From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #383 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 31 2007 Volume 16 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- um... [Jill Brand ] Re: The Road (was Re: Across The Universe) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [Rex ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [Rex ] REAP [Maximilian Lang ] Re: REAP [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [2fs ] Re: feggosity ["Stacked Crooked" ] This Just In ["Stacked Crooked" ] Re: This Just In [2fs ] Re: This Just In [lep ] This Just In [2fs ] Re: REAP [Tom Clark ] Link Submission and Exchange Ideas (Please Read) (fwd) [Benjamin Lukoff <] Re: Link Submission and Exchange Ideas (Please Read) (fwd) [2fs Subject: um... go Sox? We are happy in Boston. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:55:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The Road (was Re: Across The Universe) - --On 29. Oktober 2007 17:33:17 -0400 lep wrote: > some people here called >> Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" the bleakest book ever, but I think authors >> like Selby, Burroughs or Burgess are in some ways bleaker. I found the >> end of the road, eh "the Road, positively uplifting. > > in a bizarre turn of events, i just read "the road" (n.b.: the bizarre > turn was my reading a novel, not my choice thereof.) i think i was > procrastinating about some other task. "the road" was quite the > page-turner (not being sarcastic.) i actually found not just the > ending but the entire book to be completely uplifting. Hm, I wouldn't say *that* ... > perhaps it's > just my nihilist tendencies, but it was to me a story of nearly > unearthly faith and love. you have to admire even the imagining that > a man (e.g. the main character) would bother under the circumstances. > now that's *real* spunk. Well, yeah, but I have to admit that I didn't like the father all that much. I think he was too mistrusting (not entirely without reason, of course, but ...). And to me the end highlights that. To me the uplifting part was that there still *were* people you could trust. > i also loved the sparseness of it. i tend to like novels where it > seems like everything inessential has sort of fallen away (e.g. i love > marguerite duras for this very reason.) Never read anything by her, but I didn't like the movie of The Lover. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:43:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... >Rex wrote: >> *I feel certain that someday it will happen: Neil will actually >> write a song with the exact same title as some other tune in his >> back catalog. But I don't think it has happened yet. > >And Tanya "Angel" Donelly and Martin "It Doesn't Matter" Gore have >both already done it.... Then you got your Steely Dan with "Your Gold Teeth" and "Your Gold Teeth II," if that counts. Or how about "Bob Dylan's Dream" and "Bob Dylan's 115th Dream"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:03:07 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... - -- Jeff Dwarf is rumored to have mumbled on 29. Oktober 2007 20:18:08 -0700 regarding Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem...: >> > And Tanya "Angel" Donelly and Martin "It Doesn't Matter" Gore >> have >> > both already done it.... >> >> Seriously? I don't know a single "Angel" by her > > One is on Belly's Star; the other on Throwing Muses's Hunkpapa. Damn, I even *have* that Belly CD, but I only checked her solo records and the Muses. >> and only one "It Doesn't Matter" by him. > > Well, technically the second one is "It Doesn't Matter Two," but if > wasn't for the first (lousy) one on Some Great Reward, wouldn't the > second (good) one on Black Celebration just have been "IDM?" I only know the first one and I really like it - I guess that just proves what a sentimental sop I can be. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:58:27 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... On 10/30/07, kevin wrote: > > >Rex wrote: > >> *I feel certain that someday it will happen: Neil will actually > >> write a song with the exact same title as some other tune in his > >> back catalog. But I don't think it has happened yet. > > > >And Tanya "Angel" Donelly and Martin "It Doesn't Matter" Gore have > >both already done it.... > > Then you got your Steely Dan with "Your Gold Teeth" and "Your Gold Teeth > II," if that counts. > > Or how about "Bob Dylan's Dream" and "Bob Dylan's 115th Dream"? No - I'd say those are self-consciously sequels, in one way or another. I think the duplicate songs count only if (1) they have the exact same title and (2) they have nothing otherwise to do with one another. I can't think of examples right now, but I know I have a couple of albums with two songs with the same title on them - but either there are musical similarities, or there's some sort of conceptual continuity. Didn't John Cale have two songs called "Leaving It Up to You"? Or was one mislabeled? (This sounds like a problem for...Rex!) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:50:44 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... On 10/30/07, 2fs wrote: > > > No - I'd say those are self-consciously sequels, in one way or another. I > think the duplicate songs count only if (1) they have the exact same title > and (2) they have nothing otherwise to do with one another. I can't think > of > examples right now, but I know I have a couple of albums with two songs > with > the same title on them - but either there are musical similarities, or > there's some sort of conceptual continuity. Right-- "Hey Hey My My" and "My My Hey Hey" don't count for that reason. There are a bunch of framing-device-like things around, too, but for some reason the only ones I can think of are by the Chills ("Trying" and "Soft Bomb") and that House of Love record with all the "Love"s on it. No, these have to be totally unrelated songs, where it's plausible that, in writing the second one, the artist has forgotten that they wrote the first one. Not easy to quantify that kind of thing, but certainly someone or other has written more than one "Love" (not Robyn) or "I Want You" or "Let's Rock" or something like that. A certain workaday quality to the title is probably kind of a must here. Didn't John Cale have two songs called "Leaving It Up to You"? Or was one > mislabeled? (This sounds like a problem for...Rex!) Heh. The bit I recall is one of the mistakes on the track list on the original Island CD's, which turned "You Know More Than I Know" into the strangely extra-word-laden and more counterintuitively convoluted "You Know Me More Than I Know". Of course Cale also had "Things" and "Things X" on the same record, but that goes under the "Rust Never Sleeps" thematic reprise heading as well (bordering on the remix/bonus track subcontinent). Damned close: Lou Reed for "Heroin" and "The Heroine" - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... Rex wrote: > No, these have to be totally unrelated songs, where it's plausible > that, in writing the second one, the artist has forgotten that > they wrote the first one. Not easy to quantify that kind of > thing, but certainly someone or other has written more than > one "Love" (not Robyn) or "I Want You" or "Let's Rock" or > something like that. A certain workaday quality to the title is > probably kind of a must here. I think the problem is that even if the writer themselves doesn't think about reusing the title when writing the second song, someone will notice sometime before the song gets released at which time it will most likely get renamed, even if it's just tagging a number on the end like "It Doesn't Matter Two" (which isn't a sequel, but just another song). TD's 2nd "Angel" probably only retained the name "Angel" because it was going to be a Belly song -- if it had been slated to be a Throwing Muses song, it probably would have been renamed somehow. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > -- Jeff Dwarf is rumored to have mumbled: > > Well, technically the second one is "It Doesn't Matter Two," but > > if wasn't for the first (lousy) one on Some Great Reward, > > wouldn't the second (good) one on Black Celebration just have > > been "IDM?" > > I only know the first one and I really like it - I guess that just > proves what a sentimental sop I can be. I'm cool with it being sentimental; I just think it meanders too much. "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:13:06 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... On 10/30/07, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > > I think the problem is that even if the writer themselves doesn't > think about reusing the title when writing the second song, someone > will notice sometime before the song gets released at which time it > will most likely get renamed, even if it's just tagging a number on > the end like "It Doesn't Matter Two" (which isn't a sequel, but just > another song). TD's 2nd "Angel" probably only retained the name > "Angel" because it was going to be a Belly song -- if it had been > slated to be a Throwing Muses song, it probably would have been > renamed somehow. Yeah, I pretty much only expect this to happen with someone who doesn't, or doesn't have to, brook any editing or outside influence. You'd also have to be pretty prolific, of course, so Neil and Lou are surely among the prime suspects. I suppose the alternative would be to be a really really prolific songwriter as a largely unheard hobbyist for a very long period of time. And then, of course, nobody would care. Some threads do run into dead ends, I guess. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:13:26 -0400 From: Maximilian Lang Subject: REAP Robert Goulet. _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:29:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: REAP Maximilian Lang wrote: > Robert Goulet. Vera said that? "I'm not tempted to write a song about George W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirize George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporize them." -- Tom Lehrer . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:02 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... On 10/30/07, Rex wrote: > > > Yeah, I pretty much only expect this to happen with someone who doesn't, > or > doesn't have to, brook any editing or outside influence. You'd also have > to > be pretty prolific, of course, so Neil and Lou are surely among the prime > suspects. > > I suppose the alternative would be to be a really really prolific > songwriter > as a largely unheard hobbyist for a very long period of time. And then, > of > course, nobody would care. > Someone like R. Stevie Moore, say? Although he's "largely unheard" in a market sense, he's cult enough that, for example, Stewart Mason at AMG undertook the gargantuan task of reviewing nearly every cassette and CD he's (mostly self-)released. (I know Stewart via his having been on Loudfans for most of the decade-plus I was on it - he also reissued RSM's _Phonography_ on a label he started, prior to his AMG gig.) Where's Miles (another big RSM fan) when you need him? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:47:57 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: Re: feggosity . Plus a few live tracks.> i'm more than a little intrigued at this passage: >>An out-of-the-blue quip about him even surfaced in a recent profile of Rage Against The Machine: [Robyns] been around forever, nobody understands him.<< anybody able to fill in some context? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:34:42 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: This Just In my cousin has named his firstborn son after beck hansen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:48:29 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: This Just In On 10/30/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > my cousin has named his firstborn son after beck hansen. > Coulda been worse - coulda been named after L. Ron Hubbard. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:54:46 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: This Just In Stacked Crooked says: > my cousin has named his firstborn son after beck hansen. loser? xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:01:12 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: This Just In On 10/30/07, lep wrote: > > Stacked Crooked says: > > my cousin has named his firstborn son after beck hansen. > > loser? Isn't that what I just said? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:05:29 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: REAP On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Maximilian Lang wrote: > >> Robert Goulet. > > Vera said that? Beautiful. "it's A casino" "Good enough" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Link Submission and Exchange Ideas (Please Read) (fwd) Did anyone else get this? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:36:27 -0400 From: reedstickets To: fegmania.org Administrator Subject: Link Submission and Exchange Ideas (Please Read) Hello Fellow Webmaster! My name is Reed Terry, and I am contacting you regarding your site: I am the webmaster of Reedstickets.net and looking for some partnerships or link exchange ideas. Reedstickets is located at http://www.reedstickets.net and is a "white hat" site which provides information and great content on New York City entertainment Since it seems as if reciprocal linking is out, here are my ideas... 1) You decide my site is a great resource to your readers and are happy to put my link on your site (and I would love you for this!) 2) I will write a nice content rich article for your site on a topic, so you receive free content. This article will be a one time only writing for your site only, no duplicate content and only written by me, and I would hope that you let me put a small resource box about me (a couple sentences) at the end, or link in the content 3) I can also offer you a link to another related quality site in exchange for the link on your site since if we reciprocate it is not worth much, if you want, for the link on your site, I will find a related site to yours and get your link placed on a great site, this will provide us both a 1 way link from related sites and help us. here are my linking details URL: http://www.reedstickets.net/jersey-boys-theater-tickets.html DESCRIPTION: A New York entertainment site with great resources for events and venues including Jersey Boys theater tickets information. TITLE: Jersey Boys Theater Tickets OR cut and paste the code: Jersey Boys Theater Tickets A New York entertainment site with great resources for events and venues including Jersey Boys Theater tickets information. Please let me know if the above provides you with the information you need to review and consider our new section for linking. I can be reached via email at webmaster@reedstickets.com Best wishes, Reed Terry, for Reedstickets.net mailto:webmaster@reedstickets.com Reed Terry Reedstickets.net webmaster@reedstickets.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:55:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: Link Submission and Exchange Ideas (Please Read) (fwd) On 10/30/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > Did anyone else get this? Nope. But I think the letter would have been vastly improved had the salutation been "Hail Fellow Webmaster!" Also: what are Reed Stickets? One of those terrifying British candies Pynchon wrote about in _Gravity's Rainbow_? (below for ref.) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:36:27 -0400 > From: reedstickets > To: fegmania.org Administrator > Subject: Link Submission and Exchange Ideas (Please Read) > > Hello Fellow Webmaster! > > My name is Reed Terry, and I am contacting you regarding your site: > > I am the webmaster of Reedstickets.net and looking for some partnerships > or link exchange ideas. Reedstickets is located at > http://www.reedstickets.net and is a "white hat" site which provides > information and great content on New York City entertainment > > > Since it seems as if reciprocal linking is out, here are my ideas... > > 1) You decide my site is a great resource to your readers and are happy to > put my link on your site (and I would love you for this!) > > 2) I will write a nice content rich article for your site on a topic, so > you receive free content. This article will be a one time only writing for > your site only, no duplicate content and only written by me, and I would > hope that you let me put a small resource box about me (a couple sentences) > at the end, or link in the content > > 3) I can also offer you a link to another related quality site in exchange > for the link on your site since if we reciprocate it is not worth much, if > you want, for the link on your site, I will find a related site to yours and > get your link placed on a great site, this will provide us both a 1 way link > from related sites and help us. > > > here are my linking details > > URL: http://www.reedstickets.net/jersey-boys-theater-tickets.html > DESCRIPTION: A New York entertainment site with great resources for > events > and venues including Jersey Boys theater tickets information. > TITLE: Jersey Boys Theater Tickets > > OR cut and paste the code: > > Jersey > Boys Theater Tickets A New York entertainment site with great resources > for events and venues including Jersey Boys Theater tickets information. > > > Please let me know if the above provides you with the information you need > to review and consider our new section for linking. I can be reached via > email at webmaster@reedstickets.com > > > Best wishes, > > Reed Terry, for Reedstickets.net > mailto:webmaster@reedstickets.com > > > Reed Terry > Reedstickets.net > webmaster@reedstickets.com > - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:10:04 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... >BTW - Viva's second full release ...Brightside ...SUPERB!!!!! Utterly superb record! WELL worth any used pricing strategy! Count me in as a fan of Viva Saturn's Brightside as well. Steve Roback's wife Missy Roback also has released an album or two. She was kind enough to burn me a copy of the Paisley Underground comp Rainy Day a few years back. Michael B. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Leftenant Reg? Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:25 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... From: Rex >>I know you're all dying to hear the solution to the "what the hell did >>the Rain Parade guy do in Crazy Horse" conundrum. The answer, courtesy of my bassist's vinyl collection, is: Sonny Mone: Lead Vocals/Guitar Matt Piucci: Lead Guitar/Vocals Billy Talbot: Bass/Vocals/Keyboards Ralph Molina: Drums/Vocals plus Dino Papanicolaou on Hammond & Piano<< Well, Neil himself has been known on occasion to come down to town from that mansion on the hill replete w/stereo barns ... all those guys reside -Matt included and proper- in or around San Fran ...guess that's where Mssr Piucci hooked up w/the Horse cats. I fw-d the initial posts from this thread, sent them over to the Paisley Pop Yahoo list hoping to drive Matt out of hiding, he's a member there ...didn't work, yet anyway. I did get a quick response from Pat Thomas though. He knows all those guys fairly well. He concocted the Demoltion compile of Rain Parade stuff after the band's fact. Sorry. He only peripherally answered your inquiry. Still no background on this mysterious Sonny Mone character. I never heard of him before or since that Horse elpee. As for Matt and Steven's output after the MIGHTY Rain Parade's demise. Matt released a great album entitled Hellene's on the Inbetweens label ... pretty sure that's a Dutch label. Maybe German ...don't have the thing handy. That was around 2000 or so. Great album. Steven Roback did a few years -Matt as a surrogate member- as leader of the incredibly Rain Parade-ian Viva Saturn. Here's a couple nice looking as well as fairly comprehensive discography pages -- http://www.sa-wa-ro.com/RainParade-Pages/rp-albums.htm http://www.sa-wa-ro.com/VivaSaturn-Pages/vs-albums.htm BTW - Viva's second full release ...Brightside ...SUPERB!!!!! Utterly superb record! WELL worth any used pricing strategy! Mark >>Still don't know where Sonny Mone came from, or where he went. For >>that matter, what else if anything have Piucci and/or Steve Roback done since the Rain Parade? - - -Rex<< ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #383 ********************************