From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #488 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 5 2008 Volume 16 : Number 488 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [lep ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [Rex ] Re: Ralph! ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [2fs ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [2fs ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [Rex ] RE: American tunes ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: American tunes [2fs ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [Rex ] Re: American tunes [Rex ] Holy Fucking Mackerel! ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [Rex ] Re: Ralph! [Rex ] Re: Holy Fucking Mackerel! [Tom Clark ] Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [2fs ] Reap ("Who the Fuck do you think you are?" division) [Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama Jeff Dwarf says: > Rex wrote: > > Tom asked why Hillary is so intensely > > disliked, and nobody took him up on it... presumably because it's > > all unreasoning hatred, but from whence does it spring? > > Bill Maher has said repeatedly that hating Hillary mostly says more > about the person hating than her. That said, I think a lot of it > comes down to plain old misogyny -- she has always been > unapologetically ambitious and wonky, which fed this fantasy that she > "obviously" was (a) a lesbian and (b) only married Bill to ride his > coattails to the White House (nevermind that they were too young for > her to possibly know that would happen -- it's not like finding a > smooth-talking law student who thinks he's going to be President > someday is that hard). The thing is that, in the aftermath of > Monica-gate, when she really had no politcally motivated reason to > stick with the guy -- after all, the 6 people who would actually hold > divorcing Bill against her will never vote for her anyways -- SHE > FORGAVE HIM, which shows that she probably actually loves the > jackass. Throw in that she became a Democrat after growing up in a > Republican family, and that she was a staffer on the Watergate > investigative committee, .... i'm not one to attribute much to misogyny, but i'm with jeff on this one. i've always found the intense dislike of hillary and, to a lesser extent, bill clinton, to be strong enough that i feel like there's some irrationality behind it. hillary never knew her place (or so that's what the haters seemed to say), and it bothered folks enough that they even went so far to hate her husband for it as well (because, if he was any sort of a man, she *would* know her place, so ultimately, the fault lies with mr. clinton (which is some sort of once-removed, but even more ignorant and frightening kind of female-hating.)) btw, pennsylvania primary != to-day. i think it's in early may, but, not being so sure, i'll go whatever the radio tells me to. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:22:06 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 12:15 PM, lep wrote: > > btw, pennsylvania primary != to-day. i think it's in early may, but, > not being so sure, i'll go whatever the radio tells me to. > Elvis Costello would approve, albeit sarcastically. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:25:55 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: Ralph! that's not true, rex. i mean, the occupation might become so logistically/militarily untenable that the next administration will be forced to withdraw. but neither obama nor clinton will do so voluntarily. <<...anything i missed?>> heh, considering that i'm sitting a hop, skip, and half-hour-boat-ride away from 25% of the united states' nuclear weapons; and that i'm sitting a few hours' drive from the most polluted site in the western hemisphere; i could certainly have included "out of the pacific northwest". didn't mean for my response to sound snippy. i just...wouldn't want to imply that i think that it's any of my/our fucking business. yeah, i could say something obvious, like, enforce UN 242 and UN 194; or, better, that it should be a bi-national state; or, even better still, that all national frontiers should be erased. but assuming the existence of the u.s. military in the region, any "obvious" (to the rest of the world, that is) solution will be considered "politically unfeasible". it appears you've used this indignation (whether real or faux) as a dodge to avoid addressing the substance of my remarks. if you're afraid of debating the facts, just say so -- you don't have to get all up in a huff - -- especially over a *word*. uhm...you do? uhm...you do? yes, this is my impression as well. i think it has more to do with its being the longest-standing occupation going, and its being a particularly brutal occupation. (well, i guess they're all pretty brutal...) i like nicole atkins. i do not like the mars volta, however. i uploaded her latest album to usenet, as one of my fave rekkids of '07. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:30:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 2:15 PM, lep wrote: > Jeff Dwarf says: > > Rex wrote: > > > Tom asked why Hillary is so intensely > > > disliked, and nobody took him up on it... presumably because it's > > > all unreasoning hatred, but from whence does it spring? > i'm not one to attribute much to misogyny, but i'm with jeff on this > one. i've always found the intense dislike of hillary and, to a > lesser extent, bill clinton, to be strong enough that i feel like > there's some irrationality behind it. hillary never knew her place > (or so that's what the haters seemed to say), and it bothered folks > enough that they even went so far to hate her husband for it as well > (because, if he was any sort of a man, she *would* know her place, so > ultimately, the fault lies with mr. clinton (which is some sort of > once-removed, but even more ignorant and frightening kind of > female-hating.)) I think there's also this weird sense of "you just haven't earned it yet, baby" applied to both Clintons. Clintons kinda came from nowhere, there was the "draft-dodging" and non-inhaling dope-smoking, his charisma, the fact that Hillary didn't act like a lace doily, etc. It got really weird there for a while - I mean, apparently sane people believing Hillary was having people in the White House killed... Of course, this was roughly the same time different apparently sane people believed Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed, so I guess it was just in the air. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:44:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama - -----Original Message----- >From: lep >Sent: Feb 5, 2008 12:15 PM >To: "a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil!" >Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama > >Jeff Dwarf says: >> Rex wrote: >> > Tom asked why Hillary is so intensely >> > disliked, and nobody took him up on it... presumably because it's >> > all unreasoning hatred, but from whence does it spring? >> >> Bill Maher has said repeatedly that hating Hillary mostly says more >> about the person hating than her. That said, I think a lot of it >> comes down to plain old misogyny -- she has always been >> unapologetically ambitious and wonky, which fed this fantasy that she >> "obviously" was (a) a lesbian and (b) only married Bill to ride his >> coattails to the White House (nevermind that they were too young for >> her to possibly know that would happen -- it's not like finding a >> smooth-talking law student who thinks he's going to be President >> someday is that hard). The thing is that, in the aftermath of >> Monica-gate, when she really had no politcally motivated reason to >> stick with the guy -- after all, the 6 people who would actually hold >> divorcing Bill against her will never vote for her anyways -- SHE >> FORGAVE HIM, which shows that she probably actually loves the >> jackass. Throw in that she became a Democrat after growing up in a >> Republican family, and that she was a staffer on the Watergate >> investigative committee, .... > >i'm not one to attribute much to misogyny, but i'm with jeff on this >one. i've always found the intense dislike of hillary and, to a >lesser extent, bill clinton, to be strong enough that i feel like >there's some irrationality behind it. hillary never knew her place >(or so that's what the haters seemed to say), and it bothered folks >enough that they even went so far to hate her husband for it as well >(because, if he was any sort of a man, she *would* know her place, so >ultimately, the fault lies with mr. clinton (which is some sort of >once-removed, but even more ignorant and frightening kind of >female-hating.)) > My sister, an card-carrying lefty, is intensly anti-Hillary. I have asked her to explain it and she says that she doesn't trust that Hillary is anything but a Republican in Democrat clothing. She also says she doesn't like the idea of political dynastys. She doesn't want a Clinton in the White House because we've been there and done that. While I agree with my sister on these points, I don't dislike Hillary like she does. I have a healthy respect for ambition and Hillary is nothing if not ambitous. But if she is nominated, I'll back her and support her as best I can. Whereas I am not sure how my sister will vote if Hillary is nominated. I could see my sister possibly voting against Hillary with the disdain she has of her. It's strange and definitely irrational, but not misogynist. It's something other than that - something to do with both Hillary and Bill. Like they are both sleasy or something. I don't understand it either. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:54:05 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama - -- Carrie Galbraith is rumored to have mumbled on 4. Februar 2008 16:35:11 -0800 regarding Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama: > Ah, we're back to this! When the rating system was introduced, '94 I > think, the industry was in an uproar over the proposed censorship of > their product by the government. It was quite the fray. In the end, the > games companies decided that self-regulation was a smarter move. That's > when we began submitting games to be rated to a 3rd party game-rating > body which was developed by the games companies themselves. All the > companies I worked for then voluntarily had their games rated. > > I know there is a new rating system out there now, although I've been out > of that industry for a few years. Seems to me that should be enough and > this new hew and cry is just ridiculous. Besides, we used to be able to > slip Easter Eggs in to all our games and still get a decent rating. ;-P - > c, who just interviewed for a job in, yes, the games industry... Cool. If you care to share, I'd be interested in more details. Your life sounds way more exciting than mine, so I'd enjoy living vicariously ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:24:20 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: American tunes One more: "4th Of July" by Dave Alvin (X's version is good too) - -tc On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:49 PM, hwycdrrev@aol.com wrote: > Leonard Cohen > DEMOCRACY > (is coming to the USA) > > > > In a message dated 2/2/2008 11:39:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tclark@mac.com writes: > > I meant to tell Melissa over lunch a few weeks ago: > "America - Fuck Yeah!" from the "Team America" soundtrack. > > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:37:05 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 2:44 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > > My sister, an card-carrying lefty, is intensly anti-Hillary. I have asked > her to explain it and she says that she doesn't trust that Hillary is > anything but a Republican in Democrat clothing. She also says she doesn't > like the idea of political dynastys. She doesn't want a Clinton in the White > House because we've been there and done that. > > While I agree with my sister on these points, I don't dislike Hillary like > she does. I have a healthy respect for ambition and Hillary is nothing if > not ambitous. But if she is nominated, I'll back her and support her as best > I can. Whereas I am not sure how my sister will vote if Hillary is > nominated. I could see my sister possibly voting against Hillary with the > disdain she has of her. It's strange and definitely irrational, but not > misogynist. It's something other than that - something to do with both > Hillary and Bill. Like they are both sleasy or something. I don't understand > it either. To generalize, anti-Hillary sentiment on the left (and for that matter, anti-Bill sentiment there) isn't the same as it is on the right. I think the left tends to see both Clintons, to varying degrees, as using vaguely liberal appeals to mount essentially center-right policy - much like your sister says, DINOs. But left-wing dislike of the Clintons tends not to have that weirdly visceral, exaggerated heft that would, as I mentioned, allow people to actually believe, utterly sans evidence, that either or both are capable of setting up mob-style hits on people. I think the closest counterpart on the left is the hatred it has for Dick Cheney - you know, jokes about eating babies and puppies, etc. Except, you know, funny cuz they're true. Cheney really does seem like an asshole - but I've yet to hear anyone claim that he has, say, tried to have Kevin Phillips murdered for betrayal or something. There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but the batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies do. I mean, say what you will about Michael Moore - he's clearly got a tighter grip on reality than Ann Coulter does, and he's never said anything as obnoxious, even humorously, as that the NY Times building should've been hit on 9/11. > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:02:12 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 12:30 PM, 2fs wrote: > > It got really weird there for a while - I mean, apparently sane people > believing Hillary was having people in the White House killed... Well, those people didn't appear sane any more after they started believing that. > > > Of course, this was roughly the same time different apparently sane people > believed Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed, so I guess it was just in > the > air. > Also the OJ era, not far removed from Tonya Harding, etc. In restrospect the tenor of those times seems pretty coked up, which is odd, since cocaine was such a n '80's thing. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:02:26 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: American tunes - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tom Clark Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:24 PM To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: American tunes >One more: "4th Of July" by Dave Alvin (X's version is good too) So is Aimee Mann's from her 1993 solo album debut, Whatever. It was previously going to be on the 4th 'Til Tuesday album, recorded with the 1991 TT line-up of Jon Brion, Buddy Judge, and mainstays Michael Hausemann and Aimee. The album got scrapped due to label problems, and TT imploded the following year. Most of the songs from Whatever were originally from the aborted last TT album. Michael B. - -tc On Feb 2, 2008, at 10:49 PM, hwycdrrev@aol.com wrote: >> Leonard Cohen >> DEMOCRACY >> (is coming to the USA) >> >> >> >> In a message dated 2/2/2008 11:39:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> tclark@mac.com writes: >> >> I meant to tell Melissa over lunch a few weeks ago: >> "America - Fuck Yeah!" from the "Team America" soundtrack. >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. >> (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0 >> 03000000025 >> 48) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:04:54 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama - -----Original Message----- >From: 2fs >There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but the >batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies do. I >mean, say what you will about Michael Moore - he's clearly got a tighter >grip on reality than Ann Coulter does, and he's never said anything as >obnoxious, even humorously, as that the NY Times building should've been hit >on 9/11. Is Michael Moore a batshit lefty? I think of him as a Progressive, same as me. Course in the 70's we were called "Radicals." I was always proud to wear that moniker. The really insane batshit lefties are too busy worrying about Chemtrails, Project MKUltra, Alien cover-ups at Area 51 and shape-shifting lizard aliens in the British royal family to get much press. ;-P - - c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:11:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 4:02 PM, Rex wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2008 12:30 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > > > It got really weird there for a while - I mean, apparently sane people > > believing Hillary was having people in the White House killed... > > > Well, those people didn't appear sane any more after they started > believing that. > > > > > > > Of course, this was roughly the same time different apparently sane > > people > > believed Courtney Love had Kurt Cobain killed, so I guess it was just in > > the > > air. > > > Also the OJ era, not far removed from Tonya Harding, etc. In restrospect > the tenor of those times seems pretty coked up, which is odd, since cocaine > was such a n '80's thing. > 'Course, Tonya H. actually did whack whatsername's knees...and OJ - well, you know how he's dedicated the rest of his life to finding the "real killer" - he swears if he ever sees the guy, he'll turn him in. Oddly, OJ's deathly afraid of his own reflection these days... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:15:05 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: American tunes On Feb 5, 2008 4:02 PM, Bachman, Michael wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Clark > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:24 PM > To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org > Subject: Re: American tunes > > >One more: "4th Of July" by Dave Alvin (X's version is good too) > > So is Aimee Mann's from her 1993 solo album debut, Whatever. Agreed - but the Dave Alvin and X songs are the same song, different versions. Aimee Mann's version is a different song, same title. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:19:09 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 12:44 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > > My sister, an card-carrying lefty, is intensly anti-Hillary. I have asked > her to explain it and she says that she doesn't trust that Hillary is > anything but a Republican in Democrat clothing. My friends and I spent the Clinton administration bitching about what a letdown it was (from "don't ask don't tell" onwards) and how Clinton "liberalism" was about as far left in the overall scheme of things as Nixon had been. I voted Nader against Bill's second term and Gore's abysmal campaign* because I felt like the left was disappearing. But far from coming out of it all bitter against the Clintons, I have more of a feeling that we just didn't know how good we had it under Clinton, and boy have the last seven years underlined that. So on the one hand, instead of seeing the Clintons as my bitter exes, I kinda feel like *I* was the jerk in that relationship, and welcome the chance to make ammends. And it's also the letdown of the early days of Bill Clinton that make me a little less confident that Obama in practice would deliver be as much of a change as his most ardent boosters hope. How do I get one of those "lefty cards"? PS, my ballot is already contested... well, not mine per se, but the ballot of that independent dude next to me trying to vote in the Democratic race. - -Rex *Gore has of course basically redeemed himself, but that campaign sucked out loud and shouldn't even have been close enough for W. to steal it. I like to think Gore learned from it, and I still don't regret that vote, which, having been cast as it was in California, aided W. not a whit. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:22:55 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: American tunes On Feb 5, 2008 2:15 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > Agreed - but the Dave Alvin and X songs are the same song, different > versions. Aimee Mann's version is a different song, same title. See also Galaxie 500. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:27:35 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Holy Fucking Mackerel! never though i'd say this about a robyn hitchcock show again, but, this 1/25 show is just absolutely phenomenal. the first of the *Trains* shows that i've listened to. also, can i ask for a pvr recommendation? been searching high and low for something that: - -- is not tied to a subscription service. - -- can accept a coax input, along with s-video and the other usuals. - -- can encode in mpeg 2. - -- can accept both pal and ntsc signals. - -- is silent when powered off, and relatively quiet when powered on. - -- doesn't use any kind of copy-protection crap. - -- can transfer files back-and-forth via usb 2.0. is the closest thing i've been able to find; although i don't need it to play discs or have a removable hard-drive (also, prefer, for obvious reasons, to not pay in euros). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:37:49 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On Feb 5, 2008 2:11 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > 'Course, Tonya H. actually did whack whatsername's knees...and OJ - well, > you know how he's dedicated the rest of his life to finding the "real > killer" - Yeah, I think those kind of things made people a bit more credulous than they should've been about a lot of things. It was kind of the beginning of tabloid/Springer culture. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:42:02 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Ralph! On Feb 5, 2008 12:25 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > Hillary, who will get us out of there.> > > that's not true, rex. i mean, the occupation might become so > logistically/militarily untenable that the next administration will be > forced to withdraw. but neither obama nor clinton will do so voluntarily. > Just trying to keep up here, and guaranteed "tone-free"... do you make this statement just assuming that their campaign promises of withdrawal from Iraq are disingenuous? Or on the logistical nightmare that such a withdrawal would be? Or am I missing some obvious cold hard fact that would prevent a Democratic president from initiating a withdrawal? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:11:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Holy Fucking Mackerel! On Feb 5, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Stacked Crooked wrote: > never though i'd say this about a robyn hitchcock show again, but, > this > 1/25 show is just absolutely phenomenal. the first of the *Trains* > shows > that i've listened to. Agreed. Was I right about the trumpet solo or what? > also, can i ask for a pvr recommendation? been searching high and > low for > something that: You can get most of this with a DVD-recorder. You are limited to a "disc" size of a recordable DVD, unless you get one with a built in HD (Toshiba makes a few). > -- is not tied to a subscription service. Check. > > -- can accept a coax input, along with s-video and the other usuals. Check. > > -- can encode in mpeg 2. Check. > > -- can accept both pal and ntsc signals. Dunno. > > -- is silent when powered off, and relatively quiet when powered on. Check. > > -- doesn't use any kind of copy-protection crap. Check. > > -- can transfer files back-and-forth via usb 2.0. You can just "sneaker net" the disc to your computer. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:18:29 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama On 2/5/08, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > >From: 2fs > > >There probably are batshit insane lefties out there, of course - but the > >batshit lefties don't get the media coverage the right-wing crazies do. I > >mean, say what you will about Michael Moore - he's clearly got a tighter > >grip on reality than Ann Coulter does, and he's never said anything as > >obnoxious, even humorously, as that the NY Times building should've been > hit > >on 9/11. > > Is Michael Moore a batshit lefty? No, I don't think he is - though he doesn't always help his cause and is prone to play to the cheap seats for a laugh (or at least, was: his last two features have been noticeably more sober). But you know, a lot of people do. I think of him as a Progressive, same as me. Course in the 70's we were > called "Radicals." I was always proud to wear that moniker. Problem with "radical" to me is it's always seemed sort of self-congratulatory. I have a friend who, really, isn't all that far left...but she loves loves loves to wear her RADICAL TEACHER t-shirt. Maybe it's just her - there's a lot of things about her that are sort of self-congratulatory (from a weird insecurity), but...I dunno. There's also the fact that I definitely don't want to be confused with folks who think blowing people up is a good idea. The really insane batshit lefties are too busy worrying about Chemtrails, > Project MKUltra, Alien cover-ups at Area 51 and shape-shifting lizard aliens > in the British royal family to get much press. ;-P Well, the last one is I suppose arguably "left" (curiously, a friend of mine was just talking about David Icke the other day...) - but I'm not sure Area 51 is left or right, and MKUltra is fairly reality-based, actually. I don't know that much about the wacko "chemtrails" folks...but from what I have seen, it alsmost seems kinda bipartisan nutjob...sorta like the 9/11 "truthers," some of whom are "left" insofar as they see it all as a Bush/Cheney plot, others of whom are "right" insofar as they see it as the overweening state against the individual blah-blah-blah Neal Peart blah-blah-blah weird naked guy on a brain blah-blah-blah. (Now how did that get there?) Still: Naked Guy on a Brain. Did everyone see this? < http://www.avclub.com/content/feature/decorate_thine_facade_with> (I wonder if the Rush Naked Guy ever got together with the Yes Naked Guy...?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:01:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Reap ("Who the Fuck do you think you are?" division) Sexy Sadie, erm, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080205/ap_on_re_eu/obit_maharishi_mahesh_yogi "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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