Opeth, except for the cookie monster vocals." - - Steve __________ The actual Cookie Monster is cool, although not as much as Snuffleupagus. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:21:08 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 >connection it does have to the US (for reasons good and not-so)> > >i think it has more to do with its being the longest-standing occupation >going, and its being a particularly brutal occupation. (well, i guess >they're all pretty brutal...) That depends on your definition of an occupation, I suppose, though no doubt you're right about the brutality side of things. Much worse than any longer ones, though some parts of the several-hundred-years-long occupation of Northern Ireland would run it close, as would parts of the almost-as-long-as-Israel Tibetan occupation. > >There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but the > >batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies do. I Depends whereabouts in the world you live, I suppose. There are a few out there who get coverage (the UK's John Pilger springs to mind, for one). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:21:18 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Whedonverse related I don't know if any of you were aware but for some years now Firefly fans had heard that Steve Brust had written a Firefly story that we were all dying to read but because he'd written on his own - it couldn't be published. Well, he apparently came to some sort of agreement because it is now available online: http://dreamcafe.com/firefly.html Enjoy! Sumi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:53:02 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 On 2/5/08, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > >There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but > the > > >batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies > do. I > > Depends whereabouts in the world you live, I suppose. There are a few > out there who get coverage (the UK's John Pilger springs to mind, for > one). But that's a good example: Pilger's far left, to be sure - but has he ever endorsed anything as utterly crazed as the notion that the Clintons had Vince Foster (who shot himself) killed? Yet right-wingers floating that idea get mainstream press and radio coverage in the US. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:13:49 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Mars Volta On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Steve Schiavo wrote: > On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > Yeah--what do you mean as long as it's *not* something with Cookie > > Monster > > vocals? > > It's a technical term Cookie_Monster_vocals>, as in "I could really like Opeth, except for > the cookie monster vocals." Who knew? NP: John Lennon, "Hold On" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:37:05 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Mars Volta On 2/5/08, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > > Yeah--what do you mean as long as it's *not* something with Cookie > > > Monster > > > vocals? > > > > It's a technical term > Cookie_Monster_vocals>, as in "I could really like Opeth, except for > > the cookie monster vocals." > > Who knew? Not sure what you mean by "who knew?" - I mean, I've been hearing the phrase "cookie monster vocals" for years - but that's surely one of the most stupid, idiotic things about metal. I mean, look: if the idea is to convey some sort of intensity, or whatever, doing it *all the time* rather diminished the effect, doncha think? "No dude! Louder faster cruder all the time is better!" Morons. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 21:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Mars Volta On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, 2fs wrote: > On 2/5/08, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Steve Schiavo wrote: > > > > > On Feb 5, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah--what do you mean as long as it's *not* something with Cookie > > > > Monster > > > > vocals? > > > > > > It's a technical term > > Cookie_Monster_vocals>, as in "I could really like Opeth, except for > > > the cookie monster vocals." > > > > Who knew? > > > Not sure what you mean by "who knew?" - I mean, I've been hearing the phrase > "cookie monster vocals" for years - but that's surely one of the most > stupid, idiotic things about metal. I mean, look: if the idea is to convey > some sort of intensity, or whatever, doing it *all the time* rather > diminished the effect, doncha think? I meant I'd never heard it referred to by that name...obviously, CMV meant Frank Oz to me :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:00:32 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Mars Volta On Feb 5, 2008 9:49 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > > Not sure what you mean by "who knew?" - I mean, I've been hearing the > phrase > > "cookie monster vocals" for years - but that's surely one of the most > > stupid, idiotic things about metal. I mean, look: if the idea is to > convey > > some sort of intensity, or whatever, doing it *all the time* rather > > diminished the effect, doncha think? > > I meant I'd never heard it referred to by that name...obviously, CMV meant > Frank Oz to me :) A few years back I read an article on the phenomenon, and, much to my surprise, halfway through the article they contacted Frank Oz and asked him about it... he hadn't heard of it, so they played him some examples. He definitely heard the parallel but was generally, like most of us, nonplussed. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 00:14:38 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: COOOKIE!!! On 2/6/08, Rex wrote: > > > > A few years back I read an article on the phenomenon, and, much to my > surprise, halfway through the article they contacted Frank Oz and asked him > about it... he hadn't heard of it, so they played him some examples. He > definitely heard the parallel but was generally, like most of us, > nonplussed. > I really don't get contemporary metal. I've made several attempts at trying, courtesy some metal-loving friends and acquaintances (including the metal DJ at our local independent radio station). It just seems so indescribably dumb to me. The vocals, the "evil," the reliance on the same musical devices, the terribly bad taste when they're trying to do "art" ("ooh! let's hire an operatic soprano and a string section to sound like Tchaikovsky - but over downstroke power chords!"), etc. etc. etc. I mean, I've no doubt these guys (99% guys) have practiced diligently for years and years, and they're mostly absolute monsters on their instruments, technically...but they seem to have nothing to say, at all. And while it's rarely a true concern of mine musically, it must be said that metal seems to be the least funktified music ever: there's no life in its beats, no elasticity, no soul. I suppose it's an accurate reflection of what it feels like getting paid minimum wage to slave over a carburetor all day long...but man, it just absolutely doesn't connect with me, in a way no other genre does. However, metal is not the worst music ever. I got some freebie disc the other day - and it contained a "song" by the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. (Okay, there's a metalish *influence* there...) It was like bad to the badth power times bad factorial. Only worse. I truly believe I would rather listen to an hour of recorded penguin farts. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 22:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > >connection it does have to the US (for reasons good and not-so)> > > > >i think it has more to do with its being the longest-standing occupation > >going, and its being a particularly brutal occupation. (well, i guess > >they're all pretty brutal...) > > That depends on your definition of an occupation, I suppose, though > no doubt you're right about the brutality side of things. Much worse > than any longer ones, though some parts of the > several-hundred-years-long occupation of Northern Ireland would run > it close, as would parts of the almost-as-long-as-Israel Tibetan > occupation. Does the presence of non-Natives in North America constitute an occupation? > > >There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but the > > >batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies do. I > > Depends whereabouts in the world you live, I suppose. There are a few > out there who get coverage (the UK's John Pilger springs to mind, for > one). Does George Galloway count? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 00:24:43 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: once more... Several reasons why, of the remaining Dem. candidates, Obama is the better choice: - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Ralph! On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Stacked Crooked wrote: > solution except to have us withdraw?> > > didn't mean for my response to sound snippy. i just...wouldn't want to > imply that i think that it's any of my/our fucking business. Odd, I thought it *was* our business that people were being oppressed... no? > connection it does have to the US (for reasons good and not-so)> > > i think it has more to do with its being the longest-standing occupation > going, and its being a particularly brutal occupation. (well, i guess > they're all pretty brutal...) The white occupation of North America has been going on for over 500 years... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:07:31 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! On Feb 5, 2008 10:14 PM, 2fs wrote: > On 2/6/08, Rex wrote: > > > > > > > > A few years back I read an article on the phenomenon, and, much to my > > surprise, halfway through the article they contacted Frank Oz and asked > him > > about it... he hadn't heard of it, so they played him some examples. He > > definitely heard the parallel but was generally, like most of us, > > nonplussed. > > > > I really don't get contemporary metal. I've made several attempts at > trying, > courtesy some metal-loving friends and acquaintances (including the metal > DJ > at our local independent radio station). > > It just seems so indescribably dumb to me. And there it is. Couldn't agree more. I actually couldn't say that I liked anything that could even remotely be called "metal" until the Great Broome Led Zeppelin Acceptance Event of 2006 (Approx). Ah, well. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:10:45 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Ralph! On Feb 5, 2008 11:00 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > they're all pretty brutal...) > > The white occupation of North America has been going on for over 500 > years... USA OUT OF... ummm... Yeah, if I don't like it, why don't I just go back to... England, or... Scotland? Wales? Don't really know. Place with white people. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 23:16:39 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Ralph! On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Rex wrote: > On Feb 5, 2008 11:00 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > they're all pretty brutal...) > > > > The white occupation of North America has been going on for over 500 > > years... > > USA OUT OF... ummm... > Yeah, if I don't like it, why don't I just go back to... England, or... > Scotland? Wales? Don't really know. Place with white people. Seriously though, when does the statute of limitations run out? Would the Duwamish be justified in blowing up the Space Needle? Can the Celts run the Anglo-Saxons and Danes out of Britain? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 02:48:28 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! 2fs says: > years and years, and they're mostly absolute monsters on their instruments, COOKIE monsters? xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:37:04 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Mars Volta - --On 5. Februar 2008 08:06:33 -0800 Rex wrote: > The Mars Volta is eligible under the "some fegs like Rush" clause, I > believe. I don't think I have ever consciously heard anything by Rush. I don't believe they're as big in Europe as in North America. So do they sound similar to The Mars Volta? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:25:56 -0800 From: JBJ Subject: iTunes WTF, part more I'm using a third-party tagging tool to re-tag some mp3s, and this afternoon I dragged some of them into iTunes to check out my finished work. To my horror, I noticed that any files that I tagged with an "Indie" genre appear in iTunes with the genre blank. I can go into iTunes and manually change it to Indie, and it will stick, BUT I don't want to do this for any of the thousand files that I've tagged so far. What gives with Indie?? I've started troubleshooting and experimenting, creating custom genres and such to see what iTunes does and does not like. So far, it is just indie. FWIW, I'm choosing to include v2.3 and v1.1 tags for each file. I'm using iTunes 7.5 on OS X ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:43:41 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! Jeff writes, > I really don't get contemporary metal. The fact you added "contemporary" implies you may have gotten something from old-school metal. So it might be helpful to point out that there's a lot of different types of contemporary metal... Not everything is the "Cookie Monster" vocal style metal pioneered (if I may use that word!) by Cannibal Corpse and taken up with glee by our Scandinavian brothers. There's also the Iron-Maiden-meets-Slayer school of complicated metal such as Lamb of God, Avenged Sevenfold, and my own favorite, Mastodon. You could probably put High on Fire in there as well. Related to this are the more proggie groups such as Isis and Argollach who like to space their songs out over ten minutes or more.... Then there's the whole Black Sabbath-influenced retro-70s school as typified by Wofmother, Electric Wizard, and The Sword. I suppose Sleep could be located here, too, but they also like the really long, slow burns. There's also groups like Black Mountain, which seem to pull from metal but can't really be labeled as such... All I'm saying is, contemporary metal is not a monolithic group, and N|-metal and Black Metal are no longer the only choices. Knowing what I do about your own tastes, I'd give Black Mountain a try, and maybe Wolfmother or Sleep.... - --Q|ail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:21:26 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: iTunes WTF, part more On 2/2/08, JBJ wrote: > > I'm using a third-party tagging tool to re-tag some mp3s, and this > afternoon > I dragged some of them into iTunes to check out my finished work. > To my horror, I noticed that any files that I tagged with an "Indie" genre > appear in iTunes with the genre blank. Can't help you - but it's interesting the way different people work with their collections. I have absolutely no use for "genre" tags - I think I have some sort of ideological objection to categorizing music by genre, even when realistically the music pretty clearly belongs within an existing genre. More than that, I don't know why I'd want to use it (again, this is just with me): I'm rarely in a mood to listen to, say, "prog" generically...if I'm in a mood like that, I'd just quickly make a playlist from artists or songs that fit that mood. But it's unusual that my moods correspond with genres (it's unusual that I construct music-listening according to mood either) - I mean, if I want to listen to something depressing, there's depressing music in nearly every genre. I find it alternately amusing and annoying the prefab genre tags various sources give to particular albums - sometimes it's clearly insane (like, say, Wilco being labeled "metal"), other times it's a dumb default (some tagging program somewhere obviously defaults to labeling everything "blues" - - presumably, its first category alphabetically - because I've seen a whole raft of things that are rather clearly not blues at all labeled "blues"), and other times it's the sort of thing where, apparently, an artist is tagged with a genre early in their career, and it just sticks. I defy you to find anything "country" on _Yankee Hotel Foxtrot_, for instance. I sometimes get the impression that some people (non-musicians, almost certainly) think of genres as rules...as if there's a certain set of things you do to make "indie rock," etc. And while I suppose that's partially true (particularly with boring genres like Chicago-style blues...as far as I can tell, altering key and tempo you could switch in phrases from any one blues song to any other...), it's probably not how most musicians think. At least not the interesting ones. "Genre" has always seemed an after-the-fact construct by journalists rather than a real musical trait, in other words. Anyway: how *do* somefegs use genre tags? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! I posted this article -- a rare exception to the rule that the WSJ's opinion pieces are far inferior to its news reporting -- a good two years ago. It's nice to see that at least one of you kinda sorta remembered it. That's Good Enough for Me Cookie Monsters of death-metal music. by Jim Fusilli Wednesday, February 1, 2006 http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110007902 - --Chris Monster ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:35:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! On 2/6/08, The Great Quail wrote: > > Jeff writes, > > > I really don't get contemporary metal. > > The fact you added "contemporary" implies you may have gotten something > from > old-school metal. Yeah, I can like some of early and middle Black Sabbath, up to about...uh, what's the one with the horrifying tight trousers and the mirror? Oh wait - that was Spinal Tap ;-) No seriously: I do like that album - so long's I don't have to look at the cover. So it might be helpful to point out that there's a lot of > different types of contemporary metal... Oh, I know - as I said, at various times I've asked people who know the genre (large-scale...and re my previous post, "metal" is a relatively coherent genre name) to make me mixes from as many subgenres as they could manage. A few years ago, one of my students was also the host of a metal show on our local indie radio station - she made me a mix. It boiled down to this: some of the material was musically interesting, but often the singing left me cold, annoyed, or amused. It wasn't all cookie-monster - but it usually had a sort of histrionic quality that rarely felt earned. > There's also the Iron-Maiden-meets-Slayer school of complicated metal such > as Lamb of God, Avenged Sevenfold, and my own favorite, Mastodon. You > could > probably put High on Fire in there as well. The other thing that I just don't get it is the whole imagery of metal. I mean, even when I kinda like what's going on musically (and the area above is probably where I'm likeliest to enjoy it - I do have a softish spot for prog, after all), all this pseudo-Satanism, death-and-fire shit is just boring and dumb. (I am reacting in this case to the band names (Lamb of God, Avenged Sevenfold) - but as I said, while I'm not a super-experienced metal listener, I have made efforts to hear some of this stuff, and so it's not *just* ignorance...) Then there's the whole Black Sabbath-influenced retro-70s school as typified > by Wofmother, Electric Wizard, and The Sword. I suppose Sleep could be > located here, too, but they also like the really long, slow burns. And some of this can be okay, too - at least, by description. Incidentally, I can probably appreciate things often known as "stoner rock" but only if there's a degree of subtlety there. There's also groups like Black Mountain, which seem to pull from metal but > can't really be labeled as such... I think there's also a certain guitar tone or playing style that I don't like. Partly that's because it seems cliched to me (your downstroked power chords...) but, I dunno, there's lots of other styles of guitar playing that get used *very* often, and whose connotations are pretty specific, and yet I don't react to them as cliched...so as I've often said, perhaps I just lack the metal gene. It certainly isn't volume, or aggression - and for some reason, there are moments in various bands that some folks think of as metal-like but for me don't sound really metal at all - again, I think it's the guitar tone and playing style I'm hearing. For instance: there are moments of King Crimson which would seem to be describable as metal-like...but I don't hear them that way, partly for the reasons above but also because I'm sort of hearing the band in its own history. Another example: I will insist to the end of my days that Led Zeppelin is not metal. They're hard rock...but to me, Page never used the playing style or tone that I associate with metal, old-school or new. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:38:25 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: something to do on a snowy day (at least if you're in the Midwest and other areas hit by this large storm...) Discuss: I noticed a curious similarity between the careers of two otherwise dissimilar bands: The Smiths, and Led Zeppelin. In both cases, your main songwriters were a team of singer and guitarist...and in both cases, when the bands broke up, the usual expectation was that it would be the guitarist whose career would be more interesting (the singer presumed only to have written lyrics and maybe vocal melodies)...but in both cases, the guitarist's career produced little of interest, while the singer proved far more canny in choosing collaborators and developing his music beyond the confines of his original band's work. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:53:22 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: iTunes WTF, part more You wanna know the absolute worst thing about genre tags? Some people upload music files tagged, not Alternative, or even Alternarock (which is bad enough!), but ... AlternRock. Ugh. Fingernails on a blackboard. As for my own genre tags, I sometimes set them but never use them. If I'm ever in the slightest doubt -- is this alternative or indie? is that techno or electronica? should I say heavy metal or just metal? -- I tend to resolve the problem by leaving the field blank. I also always strip out those "ripped by tHe jEsTeR!!!!" type comments. Sorry, Jester, it's just too annoying to look at. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:03:57 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! - --On 6. Februar 2008 11:43:41 -0500 The Great Quail wrote: > Then there's the whole Black Sabbath-influenced retro-70s school as > typified by Wofmother I wouldn't call Wolfmother metal at all, but maybe that's semantics ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:06:35 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! - --On 6. Februar 2008 11:35:09 -0600 2fs wrote: > Another example: I will insist to the end of my days that Led Zeppelin is > not metal. They're hard rock... I agree. Even old-school "heavy metal" like Deep Purple isn't really "metal" in my book. > but to me, Page never used the playing > style or tone that I associate with metal, old-school or new. Exactly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:09:36 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: COOOKIE!!! On Feb 6, 2008 8:43 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > Knowing what I do > about your own tastes, I'd give Black Mountain a try, and maybe Wolfmother > or Sleep.... > Man, even the *metal* bands are in on that "wolf" band-name trend? Animal band names: they're not just for twee indie chamber groups any more! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:14:51 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: iTunes WTF, part more 2fs says: > Anyway: how *do* somefegs use genre tags? everything in my collection, except chet baker, miles davis, and charles mingus, gets tagged "rock and roll" (and that's way different than "rock". letterman says so.) xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #489 ********************************