From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #409 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, November 23 2007 Volume 16 : Number 409 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Happy Turkey Day... pass the candied Amine Beta Ring, please [Tom Cla] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #408 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Happy Turkey Day... pass the candied Amine Beta Ring, please [Rex ] Re: Somebody shoot me [2fs ] november 22 - Beatles / JFK [HwyCDRrev@aol.com] Wire [2fs ] Re: Wire [Rex ] Re: Wire [2fs ] Robyn in the New York Times [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #408 [craigie* ] Ten Years After - Recorded Live (0% RH) [cakrm@comcast.net] Re: Wire [Rex ] oops... [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: Bible question [Michael Sweeney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:44:44 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Happy Turkey Day... pass the candied Amine Beta Ring, please On Nov 22, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Rex wrote: > On 11/21/07, Michael Sweeney wrote: > >> >> ...I'd wager a fair amount that if X = the total amount of copies >> of "Metal >> Machine Music" ever sold, then X - Y (where Y < 5,000) would = the >> total >> copies of "MMM" played only once (or even only partially)... > > I suggest, then, that we all adopt Thanksgiving as our Annual Listen > to MMM All the Way Through Day. That'll throw the curve in a few > years. > Do I play it before or after "Alice's Restaurant"? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:31:54 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #408 > > Favorite more-or-less contemporary Cohen tune is something he's >never released - a live performance of "Closing Time" from some >late-nite Canadian TV show I picked up while recording a lot of the >(uncensored!) Kids In the Hall shows from the BBC out of Vancouver >back in the 90s. It's a lo-fi tape of a mono broadcast but it just >smokes. Leonard was hot that night and the band was tight - two >fiddles, cheesy keyboards and all. It manages to be intensely >personal and a prophetic rant at the same time. > >this is a really good way to put it. i've been thinking about this >for the last few days, in part because i've been listening to some >cohen albums. this kind of explains my fascination with songs like >"first we take manhattan." i mean, when he says "we", i'm never quite >sure who he means. he has that habit of going from some intensely >personal detail in one line to straightaway apocalypse in the next. >with both love and war. > >take the line ``i don't like what happened to my sister'' in contrast >to ``i'm guided by this birthmark on my skin.'' > >i mean, what's the deal in that song? is he talking about the u.s.? >modern civilization? ancient civilization? himself? some cult he >joined last week? Okay... now this is a completely personal take on the song, not backed up by any information other than my interpretation of the lyrics, but I've always seen it as being the words of a bitter and somewhat slightly deranged Holocaust survivor. That ties in with the "one of those in the line moving through the station", leaving the "birthmark" of the tattooed number. > You may be interested to learn that I know the real John Key and why he > came > in for such vitriol... Interesting... John Key comes in for a bit of flak in these quarters, too - but presumably a different John Key... (see ) James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:05:34 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Happy Turkey Day... pass the candied Amine Beta Ring, please On 11/22/07, Tom Clark wrote: > > I suggest, then, that we all adopt Thanksgiving as our Annual Listen > > to MMM All the Way Through Day. That'll throw the curve in a few > > years. > > > > Do I play it before or after "Alice's Restaurant"? Simultaneously, of course... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:24:05 -0000 From: Dr John Halewood Subject: RE: Somebody shoot me James muttered under his breath: > I somewhere have a double-CD boot consisting of four live versions of > "Sister Ray". That would probably work wonders, too. Failing that, > there's always my trusty Alec Empire "Intelligence and Sacrifice" > CD... > > Or if you want to fight banal with weird but tuneful, just crank the > Residents' Commercial Album up to full bore on random shuffle. I always found that putting on a Faust LP (any one would do, but either the Faust Tapes or the first album worked best) was always a good way of clearing the wheat from the chaff at parties. It also served to get rid of the resident Canadian ("hey you got any Rush ehhhh?")* chhers john *with apologies to Canadians who don't all like Rush and have that speech impediment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:45:16 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Somebody shoot me On 11/22/07, Dr John Halewood wrote: > > James muttered under his breath Did you study the lines on his face? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:02:05 EST From: HwyCDRrev@aol.com Subject: november 22 - Beatles / JFK TODAY : the anniversary of beatles white album 2LP 11/22/68 with the beatles UK LP 11/22/63 the JFK assassination 11/22/63 i found this interesting : (go here for photo) <_http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/opinion/22holland.html?th&emc=th_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/opinion/22holland.html?th&emc=th) > J.F.K.bs Death, Re-Framed By MAX HOLLAND and JOHANN RUSH Published: November 22, 2007 FORTY-FOUR years ago today, a clothing company owner named Abraham Zapruder filmed the assassination of John F. Kennedy in Dallas. And for 44 years, most people have presumed that his home movie captured the assassination in its entirety. This presumption has led to deep misunderstandings. The majority of witnesses in Dealey Plaza heard three shots fired. Lawmen found three cartridges in Lee Harvey Oswaldbs nest on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Yet Zapruderbs film captured only two shots clearly. As a result, the film has been scoured for evidence of another shot, presumably the first one fired at the president. Research has yielded contradictory findings. But what if Zapruder simply hadnbt turned on his camera in time? Zapruderbs 26-second movie has two distinct parts. Approximately seven seconds after he started filming from the north side of Elm Street, Zapruder stopped his Bell & Howell Zoomatic at frame 132 because only Dallas police motorcycles were driving by. He did not restart his camera until the presidentbs limousine was clearly in view. Consequently, Z 133 is the first frame to actually show the presidentbs Lincoln b a frame exposed several seconds after the car had made the sharp turn onto Elm Street from Houston Street b and, we believe, after Oswald had squeezed off his first shot. Several witnesses saw a man firing from the sixth floor. No onebs recollection about the first shot was more precise, though, than that of a ninth grader named Amos L. Euins. He told the Dallas County sheriff, bAbout the time the car got near the black and white sign, I heard a shot.b As the above photograph from a December 1963 restaging shows, the presidentbs limousine would have passed a black and white sign before Zapruder restarted his camera (the ghost image here approximates the location of the Lincoln at the moment Zapruder started filming again). If one discards the notion that Zapruder recorded the shooting sequence in full, it has the virtue of solving several puzzles that have consistently defied explanation. The most exasperating one is how did Oswald, who was able to hit President Kennedy in his upper back at a distance of around 190 feet, and then in the head at a distance of 265 feet, manage to miss so badly on the first and closest shot? A first shot earlier than anyone has ever posited gives a plausible answer. About 1.4 seconds before Zapruder restarted filming, a horizontal traffic mast extending over Elm Street temporarily obscured Oswaldbs view of his target. That mast was never examined during any of the official investigations. Yet if this mast deflected the first shot, that would surely explain why the bullet missed not only the president, but the whole limousine. Significantly, the highway sign cited by Amos Euins was just a few feet west of the traffic light bs vertical post in 1963. In May 1964, with the help of surveyors, the Warren Commission first considered the idea that a shot could have been fired before Zapruder restarted his camera. The commission later heard testimony that included references to what the staff labeled bPosition A.b It did not appear on the Zapruder film, but represented the bfirst point at which a person in the sixth-floor window of the book building ... could have gotten a shot at the president after the car had rounded the corner.b If the commission had followed up this insight, it would have conceivably been able to describe the duration and intervals of the shooting sequence: that Oswald fired three shots in approximately 11.2 seconds, with intervals of 6.3 seconds and 4.9 seconds between the shots. Why would this have mattered? Because the lack of a clear explanation for the shooting sequence was a key reason the Warren Report fell into disrepute. And why has it taken so long to realize that the assassination and the Zapruder film are not one and the same? Part of the answer lies in the power of the film itself. As the critic Richard B. Woodward wrote in The Times in 2003, the assassination became bfused with one representation, so much so that Kennedybs death is virtually unimaginable without Zapruderbs film.b To that, one has to add the element of distraction. The Warren Commission did not pursue its May 1964 insight because it was fixated not on the shot that missed but on the ones that killed the president. If this belated revelation changes nothing from one perspective b Oswald still did it b it simultaneously changes everything, if only because it disrupts the state of mind of everyone who has ever been transfixed by the Zapruder film. The film, we realize, does not depict an assassination about to commence. It shows one that had already started. Max Holland is the author of bThe Kennedy Assassination Tapes.b Johann Rush, a television photographer, filmed Lee Harvey Oswald demonstrating in August 1963. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:37:32 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Wire There are Wire fans here, no? They have a new EP - _Read & Burn 3_. Plus, they're working on a new full-length - with no tracks to be repeated from the EP. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:05:00 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Wire On 11/22/07, 2fs wrote: > There are Wire fans here, no? > > They have a new EP - _Read & Burn 3_. Plus, they're working on a new > full-length - with no tracks to be repeated from the EP. > > Holy shit-- seems like just last year they went on "official hiatus" with Bruce Gilbert bowing out. Acutally, I think it *was* last year that that happened. I would call this Wire Mark 4 (or 5) if not for them continuing the "Read and Burn" series. - -Rex, just back from Dylan movie. It was good. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:13:54 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Wire On 11/23/07, Rex wrote: > > On 11/22/07, 2fs wrote: > > There are Wire fans here, no? > > > > They have a new EP - _Read & Burn 3_. Plus, they're working on a new > > full-length - with no tracks to be repeated from the EP. > > > > > > Holy shit-- seems like just last year they went on "official hiatus" > with Bruce Gilbert bowing out. I now can't recall whether Gilbert ever officially left - I seem to recall there was some interview w/Newman wherein he said as much - but then, nearly at the same time, someone said (and it might have been Newman again!) that, well, Gilbert was still on the payroll so, no, he hadn't left. Maybe it was like Ringo - left for a few days, came back, etc. I'm curious to hear what they sound like now - actually, there are samples at one of those websites, but I'm perverse that way, and I'm waiting till my copy arrives. Partly I'm curious because I suspect if Gilbert left, it was because this version of Wire didn't seem to be progressing from its start point as much as earlier versions - maybe he felt stuck. It's seemed to me that he's the msot avant-garde of the bunch, the least satisfied to do the same thing. (I'd say Newman's the most conventional...and then I remember the second He Said CD (Lewis) which was almost shockingly dance-poppy) Anyway, should be interesting... Back to my experiments making an acoustic guitar sound like something from Brian Eno's graveyard... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:35:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Robyn in the New York Times From their review of boxsets to buy for the people you like or have to like this Saturnalia season: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/23/arts/music/23boxe.html?th&emc=th ROBYN HITCHCOCK I Wanna Go Backwards With lyrics hovering between revelation and doggerel, and tunes that prize both the concision of mid-1960s rock and the playfulness of psychedelia, Robyn Hitchcocks songs mingle strangeness and clarity. This set reissues, and adds outtakes to, solo albums from the early 1980s  Black Snake Diamond Role, I Often Dream of Trains and the stripped-down Eye  that seesaw between flippancy and ache. Two discs of demos, including some songs he never revisited, are even more exposed. Wry as the songs might be, no one could mistake them for mere whimsy. (Yep Roc. Five CDs. $39.99 download, $49.99 CD, $99.99 vinyl.) JON PARELES "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:37:27 +0000 From: craigie* Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #408 On 22/11/2007, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > You may be interested to learn that I know the real John Key and why he > > came > > in for such vitriol... > > Interesting... John Key comes in for a bit of flak in these quarters, > too - but presumably a different John Key... (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key) A different John Key, yes... the MES vitriol-recipient in question lives in Prestwich and is a big Psychedelic/Garage fan... he introduced me to Robyn's music IIRC... Anyway, John and MES had, um, a difference of opinion regarding Psyche/Garage origins (or something) and there's no love lost between them... John thinks MES is a posey bastard, basically... c* - -- > first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:45:18 +0000 From: cakrm@comcast.net Subject: Ten Years After - Recorded Live (0% RH) A friend is looking for the best, most complete version of Ten Years After- Recorded Live Must Have no edit to the I Can' t Keep From From Crying Sometime- Extension On One Chord. Also should have Hobbit and best sound quality. I thought the assembled wisdom of fegmaniax might be able to advise. Thanks, Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:16:39 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: Wire On 11/22/07, 2fs wrote: > On 11/23/07, Rex wrote: > > On 11/22/07, 2fs wrote: > > > There are Wire fans here, no? > > > > > > They have a new EP - _Read & Burn 3_. Plus, they're working on a new > > > full-length - with no tracks to be repeated from the EP. > > > > > > > > > > Holy shit-- seems like just last year they went on "official hiatus" > > with Bruce Gilbert bowing out. > > I now can't recall whether Gilbert ever officially left - I seem to recall > there was some interview w/Newman wherein he said as much - but then, nearly > at the same time, someone said (and it might have been Newman again!) that, > well, Gilbert was still on the payroll so, no, he hadn't left. I thought it was actualy chalked up to poor health, vaguely but ominously. As ever, I am interested int whatever these people do. Or maybe I'm just trying to de-lurk Miles yet again. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:40:03 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: oops... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:59:50 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: Re: Bible question Rex wrote: >The workweek is almost mercifully over, is all I know. Howzat Bobby Dillonmovie look to you guys?< I get the Roger Ebert e-mail editions on Fridays (esp. helpful on cold, lazy days like today, saving me a walk to the corner and 50 cents)...and, as it was opening and the graphics were catching up, at first it appeared that he rated "I'm Not There" a mere 1/2 star...then it all caught up and instead revealed a 3-1/2 stars (out of 4) rating. My overall point? I would not have been really surprised by either rating... Michael "I dreamed I saw St. Augustine...in IMAX 3D with Dolby Digital sound" Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #409 ********************************