From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #419 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, December 5 2007 Volume 16 : Number 419 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: that's odd... [Rex ] Syd Barrett [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Tom Lehrer, 1952 [hssmrg@bath.ac.uk] Re: Tom Lehrer, 1952 [craigie* ] Re: Syd Barrett [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content [kevin ] Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content [Rex ] Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content [kevin ] quote of the day [lep ] Re: that's odd... [lep ] Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content [Rex ] Re: that's odd... [Rex ] Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content ["Jason Brown" Subject: Re: that's odd... On Dec 3, 2007 2:55 PM, 2fs wrote: > > (Also: I can't be the only one who can't see the word "Reuters" without > thinking of the Wire song, can I?) Nope. That song is almost certainly the first place I encountered the word. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:57:29 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Syd Barrett > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:44:22 EST > From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com > Subject: more syd/robyn > _Syd Barrett_ (http://www.furious.com/perfect/sydbarrett.html) > Early days of the crazy diamond _Barrett-Hitckcock_ > (http://www.furious.com/perfect/barretthitchcock.html) The Syd & > Robyn connection * Oh 'tattered'! I've been hearing that as 'tattooed' since 1970... Thanks for this, Hwy. - - Mike Godwin, about to check out that Tom Lehrer site ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:27:41 +0000 From: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Subject: Tom Lehrer, 1952 Many thanks for this link, Lauren! I particularly liked 'S is one half of gt squared', 'The derivative song' and 'Any questions'. - - Mike Godwin n.p. The Slide Rule Song ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:14:06 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer, 1952 Funny, I always thought that his most popular songs in England were 'The Masochism Tango' and 'Poisoning Pigeons In The Park'. Oh. Just me then. c* On 05/12/2007, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Many thanks for this link, Lauren! > > > I particularly liked 'S is one half of gt squared', 'The derivative > song' and 'Any questions'. > > - Mike Godwin > > n.p. The Slide Rule Song > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:26:00 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: Re: Syd Barrett me too ! In a message dated 12/5/2007 5:28:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hssmrg@bath.ac.uk writes: * Oh 'tattered'! I've been hearing that as 'tattooed' since 1970... **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:02:19 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content I love Planet Karen: http://planetkaren.girl-wonder.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:09:59 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content On Dec 5, 2007 9:02 AM, kevin wrote: > I love Planet Karen: > > http://planetkaren.girl-wonder.org/ > These are funny, yes, but I still experience mild cognitive dissonance when western artists do western-style comedy (or what-have-you) using anime/manga-stylized artwork. No, there's no reason why they shouldn't, and yes, it's been going on for a while now; it just still seems weird to me, maybe because when I was a kid you could be pretty sure there wasn't going to be a Star Blazers / Jabberjaws crossover. Or maybe because it seems like there's something vaguely culturally fetishistic about it (and no, I'm not even sure there's anything wrong with that, either). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: kevin Subject: Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content >These are funny, yes, but I still experience mild cognitive dissonance when >western artists do western-style comedy (or what-have-you) using >anime/manga-stylized artwork. No, there's no reason why they shouldn't, and >yes, it's been going on for a while now; it just still seems weird to me, >maybe because when I was a kid you could be pretty sure there wasn't going >to be a Star Blazers / Jabberjaws crossover. Or maybe because it seems like >there's something vaguely culturally fetishistic about it (and no, I'm not >even sure there's anything wrong with that, either). I often feel the same, and I suspect an age gap at work. The kids these days seem to regard the manga style as the way comics ought to look, as opposed to old farts who were raised on DC styles from the fifties. Me, I still have a huge soft spot for the holy trinity of Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby and Gil Kane, but that's a pretty dated perspective these daze...the fact that Karen Ellis is a limey goth probably has something to do with it too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:33:16 -0500 From: lep Subject: quote of the day hi feglist, a twist to the usual story: i requested to be put on someone's e-mail joke list (because the jokes he sends are (in a twist to the usual story) actually funny.) he sends out a quote of the day. since it's been a slow week here on feglist, i thought i'd share to-day's: << "Magnetism is one of the Six Fundamental Forces of the Universe, with the other five being Gravity, Duct Tape, Whining, Remote Control, and The Force That Pulls Dogs Toward The Groins Of Strangers." Dave Barry >> also trying to raise to raise my ratio of [actually funny] / [i think are funny] postings. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:35:25 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: that's odd... 2fs says: > (Also: I can't be the only one who can't see the word "Reuters" without > thinking of the Wire song, can I?) here, too. i'm terrified that this means i might not be british. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:17:35 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content On Dec 5, 2007 10:45 AM, kevin wrote: > > > I often feel the same, and I suspect an age gap at work. The kids these > days seem to regard the manga style as the way comics ought to look, as > opposed to old farts who were raised on DC styles from the fifties. But don't the regular old superhero titles keep trundling along, reboots notwithstanding, with relatively traditional drawing styles? I don't keep up with this stuff, but whenever I see a page from one of the newer issues of the older titles, the last time probably being around the time of "Captain America dies", they look pretty conventional.l > Me, I still have a huge soft spot for the holy trinity of Steve Ditko, > Jack Kirby and Gil Kane, but that's a pretty dated perspective these daze... My comics phase pretty much ran from the mid '70's, when shit was pretty boring and unlovely, through the mid '80's when a lot of interesting stuff was starting to happen in indie comics and some of the superhero titles (a lot of the artists were British), and for some reason I really gravitated towards the detail-intensive weirdo artists of that period, like Scienwicz (?) and Frank Miller and that guy Kevin O'Neil who did "Nemesis the Warlock"*, and the slightly less weird but still detaily Tim Truman** and John Byrne types. I kinda appreciated those Dikto and Kirby styles for "historical" interest reasons, but what I was really into was anything where high-detail met extreme quirk. Superhero books were pretty much by-the-numbers most of the time around then. - -Rex *Failing to keep off-topic, being reminded of "Nemesis" prompted me to do a quick Google search and reminded me that as that series developed, a lot of it revolved around Nemesis's son, who was named, feggily enough, Thoth. I also discovered that the first Nemesis story was actually part of a proposed series of shorts in 2000AD based off of rock songs... in its particular case, "Going Underground" by the Jam, which I found kind of interesting since my comics period stopped cold a year or so before I cultivated any sort of interest in rock music of any kind. Nemesis was weird, deifinitely Thatcher-paranoid in a way that fits in with a lot of the good post-punk of its day. Parts of it were incredibly stupid, but it was always fascinating to look at. **West Virginia in the house. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:23:24 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: that's odd... On Dec 5, 2007 11:35 AM, lep wrote: > 2fs says: > > (Also: I can't be the only one who can't see the word "Reuters" without > > thinking of the Wire song, can I?) > > here, too. > > i'm terrified that this means i might not be british. > I thought about it for a while, and decided that since, for the first 18 years of my life, first hearing of "Pink Flag" inclusive, the only newspapers I saw were small town local rags and the occasional complimentary hotel room USA Today when on vacation, and otherwise experienced news on TV and later cable, it makes sense that I wouldn't have seen Reuters as the name of a news organization. And if I heard it, on CNN or somewhere, I probably didn't imagine it to be spelled any way other than "Roiters". So I give myself a pass, and remain potentially British. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:45:59 -0800 From: "Jason Brown" Subject: Re: Guaranteed No Hitchcock Content > But don't the regular old superhero titles keep trundling along, reboots > notwithstanding, with relatively traditional drawing styles? I don't keep > up with this stuff, but whenever I see a page from one of the newer issues > of the older titles, the last time probably being around the time of > "Captain America dies", they look pretty conventional.l Kids these days don't read superhero comics. Superhero comics are read primarily by guys in their 30s and 40s with excess disposable income (myself included). Kids read Japanese Manga by the truckload, check out the huge sections of it a most large bookstores. Most American comics hew to the traditional style, but there are alot of more indie artists using a Manga influenced style like Becky Cloonan on Demo or Bryan Lee O'Malley on Scott Pilgrim. > that guy Kevin O'Neil who did "Nemesis the Warlock"*, Kevin O'Neill is still around. I whole heartedly recomend his work with Alan Moore on The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen books, which in spite of the ohorrendous film they spawned are really fantastic. - -- "Never go with a hippie to a second location." - Jack Donaghy ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #419 ********************************