From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #459 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, January 20 2008 Volume 16 : Number 459 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: D'oh! [2fs ] Re: D'oh! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: D'oh! [lep ] Re: D'oh! [lep ] Re: D'oh! [Rex ] Re: D'oh! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: D'oh! [lep ] Re: D'oh! [2fs ] Re: D'oh! ["Jason Brown" ] Re: D'oh! [lep ] Re: D'oh! ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Firesign Theater [Jill Brand ] Re: Firesign Theater ["vivien lyon" ] Re: D'oh! [2fs ] Re: D'oh! [2fs ] Re: Firesign Theater [2fs ] Re: D'oh! [Rex ] Re: Firesign Theater [Rex ] REAP 'Brady Bunch' actor Allan Melvin -- Sam the butcher -- dies in Los Angeles [HwyCDRre] reap [Steve Schiavo ] Re: La Charity [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: REAP 'Brady Bunch' actor Allan Melvin -- Sam the butcher -- dies in Los Angeles ["Sumiko Keay" ] Re: Firesign Theater ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:08:40 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: D'oh! On 1/19/08, Rex wrote: > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 1:02 PM, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > My other suggestion is, if anyone asks you how this happened, blame one > > of your kids ;-) > > > > I'm just not that cruel! Plus, to be honest, the 10-year-old is about as > computer savvy as me > Geez Rex - don't insult her like that! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:23:41 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: D'oh! Rex wrote: > ITunes question from me: > Somehow (that is to say, by trying to do too many things at once) last night > I accidentally altered the Artist and Album information on a couple hundred > iTunes songs (they all now claim to be tracks from David Byrne, Sounds from > True Stories). Try ieatbrainz, which retags things according to musicbrainz . Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:49:40 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: D'oh! 2fs says: > My other suggestion is, if anyone asks you how this happened, blame one of > your kids ;-) (...or perhaps one of your kids will now know they can blame you when the situation is reversed.) quite a while ago, i was using this: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ i believe it was when i was trading a lot of elliott smith live show audio, and got really irritated that i couldn't just tag the files according to the directory structure and file names. i'm assuming you have the files in proper directories and/or well-named. like, you don't have 200 david byrne directories. if you would be happy to use the existing file names (or portions thereof), here's some information on how you would take the information from the directory and use it to create the tags: file:///C:/Program%20Files/Mp3tag/help/main_converter.html (the section entitled "Filename - Tag".) obviously, you should play around with it first, and backup your data early and often. also, this program might also be useful to other folks perhaps are baffled as am i about the need for the great file name-tag divide. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:52:10 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: D'oh! i say: > file:///C:/Program%20Files/Mp3tag/help/main_converter.html > (the section entitled "Filename - Tag".) whoops, that seems to be a page from my hard disk. here's what it says: << Convert tags from/to filenames Mp3tag has a variety of possibilities to convert tags and filenames. Thereby, conversion means for example getting tag information from parts of the filename or renaming files based on the information stored in the audio file. The base concept behind all converters in Mp3tag is the so called formatstring, which describes a abstract pattern of a filename or a line in an tag-list file. A formatstring consists of any characters and pre-defined placeholders. Every placeholders begins with the percent sign (%), followed by a tag field name and ends with the percent sign. For example, the placeholder '%album%' stand for the field Album in the tag at all converters. This document gives a short introduction to the convertes in Mp3tag. A detailed explanation of the formatstring syntax can be found at the configuration help topic of the specific converter. Back to main page Tag - Filename Menu Convert, Tag - Filename You can rename files based on the tag and file information with this converter. The formatstring defines the format scheme of the new filename and all placeholders in this formatstring will be replaced with the information from the file when executing this converter. You can find an overview of all pre-defined placeholders and an example at Configuration / Convert. Back to main page Filename - Tag Menu Convert, Filename - Tag This converter takes parts from the filename and copies them to specified fields in the tag of the audio file. The formatstring defines the format of the filename and the placeholders are describing the way to which tag field the parts will be copied. You can find an overview of all pre-defined placeholders and an example at Configuration / Convert. Back to main page Taglist-File - Tag Menu Convert, Taglist-File - Tag This converter imports tag information from a text-file. Thereby each line of the textfile consists of the tag information for one file. The formatstring describes the format of these lines. You can find an overview of all pre-defined placeholders and an example at Configuration / Convert. Back to main page Filename - Filename Menu Convert, Filename - Filename This converter is a rename tool, which renames filenames based on the filename. You can define up to nine parts of the old filename and let Mp3tag organize the parts in a new way. You can find an example at Configuration / Convert. >> i imagine it's on the website as well, but i didn't look very hard to find it. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:01:55 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: D'oh! On Jan 19, 2008 2:52 PM, lep wrote: > i say: > > file:///C:/Program%20Files/Mp3tag/help/main_converter.html > > (the section entitled "Filename - Tag".) > > whoops, that seems to be a page from my hard disk. here's what it says: > << > > Convert tags from/to filenames > Mp3tag has a variety of possibilities to convert tags and filenames. > Thereby, conversion means for example getting tag information from > parts of the filename or renaming files based on the information > stored in the audio file. > Ah... (please!) correct me if I'm wrong, but these would be basically changing "song title" to the filename. Strangely, the song titles are the only things which are correct now... they are just all assigned to the wrong artist and album (now changed from "David Byrne/Sounds from True Stories" to "?/?", which makes it kind of look like the lead singer of the Mysterians put out a really damned long solo album, but it's just a placeholder). Thanks all... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:07:11 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: D'oh! lep wrote: > > also, this program might also be useful to other folks perhaps are > baffled as am i about the need for the great file name-tag divide. 'cos file names -- or at least file names *I* make -- don't have spaces in them. iTunes is moronic in renaming files dropped on it, and iPods more moronic still for renaming files to meaningless gibberish. Yeah, you can tell I'm still bitter that my iRiver was stolen and my mp3 collection destroyed in the great Holiday Season Break-in ... Stewart np: The Monks - Black Monk Time (which also doesn't help the bitterness - it's Mark E Smith's favourite album not by Mark E Smith) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:54:52 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: D'oh! Rex says: > Ah... (please!) correct me if I'm wrong, but these would be basically > changing "song title" to the filename. Strangely, the song titles are the > only things which are correct now... they are just all assigned to the wrong > artist and album (now changed from "David Byrne/Sounds from True Stories" to > "?/?", which makes it kind of look like the lead singer of the Mysterians > put out a really damned long solo album, but it's just a placeholder). hmmm...i hope this helps: my mp3 directories are organized as, e.g.: Artist Album that is, I have: G:\MP3s\MP3\ Badly Drawn Boy Beatles Belle & Sebastian\ If You're Feeling Sinister The Boy With The Arab Strap\ 01-It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career.mp3 02-Sleep The Clock Around.mp3 03-Is It Wicked Not To Care_.mp3 Tigermilk So, if I wanted to tag the B&S album "Arab Strap" by using the information in how the data is stored, I can tell the mp3 tag program (in the "Options" menu) that my tags will draw their data from the filename using the following format string: %artist%\%album%\%title% that is, mp3 tag program is told to expect that the file is stored in this manner: Artist\Album\Title. so that way the Artist, Album, and Title data will be found from within the actual filename (which remember includes the file's path/directory location), and then the data will be put into the tags as you indicate. of course, iTunes has a bunch of other fields, but you could rearrange your directories (or make a copy of the whole structure temporarily), with things like release date, genre, blah blah blah. the ways to strip and rearrange the filename data into the tag data are only limited by your imagination (and david byrne's copyright holdings.) information on the format string. perhaps tc will come on and tell you how to take advantage of scripting functions mentioned near the bottom. (just FYI, i use cdex and winamp, so i'm no itunes pro - i've used it to help my father with his ipod, but that's about it.) << Tag - Filename Format string The format string describes the filename scheme for the rename operation based on the tag and file information. You can use the following placeholders: %album% Album %artist% Artist %comment% Comment %genre% Genre %title% Title %track% Track-Number %year% Year %fieldname% Any other tag field not listed here with the name 'fieldname'. Please have a look at 'View > Tags...' for an overview of all available tag fields in your file. There are also some special fields, which give you some technical information about the file: %_bitrate% bitrate in kBit/s %_codec% codec %_counter% number of selected file %_extension% file extension %_filename% filename without extension %_length% length of file %_length_seconds% length of file in seconds %_mode% Mono/Stereo %_samplerate% samplerate %_total% total number of tracks from an album if tracknumber has xx/xx format %_total_files% Total number of selected files %_vbr% VBR (variable Bitrate) Example %artist - %album% - $num(%track%,2) - %title% renames to Artist - Album - 01 - Title Notes You can use the backslash to mark directories in the format string. You can use the built-in Scripting functions. Back to main page Filename - Tag Format string The format string describes the formatting scheme of the filename. The placeholders used mark the parts of the filename which are copied to the tag. You can use the following placeholders in the format string: %album% Album %artist% Artist %comment% Comment %genre% Genre %title% Title %track% Track-Number %year% Year %dummy% this part will be ignored %fieldname% any field with name fieldname Example Filename: (Artist - Album) 01 EXAMPLE Year.mp3 Format string: (%artist% - %album%) %track% EXAMPLE %year% Notes You can use the backslash to mark directories in the format string. Back to main page Text file - Tag Filename Filename of the text file. The tags will be imported from this file. Format string The format string describes the format of one line in the text file. You can use the following placeholders in the format string: %album% Album %artist% Artist %comment% Comment %genre% Genre %title% Title %track% Track-Number %year% Year %field% Any other tag field you'd like to use. %_filename_ext% Filename (current working directory is used as filepath) %_path% Filename with full filepath %dummy% this part will be ignored Example Line in file: Artist / Title / Album / Year Format string: %artist% / %title% / %album% / %year% Back to main page Filename - Filename Old filename pattern This format string splits the filename in several parts. You can use the following placeholders: %1 first part %2 second part ... %9 last part New filename pattern Format string which is a combination of the parts defined in the format string above. Example Old filename pattern: (%1 - %2) %3 %4 %5 (%6) Old filename: (Artist - Album) 01 EXAMPLE 2004 (COMMENT).mp3 New filename pattern: %5 (%1 - %2) Example '['%6']' New filename: 2004 (Artist - Album) Example [COMMENT].mp3 Notes You can mark directories via the backslash within the format string. You can use the build-in Scripting functions. >> hope this helps, not hurts. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:37:03 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: D'oh! On 1/19/08, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > Rex wrote: > > ITunes question from me: > > Somehow (that is to say, by trying to do too many things at once) last > night > > I accidentally altered the Artist and Album information on a couple > hundred > > iTunes songs (they all now claim to be tracks from David Byrne, Sounds > from > > True Stories). > > Try ieatbrainz, which retags things according to musicbrainz > . If MB is what's responsible for the absurd and seemingly arbitrary capitalization scheme as found in last.fm, I hate hate hate it. [Note: Please insert any of my previously existing rants re people who think it's way supercool to tell everyone else to lower-case their name, use intercaps, etc. The really annoying thing here is people just make shit up: I have two albums by a Madison-based band, whose name is clearly printed on the covers of both CDs in standard capitalization, thus: Squarewave. So whyzit whenever one of their tracks plays and gets scrobbled at last.fm, the band name shows up as "SquareWave"? Idiots. We now return you to the non-ranting section of this post.] Anyway: the various good advices put forth re file renaming based on folders, etc., are all for nought if Rex set his iTunes to automatically organize his library - i.e., when you say that a track is from an album called, say, When Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt, by a band called The Flying Bono Rapers of Arsewick, iTunes in this mode will create a folder called "The Flying Bono Rapers of Arsewick" and a subfolder of that called "When Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt"...so if Rex renamed every artist field of the tracks to "David Byrne" (who shoulda written the Book of Love) and every album to "Sounds from True Stories," taking the mp3 tags from file identities will do nothing useful. I'm afraid Rex will just have to listen to all those tracks to ID them, and if he can't, ask The Great Revolving Brain in the Sky (i.e., us) to ID them for him. ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:29:13 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: D'oh! Once you get those mislabeled track sorted how about posting the actual Sounds from True Stories tracks somewhere :-) - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:04:19 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: D'oh! 2fs says: > Anyway: the various good advices put forth re file renaming based on > folders, etc., are all for nought if Rex set his iTunes to automatically > organize his library - i.e., when you say that a track is from an album > called, say, When Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt, by a band called The Flying > Bono Rapers of Arsewick, iTunes in this mode will create a folder called > "The Flying Bono Rapers of Arsewick" and a subfolder of that called "When > Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt"...so if Rex renamed every artist field of the > tracks to "David Byrne" (who shoulda written the Book of Love) and every > album to "Sounds from True Stories," taking the mp3 tags from file > identities will do nothing useful. that is some crazy software. if itunes is "managing" all your mp3s, why does it need to move them around at all? it doesn't need a bunch of directories to "remember" where everything is. if you rename an album (i.e. perhaps you prefer "The White Album" to "The Beatles") does that mean it puts the data into a different directory? (i remember really not liking it- perhaps that was why. i imagine i put itunes on pretty much autopilot as my dad's still at sort of a lower plane of computer relations (he still sees no need for lower case letters on typewriters or computer keyboards.)) i came of age (as "they" say) using unix and VT-100 terminals, so perhaps i just can't give up that small bit of control i believe have over my PC. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:04:55 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: D'oh! 2fs wrote: > > If MB is what's responsible for the absurd and seemingly arbitrary > capitalization scheme as found in last.fm , I hate hate > hate it. Nope, I suspect not. MB have nothing by Squarewave. Though I do find MB's "Guess caps" tool trying, especially when you you enter details exactly as on the liner notes, yet some spotted herbert comes along and autocorrects your work, then points you to the following inane rules: Still Bitter, Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Firesign Theater James wrote: "Q - "No, I need your first name as well" F - "Ah. (pause) David" You guessed it - official documentation for him came back as being for "R. David Smith" This reminds me of "Mr. Uh Clem" from We're All Bozos on this Bus. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:22:47 -0800 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: Firesign Theater I think of that bit nearly every single time I'm asked my name. I go by my middle name, but my first name is more appropriate in some contexts, so I don't have an automatic response to that question. Uh Vivien On Jan 19, 2008 7:15 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > James wrote: > "Q - "No, I need your first name as well" > > F - "Ah. (pause) David" > > You guessed it - official documentation for him came back as being > for "R. David Smith" > > > This reminds me of "Mr. Uh Clem" from We're All Bozos on this Bus. > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:36:21 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: D'oh! On 1/19/08, lep wrote: > > 2fs says: > > Anyway: the various good advices put forth re file renaming based on > > folders, etc., are all for nought if Rex set his iTunes to automatically > > organize his library - i.e., when you say that a track is from an album > > called, say, When Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt, by a band called The > Flying > > Bono Rapers of Arsewick, iTunes in this mode will create a folder called > > "The Flying Bono Rapers of Arsewick" and a subfolder of that called > "When > > Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt"...so if Rex renamed every artist field of > the > > tracks to "David Byrne" (who shoulda written the Book of Love) and every > > album to "Sounds from True Stories," taking the mp3 tags from file > > identities will do nothing useful. > > that is some crazy software. if itunes is "managing" all your mp3s, > why does it need to move them around at all? it doesn't need a bunch > of directories to "remember" where everything is. No - that's an option you can choose. Personally, I like it: if I'm making a mix, I can temporarily give all the tracks in the mix an album title (i.e., folder), so that if I want to edit them, I can return to the same folder rather than having to go to a different folder (from their original albums) each time. But again: it doesn't *have* to do it that way - that's a configurable option. if you rename an album (i.e. perhaps you prefer "The White Album" to > "The Beatles") does that mean it puts the data into a different > directory? Exactly. If you want it to. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:40:44 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: D'oh! On 1/19/08, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > > Nope, I suspect not. MB have nothing by Squarewave. Though I do find > MB's "Guess caps" tool trying, especially when you you enter details > exactly as on the liner notes, yet some spotted herbert comes along and > autocorrects your work, then points you to the following inane rules: > Uh, how are the standard rules of capitalization "inane"? What's inane is some artist deciding he always wants his name spelled iAmButtwAx in 72-point Helvetica Bold. What's more inane is people who think that because some graphic artist decided it would be cool if The Flaming Blintzes' name were written all in lower case with spaces between each letter on a CD cover, that means everyone is supposed to write "t h e f l a m i n g b l i n t z e s" every damned time. I capitalize every band name, every artist name, every album title, in standard usage...unless there isn't standard usage or unless it looks stupid that way. It's my database, after all... (And don't get me started on the crazy Japanese, although I don't have much J-pop in the collection. Every other title is all caps, half caps, yadda yadda yadda...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:44:36 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Firesign Theater On 1/19/08, vivien lyon wrote: > > I think of that bit nearly every single time I'm asked my name. I go by my > middle name, but my first name is more appropriate in some contexts, so I > don't have an automatic response to that question. My grandmother used to tell a story about a kid she met in high school (I think it was). He was introducing himself, and for whatever reason she didn't hear him say his name but only heard him spell it...so for quite some time she thought his surname was "Piariemio." It was actually "Premeo"...(details may be wrong - it's been 20 years or so - but you get the idea...) Let's just call them...the phenomena. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:06:06 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: D'oh! On Jan 19, 2008 4:37 PM, 2fs wrote: > > Anyway: the various good advices put forth re file renaming based on > folders, etc., are all for nought if Rex set his iTunes to automatically > organize his library - i.e., when you say that a track is from an album > called, say, When Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt, by a band called The Flying > Bono Rapers of Arsewick, iTunes in this mode will create a folder called > "The Flying Bono Rapers of Arsewick" and a subfolder of that called "When > Monkeys Fly Out of My Butt"...so if Rex renamed every artist field of the > tracks to "David Byrne" (who shoulda written the Book of Love) and every > album to "Sounds from True Stories," taking the mp3 tags from file > identities will do nothing useful. Sadly, yes. Interestingly, in this instance, David Byrne's name WAS written somewhere instead of Robyn's. I mean, my iTunes library is no Book of Love, but still... And say, have we parsed this before? I read that line not to say that Byrne (or somebody) should have written the book, but that that Byrne's name should have been next to yours, and would have been, had not the slobbering fool with the speech defect and the shaking hand written Robyn's instead. What say you, good people? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:08:54 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Firesign Theater On Jan 19, 2008 7:22 PM, vivien lyon wrote: > I think of that bit nearly every single time I'm asked my name. I go by my > middle name, but my first name is more appropriate in some contexts, so I > don't have an automatic response to that question. > Me too, and me too. I don't fancy it makes a really solid first impression when I appear uncertain of my own name, but there it is. I've given the same type of name to one of my daughters, too; she already wants to be rid of both names and go by "Crystal" instead. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:53:12 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: REAP 'Brady Bunch' actor Allan Melvin -- Sam the butcher -- dies in Los Angeles _http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-bkmelvinobit-011908,0,683204 3.story_ (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-bkmelvinobit-011908,0,6832043.story) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:28:05 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: reap Suzanne Pleshette - also the voice actress for both Yubaba and Zeniba in the Engilsh version of Miyazaki's Spirited Away. - - Steve __________ I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone girl with a scythe. - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:35:54 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: La Charity I still use cassettes in the car every day. My Memorex MP3 player does not remember where it was when I turned it off, that is it starts over at the beginning of a song when you turn it on again. This is merely annoying when listening to an album, but lets say that I'm listening to a novel which has only one 70-minute track per CD, then it is just unusable. And I find that more and more audio books are too lazy to break up a CD into multiple tracks. (I am aware that an iPod can remember where I left off, if I do it correctly, but I am not allowed to bring my iPod into the government building where I work because it has a male USB port and I might be too dumb not to infect the network with terrible viruses, etc.) This is one of the reasons why I still use my VHS machine, I turn the tape off dozens of times in the middle over a period of days or weeks and the damn thing always remembers where I stopped. Hollie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:12:27 -0600 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: REAP 'Brady Bunch' actor Allan Melvin -- Sam the butcher -- dies in Los Angeles Damn, Suzanne Pleshette, Sam the Butcher. . . more tv icons from my childhood gone. Sumi On Jan 20, 2008 12:53 AM, wrote: > _http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-bkmelvinobit-011908,0,683204 > 3.story_ > (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/orl-bkmelvinobit-011908,0,6832043.story) > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:32:57 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Reap John Stewart, 68...damn. Overshadowed by Suzanne Pleshette's passing AND obit-tagged as "Daydream Believer" (ugh) writer... http://tinyurl.com/yp5r2n Michael "To me, he was top known as a major Lindsey B. influence..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:08:36 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Firesign Theater ... or a family friend, Mr Sartin, who got mail for a Mr Sugar Tin, as he'd one given his name over the phone as "S, as in sugar, A, R, T, I, N". Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #459 ********************************