From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #390 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, November 7 2007 Volume 16 : Number 390 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: list of new songs on I WANNA GO BACKWARDS [Dolph Chaney ] Re: the new RDD [2fs ] Re: the new RDD [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: silly laws [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: My name is "Eb", and if I have to tell you one more time to fuck off, then, I shall [lep ] Re: the new RDD [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: the new RDD [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: the new RDD [2fs ] Re: the new RDD [Rex ] Re: the new RDD [Christopher Gross ] Re: the new RDD [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: the new RDD [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: My name is [kevin ] Re: My name is [2fs ] Re: My name is [kevin ] Re: My name is [kevin ] Re: My name is [2fs ] RE: My name is ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: My name is [Rex ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:46 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: list of new songs on I WANNA GO BACKWARDS On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 15:07 -0600, 2fs wrote: > I'm wondering about the fate of the other solo tracks from this era, > which are scattered amongst the old editions of _Invisible Hitchcock_ > and _You and Oblivion_. Is that last title prophetic? It looks like a whole lot of the IH and Y&O tracks are on WTMB, but not all of 'em. The nefarious Ewan O'Blivion may indeed have made off with them permanently. - -- Dolph "any relation to Father Vivian O'Blivion?" THE DOLPHSTER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:32:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: list of new songs on I WANNA GO BACKWARDS 2fs wrote: > I'm wondering about the fate of the other solo tracks from this > era, which are scattered amongst the old editions of _Invisible > Hitchcock_ and _You and Oblivion_. Is that last title prophetic? I'm sorta assuming that they -- or a lot of them -- will make up a chunk of the bonus material for the Egyptians box in May, but we shall see. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:02:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: list of new songs on I WANNA GO BACKWARDS On Nov 6, 2007 3:32 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > 2fs wrote: > > I'm wondering about the fate of the other solo tracks from this > > era, which are scattered amongst the old editions of _Invisible > > Hitchcock_ and _You and Oblivion_. Is that last title prophetic? > > I'm sorta assuming that they -- or a lot of them -- will make up a > chunk of the bonus material for the Egyptians box in May, but we > shall see. Could be - but that wouldn't make a lot of sense, since a lot of them don't feature any of them there Egyptians-type peoples... Speaking of, it's Fegmania, Element of Light, Gotta Let This Hen Out, and bonus material, right? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: list of new songs on I WANNA GO BACKWARDS 2fs wrote: > On Nov 6, 2007 3:32 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > 2fs wrote: > > > I'm wondering about the fate of the other solo tracks from this > > > era, which are scattered amongst the old editions of _Invisible > > > Hitchcock_ and _You and Oblivion_. Is that last title > > > prophetic? > > > > I'm sorta assuming that they -- or a lot of them -- will make up > > a chunk of the bonus material for the Egyptians box in May, but > > we shall see. > > Could be - but that wouldn't make a lot of sense, since a lot of > them don't feature any of them there Egyptians-type peoples... I don't think if the IH feature the full Egyptians, but Andy and Morris are both on it in places. And dumping "Dancing on God's Thumb" and "Mellow Together" don't make a lot of sense either. > Speaking of, it's Fegmania, Element of Light, Gotta Let This Hen > Out, and bonus material, right? Oui, Da, and all that crap. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer "The eyes are the groin of the head." -- Dwight Schrute . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:54 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: list of new songs on I WANNA GO BACKWARDS On 11/6/07, 2fs wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2007 3:32 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > 2fs wrote: > > > I'm wondering about the fate of the other solo tracks from this > > > era, which are scattered amongst the old editions of _Invisible > > > Hitchcock_ and _You and Oblivion_. Is that last title prophetic? > > > > I'm sorta assuming that they -- or a lot of them -- will make up a > > chunk of the bonus material for the Egyptians box in May, but we > > shall see. > > > Could be - but that wouldn't make a lot of sense, since a lot of them > don't > feature any of them there Egyptians-type peoples... > > Speaking of, it's Fegmania, Element of Light, Gotta Let This Hen Out, and > bonus material, right? Yeah, the bonus disc(s?) even have a name already. Was just thinking today that if the A&M stuff ends up in a third box like we're hoping, it'd almost have to be called "Corporation Time", wouldn't it? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:08:07 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: silly laws Not sure what George Orwell would have made of the final item on the international list. James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:40:41 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: the new RDD A friend of mine sent me the new Ray Davies record that was in the Sunday Mail (it was released free to the public minus two tracks; that means all Kinks crazed people will go out and buy the album anyway). I've given it a cursory listen, and it seems pretty good. I didn't get overly excited about Other People's Lives, so this seems like a step up. It sounds a lot like the music that he wrote for 80 Days, the musical that he and Snoo Wilson wrote based on Around the World in 80 Days. And speaking of the word "based," where did this new usage "based off of" come from and when did it first appear. My daughter has said it a few times (and being the non-pedant that I am, I have chastised her for it each and every time), and as a result of my heightened awareness, I've heard it all over the place recently. How can something be based off of something? There, you can discuss this or go back to Buffy. I wish Robyn would come to Boston and play somewhere other than TT's. Then I could base some posts off of that experience. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:26:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the new RDD On Nov 6, 2007 7:40 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > > And speaking of the word "based," where did this new usage "based off of" > come from and when did it first appear. Good question. I have no idea what's wrong with "based on." The whole notion of one thing being "based" with regard to another implies a sort of solidity that "off of" utterly defies. One might fly "off of" a building (although why one can't simply fly from it, or of it, I'm not sure). "Based off of" seems utterly counter to the whole notion of "base" - as if "base" is used to mean something like distilled from. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: the new RDD On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Jill Brand wrote: > A friend of mine sent me the new Ray Davies record that was in the Sunday > Mail (it was released free to the public minus two tracks; that means all > Kinks crazed people will go out and buy the album anyway). I've given it > a cursory listen, and it seems pretty good. I didn't get overly excited > about Other People's Lives, so this seems like a step up. It sounds a lot > like the music that he wrote for 80 Days, the musical that he and Snoo > Wilson wrote based on Around the World in 80 Days. That bit about 80 Days I've been hearing around a lot. It's not that hard to beat Other People's Lives, honestly. I'm looking forward to my copy arriving. (Yes, I know, how quaint) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:12:07 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: silly laws On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > Not sure what George Orwell would have made of the final item on the > international list. > > This would have been a better story on the BBC Web team's part if they'd provided links to the actual laws! "In Indonesia, the penalty for masturbation is decapitation," eh? There are far more silly laws than made this story, of course! Definitely no shortage of them in the U.S., with its innumerable jurisdictions. And the Indonesian one isn't so silly as a little scary--they may not enforce it there, but they do execute for sexual "crimes" elsewhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#Legal_status_in_modern_Islamic_nations ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:06:00 -0500 From: lep Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and if I have to tell you one more time to fuck off, then, I shall Stacked Crooked says: > also, i didn't even know there was a new coen bros. in the making, until i > saw it reviewed (very highly) on siskel & ebert last night. anybody > screened it yet? i knew there was one in the making only because i saw an interview, or maybe it was "a conversation", between or by or of cormac mccarthy between or by or of the coen brothers in (what i imagine is) the current issue of "time" magazine. (i am, of course, an old-time mccarthy fan, what with having "the road" under my belt for at least ten days now...) then eddie made this post, and i went to wikipedia, and it turns out that "no country for old men" is not exactly "in the making" as it's 100% made and going into limited release on friday, 9 november. in between these two events, i seemed to have moved "raising arizona" to the top of my NetQ and so that arrived to-day. more surprisingly, i put "miller's crossing" in what is now the top of my queue. mr. mccarthy most of spoken highly of it in the interview, so i guess my idea was to see if i like it better this time (it's the only coen brothers movie that i've seen to and didn't take to immediately.) it seems i've missed, not just the most recent, but the *two* most recent coen brothers movies, which, earlier in my life, would have been cause for high alarm. so what do you folks think of "intolerable cruelty" and/or "ladykillers"? personal trivia: my favourite coen brothers movie is, hands down, "barton fink". it's rather like a david lynch movie. only funnier. (speaking of which, anyone seen that there's some sort of "mystery director" lynch documentary out that? http://www.cin-o-matic.com/m.php?MID=2015 no way it's better than the extras on "inland empire.") but right now i'm dying to hear holly hunter insist: "now you go and don't come back 'til you've got me one of those babies!" (or something like that.) at any rate, i would love to see the new one in the theatre and will likely make an attempt to get out to see it, regardless of my complete enchantment with my current coursework. and eddie, if you catch it, please review for the list. if you're short of time, remember, we love reviews and mini-reviews alike. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:50:57 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and if I have to tell you one more time to fuck off, then, I shall On Nov 6, 2007 11:06 PM, lep wrote: > > > (speaking of which, anyone seen that there's some sort of "mystery > director" lynch documentary out that? > http://www.cin-o-matic.com/m.php?MID=2015 > > no way it's better than the extras on "inland empire.") Quinoa! - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:16:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: the new RDD - -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 6. November 2007 21:26:58 -0600 regarding Re: the new RDD: >> And speaking of the word "based," where did this new usage "based off of" >> come from and when did it first appear. > > > > Good question. I have no idea what's wrong with "based on." The whole > notion of one thing being "based" with regard to another implies a sort > of solidity that "off of" utterly defies. One might fly "off of" a > building Or get off of a cloud ... but I was taught that even that isn't "proper English", as it should be ... > (although why one can't simply fly from it, or of it, I'm not > sure). ... not that but simply "off", i.e. "fly off a building", "get off my cloud" etc. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Am alten Stellwerk 22, 50733 Kvln, Germany http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: the new RDD On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 6. November > 2007 21:26:58 -0600 regarding Re: the new RDD: > > >> And speaking of the word "based," where did this new usage "based off of" > >> come from and when did it first appear. > > > > Good question. I have no idea what's wrong with "based on." The whole > > notion of one thing being "based" with regard to another implies a sort > > of solidity that "off of" utterly defies. One might fly "off of" a > > building > > Or get off of a cloud ... but I was taught that even that isn't "proper > English", as it should be ... It's not standard, that's for sure. But it's quite common in colloquial usage. Check this out BTW http://ask.metafilter.com/38311/All-your-base-are-off-of-us PS Anyone on here ever read alt.usage.english? Or USENET at all? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:43:10 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: the new RDD - --On 6. November 2007 23:30:16 -0800 Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > Check this out BTW > http://ask.metafilter.com/38311/All-your-base-are-off-of-us Thanks, that was a fun read. > PS Anyone on here ever read alt.usage.english? No. > Or USENET at all? Rarely. I used to read it a lot, but these days it's basically just comp.mail.sendmail when the need arises. And that's only because they don't have a mailing list. Which I still find paradoxical. - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:10:58 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the new RDD On Nov 7, 2007 1:16 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- 2fs is rumored to have mumbled on 6. November > 2007 21:26:58 -0600 regarding Re: the new RDD: > > > > (although why one can't simply fly from it, or of it, I'm not > > sure). > > ... not that but simply "off", i.e. "fly off a building", "get off my > cloud" etc. Of course, a typo here would muddle things pretty well. Which is why the idiot above who typed "or of it" when he meant to type "or off it"...well, what can I say? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:20:52 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: the new RDD On 11/6/07, Jill Brand wrote: > > A friend of mine sent me the new Ray Davies record that was in the Sunday > Mail (it was released free to the public minus two tracks; that means all > Kinks crazed people will go out and buy the album anyway). I've given it > a cursory listen, and it seems pretty good. I didn't get overly excited > about Other People's Lives, so this seems like a step up. It does, as it seems a little less labored (and I didn't dislike "Other People's Lives"). The opening track seems like a sort of lyrical misfire, conflating a lot of stuff that's been true at one time or another over the past three decades into a not-quite-cogent statement; I probably wouldn't mind it were it tucked into the record a little later. The rest seems quite good, but I haven't been able to give it a super-close listen yet. And speaking of the word "based," where did this new usage "based off of" > come from and when did it first appear. I think it's one of those things that people have said for ages, but hasn't often been written (because most text people saw was actually edited until recently). I know that when I was a kid, people said "based off" instead of "based on", and in my mind I always thought they were getting confused with the idea of a "spin-off", but I don't know if that has anything to do with it... just that it was said a lot in the '70's, 'cuz it bugged me then. Another thing that people have used in casual conversation forever but you never saw in print until recently was the idea that a member of a band was "out of" the band, as in "That guy out of System of a Down just released a solo album". It might be a slightly British thing, but I remember hearing it as a kid, too, and I always thought it was hilarious when Great Pop Things used it for the lulz. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the new RDD On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > PS Anyone on here ever read alt.usage.english? Or USENET at all? No and yes. Even today there are still a couple of groups I follow intermittently. Mostly Whedon-related fan groups, of course. So how about "leave out of" a place instead of just "leave"? Or "caused due to" instead of "caused by"? I hear both a lot around the DC area. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:38:34 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: the new RDD On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On 6. November 2007 23:30:16 -0800 Benjamin Lukoff > wrote: > > > Check this out BTW > > http://ask.metafilter.com/38311/All-your-base-are-off-of-us > > Thanks, that was a fun read. De nada > > PS Anyone on here ever read alt.usage.english? > > No. I used to spend far more time there than was good for me--but it's a great place (or used to be) for discussions on English usage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: the new RDD On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Christopher Gross wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > > PS Anyone on here ever read alt.usage.english? Or USENET at all? > > No and yes. Even today there are still a couple of groups I follow > intermittently. Mostly Whedon-related fan groups, of course. > > So how about "leave out of" a place instead of just "leave"? Or "caused > due to" instead of "caused by"? I hear both a lot around the DC area. Those are new to me. "Caused due to" seems slightly more acceptable than "leave out of"... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:53:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: My name is >> (speaking of which, anyone seen that there's some sort of "mystery >> director" lynch documentary out that? >> http://www.cin-o-matic.com/m.php?MID=2015 >> >> no way it's better than the extras on "inland empire.") We had a chance to see the docu down at S.A.M. a couple weeks back including a 30-40 minute Q&A with the director. The film is pretty entertaining and well worth yr time, but the director came off so hopelessly fanboy it was a tad embarassing. One thing I learned from the film is that Lynch smokes like a chimney. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:17:42 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is On 11/7/07, kevin wrote: > > >> (speaking of which, anyone seen that there's some sort of "mystery > >> director" lynch documentary out that? > >> http://www.cin-o-matic.com/m.php?MID=2015 > >> > >> no way it's better than the extras on "inland empire.") > > We had a chance to see the docu down at S.A.M. a couple weeks back > including a 30-40 minute Q&A with the director. The film is pretty > entertaining and well worth yr time, but the director came off so hopelessly > fanboy it was a tad embarassing. More embarrassing than billing himself as "blackANDwhite"? One thing I learned from the film is that Lynch smokes like a chimney. Something tells me that on his film sets, those California laws about smoking are rather ignored... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:43:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: My name is >i put "miller's crossing" in what is now the top of my queue. mr. >mccarthy most of spoken highly of it in the interview, so i guess my >idea was to see if i like it better this time (it's the only coen >brothers movie that i've seen to and didn't take to immediately.) I remember seeing Miller's Crossing and being outraged - outraged! - at all the uncredited cribbing from Dashiell Hammet, which let's face it the thing is just The Glass Key with a little tinkering in spots. In retrospect I recall the use of music was pretty nifty. I should probably see it again one of these days. >it seems i've missed, not just the most recent, but the *two* most >recent coen brothers movies, which, earlier in my life, would have >been cause for high alarm. so what do you folks think of "intolerable >cruelty" and/or "ladykillers"? I laughed my ass off at Intolerable Cruelty (enormous George Clooney fan). I didn't realize Ladykillers was the Coens. Now I must see it at once. >but right now i'm dying to hear holly hunter insist: "now you go and >don't come back 'til you've got me one of those babies!" (or >something like that.) I think I've made my abiding love for Holly Hunter clear in this venue once or twice. She rools. np Mary Ehrlich: News On the Rail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:56:43 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: My name is >> We had a chance to see the docu down at S.A.M. a couple weeks back >> including a 30-40 minute Q&A with the director. The film is pretty >> entertaining and well worth yr time, but the director came off so hopelessly >> fanboy it was a tad embarassing. > > > >More embarrassing than billing himself as "blackANDwhite"? Hint: the wife talked with him for a few minutes after the show. She asked him what his real name was and he did give her his first name, but only supplied an initial for the surname. He seems like a very pleasant guy, but some kinds of pretention are just bone deep. Reminded me of some arty youngsters I've run into around town who like to go by some kind of made-up handle and refer to what it says on their birth certificate as their "slave name." As Dave Barry says, I am not making this up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:28:49 -0600 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is On 11/7/07, kevin wrote: > > > >More embarrassing than billing himself as "blackANDwhite"? > > Hint: the wife talked with him for a few minutes after the show. She > asked him what his real name was and he did give her his first name, but > only supplied an initial for the surname. He seems like a very pleasant > guy, but some kinds of pretention are just bone deep. Reminded me of some > arty youngsters I've run into around town who like to go by some kind of > made-up handle and refer to what it says on their birth certificate as their > "slave name." As Dave Barry says, I am not making this up. We old people realize now what chuckleheads we may have been when younger. But you know, there's just no telling them (nor was there us). One of my students, after failing out of my class, huffily insisted that he didn't care because, he'd have me understand, he knew that there'd be absolutely nothing he might learn in my class that he'd ever need in his life. (It's a writing class, involving learning to do research, learning to write up that research, etc. - with a few non-traditional fillips, but that description will do, briefly. Of course, he'll never have to write or discover information in his life, I'm sure...) I'm imagining a 20-year-old in 1985, thinking he knows exactly what he'll do for the rest of his life. Twenty-some years later, huge chunks of the world involve the internet, cell phones, and whole areas of organization dependent on such technologies...little of which even existed in 1985, certainly nowhere near as pervasively as they do now. But my student, he knows the universe and his place in it. And insisted, by the way, that he knew he sounded immature, but "believe me, I'm not." I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:03:13 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: My name is - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of kevin Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:43 PM To: lep; a sweet little cupcake...baked by the devil! Subject: Re: My name is >>i put "miller's crossing" in what is now the top of my queue. mr. >>mccarthy most of spoken highly of it in the interview, so i guess my >>idea was to see if i like it better this time (it's the only coen >brothers movie that i've seen to and didn't take to immediately.) Kevin wrote: >I remember seeing Miller's Crossing and being outraged - outraged! - at all the uncredited cribbing from Dashiell Hammet, >which let's face it the thing is just The Glass Key with a little tinkering in spots. In retrospect I recall the use of >music was pretty nifty. I should probably see it again one of these days. Miller's Crossing is my favorite Coen brothers movie, and not having read The Glass Key I wasn't outraged. The Coen's should have credited Dash though if they nicked that much of the book for the movie. The Glass Key is my next book to read though and The Dain Curse after that, as I'm on a bit of a Dashiell Hammet kick as I'm reading The Maltese Falcon currently. The three disc Maltese Falcon DVD set is a keeper, with a great commentary. Michael B. NP Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:50:40 -0800 From: Rex Subject: Re: My name is On 11/7/07, kevin wrote: > > > Hint: the wife talked with him for a few minutes after the show. She > asked him what his real name was and he did give her his first name, but > only supplied an initial for the surname. He seems like a very pleasant > guy, but some kinds of pretention are just bone deep. Reminded me of some > arty youngsters I've run into around town who like to go by some kind of > made-up handle and refer to what it says on their birth certificate as their > "slave name." As Dave Barry says, I am not making this up. Oh, man, that is bad. There's probably some kind of rationale there that "it's so pretentious it's funny, which only show how very self-aware we are, and thus it can't be truly pretentious, so that lets us get away with being rilly rilly pretentious". That makes the ritual adoption of "punk names" in the late '70's seem just adorably innocent. Can you supply an example of the "made up handles", or do we just not wanna know? - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #390 ********************************