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fegmaniax-digest      Thursday, January 24 2008      Volume 16 : Number 463



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Re: The Butt-Doctor and the Damage Done   [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already  ["Stacked Crooked" ]
  Re: Heath Ledger - REAP??       [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>]
  Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already  [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j]
  Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already  [lep <softboygirl@g]
  Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already  [Rex <spottedeagler]
  Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already  [Rex <spottedeagler]
  Robyn in this week's Time Out  [Tony Blackman <tony.blackman@iambic.co.uk>]
  one of my students...                       [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already  [Jeff Dwarf <munki1]
  Re: one of my students...  [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.]
  Re: one of my students...                [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: one of my students...                    [craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>]
  Re: one of my students...                     [lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  one for Sebastian                                      [djini@voicenet.com]
  Re: one for Sebastian   [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>]
  Re: Prefects and Mac incarnations                       [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk]
  How "Lowe" can u go?            [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>]
  RE: Prefects and Mac incarnations  ["Bachman, Michael" <Michael.Bachman@fa]
  Re: one of my students...                   [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  Re: one of my students...       [Caroline Smith <caroline@redchocolate.ca>]
  Re: one of my students...  [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.]
  RE: one of my students...  ["Bachman, Michael" <Michael.Bachman@fanucrobot]
  "Born Old" vs. "Forever Young"  [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>]
  Re: How "Lowe" can u go?                                [HwyCDRrev@aol.com]
  Re: "Born Old" vs. "Forever Young"          [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  RE: "Born Old" vs. "Forever Young"  [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.]

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:27:35 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Butt-Doctor and the Damage Done

Another classic subject heading from Eddy.

There sure are a hell of a lot of coyotes around my house.  More than usual,
even.

Got my Shadow Cat!

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:54:09 -0800
From: "Stacked Crooked" <etews@inwa.net>
Subject: Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already

<The Nastasia collab is a different Jim White - the Australian one, who
drums w/The Dirty Three.>

ah!  thanks.  it still does nothing for me, however.


<Also: its actual title is _Transnormal Skiperoo_, at least according to
Google...>

also according to my files' tags!  i'm not surprised at the typo; but am
certainly a bit surprised at having failed to catch it.


<Curious: what's the deal w/you and hyphens? You seem to interpolate them
whenever a noun is used adjectivally...>

i acknowledge my hyphenophilia -- here, now, forever.  i love hyphens
almost as much as i love daydreaming about eb's ding-dong.  am also fond of
dashes, but can't stand the style guides that militate against putting
spaces between the dashes and the words.


<your weird tagging>

i guess you'd rather have terrorists!  seriously, though, i think you'll
find that, once you pop the hood and have a look around, you'll find my
tagging conventions to be far superior to all known others.


<and find the time to actually listen to all that stuff ...>

the impending collapse of industrial civilisation, good and bad: we'll have
a lot more time on our hands, but we'll also have a lot less electricity at
our disposal.  it's all in how you man the gaps, i guess.


<I mean, okay: Ms. Lang can spell her name, for herself, any damned way she
chooses...that doesn't mean I'm bound to follow.>

sure, we've already established that your own personal database is to do
with as you please.  but it's just, in my opinion, common courtesy to, in a
*public* database, go with the author's wishes.  like, if you had a friend,
whom you knew to have been given the name "charles", but suddenly he
decdided he'd prefer to be called "chaz"; would you insist upon the former,
just 'cause it's "part of his social history"?

come to think of it, i do have an acquaintance who, a few years ago,
decided he'd rather be called "richard" that "dick".  i still *think* of
him as "dick", but if he wants to be called "richard", then, "richard" it
is.  certainly no skin off my back; and it seems to make him happy...


<Love that Todd Haynes.>

i love the idea of todd haynes much more than the execution.  did enjoy
*Safe*, though.  and did have a college prof who was a friend of a friend's
of todd's, and so got to see *Superstar* way back when.  ...which, i notice
there's an active torrent for.  will have to give it a spin!

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:04:20 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Heath Ledger - REAP??

Jeff Dwarf wrote:


>I looked at his filmography, and realized that I've never actuallyseen any of
the movies he was in. <


...Me neither...but that WILL definitely be broken as of this summer's "The
Dark Knight" (might actually get around to seeing the Dylan-ish one before
then)...


Michael "But my GF loved him in 'Brokeback' and 'Monster's Ball'..." Sweeney
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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:25:46 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already

On 1/23/08, Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> wrote:
>
> <I mean, okay: Ms. Lang can spell her name, for herself, any damned way
> she
> chooses...that doesn't mean I'm bound to follow.>
>
> sure, we've already established that your own personal database is to do
> with as you please.  but it's just, in my opinion, common courtesy to, in
> a
> *public* database, go with the author's wishes.  like, if you had a
> friend,
> whom you knew to have been given the name "charles", but suddenly he
> decdided he'd prefer to be called "chaz"; would you insist upon the
> former,
> just 'cause it's "part of his social history"?


I think the difference here is between personal and "public."

If I *knew* k.d. lang (to use her spelling for a moment), in any forum
wherein she was likely to run into a reference to her (such as, if she were
sub'd to this list), I'd write it as she preferred. If I were editing a
magazine, I might not.

This has come up directly for me, sorta: many of you have probably heard of
the former weekly music column (in some ways, one of the first blogs) "The
War Against Silence," which ran uninterrupted for nearly ten years (500
columns) until a year or two ago. Its author prefers his name to appear as
"glenn mcdonald" - and since he and I were both subscribed for a number of
years to the Loud Family list, whenever I referred to him on that list, I'd
write his name that way, lower-case. But if I were talking about him, or
about one of his columns, in an e-mail to a friend - or, for that matter, on
this list which, so far as I know, he's not sub'd to - I'd simply write
"Glenn McDonald," because that's his name.

Thing is, sometimes people have a strong preference (he does), while other
times it's just convenience. Another former feg and loudfan I know, Doug
Mayo-Wells, used to lower-case his name...but at one point (if I remember
this correctly), he said he did so primarily because it bothered his wrist
to use the shift key, so most of his e-mails were entirely lower-case. In
his other writings, he uses standard capitalization (although he doesn't
often use his actual name).

So unless someone tells me it's a strong preference (as with Mr.
McDonald/mcdonald), I'm likely to use standard usage.

The most ridiculous one of these that I ran into recently: the guy who used
to be in Timbuk3, Pat MacDonald...now prefers to spell his name Pat
mAcdonald. WTF? I think he's joking - or at least, I hope he's joking.

- -- 

...jEFf noQmaN

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:37:37 -0500
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already

2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> says:
<some stuff and then...>

> The most ridiculous one of these that I ran into recently: the guy who used
> to be in Timbuk3, Pat MacDonald...now prefers to spell his name Pat
> mAcdonald. WTF? I think he's joking - or at least, I hope he's joking.
>
> --
>
> ...jEFf noQmaN

i'm rather with jeff on this one.  i don't want to be too insistent if
it's someone i know, but really, once one strays from the standard
lead caps, i think it's their logo rather than their name.

xo

- -- 
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:39:56 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already

On Jan 23, 2008 11:54 AM, Stacked Crooked <etews@inwa.net> wrote:

>
> i guess you'd rather have terrorists!  seriously, though, i think you'll
> find that, once you pop the hood and have a look around, you'll find my
> tagging conventions to be far superior to all known others.
>
Hell is other people's tagging conventions...

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:49:44 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already

On Jan 23, 2008 3:37 PM, lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> wrote:

> > ...jEFf noQmaN
>
> i'm rather with jeff on this one.  i don't want to be too insistent if
> it's someone i know, but really, once one strays from the standard
> lead caps, i think it's their logo rather than their name.
>
Sometimes people are more sensitive to these things than they need to be.
Lots of times, basically for expedience, I'll sign things with that little
"Rx"-looking prescription symbol.  A few of my friend ended up addressing me
online as "Rx" (and I think my original e-mail address when I appeared on
fegmania was rxbroome@aol.com).  But I actually have never given a shit one
way or t'other.

On the other hand you're well within your rights to be irritated at longtime
friends misspellling your actual name, or thinking you're from someplace
quite other than where you are, etc.  Again, Virginia, West Virginia... two
different states, kids.

Oh, and "Northanger Abbey"... this seris is 0 for 2 so far, eh?

- -Rex

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:14:46 +0000
From: Tony Blackman <tony.blackman@iambic.co.uk>
Subject: Robyn in this week's Time Out

For those of you outside the metropolis of Greater London or perhaps, God
forbid, overseas, here's a scan of an "interview" with Robyn from this
week's Time Out.

http://www.iambic.co.uk/robynhi tchcock

Don't say I never do anything for you!

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:32:40 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: one of my students...

...this semester is named Caleb.

Luckily, he looks nothing like Nathan Fillion.

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:59:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: How far the butt-doctor's arse has spread already

Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the other hand you're well within your rights to be irritated at
> longtime friends misspellling your actual name, or thinking you're
> from someplace quite other than where you are, etc.  Again,
> Virginia, West Virginia... two different states, kids.

Your own kids...wow, that's rough.

"I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer

"The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute
.


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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:34:04 +0100
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

- --On 23. Januar 2008 21:32:40 -0600 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...this semester is named Caleb.

I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?

Isn't Cal (as in Ripken) short for Caleb?
- -- 
Sebastian Hagedorn
http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:28:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
> 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...this semester is named Caleb.
> 
> I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?
> 
> Isn't Cal (as in Ripken) short for Caleb?

I suppose it could be, even though Caleb is pronounced with a long
"a" rather than a short one but it's most commonly short for Calvin.

"I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer

"The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute
.


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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:09:17 +0000
From: craigie* <craigie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

or Calvin

Probably Calvin.

c*

(also lowercase preferred for my name, but i'm not *that* bothered... it's
an homage to e e cummins, really.)


On 24/01/2008, Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
>
> --On 23. Januar 2008 21:32:40 -0600 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...this semester is named Caleb.
>
> I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?
>
> Isn't Cal (as in Ripken) short for Caleb?
> --
> Sebastian Hagedorn
> http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/
>



- -- 
first things first, but not necessarily in that order...

I like my girls to be the same as my records - independent, attractively
packaged and in black vinyl (if at all possible)...

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:10:19 -0500
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

Sebastian <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> says:
> --On 23. Januar 2008 21:32:40 -0600 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...this semester is named Caleb.
>
> I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?
>
> Isn't Cal (as in Ripken) short for Caleb?

it recently appeared in the "top 10 boy names" list that sweeney
posted, but, speaking for myself**, i've never known or made the
acquaintance of a "caleb."

i think an ex- has a nephew named caleb, but it was such an unusual
name that i could never remember it, so i'm not sure.

xo

** as i often do.

- -- 
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:32:55 -0500 (EST)
From: djini@voicenet.com
Subject: one for Sebastian

And any German lurkers...

An old friend, Bet Williams, is touring in Europe starting in February. Her calendar is
here:
http://www.epiphanyrecords.com/calendar.html

She performs in two incarnations, the Bet Williams band, which is mostly straight up
folk/pop, and as the Epiphany Project, which is more dreamy/pretty, with just her
husband accompanying her on piano. I have no idea if any of those shows are anywhere
near you, but she puts on a great live show!

cheers,
Jeanne

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:12:36 +0100
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: one for Sebastian

- --On 18. Januar 2008 14:32:55 -0500 djini@voicenet.com wrote:

> An old friend, Bet Williams, is touring in Europe starting in February.
> Her calendar is here:
> http://www.epiphanyrecords.com/calendar.html

Huh, she's playing in lots of really *tiny* places, and I don't mean the 
venue! There are several cities(?) I'm not sure I've ever heard of.

> She performs in two incarnations, the Bet Williams band, which is mostly
> straight up folk/pop, and as the Epiphany Project, which is more
> dreamy/pretty, with just her husband accompanying her on piano. I have no
> idea if any of those shows are anywhere near you, but she puts on a great
> live show!

Unfortunately she doesn't seem to come to this area at all, even though 
it's the most populous of Germany. It was the same last year, as I see. I'd 
guess that she somehow has contacts in some parts of Germany but not in 
others?

Well, thanks anyway. Maybe you could ask her why and how the places were 
chosen.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:59:59 +0000
From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Prefects and Mac incarnations

> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:14:12 -0500
> From: "SH McCleary" <prodigaldog@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Ford Prefect
> You could GET them in the US. My parents were driving one when I was born.
> Well, not at the exact time.... My dad tells me that some Ford dealers
> actually sold them in the US (back in the day -- 1959). Its name was Percy.
> The steering wheel was bigger than the tires.

* My parents' first car was a black 100E Prefect, in 1958: VUV 415.  
That was the third model of Prefect, the first and second models were  
sit-up-and-beg ones, see: <http://tinyurl.com/2am647>
<http://www.britishmm.co.uk/history.asp?id=365>
Their second car was a pale green Ford Anglia of the Harry Potter  
variety, MMP 926C, of the type shown here: <http://tinyurl.com/yro26n>

> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:29:09 +0000
> From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Mid-Mac (was: Reap)
> Michael Bachman wrote:
>> Kiln House from 1970 had some decent rocking cuts and is the last albumwith
> Jeremy Spencer. I still listen to it once a year. Future Games from1971 was
> pretty tame and is the first one with Christine McVie as a fulltime member.
> Bare Trees from 1972 is a improvement over Future Games andis the last album
> with Danny Kirwin. The 1973-74 albums I never listento anymore.<
>
> I'm pretty familiar with those albums -- and in my opinion (wildly disparate,
> admittedly; with more focus on songs, probably, rather than on purely rocking
> out) I rate "Bare Trees" the highest and '73's "Penguin" as the nadir of that
> post-Green, pre-Buckingham period.  But, it has been a while (OK - MORE than
> awhile; none of these are on CD in my collection) since I listened to them...
>
> Michael "Peter Green, I can see; even Spencer/Kirwan; and of course
> Buckingham/Nicks...but do you think ANYONE's favorite F.Mac   
> incarnation is the one with Dave Mason and Delaney & Bonnie's  
> daughter?       > Uh...no" Sweeney

* I did actually see the Spencer / Kirwan version of the band, and  
very awkward it was, too, with no star in the centre of the stage.  
Consequently I never bought 'Kiln House' or 'Bare Trees'... I never  
even heard of a version with Dave Mason in it: are you sure you're not  
confusing F. Mac with D. and the Dominoes?
Who was it who said that the changing line-ups of F.Mac "made particle  
physics seem easy?"

- - Mike Godwin

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:06:12 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: How "Lowe" can u go?

...Damn -- I had this all reasoned and typed out, but I apparently never sent
it before I shut down last night...let's see if I can reproduce it:

...So, I may be coming late to the party here, but...

Is it just me, or does Spoon's "The Underdog" sound not only so much like Nick
Lowe, but nearly EXACTLY like NL's "So It Goes" (albeit, w/ mariarchi horns
added) to verge into "Ooh, mates, here's a great old song that less than 1/10
of 1% of today's kids will have heard of, so let's 'nick' it [PUN INTENDED]
and pretend we actually wrote it!" territory?

I mean, I used to play that one live and it was certainly fun to quick-strum,
Basher-style, through those changes, and...I know: Oasis/Kravitz/Black
Crowes/etc. and "standing on the shoulders of giants" and all, but...as GOB
would say, "Come on!"


Michael "Speaking of Will Arnett, didja see where he's the new voice of the
new KITT the car in the upcoming continuation/re-imagining of the oh-so-crappy
'Knight Rider'?  How long do you think until he sneaks in a 'Come on, Mike!'
(the lead character's convenient name) as a wink to 'AD' fans?" Sweeney
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:31:51 -0500
From: "Bachman, Michael" <Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com>
Subject: RE: Prefects and Mac incarnations

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On
Behalf Of hssmrg@bath.ac.uk
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:00 AM
To: fegmaniax@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Prefects and Mac incarnations

>> I'm pretty familiar with those albums -- and in my opinion (wildly 
>> disparate, admittedly; with more focus on songs, probably, rather
than 
>> on purely rocking
>> out) I rate "Bare Trees" the highest and '73's "Penguin" as the nadir

>> of that post-Green, pre-Buckingham period.  But, it has been a while 
>> (OK - MORE than awhile; none of these are on CD in my collection)
since I listened to them...
>>
>> Michael "Peter Green, I can see; even Spencer/Kirwan; and of course
>> Buckingham/Nicks...but do you think ANYONE's favorite F.Mac   
>> incarnation is the one with Dave Mason and Delaney & Bonnie's  
>> daughter?       > Uh...no" Sweeney

MG wrote:
>* I did actually see the Spencer / Kirwan version of the band, and very
awkward it was, too, with no star in the centre >of the stage.  
>Consequently I never bought 'Kiln House' or 'Bare Trees'... I never
even heard of a version with Dave Mason in it: 
>are you sure you're not confusing F. Mac with D. and the Dominoes?
>Who was it who said that the changing line-ups of F.Mac "made particle
physics seem easy?"

That would have been sometime from April of 1970 to January 1971 after
Peter Green had left. I saw them in February of 1971 after Jeremy
Spencer was abducted by The Children Of God. Luckily Peter came back to
help the band finish their North American tour so I got to see a strange
version of Fleetwood Mac with Green, Kirwan, McVie, Fleetwood and
Christine Perfect/McVie. I don't remember if Bob Welch was on stage with
them, but he could have been as Future Games was only a few months away
from being released. I remember they did a couple of the Kirwan songs
from Kiln House, "Station Man" and "Tell Me All The Things You Do", as
well as a lot of the non-Spencer songs from 1968-70. I wonder if the
official FM website has set lists from concerts back then? 

Kiln House is worth picking up Mike. Even Jeremy songs are decent,
although "Station Man" is my favorite.

Michael B.

NP Joe Lovano and Hank Jones - Live at Dizzy's Club Coca-Cola

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:00:15 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

On 1/24/08, Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
>
> --On 23. Januar 2008 21:32:40 -0600 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...this semester is named Caleb.
>
> I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?


No...as my Nathan Fillion reference was intended to clarify, I was referring
to Caleb being the name of the creepy preacher guy on the last season of
_Buffy_.

The rest of you, it seems, have a life.

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:14:52 -0500
From: Caroline Smith <caroline@redchocolate.ca>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

On 24-Jan-08, at 9:00 AM, 2fs wrote:
>
>
> No...as my Nathan Fillion reference was intended to clarify, I was  
> referring
> to Caleb being the name of the creepy preacher guy on the last  
> season of
> _Buffy_.
>
> The rest of you, it seems, have a life.
>

A friend named her son Caleb a couple of years ago.
I was wondering how she came up with that name...

Caroline, mother of Juliet

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:18:54 +0100
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: one of my students...

- --On 24. Januar 2008 08:00:15 -0600 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?
>
> No...as my Nathan Fillion reference was intended to clarify, I was
> referring to Caleb being the name of the creepy preacher guy on the last
> season of _Buffy_.

I got that reference!

> The rest of you, it seems, have a life.

No, I don't ... but still: if the name were more common, you wouldn't have 
had the urge to report this incident, would you?
- -- 
b. Sebastian Hagedorn
b	 Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de
b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:24:04 -0500
From: "Bachman, Michael" <Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com>
Subject: RE: one of my students...

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Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:00 AM
To: Sebastian Hagedorn
Cc: You F*ckers
Subject: Re: one of my students...

On 1/24/08, Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
>>
>> --On 23. Januar 2008 21:32:40 -0600 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> ...this semester is named Caleb.
>>
> I guess the name is so rare that that is in itself newsworthy?
>

>No...as my Nathan Fillion reference was intended to clarify, I was
referring to Caleb being the name of the 
>creepy preacher guy on the last season of _Buffy_.

Also the name that Jeremiah Johnson gives to the mute boy whose was
given to him by the crazy woman whose husband was rubbed out by the
local tribe. "I think I shall call you Caleb". It's a great movie to
watch on a winter's night.

Michael B.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:38:32 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: "Born Old" vs. "Forever Young"

Was casting around YouTube...and, fer instance, (partially inspired by topics
out here) I ran across the Fleetwood Mac circa '75 lineup doing the old ("Kiln
House" track) "Station Man" live (as on those early tours, Lindsey had to do
lots of Green, Kirwan, Welch, etc. material)...interesting, but watching John
and Mick, I thought, jeez, they seemed like old men THEN, and that's damn near
going on 35 years ago, now.  Got me thinking...and, for no apparent reason
(without any other judgments as to quality...and, of course, YMMV), here
is...


List of musicians who were apparently born old:

John Entwistle
Bill Wyman (REALLY old)
Mick Fleetwood
John McVie
Ian Anderson
All of Metallica
Leonard Cohen (but in a good way)
Tom Waits (ditto)
Nick Cave (ditto)
Neil Diamond
Jimmy Page
Roger Waters
Chuck Berry


Conversely, no matter actual age (and/or besides visual wear n' tear -- or, in
some cases, actual death), these musicians seem (as Dylan said) "Forever
Young":

RH
Bob Dylan
Neil Young
Lindsey Buckingham
Bruce Springsteen
Paul Weller
Paul Westerberg ("Grandpa Boy" be damned)
David Bowie
John Lydon
George Harrison
Robert Plant
Syd Barrett
Buddy Holly


...Obviously, not an all-encompassing theory, since (for examples):  Presley?
eh...dunno; Lennon is god and thus exempt from the discussion; at times,
Jagger and Macca could be either one; hard to classify Lou/Cale (JC seems
grownup mostly, but not "old man"; LR seems childish sometimes, but certainly
not "Forever Young"); as much as I know and love Townshend, I can't make him
fit either one; and, of course, wither the mystery that is Keef? (I say, since
he apparently can't be killed by conventional weapons, he is indeed sui
generis and should be his very own and singular category of one...)

What sayeth the feggy masses?


Michael "BTW, this differs _completely_ from my previous 'Rock 'n' Roll
Grownup' theory, which DID classify Lennon, Richards, Reed, and Townshend as
'yea' and Jagger, Macca, and Bowie as 'nay'" Sweeney

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:44:39 EST
From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com
Subject: Re: How "Lowe" can u go?

so, therefore, it also sounds like Steely Dan's "Reeling in the Years" ? 
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2008 8:13:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com writes:

Is it  just me, or does Spoon's "The Underdog" sound not only so much like  
Nick
Lowe, but nearly EXACTLY like NL's "So It  Goes"




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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:08:10 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: "Born Old" vs. "Forever Young"

On Jan 24, 2008 8:38 AM, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> List of musicians who were apparently born old:
>
Add Charlie Watts...

some cases, actual death), these musicians seem (as Dylan said) "Forever
Young":

Bob Dylan
Neil Young

Not sure I can agree on either...

George Harrison
Robert Plant

Both of these got/are getting a bit elder-looking...

I think you need a third category: old-man head on young-man body. This
could include Iggy (of course), Jagger...


- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:02:57 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: "Born Old" vs. "Forever Young"

Jeff wrote:

>On Jan 24, 2008 8:38 AM, Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:
List of musicians who were apparently born old:
>Add Charlie Watts...

See, that one, I on't think so, because he SEEMS young and IS rock 'n'
roll...(and, of course, because Charlie is My Darling....)

>>some cases, actual death), these musicians seem (as Dylan said)
"ForeverYoung":Bob Dylan
Neil Young<<

>Not sure I can agree on either...

...but both remain inventive, inquisitive, challenging, etc. -- even tho'
they're as grizzled as fuck (is my point, I guess)

...Of course, it IS a pretty half-baked theory and all (which is mine --
huh-hunh!)

Finally played the excellent Ontario RH show...heard a glass/bottle break
during it -- thought it was you, Jeff, watering your sneakers, 'til I
remembered it wasn't the Shank Hall show we saw...


Michael "In New York this week; mere steps from Bleecker St. now (and every
night until Mon.)" Sweeney
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