From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #424 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 11 2007 Volume 16 : Number 424 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album [] Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album [kevin ] That one guy I keep never having heard [Rex ] Re: That one guy I keep never having heard [Jeff Dwarf ] Go negative [Steve Schiavo ] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now ["Stacked Croo] Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now ["Stewart C. R] Martin Atkins [Jill Brand ] Re: That one guy I keep never having heard [Jeff Dwarf ] Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:50:06 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album On Dec 9, 2007 5:41 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 12/9/2007 7:21:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > spottedeagleray@gmail.com writes: > > Naw, it's interesting to read that-- can't recall reading Robyn say > anything about Young before. > > > you know - i was just thinking . .this is the SECOND time i've seen him > mentioning neil lately > - here from November 13th, 2007 : > > AVC: What do you think is the secret of having a career as long and > steady > as yours? > > > RH: You've got to want to do it, basically. It's got to be ingrained in > you > at a pretty deep level. I don't know that Neil Young would say thatb he'd > say > his own version of it. I guess we'll hear more and more of this from musicians of Robyn's generation who are still playing and writing. It's a bit mindboggling, but it's getting to the point where there's not that much difference between the 40-year-plus careers of your Youngs and Dylans and Reeds, and the 30-year-plus creative lives of Robyn, Elvis Costello, or, like, Wire, even. Weird. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:47:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album >I guess we'll hear more and more of this from musicians of Robyn's >generation who are still playing and writing. It's a bit mindboggling, but >it's getting to the point where there's not that much difference between the >40-year-plus careers of your Youngs and Dylans and Reeds, and the >30-year-plus creative lives of Robyn, Elvis Costello, or, like, Wire, even. I'm more curious as to how he knows what boiling a cat sounds like. Is this anything like the creepy girl's science project in "The Effect Of Gamma Rays On Man-In-the-Moon Marigolds"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:01:27 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:15 AM To: HwyCDRrev@aol.com; fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album >Robyn Hitchcock: > >"WELL, WELL, WELL" > >From the John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band album (December 1970) I guess we can log "WELL, WELL, WELL" into Robyn's favorite database. Others mentioned previously that I can think of are "Visions of Johanna" and "Dominoes". Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:47:32 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now don't think he'd consider that one obscure; but it's definitley one-third of my holy trinity, along with "Fairytale Of New York" and "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)". thanks for this, michael! don't always agree with your choices (not a fan of the new bebel gilberto, for instance -- although i did like the previous record), but you write those capsule-reviews better than anyone i know of. currently downloading: LOVE IS SIMPLE - Akron/Family THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE - Admiral Twin OUR EARTHLY PLEASURES - Maximo Park interested in many of the others, especially the "china dub soundsystem", but not able to find them on the usenet... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:55:57 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now Stacked Crooked says: > mentioned as well.> > > don't think he'd consider that one obscure; but it's definitley one-third > of my holy trinity, along with "Fairytale Of New York" and "Happy Xmas (War > Is Over)". isn't that an ELP song? it's a favourite christmas ditty. it's dark. like december. i heard it was banned, at least for a time, in england, but never knew whether to believe it. ty loves that waitresses christmas song, i don't know if it was mentioned. it's probably called ``the christmas song'' or somesuch. it kind of goes on and on. like december. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:06:00 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now On Dec 10, 2007 1:55 PM, lep wrote: > > ty loves that waitresses christmas song, i don't know if it was > mentioned. it's probably called ``the christmas song'' or somesuch. > it kind of goes on and on. like december. > "Christmas Wrapping". I hope you see what they did there. I hadn't thought much of the Waitresses until this year, when I heard "Make the Weather" for the first time. That's an awesome song. The rest of their stuff still strikes me as sort of slight, but that one alone made a compilation worthwhile. (Who knew the Waitresses were "20th Century Masters"?) Slow days on fegmania... either the Hannukah doldrums or a lean week for squid news, I guess. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:15:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now lep wrote: > Stacked Crooked says: > > > And there's the Kinks' Father Christmas, but that may already > > > have been mentioned as well. > > don't think he'd consider that one obscure; but it's definitley > > one-third of my holy trinity, along with "Fairytale Of New York" > > and "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)". > > isn't that an ELP song? The Pogues & Kirsty MacColl and John Lennon respectively. > it's a favourite christmas ditty. it's dark. like december. > > i heard it was banned, at least for a time, in england, but never > knew whether to believe it. > > ty loves that waitresses christmas song, i don't know if it was > mentioned. it's probably called ``the christmas song'' or > somesuch. it kind of goes on and on. like december. Christmas Wrapping. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:48:48 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now On Dec 10, 2007 3:55 PM, lep wrote: > Stacked Crooked says: > > > mentioned as well.> > > > > don't think he'd consider that one obscure; but it's definitley > one-third > > of my holy trinity, along with "Fairytale Of New York" and "Happy Xmas > (War > > Is Over)". > > isn't that an ELP song? I believe Lauren's "that" refers to "Father Christmas" - and the song she's thinking of is "I Believe in Father Christmas" which, in the grand old ELP tradition, rips off a classical melody (Prokofiev in this case, if I remember correctly). Greg Lake as Captain Obvious, equating his childhood loss of innocence and belief in Santa Claus to his adult loss of innocence and belief in God. But uh..."the Christmas we get we deserve"? Does that work for everyone? So, like, those bazillionaires deserve their gold-plated feces or whatever? (Seriously: there's a $25,000 dessert in NYC that involves eating gold. I thought David Cross was kidding.) It might sound dodgy now, but it sounds great when you're stoned. (Is that the first time anyone here's done the obvious back-to-the-source-phrase thing w/that one?) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:27:18 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: If my name were >(Seriously: there's a $25,000 dessert in NYC that involves eating gold. I >thought David Cross was kidding.) > >It might sound dodgy now, but it sounds great when you're stoned. And you can chase it with Goldschlager. Which is something I'd enthusiastically recommend to any nitwit too slow to figure out that putting heavy metals into your body is bad for you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:53 -0800 From: Rex Subject: That one guy I keep never having heard Just now for the first time knowingly hearing a Sufjan Stevens song... the cover of "Ring Them Bells" on the "I'm Not There" soundtrack. It's easily the worst thing on the record, containing at least seven hundred and twelve chord changes I don't recall from the original, so I guess my verdict on this guy is finally in. Do not want. - -Rex np Sufjan Ste... oh, never mind, I already said that... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: That one guy I keep never having heard Rex wrote: > Just now for the first time knowingly hearing a Sufjan Stevens > song... the cover of "Ring Them Bells" on the "I'm Not There" > soundtrack. It's easily the worst thing on the record, containing > at least seven hundred and twelve chord changes I don't recall > from the original, so I guess my verdict on this guy is finally > in. Do not want. Even worse than that Anthony & The Johnsons version of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" I heard a few days ago that was almost an argument in favor of gay-bashing, at least in his case? "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:01:59 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album 1. One of my fave albums -- I would never name it as top 3 or 5, but...like "Berlin," it may well be up there for me, but just too emotionally unsettling to think of immediately as a "fave" (although I DO always think of "Quadrophenia," and it's no sunny jangle-fest either)... 2. Great track and great, trenchant comments... and, 3. Thanks for the reminder of the AV Club interview; read it before, but forgot to say how much I appreciated this : It's like the stateroom scene in Night At The Opera: "Okay! Who ordered the double album?" Any ol' Marx Bros. reference is okey-dokey by me! Michael "'I'm the engineer - I'm here to turn off the heat.' 'Well, you can start right in on him...'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:06:25 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: That one guy I keep never having heard On Dec 10, 2007 4:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Rex wrote: > > Just now for the first time knowingly hearing a Sufjan Stevens > > song... the cover of "Ring Them Bells" on the "I'm Not There" > > soundtrack. It's easily the worst thing on the record, containing > > at least seven hundred and twelve chord changes I don't recall > > from the original, so I guess my verdict on this guy is finally > > in. Do not want. > > Even worse than that Anthony & The Johnsons version of "Knockin' on > Heaven's Door" I heard a few days ago that was almost an argument in > favor of gay-bashing, at least in his case? > That's the one artist on the soundtrack that I haven't even heard of, actually. I haven't gotten to that track yet, although I was getting the feeling from some of the Amazon user reviews that they were actually a good deal more well known than many of the folks whose songs I did actually want to hear. I guess I'm not missing any kind of anything. I would thing a horrible recording by a gay artist would generally be more of an argument in favor or horrible-recording-creator-bashing than anything else, but what do I know... - -Rex, in it for the SY/Verlaine content as much as anything else ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:10:30 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Today Robyn Hitchcock picks a track from the Plastic Ono Band album kevin sez: >>Robyn Hitchcock:>>>>"WELL, WELL, WELL">>>>From the John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band album (December 1970) > >But now I want to know what his favorite Barry Manilow tune is. "Copa-crab-ana," of course... Michael "Either that, or 'I Write the Songs (that make the young girls sing about crustaceans and insects)'" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:26:47 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: That one guy I keep never having heard On 12/10/07, Rex wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 4:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Rex wrote: > > > Just now for the first time knowingly hearing a Sufjan Stevens > > > song... the cover of "Ring Them Bells" on the "I'm Not There" > > > soundtrack. It's easily the worst thing on the record, containing > > > at least seven hundred and twelve chord changes I don't recall > > > from the original, so I guess my verdict on this guy is finally > > > in. Do not want. I'm not going to recommend Stevens' work to you, but I will say that his version of that song exemplifies his worst tendencies rather than his better ones. Dylan is not the place to include every bell and whistle (accidental pun), and his arrangement here reminds me of the overeager Sunday School music student trying to impress his teacher. (I know Stevens-haters are going to pounce on that line, because yeah, at his worst, that's exactly h is problem.) > Even worse than that Anthony & The Johnsons version of "Knockin' on > > Heaven's Door" I heard a few days ago that was almost an argument in > > favor of gay-bashing, at least in his case? Can we now discuss which awful songs by Jewish artists constitute arguments for gassing, at least in their case; which awful songs by black artists constitute arguments for lynching, at least in their case; which awful songs by female artists constitute arguments for rape, at least in their case; and so on? No? Oh I'm sorry - I was born without the humor gene. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:36:10 -0600 From: Steve Schiavo Subject: Go negative - - Steve _______________ Consciousness occurs at the fundamental level of Planck scale geometry, normally in and around microtubules between our ears. But when brain coherence is lost, quantum information related to consciousness and the unconscious mind remain in the universe, distributed but still entangled. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:08:48 -0800 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now wow, this is fucking amazing. all y'all, run (don't walk) to your nearest usenet repository, and download this thing just as soon as you dare. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:02:24 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: If my name were "Eb", I'd be half-way to Dallas by now Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > wow, this is fucking amazing. If anything, "Meek Warrior" is better, if you can get past the free jazz noise bits. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Martin Atkins Michael Wells wrote this in his "best of" list: "Martin Atkin's China Dub Soundsystem. Longtime industrial heavy (PIL, Ministry, etc) hits China with a tape recorder and gets his mind blown by all the stuff erupting in the fake "free" time before the Olympics. Mixed back at his lab here in Chicago, it is unreal (if a bit overwhelming)." I knew Martin back in the day. I was even on PIL's guestlist for a while. None of this had anything to do with me. My friend Steven, who was completely obsessed with PIL (but really with John Lydon), inveigled his way into Martin's life, so I became "the Boston friend." I used to bake him cookies and stuff when PIL and Brian Brain came to town. He was unbelievably friendly, and often very drunk. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:20:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: That one guy I keep never having heard 2fs wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 4:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Even worse than that Anthony & The Johnsons version > > > of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" I heard a few days ago that > > > was almost an argument in favor of gay-bashing, at least in > > > his case? > [snip] > No? Oh I'm sorry - I was born without the humor gene. Nah; the joke just didn't transfer as well to heterotyping from homotalking -- it's a gay co-workers joke. Or it didn't apply as well to Anthony as to it's previous target (Larry Craig). Anthony does sing like a moose taking a shit though. With apologies to moose everywhere. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:19:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: That one guy I keep never having heard 2fs wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2007 4:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Even worse than that Anthony & The Johnsons version > > > of "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" I heard a few days ago that > > > was almost an argument in favor of gay-bashing, at least in > > > his case? > [snip] > No? Oh I'm sorry - I was born without the humor gene. Nah; the joke just didn't transfer as well to heterotyping from homotalking -- it's a gay co-workers joke. Or it didn't apply as well to Anthony as to it's previous target (Larry Craig). Anthony does sing like a moose taking a shit though. With apologies to moose everywhere. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:35:51 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: That one guy I keep never having heard On 12/11/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > Anthony does sing like a moose taking a shit though. The moose that sings while shitting - that was in one of those Bjork videos, right? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:44:46 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Knockin' on Heaven's Johnsons Okay, that was pretty bad, but not as bad as the Guns 'N' Roses version, which, sadly most humans seem to find definitive. That and the presence of Cat Power on the soundtrack reminded me of yet another squicky aspect of what was certainly the most mortifying live performance I ever witnessed, which was of course Cat Power in the slot before Television at All Tomorrow's Parties seven or eight years ago. When she (sort of) played (part of) "Knockin' on Heaven's Door", the audience, which was already bothersome enough, actually sang the Axl Rose "Hayyy Hayyy Hay-Hay-Hayyyy" parts for her. Some were doing it because they were hating on her, I assume, but surely some of them believed it to be the Correct Thing to Do. Were it not for Television, I think the whole sorry spectacle woud've made me want to kill all humans. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #424 ********************************