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fegmaniax-digest       Sunday, November 18 2007       Volume 16 : Number 403



                               Today's Subjects:
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  My name is "Jerry Mathers"             ["Stacked Crooked" <etews@inwa.net>]
  Re: No Country for Old Men      [Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>]
  Re: On yet another note....  [Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koel]
  Re: On yet another note....              [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: The Aimee Mann Blues             [Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #402    ["Bri N" <lazerlove5@buckeye-express.com>]
  Re: The Aimee Mann Blues              [kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>]
  Re: On yet another note....           [kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>]
  Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #402             [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: On yet another note....               [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  Re: On yet another note....               [Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>]
  RE: On yet another note....      ["Marc Alberts" <malberts1@earthlink.net>]
  RE: On yet another note....             [Dolph Chaney <dolphmusic@rcn.com>]
  Re: The Aimee Mann Blues                      [lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>]
  Re: The Aimee Mann Blues                    [2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>]
  RE: On yet another note....              [Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>]
  Re: Robyn covering Zep?       ["Terrence Marks" <terrence.marks@gmail.com>]
  Re: On yet another note....                   [lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>]

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:51:59 -0800
From: "Stacked Crooked" <etews@inwa.net>
Subject: My name is "Jerry Mathers"

<Second: what the hell does "Built to Spill" mean & why would the band name
themselves that?>

i don't know, although i always figured it was something to do with
ejaculation.  either way,
<URL:http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=167725> is my
favourite dime download of the year.  think dino jr., only having been
imbued by grayskull with THE POWER.  mind, i downloaded a few dinosaur
shows this year, and enjoyed them very well.  but built to spill are in a
whole other league.  (silly me didn't attend any show from their
three-night stand here, as i found *You In Reverse* to be quite
disappointing...)


<i think it's the same as the video version>

yes.


<So which one is on "Y&O", then?>

there are two different recordings, off of three different releases.  none
of them are live, though one of them was released on a videotape of a live
concert.  see?  clear as mud.  anyway, they'll both be in the torrent.


<who does God worship, basically...>

i had a theory, for a while, that danny carey is god.  then i revised it to
that he's *above* god.  and he, like, invented god one day, and told him,
"yeah, dude, just do whatever you want."  and so god made heaven and earth
(and shit like that).  of course, only quail would appreciate this
theory...


<Eddie, have you gotten your flacs of "Backward" yet??>

not yet.  though i did score a massive scanner for $50 off of ebay, so i'll
be able to scan in all of the artwork that never made it onto CD.  ...which
will probably take a week or three.  so, it's all good.

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:57:31 +0000
From: Michael Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: No Country for Old Men

Lauren wrote:
 >Sweeney <m_l_sweeney@hotmail.com> says:>> Michael "Saw 'No Country For Old
Men' this afternoon; 'Children of Men' still>>my fave of last 5 years, but
might be a new 2nd" Sweeney >>i'm curious about the level of violence. i'm
probably going to see itregardless, but is it really high? i'm disturbed more
by extendedscenes of cruelty than blood and guts. the only example as of
latethat comes to mind is ``the last king of scotland.'' there were a
fewscenes towards the end in there that were pretty borderline for me andi was
glad it was on dvd and not a big ol' movie screen (although iguess it all
looks the same with your eyes closed.) if you can givean indication on that
level, it might put my mind at ease. or make methink twice, as the case may
be.<


Hey, Lauren...how's it going? -- been awhile...divergent posts (and Buffy) and
all, I guess...

I'm pretty uninterested in over-the-top violence, and "No Country" only had a
few moments (mostly aftermath-related) that made me squint a bit.  Plenty of
blood, but...at least dealt with mostly creatively...Definitely worth it.


Michael "My GF was more concerned about the dogs" Sweeney
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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:31:06 +0100
From: Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de>
Subject: Re: On yet another note....

- -- lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> is rumored to have mumbled on 17. November 
2007 00:59:13 -0500 regarding Re: On yet another note....:

> wainwright's version of ``hallujah'' is my favourite.

It's OK, but I definitely like Jeff Buckley's best, followed by John Cale's.

>  it's kind of a
> shame that mr. cohen doesn't do proper justice to his own song.

Yeah, it's horrible. I don't think I would've realised what a great song it 
is based on his version. So who was the original coverer who saw its 
potential?
- --
Sebastian Hagedorn
Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany
http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/
"Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:56:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: On yet another note....

Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
> -- lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> is rumored to have mumbled:
> > wainwright's version of ``hallelujah'' is my favourite.
> It's OK, but I definitely like Jeff Buckley's best, followed by
> John Cale's.
> > it's kind of a
> > shame that mr. cohen doesn't do proper justice to his own song.
> Yeah, it's horrible. I don't think I would've realised what a great
> song it is based on his version. So who was the original coverer
> who saw its potential?

Cale, of course....



"I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer

"The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute
.


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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:18:54 -0600
From: Steve Schiavo <steveschiavo@mac.com>
Subject: Re: The Aimee Mann Blues

On Nov 16, 2007, at 11:26 PM, 2fs wrote:

> I blame Jon Brion. Or rather, I blame his absence.


Same with Sam Phillips, although you can understand why she wouldn't  
want to have T-Bone around.




- - Stee
__________
I can't resist an anime that includes a small, cute, violence prone  
girl with a scythe. - John

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:34:46 -0800
From: "Bri N" <lazerlove5@buckeye-express.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #402

But can we get specific recording years for these tracks? All we get
in the notes is a five-year timeframe.

My one pet peeve,
- - -tc

A BIG peeve of mine too. I loved the date and instrument detail that
Invisible Hitchcock included.  I am enjoying this new boxset. Listening
more to the bonus tracks than anything. Let's hope SURFER GHOST ends up
on Shadow Cat this January. It would be a nice birthday present for me! -----------------------------------------------
Hey, I actually met her briefly earlier this year... she was talking
to Glen Tilbrook backstage after the Squeeze show at the Greek.
Tilbrook was kinda flustered because he was being ushered off to some
kinda press thing, and trying to say hi to everyone before that, and
we were standing right behind Ms. Mann (Glen and Chris are also old
friends of my wife). She seemed cool enough, but everyone was in a
rush. Chris Difford was total sweetheart, though,

Yeah, I have sorta married into an interesting crowd.

- - -Rex
Lucky! Talk about connections! I would just want to drink alot of alcohol
with Difford and pick his brain, but that couldn't be good for either of
us.
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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:15:25 -0800
From: JBJ <jbj@tuthorse.net>
Subject: Re: Bonus Tracks

> Don't forget to mention: The Abandoned Brain and Point It At Gran,
> which are different versions than the ones released on Invisible
> Hitchcock.

Also, the Thatcher version of Birdshead is missing the backing vocals. I
didn't notice this, but wasn't really listening since it wasn't a 'new'
track. nice call.

Is the Flesh No. 1 demo on Thatcher the same one as the Bucketful of
Brains flexi? Not sure, but I think it is. Anyone? -Nuppy (enjoying the
nice cold warmth of an extended autumn orange and yellow)

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:52:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The Aimee Mann Blues

>> I blame Jon Brion. Or rather, I blame his absence.

Isn't that some kind of logical error, like, you can't prove a negative?  Or is it somr kind of nod to Maurice Blanchot?

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:57:33 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: On yet another note....

>> > shame that mr. cohen doesn't do proper justice to his own song.
>> Yeah, it's horrible. I don't think I would've realised what a great
>> song it is based on his version. So who was the original coverer
>> who saw its potential?
>
>Cale, of course....

Cale da man.  The performance of "Hallelujah" was one of the highlights of the Rainy Season live set.  Although John Cale Comes Alive has the definitive version of Chinese Envoy - cuts the original, much as I love Music For a New SOciety.

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:27:00 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #402

On 11/17/07, Bri N <lazerlove5@buckeye-express.com> wrote:

> - -Rex
> Lucky! Talk about connections! I would just want to drink alot of alcohol
> with Difford and pick his brain, but that couldn't be good for either of
> us.

You do know he does songwriting camps, right?  I can get you the info
if you like... supposed to be really fun and worthwhile.

- -Rex

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:30:22 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: On yet another note....

On 11/17/07, Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
> > -- lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> is rumored to have mumbled:
> > > wainwright's version of ``hallelujah'' is my favourite.
> > It's OK, but I definitely like Jeff Buckley's best, followed by
> > John Cale's.
> > > it's kind of a
> > > shame that mr. cohen doesn't do proper justice to his own song.
> > Yeah, it's horrible. I don't think I would've realised what a great
> > song it is based on his version. So who was the original coverer
> > who saw its potential?
>
> Cale, of course....

There are just plain too many covers of that one (blame Hollywood),
and I only like the original and Cale's.  But I'm meh on Buckley (the
younger) and don't like Wainwright (the younger) at all.

- -Rex

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:31:43 -0800
From: Rex <spottedeagleray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: On yet another note....

On 11/17/07, kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Cale da man.  The performance of "Hallelujah" was one of the highlights of the Rainy Season live set.  Although John Cale Comes Alive has the definitive version of Chinese Envoy - cuts the original, much as I love Music For a New SOciety.

Somehow I don't have "Comes Alive".  I have all, what, five other live
releases but not that one.  The Rainy Season "Envoy" is nice, too.

- -Rex

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:05:27 -0800
From: "Marc Alberts" <malberts1@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: On yet another note....

Rex wrote:
> On 11/17/07, Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sebastian Hagedorn <Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de> wrote:
> > > -- lep <softboygirl@gmail.com> is rumored to have mumbled:
> > > > wainwright's version of ``hallelujah'' is my favourite.
> > > It's OK, but I definitely like Jeff Buckley's best, followed by
> > > John Cale's.
> > > > it's kind of a
> > > > shame that mr. cohen doesn't do proper justice to his own song.
> > > Yeah, it's horrible. I don't think I would've realised what a great
> > > song it is based on his version. So who was the original coverer
> > > who saw its potential?
> >
> > Cale, of course....
> 
> There are just plain too many covers of that one (blame Hollywood),
> and I only like the original and Cale's.  But I'm meh on Buckley (the
> younger) and don't like Wainwright (the younger) at all.


I'm with Rex on this one.  I really hate the Wainwright version.  Completely
and entirely.  I think I like the Buckley version more than Rex, but other
than that I can't find fault with this assessment.

Now the bigger questions:  A) is there any better version than the original
on "Tower of Song"? and B) thumbs up or thumbs down on Jennifer Warnes'
"Famous Blue Raincoat" album?

Marc

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:29:20 -0600
From: Dolph Chaney <dolphmusic@rcn.com>
Subject: RE: On yet another note....

On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 12:05 -0800, Marc Alberts wrote:
> A) is there any better version than the original
> on "Tower of Song"? 

Again: Cave.  The Bad Seeds tear it a new one on the I'M YOUR FAN
tribute.  I also seem to recall adoring a Marianne Faithfull version,
but then I am inordinately a sucker for her.

> and B) thumbs up or thumbs down on Jennifer Warnes'
> "Famous Blue Raincoat" album?

Thumbs mid.  It's certainly interesting to hear the songs done in
practically the identical arrangements but by a more capable vocalist
(and one with whom L.C. collaborated for so long).  But her
interpretations don't challenge the material enough for my tastes.  I'd
rather see the songs brutalized than turned into latte-pop.

- -- Dolph

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:34:37 -0500
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Aimee Mann Blues

kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net> says:
> >> I blame Jon Brion. Or rather, I blame his absence.
>
> Isn't that some kind of logical error, like, you can't prove a negative?

oh, i could do some procrastinating in this reply.  fortunately, i get
to excuse myself on the basis that semantics and natural language seem
to be taking your point a bit out of the realm of symbolic logic (and
you *know* that i always mind my own business.)

but i am actually studying some of this now in my theory of
computability class since we're on the chapter about the problem class
called NP.  there is a class of problems that are computationally
``easy'' to verify membership (NP) and a class of problems that is
computationally ``easy'' to *refute* membership in (coNP).  And the
first is the complement of the second (meaning if the problem in A is
in the first set, the problem not(A) is in the second.)

this stuff sounds dull, but really it'll make you dizzy with a lovely
sort of confusion.  this is where a reference to the red pill or the
rabbit hole goes.  at any rate, i'm hoping to do my independent
project in this field, and a masters thesis.  which would,
unfortunately, leave me with little to do but get over my fear of
starting a ph.d. program.

as ever,
lauren

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"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:26:26 -0600
From: 2fs <jeffreyw2fs.j@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Aimee Mann Blues

On 11/17/07, kevin <kevinstudyvin@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> I blame Jon Brion. Or rather, I blame his absence.
>
> Isn't that some kind of logical error, like, you can't prove a negative?
>

It's only a negative going forward in time. Going backward, it's a positive
(when Jon Brion arrived, Aimee Mann's music got good).


Or is it somr kind of nod to Maurice Blanchot?



Well, if I saw him on the street and we'd been introduced but he was in a
conversation, certainly I'd nod politely to acknowledge that we'd met.

- -- 

...Jeff Norman

The Architectural Dance Society
http://spanghew.blogspot.com

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:33:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Dwarf <munki1972@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: On yet another note....

Dolph Chaney <dolphmusic@rcn.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 12:05 -0800, Marc Alberts wrote:
> > A) is there any better version than the original
> > on "Tower of Song"? 
> 
> Again: Cave.  The Bad Seeds tear it a new one on the I'M YOUR FAN
> tribute.  I also seem to recall adoring a Marianne Faithfull
> version, but then I am inordinately a sucker for her.

Robert Forster does a nice, albeit less unhinged, version onthere
too. I like The Jesus and Mary Chain's too. Neither as much as
Cave's, but...


"I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer

"The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute
.


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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:41:06 -0800
From: "Terrence Marks" <terrence.marks@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Robyn covering Zep?

> Oh, and as a related aside, under the 'Robyn Covered' subject, how about Zep
> doing 'The Asking Tree'??

I've been thinking that 'The Asking Tree' would be perfect for Clear
Spot-era Captain Beefheart.
(and, heck,  'If You Were a Priest' for The Monochrome Set and 'The
Devil's Coachman' by Bert Jansch.)

Terrence Marks

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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:37:43 -0500
From: lep <softboygirl@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: On yet another note....

Marc <malberts1@earthlink.net> says:

> Now the bigger questions:  A) is there any better version than the original
> on "Tower of Song"? and B) thumbs up or thumbs down on Jennifer Warnes'
> "Famous Blue Raincoat" album?

I like the original ``Tower of Song'' (with Cohen, I'll default to the
original unless there's a compelling reason not to.)  I don't like
Jennifer Warnes version of ``Famous Blue Raincoat'', but she's at a
disadvantage since Tori Amos covers it.  I love Tori's version.  On
the subject of ``Famous Blue Raincoat'', I really don't like the Lloyd
Cole version of that song; he seems too cocksure on it (a general
criticism I have of Cole, although it's more of a gut feeling than
anything I can give concrete support for.)  The ending of the Cole
version, where he says ``Sincerely / L.C. '', really bugs me for some
reason that I can't articulate and probably isn't logical.

I don't want to start saying this about every Leonard Cohen song
(although maybe it's pretty much the case) but I really, really, love
``Famous Blue Raincoat''.  I think it reminds me of a book I read, but
can't place.  Again, it's got some lines that just cut straight to it:
 ``Thanks for the trouble you took from her eyes // I thought it was
there for good, so I never tried.''

I never really thought to put it this way, but I'm sure I like Leonard
Cohen more than I like Bob Dylan.  Part of it it is just that I
romanticize Mr. Cohen style over Dylan's.  I imagine Mr. Cohen in some
exotic, nameless Italian town.  I imagine Mr. Dylan on someone else's
couch.

xo

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"People with opinions just go around bothering one another."

                   - The Buddha

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