From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #476 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 1 2008 Volume 16 : Number 476 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: song request [Rex ] Re: on not inhaling [Rex ] Re: yet another iTunes WTF [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: American tunes [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: puppet Spike (0% Buffy/Spike content) [Michael Sweeney ] Re: Another quick Feg survey [Brian Hoare ] Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! [craigie* ] Re: American tunes [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle [kevin ] Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! [kevin ] Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama [The Great Quail ] Re: yet another iTunes WTF [Rex ] Re: Another quick Feg survey [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:41:58 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: song request On Jan 31, 2008 5:09 PM, Melissa Higuchi wrote: > fegs, > I'm collecting suggestions for any songs that might work with this year's > Burning Man theme - American Dream. any suggestions would be appreciated - > esp as the list has a mich wider and deeper appreciation of music than > many of the folks in the camp. basically we'd do anything to avoid having > to hear ring of fire over and over again. > Well, there's always "American Dream" by Crosby, Stills, Nash, and That One Guy Who's Good. Further to the Kristin Hersh mentions today, "America (She Can't Say No)" by Throwing Muses. If I really ran a search on "America" in iTunes, I could probably generate a box set's worth of horrifying selections and mail them to you. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:56:02 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: on not inhaling On Jan 31, 2008 8:53 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > I don't like that either, but I prefer it to either McCain or Romney. > > > - c, who was for Edwards but I guess that's not gonna happen > > I was still going back and forth between Edwards and Obama until > Edwards pulled out; I've never considered Clinton in the primary, > though I guess I'll be voting for her in November. Man, a lot of my acquaintances have outed themselves as Edwards people over the past week. The last question at that debate tonight... they finally asked it, and neither party said "no" outright... but even proposing the joint ticket brought down the roof of the fucking Kodak Theatre. Wife and I were ecstatic it's been proposed, and hoping that nobody will stop talking about it until it happens. We both had the same thought... Hillary and Barrack could be the fucking *Beatles*, it's that good of an idea, McCain scares the piss out of me. Srsly. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:55:16 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: yet another iTunes WTF >On Jan 31, 2008 4:05 PM, ><grutness@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > >well, there was a smiley, but think about it. Whereabouts is "Eight >days a week" in your song collection? Is it under "8", at the end of >the alphabetical list, or under E? What about "52 stations"? >Shouldn't that be alphabetically under F? > >Ah. Depends on how the artist (or typesetter/graphic designer) >chose to write the title. On the former song, after downloading the >digital-only "Decay", I noticed that it seemed to appear in >differently in different incarnations in my collection, both as "52 >Stations" and "Fifty-Two Stations". I am generally with Jeff N. in >loathing the confusion between titles and typography, esp. re. band >names, but in the destinction between numeral and word, I think we >have to go with what's written down on the track list, assuming it's >the artist's intention until proven otherwise (that is, U >should leave Prince song titles B). Yes, sometimes the post-artist >powers, label execs, and designers might get it wrong, but I assume >that usually a choice has been made. Everyone I know who writes >songs can tell you right away the exact spelling of their song >titles, including this very issue of numerals (it's "Pushing Forty", >or "Dr. I'm Healthy" as opposed to any alternatives). Maybe some >don't care, but I'd guess most do. That's an interesting point. With my own songs, there are some I don't care about the exact spelling, others I do. Seems to vary on a case-by-case basis. On "Partial Rapture theory" there are tracks called "4J" - not "Four J" or "For J" or, in the original pun, "Forget" pronounced as in French - and "Outram no. 1", not "Outram #1", but I've also written "Big place"/"The big place", and "St. Leonards"/"Saint Leonards". >Oh wait - actual example: Grant Hart's "2541." Until you hear the >song, you have no idea whether the numeral in question is a year (as >if it's a science-fiction song), a number ('two thousand five >hundred forty-one"), or - as it turns out to be - an address. except, of course, that the year would also be twentyfive-fourtyone, in the same way 1984 isn't one thousand nine hundred and eighty-four in everyday speech. Great song, BTW (2541, that is) - Robert Forster's cover of it isn't bad either, but the single mix of Grant hart;'s original is best of all. - --- > >Wait... what's the word for things that are not good, but happened in a > >strangely coincidental way? I had a made-up word for it the other day, > >but can't think of it now. > >Synchronicity > > > >I think a lot of Police fans (or "The Police fans") would disagree >that that's necessarily not good... Parts of it aren't exactly brilliant. Heard "Mother" lately? James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:30:29 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: American tunes >I'm collecting suggestions for any songs that might work with this year's >Burning Man theme - American Dream. any suggestions would be appreciated - >esp as the list has a mich wider and deeper appreciation of music than >many of the folks in the camp. basically we'd do anything to avoid having >to hear ring of fire over and over again. > >already suggested >American Woman >American Music - Violent Femmes >America - Rammstein >and of course Robyn's america By coincidence I'm currently listening to Steppenwolf's "Monster", which would fit nicely. Other than that, U2's Bullet the blue sky would possibly fit. Or just about anything by The Band. My collection seems to have the following tracks with "America" or "USA" in the title somewhere, not that all (or any?) of these would fit the theme... (note - this is way incomplete - I gave up cataloguing individual songs a couple of years back). The most likely to fit the theme as I understand it I've marked with an asterisk: All the way from America - Joan Armatrading* America - Bilders America - Robyn Hitchcock America - Shona Laing America - Simon and Garfunkel* America - Stiltskin America - The Nice America is waiting - Byrne and Eno* America's great national pastime - The Byrds* American dream - Netherworld Dancing Toys American Dreaming - Dead Can Dance American girl - Tom Petty* American pie - Don MacLean American roulette - Robbie Robertson American sailors - Triffids American tune - Paul Simon* American without tears - Elvis Costello Back in the USA - Chuck Berry* Big in America - The Stranglers* Born in the USA - Bruce Springsteen Breakfast in America - Supertramp* Courtship of America - Hunters and Collectors Crawling to the USA - Elvis Costello Discover America - Penguin Cafe Orchestra Elvis ate America - Passengers Elvis Presley and America - U2 God loves America - The Swans Gone to America - Steeleye Span Help save the youth of America - Billy Bragg Hymn (for America) - the Mission I can speak American - Screaming Blue Messiahs* I'm afraid of Americans - David Bowie Letter from America - The Proclaimers Little America - REM Mind of an American - Hunters and Collectors Miss America - Blur Miss America - Porcelain Bus Mr. America - Russell Morris Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys The American lite - Julian Cope The body of an American - The Pogues Theme for an American TV show - The Residents Tintin in America - Lifesize Playdoh Monsters Young Americans - David Bowie* James PS: Stewart: "but coriander = cilantro." Thank you. I wondered what everyone was talking about. PPS: > > - c, who was for Edwards but I guess that's not gonna happen > >I was still going back and forth between Edwards and Obama until >Edwards pulled out; I've never considered Clinton in the primary, >though I guess I'll be voting for her in November. I note that Edwards hasn't put his weight firmly behind either Clinton or Obama - keeping his vice presidency options open, perhaps? - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:40:54 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: puppet Spike (0% Buffy/Spike content) Jeme wrote: >I think I meant that first question as both rhetorical and genuine. I mean, I don't understand what a person gets out of a thing like Buffy or Angel if they're really moved to wish the best for the characters. I don't know what those people think the show is or why it exists and I certainly don't see what they can enjoy about it. The shows concern themselves largely with the suffering of good people. If you want there to be less suffering, shouldn't you be watching an entirely different kind of show?< I have a similar "argument" with a habit of my GF's (internally, at least; I am smartly self-preservational enough to at least keep most of this to myself, most times). While we watch police-procedural-type fictional shows (various "Law & Order"s, even "24"), she likes to speculate, jump ahead, and try to guess at "solving" the case depicted on the show. I, on the other hand, prefer to leave the entertainment and the "writing" to the (other) professionals involved. I just want to watch the story unfold. Good or bad, it survives / thrives on its own merits -- not whether I can come up wth a solution before the TV dicks do. Heck, if I wanted to write / dream / guess a story, I'd do that (and, of course, in my professional capacity HAVE done that (although not, of course, for TV))... ...But, of course, to say something like "Ssh -- I'm trying to watch this" over a little well-meant attempted armchair sleuthing would just be rude...and I haven't survived and prospered through 15 years and counting with the same woman by making a habit of being dismissively rude... Michael "Although, like her, as we watch '24,' I do always question why the hell someone is always trying to attack LA (rather than NY, Washington; heck, even Chicago or Boston once in awhile)" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:52:15 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: American tunes not sure these fit : lucinda williams - american dream willie nelson - heartland *see lyrics _http://www.lyricsdepot.com/willie-nelson/heartland.html_ (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/willie-nelson/heartland.html) including : My American dream fell apart at the seams You tell me what it means you tell me what it means steve miller - living in the USA the clash - bored with the USA In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:30:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, grutness@slingshot.co.nz writes: All the way from America - Joan Armatrading* America - Bilders America - Robyn Hitchcock America - Shona Laing America - Simon and Garfunkel* America - Stiltskin America - The Nice America is waiting - Byrne and Eno* America's great national pastime - The Byrds* American dream - Netherworld Dancing Toys American Dreaming - Dead Can Dance American girl - Tom Petty* American pie - Don MacLean American roulette - Robbie Robertson American sailors - Triffids American tune - Paul Simon* American without tears - Elvis Costello Back in the USA - Chuck Berry* Big in America - The Stranglers* Born in the USA - Bruce Springsteen Breakfast in America - Supertramp* Courtship of America - Hunters and Collectors Crawling to the USA - Elvis Costello Discover America - Penguin Cafe Orchestra Elvis ate America - Passengers Elvis Presley and America - U2 God loves America - The Swans Gone to America - Steeleye Span Help save the youth of America - Billy Bragg Hymn (for America) - the Mission I can speak American - Screaming Blue Messiahs* I'm afraid of Americans - David Bowie Letter from America - The Proclaimers Little America - REM Mind of an American - Hunters and Collectors Miss America - Blur Miss America - Porcelain Bus Mr. America - Russell Morris Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys The American lite - Julian Cope The body of an American - The Pogues Theme for an American TV show - The Residents Tintin in America - Lifesize Playdoh Monsters Young Americans - David Bowie* **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:06:17 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: tying the loos threads Isn't 'phoenix' also a plural form, like 'sheep' ? ow. my brain hurts. c* On 01/02/2008, 2fs wrote: > > On 1/31/08, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > > > > >Wait... what's the word for things that are not good, but happened in a > > >strangely coincidental way? I had a made-up word for it the other day, > > >but can't think of it now. > > > > Synchronicity > > > > I think a lot of Police fans (or "The Police fans") would disagree that > that's necessarily not good... > > > > > > > Hasn't really started happening in NZ yet, though the country's > > best-known club soccer team is the Wellington Phoenix. Not even sure > > I know how that should be pluralised. > > > "Phoenices"? > > Oh wait - that's that band with the Boston guy with the beard - the > Phoenices Brothers. > > ---------------- > Now playing: Pink Floyd - Vegetable > Man > > -- > > ...Jeff Norman > > The Architectural Dance Society > http://spanghew.blogspot.com > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:13:35 +0000 From: Brian Hoare Subject: Re: Another quick Feg survey > From: lep > Brian says:> > 2 and 4 are too mainstream. I'd go for 15 : Triangular, the magic constant of the smallest magic square, and the first product of two odd primes*> >> > 26 is only interesting in that it is the smallest non-palindromic number whose square is palindromic and that it is equal to the sum of the digits of its cube.> > i fall in love so easily. Sadly I must confess that the stuff on 26 is courtesy of David Well's Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Numbers [ yes, it is presented in ascending numerical order ]. I keep a copy between Cundy & Rollet's Mathematical Models and a pair of Martin Gardner books. Save your heart for the man who would not forget that 15 is a member of the set of 2^n-1 which are usually pleasant numbers and important for being a sequence of 1's in binary. However its neighbours 7 and 31 are more appealing. Also belongs to 2^n^n-1 and 2^2^2... -1. cheers, Brian _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:18:15 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! On 01/02/2008, 2fs wrote: > > > that said, my favorite version of "Hurt" is the > one my friend Steve sent me, where it was worked into a medley of > Christmas > songs retrofitted with NIN lyrics. "Hurt" was done to the tune of "Little > Drummer Boy," sung by a guy who sounded kinda like TMBG's "aren't you the > guy that hit me in the eye?" part of "Fingertips"..."I hurt myself today, > pah-rumpa-pum-pum..." It's what Trent deserves - being turned into a > comedy > Christmas number. Must. hear. this. send me a link, please! or send me the mp3... I'm not fussy... no. really. not fussy. c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 01:49:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: American tunes grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > PS: > Stewart: "but coriander = cilantro." Thank you. I wondered what > everyone was talking about. Coriander=dried seeds; cilantro=fresh leaves. At least in the US these days, in part because the leaves are more commonly used in Mexican/Central American food, and that's the Spanish name. > I note that Edwards hasn't put his weight firmly behind either > Clinton or Obama - keeping his vice presidency options open, > perhaps? He says no. He already did that in 2004 and I kinda suspect that it's one thing to run for and be President while Elizabeth is ill, but for only Vice President, fuggedaboutit. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:18:03 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle >> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2004154856_deadclub >> s31.html Didn't the Crocodile Cafe belong to Peter Buck, or his wife? If so, why would they sell it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:25:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Fwd: New Pornographers Early Ticket Offer - --On 31. Januar 2008 20:47:58 -0600 Steve Schiavo wrote: > Information should be free, I guess. Just don't everybody buy up JeFF's > tickets to the Madison show. Now I'm curious: Is it actually hard to get tickets for their shows in North America? Because as I mentioned a few weeks back, the show here in Cologne was in a tiny club and it wasn't sold out by a long shot. If I had to guess I'd say there were 100 people there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:13:18 +0000 From: michaeljbachman@comcast.net Subject: Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! - -------------- Original message -------------- From: Michael Sweeney > Jeff wrote: > > > >(It's okay - for my money, Clapton's version of "Little Wing" has it all > overHendrix's - or at least, it transforms it so utterly that it's nearly > adifferent song. I still like Hendrix's original...but I think of them > nearlyas two different songs that happen to share words and chords.)< > > > ...I'm with you there, totally, brother...(I even like the also-different > version by Sting...) > > > Michael "Not meaning to only be responding to Jeff's posts; it's just turning > out that way..." Sweeney If your thinking about the version on Layla and Other Assorted Love songs, that is Duane Allman playing most of the lead guitar parts on the Derek and the Dominoes version of "Little Wing". Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:24:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: American tunes - -----Original Message----- >From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com >Sent: Jan 31, 2008 11:52 PM >To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org >Subject: Re: American tunes > >not sure these fit : > >lucinda williams - american dream >willie nelson - heartland *see lyrics >_http://www.lyricsdepot.com/willie-nelson/heartland.html_ (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/willie-nelson/heartland.html) > including : My American dream fell apart at the seams >You tell me what it means you tell me what it means >steve miller - living in the USA >the clash - bored with the USA Now I think of it, I've always had a sneaking fondness for Mellencamp's "Little Pink Houses." And the Steve Miller tune would sound great at extreme volume over a big-ass PA out in the middle of the desert... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:31:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle They divorced, she kept it, the neighborhood's getting ever more expensive, there were money problems, R.I.P. Too bad, too, they used to make a mean bleu cheese & bacon burger. Not to mention it was the site of my first RH show which remains one of my favorite concerts ev-ah. It was a nice room but you can't maintain a property in downtown Seattle any more that isn't generating revenue by the buttload. It's called progress. - -----Original Message----- >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >Sent: Feb 1, 2008 3:18 AM >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle > >>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2004154856_deadclub >>> s31.html > >Didn't the Crocodile Cafe belong to Peter Buck, or his wife? If so, why >would they sell it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 04:37:51 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! >If your thinking about the version on Layla and Other Assorted Love songs, that is Duane Allman playing most of the lead guitar parts on the Derek and the Dominoes version of "Little Wing". >Michael B. And in the process creating pretty much the definitive reading. Give it up for the Dominos. And somebody explain how after they fell apart Jim Gordon wound up playing for Frank Zappa during his more-or-less-straight jazz period...? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:53:27 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Another obit: R.I.P. Seattle - --On 1. Februar 2008 04:31:57 -0800 kevin wrote: > They divorced Huh, I must've missed or forgotten that. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:10:04 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: puppet Spike >Furthermore it, like Lost, has no overall theme and is simply a string of >made-up events with no particular goal or message. IMHO the theme of Battlestar Galactica, and Lost to a certain extent, is about how your secrets destroy you. In fact, if I have to find something bad to say about the show, I might agree that the writers occasionally appear to run out of secrets, and have to go back and make up some new ones. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:57:29 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: puppet Spike But, on another tack entirely... http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/who_should_buffy_choose excuse me, after reading this I have to go wash... c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:36:32 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Now THIS is fucking cool! well- it got even worse for gordon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Gordon_%28musician%29 Retirement and incarceration In the late 1970s, Gordon complained of hearing voices in his head. He was later diagnosed with acute paranoid schizophrenia, which had been worsened by a cocaine addiction. By 1981, this situation ended his music career. On 3 June 1983, Gordon bludgeoned his mother with a hammer and then stabbed her to death with a butcher's knife. In May 1984 he was sentenced to sixteen years to life in prison. He has served his sentence at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, Atascadero State Hospital in Atascadero, and the State Medical Corrections Facility in Vacaville. He is still incarcerated. In a message dated 2/1/2008 7:48:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net writes: And in the process creating pretty much the definitive reading. Give it up for the Dominos. And somebody explain how after they fell apart Jim Gordon wound up playing for Frank Zappa during his more-or-less-straight jazz period...? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:22:53 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: On Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama > . Hillary and Barrack > could be the fucking *Beatles*, it's that good of an idea, I understand where you are coming from, Rex, but I think this idea of a "dream ticket" overlooks two important issues. First, neither candidate has any desire to be stuck in the role of vice-president, which would result constant tension. Imagine yourself as either Obama or Clinton -- how much trust could you really put in your XO? Granted, they are in 95% agreement on almost everything, but there is a very large issues of ego here. More importantly, it overlooks the fact that Hillary Clinton is such a polarizing and divisive figure -- even among many Democrats, let alone Independents and moderate Republicans. I think that adding Obama to Clinton's ticket would only help her, and maybe even secure a November victory. Whereas adding Clinton to Obama's ticket would be like adding cilantro to an already appealing but somewhat exotic dish -- some would certainly do back flips; but others would push back the plate and order the McCainburger. I speak from the heart of New York City, where I am surrounded by Obama supporters. And I can tell you this -- no one I talk to even *likes* Clinton, and a few have even confessed that they'd pull the lever for McCain over Clinton. This is a real issue. Even my die-hard pro-Bush pro-McCain semi-racist parents like Obama more than Clinton; and would rather see Obama as president than Hillary. I firmly believe this -- Clinton is a brilliant woman and a consummate politician. But if the democrats nominate her against McCain, they are, once again, committing national suicide. Just talk to any Republican and see who they'd rather run against -- there's a reason they fear Obama and praise Clinton. - --Quail PS: As if it weren't clear where I stand... I was an Al Gore hopeful, but when I realized he was content to let history pass him by, I became a pretty serious Obama supporter. I dislike Hillary Clinton for numerous reasons, from her generationally ignorant PMRC-like stance against video games to her political hypocrisy over Iraq and labor unions to her Tracy Flickesque aura of entitlement. If Clinton is nominated, I will still vote for her, but with even more disgust and dismay than I had when I pulled the lever for Dukakis and Kerry. I think Andrew Sullivan captures a lot of my mood in this well-traveled piece: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:33:00 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: yet another iTunes WTF On Jan 31, 2008 10:55 PM, wrote: > > except, of course, that the year would also be twentyfive-fourtyone, > in the same way 1984 isn't one thousand nine hundred and eighty-four > in everyday speech. Great song, BTW (2541, that is) - Robert > Forster's cover of it isn't bad either, but the single mix of Grant > hart;'s original is best of all. > Yes on all counts. One of those songs that you recognize as perfect the first time you hear it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:35:37 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Another quick Feg survey On Feb 1, 2008 1:13 AM, Brian Hoare wrote: > > From: lep > Brian says:> > > 2 > and 4 are too mainstream. I'd go for 15 : Triangular, the magic constant > of > the smallest magic square, and the first product of two odd primes*> >> > > 26 > is only interesting in that it is the smallest non-palindromic number > whose > square is palindromic and that it is equal to the sum of the digits of its > cube.> > i fall in love so easily. > > Sadly I must confess that the stuff on 26 is courtesy of David Well's > Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Numbers [ yes, it is presented in > ascending numerical order ]. I keep a copy between Cundy & Rollet's > Mathematical Models and a pair of Martin Gardner books. > > Save your heart for the man who would not forget that 15 is a member of > the > set of 2^n-1 which are usually pleasant numbers and important for being a > sequence of 1's in binary. However its neighbours 7 and 31 are more > appealing. > Also belongs to 2^n^n-1 and 2^2^2... -1. > Gawd, get a room already, you two! (smiley emoticon here if I used them) - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #476 ********************************