From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #425 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 11 2007 Volume 16 : Number 425 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [2fs ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [kevin ] daring to be... [2fs ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [2fs ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [kevin ] Re: daring to be... [lep ] Re: daring to be... [lep ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: daring to be... [Rex ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: daring to be... [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [Rex ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [Rex ] Re: daring to be... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [Rex ] Re: daring to be...BOWIE [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] By the Way [Jeff Dwarf ] Fwd: daring to be... [2fs ] Re: daring to be... [2fs ] Re: daring to be... [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Re: daring to be... [kevin ] Re: daring to be...BOWIE [Rex ] Re: daring to be... [Rex ] Re: If my name were [Michael Sweeney ] Re: daring to be...BOWIE [2fs ] Re: daring to be...BOWIE [kevin ] Re: daring to be... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:19:02 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On 12/11/07, Rex wrote: > > Okay, that was pretty bad, but not as bad as the Guns 'N' Roses version, > which, sadly most humans seem to find definitive. I do not, do not, do not understand the generally high esteem in which GnR are often held. To me, they're a bunch of inane assholes playing purt-near generic loud rock - basically, a talented-enough bar band. Did I mention they also come across as annoying assholes? I remember an interview with the band, pretty much at the peak of their career (you know, when they still would occasionally deign to release music), and they were pulling all this obnoxious rock-star bullshit - the usual drugs, abusing groupies and kicking them naked out into the hotel hallway, etc etc etc. - and even then, that shit was so completely old and cliched (aside from being, you know, lousy human behavior), and yet they were being lionized for it by the usual gaggle of idiots who think "rebellion, man" means that it's okay to act like an asshole idiot. Grrrr rant rant rant rave drool rant grrrr. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:20:34 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons >Subject: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons > >Okay, that was pretty bad, but not as bad as the Guns 'N' Roses version, >which, sadly most humans seem to find definitive. Jeez, it can be a good thing to be out of touch with stuff sometimes - far as I know I've never heard Axl's version. I've never had any use for the little twerp anyway since I saw him on MTV a ways back sportin' a Charlie Manson t-shirt. As Harlan Ellison wrote in another context, fuck'm. My fave reading of KOHD remains, ironically enough, the one on Television's quasi-boot The Blow-Up. THere's something about Verlaine's desperate whine that makes me wish he'd do more Dylan covers. Maybe a double CD, or something. np Praxis: Tennessee 2004. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:28:25 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: daring to be... on-topic! _Grwy D'qai_ (this is the special Welsh-Arabic version) is available as a download from Yep Roc - tracklisting here: < http://store.yeproc.com/album.php?id=13092>. Does anyone know if any of those tracks differ from any that were on Rhino's reissue? Cuz on the one hand, gotta be all completist...on the other, I don't want to buy any of these songs that I already have. I'll also ask whether there's any remastering or anything - probably not... On a similar note (about an E-flat), does anyone have a list of which tracks are exclusive to the new Costello reissues? (Such phrasing always implies the additional request to post said list - not just answer "yes" to the actual question, assuming that someone somewhere indeed has such a list.) And can post them - cuz I've bought everything EC's put out up to four times each: I'm done rebuying his shit. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:42:06 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On 12/11/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, 2fs wrote: > > I do not, do not, do not understand the generally high esteem in which > GnR > > are often held. To me, they're a bunch of inane assholes playing > purt-near > > generic loud rock - basically, a talented-enough bar band. Did I mention > > Yes...but c'mon... "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City," and > especially "Sweet Child O'Mine"...on the last one, at least, they > transcended themselves. Is that some new jargon for "were even more annoying than ever before"? I will grant that that song created a new riff for teenagers in guitar shops to annoy people by playing poorly...but otherwise, ick. (I always call it "Oh How I Whine"...). I don't know "Paradise City" but "WttJ" is generic ugggh-rock to me. > they also come across as annoying assholes? I remember an interview with > the > > Well, yes--but the same could be said of, for example, Joe Strummer. Curious you'd say that - any examples? Because he's never struck me that way. Not that I've read a million interviews with him. Anyway: I'll like the music of annoying assholes if the music is good. If the music sucks, I reserve the right to hold the musicians' annoying assholity against them. (The couple-few times I saw him, Paul Westerberg was an annoyahole - but he wrote a bunch of great songs, so there.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:44:44 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, 2fs wrote: > On 12/11/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, 2fs wrote: > > > I do not, do not, do not understand the generally high esteem in which > > GnR > > > are often held. To me, they're a bunch of inane assholes playing > > purt-near > > > generic loud rock - basically, a talented-enough bar band. Did I mention > > > > Yes...but c'mon... "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City," and > > especially "Sweet Child O'Mine"...on the last one, at least, they > > transcended themselves. > > > Is that some new jargon for "were even more annoying than ever before"? I > will grant that that song created a new riff for teenagers in guitar shops > to annoy people by playing poorly...but otherwise, ick. (I always call it > "Oh How I Whine"...). I don't know "Paradise City" but "WttJ" is generic > ugggh-rock to me. Maybe you just had to be 12 when "Appetite for Destruction" came out :) > > they also come across as annoying assholes? I remember an interview with > > the > > > > Well, yes--but the same could be said of, for example, Joe Strummer. > > > > Curious you'd say that - any examples? Because he's never struck me that > way. Not that I've read a million interviews with him. "The Future Is Unwritten," the recent documentary. Perhaps "asshole" would be too strong, but I definitely came away from it thinking "Wow, Strummer was a JERK--but an awesome musician nevertheless." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:47:56 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons >the usual gaggle >of idiots who think "rebellion, man" means that it's okay to act like an >asshole idiot. > >Grrrr rant rant rant rave drool rant grrrr. Uhh -- word. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:05:38 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: daring to be... 2fs says: > On a similar note (about an E-flat), does anyone have a list of which tracks > are exclusive to the new Costello reissues? (Such phrasing always implies > the additional request to post said list - not just answer "yes" to the > actual question, assuming that someone somewhere indeed has such a list.) and back to off-topic... that reminds of a logician joke i know. actually, it's the only logician joke i know: so a family is sitting down to dinner, and the logician father says to his son: "if you don't eat your vegetables, i'm sending you to bed without dessert." so the son ate his vegetables, and the father sent him to bed without dessert. (that's the end of the joke, you can start laughing now.) xo lauren p.s. i recently saw "shopgirl" again. i really like that that movie. also, i think it's the only movie i know to feature someone who works as a logician (steve martin's character.) claire danes is such a babe. i just *know* you're all huddled inside this december, secretly watching your "my so-called life" dvd sets (my first dvd from netflix should arrive tomorrow.) - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:08:37 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: daring to be... 2fs wrote: > _Grwy D'qai_ (this is the special Welsh-Arabic version) is available as a > download from Yep Roc - tracklisting here: < > http://store.yeproc.com/album.php?id=13092>. i know i've lost all credibility with that ELP thing (which is okay, since i didn't have any to begin with), but isn't it "52 stations" (i.e. plural)? xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:10:22 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons agreed . . . i like the story of when Don Was invited Slash to play on Dylan's Under The Red Sky album . . see below . . (Bob was obviously f*cking with him) _http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15808331/slash_the_rolling_stone_inter view/print_ (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15808331/slash_the_rolling_stone_interview/print) It's been a long time coming. Slash, whose real name is Saul Hudson, has been a resident of Los Angeles since his parents moved to America from England in the early Seventies. Slash's mom, a professional costume designer named Ola Hudson, tailored outfits for such acts as John Lennon, Diana Ross and the Pointer Sisters, while his artist father, Anthony Hudson, created album covers for clients that included Neil Young and Joni Mitchell. Raised in the neo-hippie environs of Laurel Canyon -- which he still calls home -- young Saul's own creative instincts were nurtured early on. He was an enthusiastic artist and even contributed a series of animal illustrations to The Bestiary, an unpublished book of verse written by Joni Mitchell, who was a neighbor. . . . . . Q: What was the Dylan session like? A: Don Was called me up and asked me to play with Dylan, which turned out to be one of those mistakes you learn from. He must have said two words while I was there. One was "Hi" and the other was "Play it like Django Reinhardt." With all due respect to Django, that would have been a great concept had it fit the song. The whole thing was just a drag. Nothing against Dylan, because my dad liked him. I mean, I grew up on Bob Dylan; he was the guy my family listened to. And I never disliked him until the last five or six albums. I did get to meet George Harrison while I was there, though, and that was great. He was doing some fucking awesome slide playin In a message dated 12/11/2007 3:24:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: I do not, do not, do not understand the generally high esteem in which GnR are often held. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:16:04 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: daring to be... > _Grwy D'qai_ (this is the special Welsh-Arabic version) is available as a > download from Yep Roc - tracklisting here: < > http://store.yeproc.com/album.php?id=13092>. > Well, Merry Christmas to us! However, "the bare bones quirk of the usual Hitchcock faire"? Is this some kind of feg gathering of which I am somehow unaware? > > cuz I've bought everything EC's put out up to four times > each: I'm done rebuying his shit. > It's not shit! There are a few good records in that catalog. But, of course, I do see what you mean there. Now if someone would just put those long-deleted '70's Bowie records back in print... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, 2fs wrote: > On 12/11/07, Rex wrote: > > > > Okay, that was pretty bad, but not as bad as the Guns 'N' Roses version, > > which, sadly most humans seem to find definitive. > > I do not, do not, do not understand the generally high esteem in which GnR > are often held. To me, they're a bunch of inane assholes playing purt-near > generic loud rock - basically, a talented-enough bar band. Did I mention Yes...but c'mon... "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City," and especially "Sweet Child O'Mine"...on the last one, at least, they transcended themselves. > they also come across as annoying assholes? I remember an interview with the Well, yes--but the same could be said of, for example, Joe Strummer. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:13:28 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: daring to be... here you go ! _http://www.geocities.com/ned3705/rhino.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/ned3705/rhino.html) In a message dated 12/11/2007 3:40:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: On a similar note (about an E-flat), does anyone have a list of which tracks are exclusive to the new Costello reissues? (Such phrasing always implies the additional request to post said list - not just answer "yes" to the actual question, assuming that someone somewhere indeed has such a list.) And can post them - cuz I've bought everything EC's put out up to four times each: I'm done rebuying his shit. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:20:30 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On Dec 11, 2007 12:20 PM, kevin wrote: > > My fave reading of KOHD remains, ironically enough, the one on > Television's quasi-boot The Blow-Up. THere's something about Verlaine's > desperate whine that makes me wish he'd do more Dylan covers. Maybe a > double CD, or something. Probably goes without saying that I like that one, too. Also ironically, Verlaine's version of "Cold Irons Bound" on the I'M NOT THERE soundtrack sounds less like Television than... Dylan's original version of "Cold Irons Bound" (which has always struck me as sounding very much like a rootsy Television song in several ways). It is still spooky-cool, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:24:50 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On Dec 11, 2007 12:36 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > Yes...but c'mon... "Welcome to the Jungle," "Paradise City," and > especially "Sweet Child O'Mine"...on the last one, at least, they > transcended themselves. In reverse order, meh, meh, and flat-out puke. I go with Jeffrey N. on this one: glorified bar-band stuff. Better than their hair-metal contemporaries only by dint of a modicum of grit, which totally went awat when they became superstar assholes. "November Rain"-- no, I don't remember how it goes, just the video with the crane shots of Slash playing guitar on a bridge in the rain. That's enough. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:25:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: daring to be... lep wrote: > i just *know* you're all huddled inside this december, secretly > watching your "my so-called life" dvd sets (my first dvd from > netflix should arrive tomorrow.) Season 2 of Saturday Night Live, actually. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:28:16 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons On Dec 11, 2007 1:10 PM, wrote: Longtime feg Slash said: > > Nothing against Dylan, because my > dad liked him. Slash FTW! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:28:13 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: daring to be...BOWIE i thought EMI re-issued them all ? i even bought the 2 CD version of ALADDIN SANE Amazon has them on sale now ! (9.97 for most) or are you talking about the Ryko versions with bonus tracks OR LPs like Golden Years and Rare Bowie and Baal ? Stage was re-released with songs in correct order . . . some more info here (incomplete) _http://davidbowie.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=206_4255&sort=&page=0_ (http://davidbowie.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=206_4255&sort=&page=0) (http://davidbowie.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=206_4255) In a message dated 12/11/2007 4:18:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spottedeagleray@gmail.com writes: But, of course, I do see what you mean there. Now if someone would just put those long-deleted '70's Bowie records back in print... **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:34:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: By the Way I Wanna Go Backwards is on sale (along with a bunch of other stuff) on Yep Roc's site until Friday; only $34.99. Any opinions of Ken Stringfellow's Soft Commands (on sale for $5)? "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:15 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Fwd: daring to be... > http://www.geocities.com/ned3705/rhino.html > Oh Christ. Someone's got way too much time on their hands! (Thank god!) I didn't catch all the alternate versions between the Ryko & Rhino riessues (most of the Rykos got sold off, actually - I remember ripping a handful of different tracks). Ah well. At some point in the future, there'll be a huge giant enormous future-equivalent-of-a-zip-file containing every note EC's ever recorded. The curious thing is, if you add up the total time of everything Costello's ever recorded, it's actually *longer* time than Costello has actually been alive. Scientists are quite puzzled... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:50:09 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: daring to be... On 12/11/07, lep wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > > _Grwy D'qai_ (this is the special Welsh-Arabic version) is available as > a > > download from Yep Roc - tracklisting here: < > > http://store.yeproc.com/album.php?id=13092>. > > i know i've lost all credibility with that ELP thing (which is okay, > since i didn't have any to begin with), but isn't it "52 stations" > (i.e. plural)? And the word is "fare" not "faire" - and there are a few other typos as well... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:53:26 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: daring to be... i remember PiL's johnny lydon saying that jah wobble's new album c. 1980 - (The Legend Lives on - Jah Wobble in Betrayal) took longer to listen to than to record ! (Wobble was accused of using some METAL BOX sessions) In a message dated 12/11/2007 4:47:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com writes: At some point in the future, there'll be a huge giant enormous future-equivalent-of-a-zip-file containing every note EC's ever recorded. The curious thing is, if you add up the total time of everything Costello's ever recorded, it's actually *longer* time than Costello has actually been alive. Scientists are quite puzzled... **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:08:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: daring to be... >p.s. i recently saw "shopgirl" again. i really like that that movie. >also, i think it's the only movie i know to feature someone who works >as a logician (steve martin's character.) claire danes is such a >babe. i just *know* you're all huddled inside this december, secretly >watching your "my so-called life" dvd sets (my first dvd from netflix >should arrive tomorrow.) Not so much; I was watching some of the old "Sports Night" DVDs last nite though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:15:18 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: daring to be...BOWIE On Dec 11, 2007 1:28 PM, wrote: > i thought EMI re-issued them all ? > i even bought the 2 CD version of ALADDIN SANE > Amazon has them on sale now ! (9.97 for most) > or are you talking about the Ryko versions with bonus tracks > OR LPs like Golden Years and Rare Bowie and Baal ? > Sorry, I was being facetious... I guess it's not quite on the same level as Elvis C., but in my mind, the Bowie catalog had been reissued a lot. But now that I think about it, even the Camper Van Beethoven catalog has gotten at least one more reissue than Bowie's, and the Go-Betweens are neck and neck with him. Perhaps it was the fact that the Virgin reissues did away with all the Ryko bonus tracks that had me feeling like a rip-off had occurred. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:18:52 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: daring to be... On Dec 11, 2007 1:53 PM, wrote: > i remember PiL's johnny lydon saying that jah wobble's new album c. 1980 > - > (The Legend Lives on - Jah Wobble in Betrayal) > took longer to listen to than to record ! > (Wobble was accused of using some METAL BOX sessions) > Hmm, but that might make it worth tracking down... is it? I've never really heard of it, and I like the early PIL and later solo Wobble quite a lot. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:21:49 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: If my name were Kevin said: >Which is something I'd enthusiastically recommend to any nitwit too slow to figure out that putting heavy metals into your body is bad for you.< ...especially if it involves Tommy Iommi, "Mutt" Lange, or one-armed drummers in any way, shape, or form... Michael "I know, more prog than HM...but, see, I left Rush out of the joke on purpose out of holiday affection for their Feg supporters!" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ im is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:33:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: daring to be...BOWIE On 12/11/07, Rex wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2007 1:28 PM, wrote: > > > i thought EMI re-issued them all ? > > > Sorry, I was being facetious... I guess it's not quite on the same level > as > Elvis C., but in my mind, the Bowie catalog had been reissued a lot. But > now that I think about it, even the Camper Van Beethoven catalog has > gotten > at least one more reissue than Bowie's, and the Go-Betweens are neck and > neck with him. Perhaps it was the fact that the Virgin reissues did away > with all the Ryko bonus tracks that had me feeling like a rip-off > had occurred. Well, given that CDs have been around for 20 years, two reissues is hardly a lot. And the initial issues (on RCA, which were out for about five minutes) were utter crap. Frankly, I never much liked the Ryko issues - not the sound, but the packaging. I dislike those fold-out things...and half the time, the artwork was obviously photoreduced from an album, and was all blurry and illegible. Okay, those two things (large-scale via foldout, but blurry print via photoreduction) seem contradictory...but I'm pretty sure they coexisted. See, if you were Wire, and your album covers were very simple graphically, they display perfectly at CD size anyway. Well, except for _Ideal Copy_. Anyway: my Bowie is still the Ryko versions - although I was considering buying the Virgin/EMI ones, as a friend who's a major Bowie fiend said the sound was way better. The really surprising thing is that the Beatles CD catalog has *never* been reissued. Yeah, there are the tracks on that _Yellow Submarine_ thing, and the two mono/stereo boxes of the early US albums - but the catalog proper? Still in the same form it was in when initially issued in the late '80s. I gather there was disagreement among the surviving Beatles and heirs (no! say it's not so!) as to what/whether to do - also the feeling that if anyone should do it, George Martin should...but Martin says his ears are too far gone to do a proper job. Someday only Ringo will be alive (Paul will be murdered by a crazed ex-wife - - I mean, that's just hypothetical, of course), and then the band's true genius will be revealed. Either that, or the friendship with Jeff Lynne will result in the whole catalog receiving a Lucas-esque massive overdubbing. Sorry - had to be sick there a moment. I'm better now Speaking of...wasn't it someone here who directed us to downloads of "The French Toast Man" and "Satan's Blood"? Those finally came up in my listening queue the other day - good Christ but those are bizarre. Particularly "Satan's Blood" - it's hard to be both hilarious and frightening, but...uh, yes. PS I am not wearing a bra. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:43:20 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: daring to be...BOWIE >Perhaps it was the fact that the Virgin reissues did away >with all the Ryko bonus tracks that had me feeling like a rip-off >had occurred. > >-Rex Genius marketing, though - now the next time he reissues his entire back catalog he can put them out with the bonus tracks again...personally I thought a lot of the bonus material on the earlier albums was pretty unnecessary anyway. I'd rather pop on the vinyl 7" of "Holy Holy" (by David Bowie And The Hype!) any day - Visconti's bass is insane. (Evidently the little sucker is worth rather more at this point than the $3 I paid for it circa '78, too.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:50:54 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: daring to be... - -- lep is rumored to have mumbled on 11. Dezember 2007 16:05:38 -0500 regarding Re: daring to be...: > that reminds of a logician joke i know. actually, it's the only > logician joke i know: > > so a family is sitting down to dinner, and the logician father says to > his son: "if you don't eat your vegetables, i'm sending you to bed > without dessert." so the son ate his vegetables, and the father sent > him to bed without dessert. > > (that's the end of the joke, you can start laughing now.) I *think* I get it, but just to make sure: logically the father is correct, because he never said what he'd do if his son did eat his vegetables, right? > p.s. i recently saw "shopgirl" again. i really like that that movie. > also, i think it's the only movie i know to feature someone who works > as a logician (steve martin's character.) claire danes is such a > babe. i just *know* you're all huddled inside this december, secretly > watching your "my so-called life" dvd sets I am :-) Unfortunately it's the sucky German release that doesn't have any extras, not even subtitles! Anyway, it'll be my Christmas present for my 14-year old niece. I'm a little worried that she might not be able to relate to it as much as I would think she could, but what the heck. I'm thinking of ordering the US release for myself. BTW, the series has the title "Willkommen im Leben" in German, i.e. "Welcome to Life". BTW 2: I don't think I've ever seen Claire Danes in anything else, even though I adore her in MSCL. The character I relate to the most is Brian Krakow, unfortunately ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #425 ********************************