From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #449 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 9 2008 Volume 16 : Number 449 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Gnat commemorative [Capuchin ] Re: Gnat commemorative [2fs ] Re: Natalie Jane ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: astronomy picture of the day [Tom Clark ] Re: NJ's last post [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: NJ's last post [Rex ] Re: NJ's last post ["vivien lyon" ] Re: Natalie Jane ["Marc Holden" ] Re: randi [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] gnat's most recent postings [Jill Brand ] The Venus 3's other gig [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: ["John B. Jones" ] Re: [Rex ] VH1C Sound of the City: London 1964-73 (1981) [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Re: [Tom Clark ] Re: NJ's last post [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: NJ's last post [Rex ] Re: [Rex ] Re: Re: [Tom Clark ] Re: Re: [2fs ] Re: Natalie Jane [Eleanore Adams ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:02:52 -0600 (CST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Gnat commemorative On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Tom Clark wrote: > Somebody out there has a picture of Natalie and I yelling at each other, > I think after the Portland Soft Boys show. I would like that to be > included if it surfaces. I took and have that photo, Tom. As well as many others. I'll get those to Carrie tonight or first thing in the morning. I've got loads of photos and leave them to Carrie's discretion. J. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:13:04 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Gnat commemorative On 1/8/08, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > > Fegs - > All this outpouring of memorials and images and posts, it's wonderful and > sad and beautiful. Gnat was so much a part of our tight-knit, long-standing > community. > > I've spoken with Viv about this and she is in agreement. I am going to > make a hand-bound book for the memorial with our posts and images and some > of her posts. It will be given to her parents after the service. > > Obviously Gnat touched our lives - it's important to mark that. Now *you* folks are making me tear up - I think it's wonderful what people are doing, and I'm sure her family and friends will be moved to know how she inspired us and her importance in our lives. Certainly include the e-mail I sent a few days back in the commemorative, unless I ended up making no sense as I too often do. Damn - this is just unfair. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:36:14 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: Natalie Jane as she alluded to in michael's re-post, i had planned to recorder our "shift" together. i had assumed that we'd be taking separate vehicles, but we ended up going together in her car to the station -- and, having had only two hours' sleep, i neglected to grab my recording gear out of my car. one very funny thing that happened during the show was as follows. she had repeatedly admonished me that if i were to curse on-air, she'd get into a lot of trouble. so, at one point i was in the back room looking through the station's vinyl library, when she began to play a song -- for the life of me, i can't remember which -- with a quite prominently-placed f-bomb in it. i raised my eyebrows a little bit, but figured she'd just bleep out the offending passage...which she failed to do. she was kind of freaking out when i went back into the studio, explaining she'd forgotten that that word was in that song. the marshals never showed up though -- i guess the FCC had better things to do at 6:00 on a sunday morning... damn, but i wish i could remember what song it was! carrie, would it be possible to compose it in PDF format as well? i've got the sleater-kinney print around here somewhere -- let me know offlist if you want me to pass along a scan of it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:45:35 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: astronomy picture of the day On Jan 8, 2008, at 9:33 AM, lep wrote: > if anyone wants some onlist small talk, please tell what calendars you > have for 2008. For the past two years I've chosen to support a somewhat local and somewhat obscure internet celebrity, Rob Cockerham. I always get a kick out of his pranks and "scientific" studies: http://www.cockeyed.com - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:39:05 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: NJ's last post >Has anyone unearthed her last post? It wasn't that long ago... certainly >she had some comments on the last Wilco record, and I seem to recall her >recently having reappeared and made reference to NZ's Doubtful Sound, which >she'd claimed as a band name after James and I had discussed it. I ended up >writing a song with that title... Natalie-related topics certainly motivated >a lot of feg-songs over the years. > >a surprise turn of events -- i found a link: >http://www.robynhitchcock.org/archives/fegmaniax/v16.n303 Google suggests that the last was this one from late September, during the "cats and dogs doing vile things" thread: http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/v16.n347 James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:09:15 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: NJ's last post On Jan 8, 2008 10:39 PM, wrote: > \ > >a surprise turn of events -- i found a link: > >http://www.robynhitchcock.org/archives/fegmaniax/v16.n303 > > Google suggests that the last was this one from late September, > during the "cats and dogs doing vile things" thread: > > http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/v16.n347 Ah, the pet coprophilia thread. Good times. You know, it would be kind of neat to make some kind of tinfoil-critter gallery/virtual museum... sounds like a fair amount of us have thoths etc. we could photograph... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:17:52 -0800 From: "vivien lyon" Subject: Re: NJ's last post This... this is a genius idea. On Jan 8, 2008 11:09 PM, Rex wrote: > > > You know, it would be kind of neat to make some kind of tinfoil-critter > gallery/virtual museum... sounds like a fair amount of us have thoths etc. > we could photograph... > > -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 23:14:56 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Re: Natalie Jane After dealing with the deaths of two people close to me in the last three weeks (one of my best friends and my grandmother), I wouldn't have expected to feel this sense of loss for someone I only knew from a web group but who I don't believe I ever met. When you think about it, she could have even been a fictional creation--I can not prove that Natalie actually existed. Still, she influenced and enhanced my life for the better. She recommended great music to explore (I specifically recall the Minders coming up), she inspired a song that sticks in my head frequently to this day, and she helped make the words "fuck you" express humor, friendship, and even love. She truly added things I value to my life and has made me smile, without her ever knowing it. Thanks gnat. Rest untroubled, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:42:53 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: randi Quoting fegmaniax-digest : > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:44:09 -0600 > From: "Miles Goosens" > Subject: Re: randi > On Jan 7, 2008 11:21 PM, lep wrote: >> Mike G wrote: >> > * I haven't heard anything from Randi Speigel for ages. She was very >> > ill last time she posted to the list. Is anyone in touch with her? >> >> i was in touch briefly with randi back in february 2007. i don't know >> her (i'm a latecomer to feglist), but she had asked onlist about rh >> show audio cds, and i offered to send her some rh dvds. i heard back >> from her once, and wrote to ask her 3D address, but i didn't hear from >> her again. i hope she's okay. > Randi befriended me on MySpace back in late April or early May... we > exchanged a round of messages then, but nothing since. Her last > MySpace login shows as 12/31/07, though, so hopefully that means that > she's reasonably ok. > - - Miles * Good news! Thanks for these reports. - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:21:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: gnat's most recent postings I found this in a digest I had saved. In July, she wrote about the Veils and the first of Montreal record (V.16 #249). Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:13:32 -0500 From: "natalie jacobs" Subject: tattoos > While I'm on a roll of writing frivously uninteresting posts, I thought > I'd ask this: do fegs have tattoos? Here's a photo of both of mine: http://i19.tinypic.com/4xkwtx1.jpg The one on my upper arm is from a tarot card (The Star), the one around my wrist is a needlepoint design I found online. (Not because I'm way into needlepoint - I just liked the design.) n. ********************************************** Sigh. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:23:34 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: The Venus 3's other gig SXSW Lands R.E.M. Showcase; Others Added Fred Mills January 9, 2008 The annual South By Southwest music festival and conference just got way more interestingband, for at least one evening and venue still to be announced, insanely crowded. It was announced yesterday that R.E.M. will be appearing at a showcase to preview tracks from their upcoming album Accelerate. Get those elbow pads and steel-tipped boots ready, kids, and prepare to jostle (or bribe your favorite well-connected publicist to help you slip in to the show). Others recently announced include Spainbs Mala Rodriguez (featured in the December HARP, in fact), psychedelic pharmacists My Morning Jacket, post-pop princes Vampire Weekend, the revamped Breeders, post-punk pounders the Kills, sensitive guy Jens Lekman, disco diva Robyn, Bun B from UGK (which came to an end last year after Pimp C died), White Williams, Man Man, the Raveonettes and others. You can check the _official SXSW site _ (http://2008.sxsw.com/music) for all the news you need, and you can also subscribe to email updates. As we previously reported in our _December 21 news item about SXSW_ (http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=12072) , Lou Reed will be delivering the keynote address in Austin on March 13 (the even runs March 12-16 this year). Other noted speakers will include Daryl Hall, Seymour Stein and Thurston Moore and Steve Reich. _http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=12122_ (http://harpmagazine.com/news/detail.cfm?article=12122) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:08:18 -0800 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: Fegs - The email below (which I just found in the archives) is dear to me because, as Natalie and I figured out later, she had been listening to MY radio show (where I featured Cat Stevens' "Peace Train"). I was brand new on-the-air at KPSU; had only been doing a show for 3 weeks at that point. Her email was the first (and the most fulfulling) confirmation that there WERE indeed listeners out there in the real world. Having had her own radio show, I think Natalie knew exactly what kind of delight I was feeling at knowing that someone that I knew had accidentally tuned in to hear my musical selections! As for "Peace Train", I just had to play it, though I was wishing for something I knew would never come. If I had a show now, I would play it for Natalie, and I think this time she would really really enjoy it. It wasn't much longer after this email that I started seeing Natalie just at shows. I spotted her and Viv at a couple of Minders shows, and my friend Todd and I hung out with her at a Colin Meloy show a few years ago, and then of course we would see her at all the Robyn Hitchcock shows. She was indeed a great writer, and one of my favorite entries at her emmablowgun.blogspot.com page is one of the last entries there -- when she reviewed a Robyn gig that I had attended as well. I blogged about it, as it was a pretty great gig, but she really just captured the excitement of witnessing a great gig. I will probably continue to look for her at every Decemberists, Minders, Robyn Hitchcock and Colin Meloy event that I attend, just out of habit. I will miss her not being there. Thanks for listening, JBJ On Jan 9, 2008 9:04 AM, JBJ wrote: > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:59:46 -0700 (PDT) > From: Natalie Jane Jacobs > Subject: the promised music-related post > > So I picked up the new Beulah album the other day, "The Coast is Never > Clear." I like it quite a bit. The slicker, lusher sound saps their > energy a little, but it's not too bad. The lyrics are also far less > oblique and often very clever (though the love song to the survivor of a > near-fatal car accident kind of creeped me out - I suppose that one'll be > banned too). Great tunes, harmonies, and arrangements as usual. They're > touring everywhere except here - I wrote a pleading e-mail to them and > they promised they would come here in early December. > > The latest Martin Newell album, "The Spirit Cage," is a little > disappointing. He's continuing on with his jangly Kinks-y tunes about > everyday life, but he's obviously gotten into a musical rut - many songs > are riddled with self-plagiarism. The production feels really sparse and > threadbare, which doesn't suit the music very well. I suppose Andy > Partridge was too busy with his own stuff to help produce. > > > In other news, I heard "Peace Train" on the radio last night and despite > my great love for Cat Stevens, it depressed the hell out of me. > > Non-musically, I've been curious as to when some pundit is going to come > up with some name for the events of September 11. People refer to > it as "the tragedy" or "the disaster," but that's very vague; we all > know what those phrases refer to, but they could theoretically refer > to any catastrophic event. There's no phrase that pins down the events > precisely, like "Pearl Harbor" or "Hiroshima." One local paper has used > the term "S11," but I haven't seen that anywhere else. Has anyone else > noticed a catchphrase popping up? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:02:31 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Time capsule time, via Nat: > Non-musically, I've been curious as to when some pundit is going to come > up with some name for the events of September 11. People refer to > it as "the tragedy" or "the disaster," but that's very vague; we all > know what those phrases refer to, but they could theoretically refer > to any catastrophic event. There's no phrase that pins down the events > precisely, like "Pearl Harbor" or "Hiroshima." One local paper has used > the term "S11," but I haven't seen that anywhere else. Has anyone else > noticed a catchphrase popping up? It's hard to remember a time when it wasn't just "Nine-Eleven", but it did exist. Every great once in a while I hear someone say "nine one one", and it already sounds dated. And I don't think it's down to one pundit... it was just sort of adopted en masse, maybe through just plain fatigue. I was not onlist during the aftermath of 9/11, but I know it was a rocky time around here (as opposed to everywhere else, where, of course, it was happy time smiles a lot theatre), but Natalie seems to have dealt with it well, huh? It's kind of interesting that nobody on the list is talking politics right now, and I'd guess that has to do with the shock about Natalie holding sway. But the primaries are interesting, and, without getting too deeply into it, I'll just say I'm happy about the large turnouts so far... that if nothing else is a positive thing, right? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:20:44 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: VH1C Sound of the City: London 1964-73 (1981) VH1C Sound of the City: London 1964-73 (1981) _http://www.vh1.com/artists/rock_on_tv/sort.jhtml?type=series&motvId=rotv%3As1 22917&title=Rock+City_ (http://www.vh1.com/artists/rock_on_tv/sort.jhtml?type=series&motvId=rotv:s122917&title=Rock+City) Wed 01.16 10:00 PM ET Thu 01.17 05:00 PM ET Movie Review Sound of the City: London 1964-73 (1981) July 24, 1981 'ROCK CITY,' A SCRAPBOOK OF LONDON POP By Janet Maslin Published: July 24, 1981 ''ROCK CITY'' is a wild and woolly scrapbook of London's pop scene in its heyday, which the movie defines as the era between 1964 and 1973. It's a collection of clips, randomly assembled, featuring just about everybody who was anybody in those days. Bopping down memory lane, the viewer encounters Rod Stewart, Pete Townshend, Cream, the Rolling Stones in loud outfits and war paint, and Otis Redding, who offers a version of ''Satisfaction'' that puts even the Stones to shame. The movie, which opens today at the Harold Clurman Theater, was made in 1973. It's certainly dated, but that's just the point. With no attempt to cast light or impose order on his material, the director, Peter Clifton, simply assembled views of some of his favorite performers doing favorite things. For Ike and Tina Turner, that means a lewdness that leaves so little to the imagination that it's halfway funny; for Cat Stevens, it means posing artily in an all-black outfit in an all-white room. Mr. Stevens's song ''Father and Son'' is illustrated by a pantomime chess game between an old man and a boy, in an arch fashion that has mercifully gone out of style. For Jimi Hendrix, it's performing those special, smutty guitar pyrotechnics that made him such a legend. For Joe Cocker, it's surrounding himself with so many backup singers that it's hard to pick Mrs. Turner or Rita Coolidge out of the crowd. The footage of Mr. Cocker comes out of another film, ''Mad Dogs and Englishmen.'' But most of Mr. Clifton's material appears to be too offbeat or secondary to have turned up elsewhere. His glimpse of the Stones is particularly memorable. At around the time of the ''Satanic Majesties'' album, they cavort before the camera in a style that combines mugging with the occult. To songs like ''We Love You'' and ''2000 Light Years From Home,'' they stage a mock trial, featuring some wicked allusions to their own legal problems of the time. Anyone who doesn't remember, say, that Marianne Faithfull was once alleged to have been found on the Stones premises wearing nothing but a bearskin rug will be baffled, if not bored, to see a rug unrolled with Mick Jagger inside. This is all interesting in its way, but it's not for curiosity seekers, it's for hard-core fans. Also on the bill are the Animals, Blind Faith, Pink Floyd and the Faces. In the Faces, Mr. Stewart's performance is photographed from such an inconvenient angle that his face is frequently obscured by cymbals, and the camera appears to be gazing up at the underside of his chin. Ah, well, those were the days before perfectionism set in, among either the musicians or those who photographed them. A viewer might wonder about some of Mr. Clifton's judgments -where are the Kinks, for example? -but not about the evocativeness of his souvenir. Janet Maslin Those Were the Days ROCK CITY, directed and produced by Peter Clifton; photography by Richard Mordaunt, Peter Whitehead, Graham Lind, Michael Cooper, Peter Neal, Bavin Cook, Ernest Vincze, Ivan Strasburg, Charles Stewart and Bruce Logan; edited by Thomas Schwaln; a World Film Serv- ices Ltd. production; a Columbia picture. Running time: 104 minutes. This film is not rated. At the Harold Clurman Theater, 412 West 42d Street. WITH: the Rolling Stones, Eric Burdon and the Animals, the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Otis Redding, Peter Townshend, Cream, Steve Win- wood, Blind Faith, Cat Stevens, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Donovan, Joe Cocker, Tina Turner, the Ike and Tina Turner Revue, Pink Floyd and Rod Stewart and the Faces. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:26:44 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Re: On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:08 PM, John B. Jones wrote: > I will probably continue to look for her at every Decemberists, > Minders, > Robyn Hitchcock and Colin Meloy event that I attend, just out of > habit. I > will miss her not being there. I hadn't mentioned this before, but before the Stephen Malkmus show a few weeks ago I was scanning the sea of young hipsters sitting on the floor of the hall and I stopped when my eyes met with those of a girl who for the moment looked exactly like Natalie. I still remember the nanosecond surge of happiness that quickly subsided with the realization that this was not her. I'm sure that girl is still wondering about that brief sparkle in my eye. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:03:46 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: NJ's last post >On Jan 8, 2008 10:39 PM, ><grutness@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > >\ >>a surprise turn of events -- i found a link: >>http://www.robynhitchcock.org/archives/fegmaniax/v16.n303 > >Google suggests that the last was this one from late September, >during the "cats and dogs doing vile things" thread: > >http://www.fegmania.org/archives/fegmaniax/v16.n347 > > Ah, the pet coprophilia thread. Good times. more coprophagia than coprophilia, but yeah. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Rex wrote: > Time capsule time, via Nat: > > Non-musically, I've been curious as to when some pundit is going to come > > up with some name for the events of September 11. People refer to > > it as "the tragedy" or "the disaster," but that's very vague; we all > > know what those phrases refer to, but they could theoretically refer > > to any catastrophic event. There's no phrase that pins down the events > > precisely, like "Pearl Harbor" or "Hiroshima." One local paper has used > > the term "S11," but I haven't seen that anywhere else. Has anyone else > > noticed a catchphrase popping up? > It's hard to remember a time when it wasn't just "Nine-Eleven", but it did > exist. Every great once in a while I hear someone say "nine one one", and > it already sounds dated. And I don't think it's down to one pundit... it > was just sort of adopted en masse, maybe through just plain fatigue. I remember it being "September 11(th)" for a while, and then it settled down to "nine-eleven" (written 9/11). Either one works for me. I'm not a big fan of "nine-one-one" (911). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:27:30 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: NJ's last post On Jan 9, 2008 3:03 PM, wrote: > > > more coprophagia than coprophilia, but yeah. I reckon you don't eat crap unless you like it a lot, so... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:30:38 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: On Jan 9, 2008 3:19 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > I remember it being "September 11(th)" for a while, and then it settled > down to "nine-eleven" (written 9/11). Either one works for me. I'm not a > big fan of "nine-one-one" (911). > Now that I think of it, is this confusing to most of the rest of the world, who would certainly render the date "11/9"? Or is it just something that they know as an Americanism, and take at face value as a label for a specifically American experience? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:31:17 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Re: On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > I'm not a big fan of "nine-one-one" (911). I've been told it's a joke in my town. Who knew? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:55:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Re: On 1/9/08, Tom Clark wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > I'm not a big fan of "nine-one-one" (911). > > I've been told it's a joke in my town. Who knew? MY PUBLIC ENEMY HAZ A FLAVA... Flav. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:50:21 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Natalie Jane I, too, am sorry to hear this news. My thoughts are with you all. Eleanore On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:19 PM, lep wrote: > I'm really sorry to hear this news. My thoughts are with Viv, her > family, and those close to her. > > I didn't know her well, but I exchanged e-mails with her, and have > nothing but kind words about her. I first ran into her on the Elliott > Smith boards and found a fellow Hitchcock fan there. She encouraged > me to join this list; I said I was afraid of you guys - she said you > weren't too scary ;) > > xo > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------- > "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." > > - The Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #449 ********************************