From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #421 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, December 7 2007 Volume 16 : Number 421 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: that's odd... [Rex ] Re: gothgirls [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #420 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Tom Lehrer and a misread [Jill Brand ] Christmas songs [Jill Brand ] Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) [Carrie Galbraith <] Re: Ironic Detachment ["Bri N" ] Re: Tom Lehrer and a misread [Rex ] Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) ["Melissa Higuchi" ] Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) [Rex ] Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) [2fs ] reap [Christopher Gross ] Re: reap [kevin ] Un-Reap [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:08:32 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: that's odd... On Dec 6, 2007 11:43 AM, 2fs wrote: > > > > I class Sonic Youth as later than Wire. "Two People in a Room" is the > > blueprint for SY, to my ears, quite a few years beforehand. > > > > I never would have thought of Wire as any sort of blueprint for SY...and > at first, thinking of the Wire song you name, I couldn't hear it at all. > > Until my mental jukebox came upon "'Cross the Breeze" - that'd make a > pretty fine segue! > Very little else by Wire relates to Sonic Youth (except in general experimentalism) to my ears, but the first time I heard "Two People", I thought, holy shit, that's half of "Daydream Nation" right there. Or "Sister"... think "Stereo Sanctity", f'rinstance. Wire really invented a lot of shit. For reals, I mean, more than most bands that get credited with doing so. Usually when someone mentions a pop band as being the "first" to do something, you can find a pretty clear antecedent somewhere else. And you can trace a lot of Wire to Krautrock or various other art-rock forebearers... but there's a hell of a lot on those first three albums alone that seems to have just sprung forth, as it were, self-living. My god, they're so gifted! - -Rex - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:34:21 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: gothgirls >On 05/12/2007, kevin wrote: > > > > >...the fact that Karen Ellis is a limey goth probably has something to do > > with it too. > > > >You say that like it's a bad thing! > >c* > >(who has to admit to having a fascination with GothGirls... mmmm >evil-licious!) me too - as a quick glance at some of my paintings will testify! (several of the ones at will give some idea of what I mean). James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:34:11 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #420 > >neighbour is looking for obscure xmas songs. please begin submission > >process...now! > >Lionel Hampton, "Boogie Woogie Santa Claus" >Yorgi Yorgeson, "I Yust Go Nuts At Christmas" >Canned Heat & the Chipmunks, "Christmas Boogie" *Snoop Dogg - "Christmas is coming to the ghetto" *Joni Mitchell - "River" *Jethro Tull - "Another Christmas song" plus of course my all time favourites: *Jona Lewie - "Stop the cavalry" *John Cale - "A child's Christmas in Wales" *Martin Newell - "Christmas in suburbia" ...and to cross the threads: *Tom Lehrer - "A Christmas carol" Seems like we go through this every year - try checking the feg archives. James (disapproval would be folly) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:38:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Tom Lehrer and a misread I always thought that Vatican Rag and New Math were the two Tom Lehrer biggies. Maybe it depends on your age. They were all the rage in the mid-60s with my parents' generation (while I was a youngster). I think Rex wrote this: "That would've been Ex-Lion Tamer, and you have the story spot-on." I read "Ex-Lion Tamer" as "Ex-Loin Tamer." It looked pretty interesting on first glance. Oh, yeah, as I was driving home, WFNX in Boston played Balloon Man. I can't remember the last time I heard Robyn on the radio (I'm excluding This American Life's playing of Raymond Chandler Evening). Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:44:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Christmas songs Has anyone mentioned Colin Meloy's version of Please Daddy, Don't Get Drunk This Christmas? And there's the Kinks' Father Christmas, but that may already have been mentioned as well. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:15:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) - -----Original Message----- >> Transylvanian Xmas - Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper >> >Must to add, although it's not easy to find (unless you ask me): > >"Reggae Christmas Eve in Transylvania", Count Floyd I was just having nostalgic thoughts this morning for Transylvania. Thinking of how it'd be gray and cold by now, snowing. Oddly enough, I find myself missing Romania quite often. OK, back to the annual obscure xmas song listing. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:48:27 -0800 From: "Bri N" Subject: Re: Ironic Detachment Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:46:30 -0800 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #405 > On 11/19/07, Bri N wrote: > > > > The Fegmaniac formerly known as the human mellotron wrote: > > > > >(and, heck, 'If You Were a Priest' for The Monochrome Set > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > Hmm yes! But I'd rather hear them do "Do Policemen Sing" > > > How 'bout "My Favorite Buildings", fleshed out a bit? I don't know. Bid doesn't really do emotions well. He's one of those singers that can do one thing very, very well. In his case, it's ironic detachment, which is why the re-formed band doesn't work quite so much for me. - ------------------------- While I'm a bigger fan of The Monochrome Set's late 70's and early 80's output, there is still something great about the 90's reformed band stuff. It's certainly more mature than the early stuff. I think Bid's vocals do work outside the ironic detachmant mode, though that is his speciality. The crooning vocals on Achilles (off 1994's Misere) and Bliss (1995's Trinity Road) are really top notch. I don't know if you've kept up with Bid's newer project, Scarlet's Well, but he proves he can do much more than 1 mode within these albums (I recommend Isle Of The Blue Flowers and Black Tulip Wings- very worthy albums). - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:33:52 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer and a misread On Dec 6, 2007 2:38 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > > I read "Ex-Lion Tamer" as "Ex-Loin Tamer." It looked pretty interesting > on first glance. > Kind of poignant. It's always a bit sad to realize that your loin-taming days are over. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:24:29 -0000 (GMT) From: "Melissa Higuchi" Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) > neighbour is looking for obscure xmas songs. please begin submission > process...now! > the John Waters christmas cd - Santa Claus is a Black Man is our favorite http://www.amazon.com/John-Waters-Christmas-Various-Artists/dp/B00065GHWE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1196983040&sr=8-1 also there's a Paul Kelly song How to Make Gravy that's a guy calling home from prison on Christmas day. melissa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:25:59 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) On Dec 6, 2007 3:15 PM, Carrie Galbraith wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > >> Transylvanian Xmas - Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper > >> > >Must to add, although it's not easy to find (unless you ask me): > > > >"Reggae Christmas Eve in Transylvania", Count Floyd > > > I was just having nostalgic thoughts this morning for Transylvania. > Thinking of how it'd be gray and cold by now, snowing. Oddly enough, I find > myself missing Romania quite often. > I'm sure the Count's tune would in no way feed your nostalgia, sadly. The best couplet goes, "Instead we were treated to songs about ganja / So the crowd hollered out "Go away, we don't wanja!" Here's the sound of me failing to merge threads as artfully as others: of course the very best Christmas song by Wire is... umm... - -Rex (12XMas? Nah, that looks like Spanish math.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:33:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) >I was just having nostalgic thoughts this morning for Transylvania. Thinking of how it'd be gray and cold by now, snowing. Oddly enough, I find myself missing Romania quite often. Ah, the children of the night - what Xmas music they make... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:35:10 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) >(12XMas? Nah, that looks like Spanish math.) Or as Tom Waits would say, "harder than Chinese algebra." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) Two non-Christmas songs that feel oddly Christmassy to me: The Housemartins "Caravan of Love" Blur "The Universal" (which sounds like the lost theme from the Clockwork Orange Christmas special, though that could be partially because of the video). "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:23:22 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: that's odd... On 12/6/07, Rex wrote: > > > Wire really invented a lot of shit. For reals, I mean, more than most > bands that get credited with doing so. Usually when someone mentions a pop > band as being the "first" to do something, you can find a pretty clear > antecedent somewhere else. And you can trace a lot of Wire to Krautrock or > various other art-rock forebearers... but there's a hell of a lot on those > first three albums alone that seems to have just sprung forth, as it were, > self-living. My god, they're so gifted! > Which reminds me - one of the rarest items in the Wire catalog is their Christmas album. Only a few copies are known to exist - here's a tracklist: Two Presents in a Room Snow in My Joints Fat Man Blurred Three Gift Rhumba 1 2 Xmas U Mr. Red Suit Dot Dasher Sleigh Chasers Jingling Tongues Pink Tree* Mincemeat Bingos Our Santa Bell Bell Bell (Dugga-Dugga-Dugga) No Reindeer on the Ice You Hung Your Stockings on the Mantle/A Christmas Touch It was released late in 2001 in an exclusive edition of 100 copies, via posteverything.com, under the title _My God You're So Gifted!_. Very hard to find. The packaging was quite wonderful too: Bruce Gilbert dressed up like Santa, Robert Gotobed/Grey in an Ebenezer Scrooge costume, Graham Lewis as an elf, and Colin Newman as...Mrs. Claus! Quite a riot. * this one was a bit controversial...some misinterpreted the meaning of the title. As far as Christmas releases by early post-punk bands go, this has it all over the infamous Gang of Four Christmas release...which was a single of "Return the Gift" given away to striking workers whose packaging consisted of nothing but a manifesto on why Christmas was a capitalist ploy to sucker the working class into submission. Damned humorless Marxists. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:31:01 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Please to make a goddam list (and check it twice) On 12/5/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > neighbour is looking for obscure xmas songs. please begin submission > process...now! My friend Steve makes a mix every year - his latest is up (for the next 6 days) as a yousendit file: . Note also that he's been posting selections from older mixes on a daily, "advent calendar" basis - so you'll end up with about 60 songs by the end of the month. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:18:53 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: probably posted already - possibly by me _http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/47335-i-wanna-go-backward s_ (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/47335-i-wanna-go-backwards) but it doesn't look familiar box set review - pitchfork 3 more reviews at the bottom **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:03:37 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: gothgirls James says: re: goth girls: > me too - as a quick glance at some of my paintings will testify! > (several of the ones at > will give some idea > of what I mean). they're lovely. the landscapes are very nice as well; i like the simplicity with the intense colours. i was thinking you have an awful lot of goth girls out and about in NZ, but then i saw the explanation of the term "Drift-netting", so maybe fewer than i thought. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: reap Karlheinz Stockhausen, 79. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7133571.stm ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:15:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: reap >Subject: reap > >Karlheinz Stockhausen, 79. > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7133571.stm Well, that sucks. The world just got a little more pedestrian. I appreciate them running his obit in the "entertainment" section though. Mikrophonie rocks! np Frank Zappa/Jean-Luc Ponty, "Canard du jour" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Un-Reap Kevin Everett's complete leg paralysis http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bills-everettwalking&prov=ap&type=lgns "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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