From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #377 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, October 24 2007 Volume 16 : Number 377 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: MILF liz [lep ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [kevin ] My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, and all the other SHIT that keeps us from LIVING OUR LIVES -- and going to live among the Ewoks [] RE: philosophy, LOL! [kevin ] Re: My name is [kevin ] John Singleton Copley [Jill Brand ] Subject: Re: Paisley problem... ["Leftenant Reg?" ] Re: To The Lobsterman Or Whoever ["John B. Jones" ] Re: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, and all [] Re: MILF liz [Rex ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... [Rex ] Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... ["Leftenant Reg?" ] Re: The fire this time [Rex ] Re: The fire this time [kevin ] Re: The fire this time [Rex ] Re: The fire this time [Carrie Galbraith ] Re: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, and all the other SHIT that keeps us from LIVING OUR LI [] Re: To The Lobsterman Or Whoever [2fs ] Re: What's going on in NZ James? [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: To The Lobsterman Or Whoever [kevin ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [kevin ] Re: What's going on in NZ James? [Rex ] Re: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, an [] Re: My name is [kevin ] Re: My name is [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: philosophy, LOL! [Eleanore Adams ] Re: John Singleton Copley [Eleanore Adams ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:19:16 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: MILF liz Rex says: > > i don't mean to rag on you, rex, (well, in theory, at least.) (to a > > certain extent, i probably agree with your sentiments.) it's just > > that i'm still all bitter about that time i called that faggy RH song > > "faggy." > > Ah, but I never said a word about that. Unless I disagreed about the > particular song, which I don't remember what it was so I can't say > whether or not it was faggy to me. no, you actually gave me the benefit of the doubt on the issue. i said i was _bitter_, not _logical_. oh, the song in question was "dark green energy." as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:44:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer >There were, in fact, many in both England and the US who >tacitly (or not so tacitly) supported many goals of the Nazi party Um yah, let's not forget the attempted coup against FDR in 1933 by a gaggle of Nazi sympathizers led by none other then Prescott Bush, father of one of our recent Presidents and grandfather to the repellent little sociopath currently occupying that office. Henry Ford was a big Hitler fan too. As was William Randolph Hearst, the Rupert Murdoch of his epoch. Not to mention Thomas Watson, the president of IBM. And of course America's favorite creepy uncle, Walt Disney. I could go on. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:59:56 -0700 From: "Stacked Crooked" Subject: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, and all the other SHIT that keeps us from LIVING OUR LIVES -- and going to live among the Ewoks "Dark Green Energy". and it was actually just stipe's vocals, not the entire song, that she thought were faggy. i think a pacifist would argue that it *didn't matter* what the underlying causes were. an anarchist (or someone of a similar bent) would argue that unless the british were willing to get out of india; the french out of indochina; the dutch out of southeast asia; the united states out of the phillippines (its conquest of which, as far as i know, introduced to the world the term "reconcentration camp"); and cetera, then the bleating about "saving the world for democracy" was just a sick joke. the germans and japanese were only playing the game by the "allies"' rules (in fact, the west supplied the oil for the early fascist adventures, as well as colluding in the fascist takeover of spain). and they weren't particularly brutal by our standards, either (which is to say that they *were* particularly brutal...). and, if we wanna argue for "humanitarian interventions" of rights-violating states, the united states ought to be at the top of the list. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:01:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: philosophy, LOL! >I gather that both painter and painting are much more popular in the US >than in Europe/Germany. I don't mean to imply that that signifies anything >about his merits! I suspect it signifies more about the peculiar pathology of the American psyche...the helpless victim with his pale flesh gleaming in the perilous waters (with just a teasing hint of what Jerry Seinfeld calls "Mr. Johnson"), the ferocious teeth of the soulless killing machine being desperately held at bay by the noble crew...what ya got there is a precursor of the slasher flicks currently enjoying a depressingly huge wave of popularity. Just my opinion, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:10:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: My name is >and, if we wanna argue for "humanitarian interventions" of rights-violating >states, the united states ought to be at the top of the list. What he said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: John Singleton Copley If you lived in Boston, you'd know him. One of the first places that people visit is Copley Place, which is the site of Trinity Church, an exquisite Richardson structure. What confused me about the post saying that Watson and the Shark was in Washington was that I was sure it was at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. Well, it is, or at least a replica painted by Copley himself. http://www.nga.gov/feature/watson/painting4.shtm Midterms week. Gotta fly. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:24:51 -0400 From: "Leftenant Reg?" Subject: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... From: Rex >>I know you're all dying to hear the solution to the "what the hell did the Rain Parade guy do in Crazy Horse" conundrum. The answer, courtesy of my bassist's vinyl collection, is: Sonny Mone: Lead Vocals/Guitar Matt Piucci: Lead Guitar/Vocals Billy Talbot: Bass/Vocals/Keyboards Ralph Molina: Drums/Vocals plus Dino Papanicolaou on Hammond & Piano<< Well, Neil himself has been known on occasion to come down to town from that mansion on the hill replete w/stereo barns ... all those guys reside -Matt included and proper- in or around San Fran ...guess that's where Mssr Piucci hooked up w/the Horse cats. I fw-d the initial posts from this thread, sent them over to the Paisley Pop Yahoo list hoping to drive Matt out of hiding, he's a member there ...didn't work, yet anyway. I did get a quick response from Pat Thomas though. He knows all those guys fairly well. He concocted the Demoltion compile of Rain Parade stuff after the band's fact. Sorry. He only peripherally answered your inquiry. Still no background on this mysterious Sonny Mone character. I never heard of him before or since that Horse elpee. As for Matt and Steven's output after the MIGHTY Rain Parade's demise. Matt released a great album entitled Hellene's on the Inbetweens label ... pretty sure that's a Dutch label. Maybe German ...don't have the thing handy. That was around 2000 or so. Great album. Steven Roback did a few years -Matt as a surrogate member- as leader of the incredibly Rain Parade-ian Viva Saturn. Here's a couple nice looking as well as fairly comprehensive discography pages -- http://www.sa-wa-ro.com/RainParade-Pages/rp-albums.htm http://www.sa-wa-ro.com/VivaSaturn-Pages/vs-albums.htm BTW - Viva's second full release ...Brightside ...SUPERB!!!!! Utterly superb record! WELL worth any used pricing strategy! Mark >>Still don't know where Sonny Mone came from, or where he went. For that matter, what else if anything have Piucci and/or Steve Roback done since the Rain Parade? - - -Rex<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:54:44 -0700 From: "John B. Jones" Subject: Re: To The Lobsterman Or Whoever Hail Eddie Tews, crafter of Shitbrain!! Thanks for the recommendation! My friend Old Man Gaylord was supposed to go see that show in Boise a few nights ago, but he was having some home repair issues and had to cancel. Much like some of the other singer/songwriter career arcs I've seen lately, Josh Ritter's is one I'm not too thrilled with. One man's "loose/down & dirty/sounds like Springsteen" album is another man's "I wrote this whole album in 30 minutes and it sounds like it." I really love to see her in her underwear, JBJ (Lobsterman of yore) On 10/22/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > john, > i really think you'd enjoy tonight's josh ritter show at the > aladdin. sold > out, i notice; but i'm sure you'd be able to find tix at craigslist. last > night's show was phenomenal -- i was reminded of dan bern's autumn '97 > tour, which is why i'm specifically recommending to jonesie. > > but after portland, they're heading down the coast. so make sure check > 'em > out, y'all! any who can't attend: i'll be torrenting my recording, at > dime, as soon as i get it prepared. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, and all On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Stacked Crooked wrote: > an anarchist (or someone of a similar bent) would argue that unless the > british were willing to get out of india; the french out of indochina; the > dutch out of southeast asia; the united states out of the phillippines (its > conquest of which, as far as i know, introduced to the world the term > "reconcentration camp"); Actually, in Spanish, the term goes back to the Cuban rebellions of the 1890s; in English, to the Boer War. However, the campaign against the Philippines insurgency (not the initial conquest of the Philippines) may have first *popularized* the term, for all I know. Likewise the actual practice started at least in 1890s Cuba, if not earlier. > nd cetera, then the bleating about "saving the world for democracy" > was just a sick joke. Despite the evil amd undemocratic things they did, the US, Britain, France and various other allied countries *were* democracies as the term is commonly used. The war made them safe against the Axis powers, who were actively and avowedly anti-democratic. Thus the term does have a certain logic. Overblown and smugly self-righteous, I'd agree, but not totally wrong. I've actually been skipping this thread, 'til Eddie lured me in with an altered subject line. Can't argue politics right now, beyond the sort of semantic quibbles seen above. Too busy. (Not 'bating, though. (At least not literally.)) - --Chris "can I have the syrup, then?" the Christer ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:35:28 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: MILF liz On 10/23/07, lep wrote: > > > no, you actually gave me the benefit of the doubt on the issue. i > said i was _bitter_, not _logical_. > > oh, the song in question was "dark green energy." Ah, yes. No wonder I didn't fight you on it. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:47:56 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... On 10/23/07, Leftenant Reg? wrote: > > I fw-d the initial posts from this thread, sent them over to the > Paisley Pop Yahoo list hoping to drive Matt out of hiding, he's a > member there ...didn't work, yet anyway. I did get a quick response > from Pat Thomas though. He knows all those guys fairly well. He > concocted the Demoltion compile of Rain Parade stuff after the band's > fact. Sorry. He only peripherally answered your inquiry. Still no > background on this mysterious Sonny Mone character. I never heard of > him before or since that Horse elpee. Many thanks for the legwork! As for Matt and Steven's output after the MIGHTY Rain Parade's demise. > Matt released a great album entitled Hellene's on the Inbetweens > label ... pretty sure that's a Dutch label. Maybe German ...don't > have the thing handy. That was around 2000 or so. Great album. > Steven Roback did a few years -Matt as a surrogate member- as leader > of the incredibly Rain Parade-ian Viva Saturn. I'll be seeking that out. I did a search on Piucci via Totally Fuzzy and one of the few things that came up was that "This Note's For You, Too!" compilation, which also had Viva Saturn on it, and of which I don't think I'd head of before. Someone had recently blogged it but the link was already dead. Sounds very promising. Speaking of Neil tributes, soon to be released is "Cinnamon Girl", an all-female Neil tribute. Dubious idea in some respects, but there are some recognizeable names on it, including both Tanya Donnelly and Kristin Hersh-- the latter doing an electric "Like a Hurricane", even. No word on what ever happened to Tanya's cover of "Sweet Ghost of Light" for that proposed Robyn tribute, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:58:43 -0400 From: "Leftenant Reg?" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... Rex, Just did a Half Dot Com search and both Soundmind and Brightside are available there for ...GAG... seventy five cents each! The bloody shipping's three times that ...each! Both are worth it though. Still bangin the boards in search of Steven's third VS release ...Ships Of Heaven ...can't come up w/that anywhere. Same deal on Rain Parade's Demolition ...I have digitized the Crashing Dream stuff found there but that animal contains other rarities too ...it never ends, y'know ...THE SEARCH!!!! Yeah, that Piucci piece is a good one. Massive guitarist, nice guy too. Mark > > > As for Matt and Steven's output after the MIGHTY Rain Parade's demise. > > Matt released a great album entitled Hellene's on the Inbetweens > > label ... pretty sure that's a Dutch label. Maybe German ...don't > > have the thing handy. That was around 2000 or so. Great album. > > Steven Roback did a few years -Matt as a surrogate member- as leader > > of the incredibly Rain Parade-ian Viva Saturn. > > I'll be seeking that out. I did a search on Piucci via Totally Fuzzy and > one of the few things that came up was that "This Note's For You, Too!" > compilation, which also had Viva Saturn on it, and of which I don't think > I'd head of before. Someone had recently blogged it but the link was > already dead. Sounds very promising. - -- "I met Mick Jagger last month, know wot he said to me? OOO are you!?" Dave Walker (Savoy Brown) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:02:40 -0400 From: "Leftenant Reg?" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Paisley problem... Heh ...those Viva Saturn pieces are YET cheaper here - http://tinyurl.com/2n7hgg ...a penny!?!?! Jeez, some the utmost and shiny nuggets o'my collection are SO devalued ...heh. m ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:24:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: The fire this time So how are you doing down there? Buddy of mine in Reseda says everything tastes like ashes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:39:46 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The fire this time On 10/23/07, kevin wrote: > > So how are you doing down there? Buddy of mine in Reseda says everything > tastes like ashes. It's not too ashy right here. My stepdaughter says the air at her school yesterday was giving her a headache, but it was way worse when Griffith Park burned down this spring-- that's right by us. A cow-orker from Simi Valley tells me her kid's school has been shut down two days running for air-quality reasons. I'm in Burbank now, and it's okay... when the fires really get going around here, the very air turns hellish shades of yellow or pink-orange. Actually, temperature-wise, last night was the first "perfect CA autumn" night we've had so far... mostly it's been either colder and rainier than usual, or summer-hot. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:10:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: The fire this time when the fires really get going around here, the very air turns hellish shades of yellow or pink-orange. which reminds me of the thing that finally chased me out of LA, was how the sky used to turn various shades of brown, silver, green, orange or pink without benefit of any fires or anything - i assumed it was just a function of whatever chemicals were up there in the air on any given day, and eventually i couldn't cope any more. there's something about a sky the color of pepto-bismol and air that smells like burning insulation that's not right - so one day i hit the road back here to the land of my forefathers, where it was just perpetually overcast and damp like Artemis intended...only to be followed within a few years by just about everybody i knew down there, and then all their friends, and all their friends...and then microsoft took off, and here we are today, in what some of us like to call "north north hollywood." good to know you're relatively OK, though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:26:18 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: The fire this time On 10/23/07, kevin wrote: > > when the fires really get going around here, the very air turns hellish > shades of yellow or pink-orange. > > which reminds me of the thing that finally chased me out of LA, was how > the sky used to turn various shades of brown, silver, green, orange or pink > without benefit of any fires or anything - i assumed it was just a function > of whatever chemicals were up there in the air on any given day, and > eventually i couldn't cope any more. > > I kind of like it: since the actual crap quality of the air is a given, you might as well get some surreal benefits from it. With the fires, though, it's not just the sky... it's the air. Everything is tinted. It's pretty weird. And hey, I almost forgot: now that the school year has started, I've officially spent half of my young life as an Angeleno. That's not far from being a native, on the overall scale of things. Plus my entire family (wife, kids, stepchild) are all natives. Hell, so are all my bandmates. You seem to start meeting them after 13 years or so. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:58:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: Re: The fire this time - -----Original Message----- >From: kevin >Subject: Re: The fire this time > > when the fires really get going around here, the very air turns > hellish shades of yellow or pink-orange. which reminds me of the > thing that finally chased me out of LA, was how the sky used to turn > various shades of brown, silver, green, orange or pink without > benefit of any fires or anything - i assumed it was just a function > of whatever chemicals were up there in the air on any given day, and > eventually i couldn't cope any more. there's something about a sky > the color of pepto-bismol and air that smells like burning insulation > that's not right - so one day i hit the road back here to the land of > my forefathers, where it was just perpetually overcast and damp like > Artemis intended...only to be followed within a few years by just > about everybody i knew down there, and then all their friends, and > all their friends...and then microsoft took off, and here we are > today, in what some of us like to call "north north hollywood." good > to know you're relatively OK, though. It's clear as a bell and beautiful today in Sonoma County but I feel for you all down in SoCal - which is the land of my forefathers. I have a cousin near San Diego, and a couple of friends I stay in touch with in LA, but overall, I've no connection whatsoever to the part of the world that my family had called home since the Mexican American War. I remember one October standing in the middle of the street in Covina watching the flames come over the mountains behind our house - near Mt. Baldy. Vivid as if it was yesterday. - - c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:00:36 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, and all the other SHIT that keeps us from LIVING OUR LI On 10/23/07, Stacked Crooked wrote: > > > other words.> > > i think a pacifist would argue that it *didn't matter* what the underlying > causes were. True, in the larger argument...but in that specific moment of the argument, the logic being that war breeds war, so saying it was necessary ignores the fact that it was necessary only because of the earlier war. > the germans and japanese were only playing the game by the "allies"' rules > (in fact, the west supplied the oil for the early fascist adventures, as > well as colluding in the fascist takeover of spain). and they weren't > particularly brutal by our standards, either (which is to say that they > *were* particularly brutal...). Along these lines, it's a rather mordant amusement that, by most if not standards beloved of economists, the Soviet Union was an untrammeled success: I mean, moving from a rural backwater to an economic and military power within a couple of generations (human rights be damned - I mean, it's not as if economists measure *those* anyway)... - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:01:39 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: To The Lobsterman Or Whoever On 10/22/07, John B. Jones wrote: > > > Much like some of the other singer/songwriter career arcs I've seen > lately, > Josh Ritter's is one I'm not too thrilled with. Agreed. His early work with Suzanne Somers and Joyce DeWitt was far superior. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:50:55 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: What's going on in NZ James? >Is this what it sounds like? > > >To quote from the article: >"It seems to us that this is some kind of scare to get the >anti-terror legislation passed," said John Minto, founder of Global >Peace and Justice and perhaps the most high-profile rights >campaigner in New Zealand. (rolls eyes, sighs) Who knows? Basically, there were some raids and 17 people were arrested on anti-terrorism charges. Both pro- terror law and pro- individual rights campaigners have instantly jumped in to claim there was or wasn't justification for it - neither group has waited to find out what evidence there was for the raids. Mind you, that's par for the course for most of them. The timing was a little suspicious, coming as it did shortly before anti-terror law legislation was to go before the House, but there's considerable evidence that the Police / SIS [1] investigations have been going on for a couple of months at least. Personal view? I'm waiting for more evidence to become known before jumping to any conclusions. It's interesting that Pita Sharples initially claimed it was an attack on Maori rather than any real terror threat, then changed his public statements drastically within 24 hours to "let's wait and see". As for Tame Iti, though, I'd be very surprised if he was involved. He is the poster-boy of Maori rebellion, but he's also a showman - he does things that look impressive to gain publicity for the cause rather than doing things that actively jeopardise the status quo. He's a flag-burner, not a guerilla. James [1] SIS = local CIA equivalent, but generally even more inept - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:52:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: To The Lobsterman Or Whoever >> Much like some of the other singer/songwriter career arcs I've seen >> lately, >> Josh Ritter's is one I'm not too thrilled with. > > >Agreed. His early work with Suzanne Somers and Joyce DeWitt was far >superior. Bad Santa wasn't too bad either. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:56:05 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer >i mean, really - what's funnier than a philosopher? That sounds suspiciously like a setup, like what do you call 100 lawyers up to their necks in horseshit?, but I can't quite find the punch line. I don't know, Mistah Bones, what is funnier than a philosopher? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:37:03 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: What's going on in NZ James? On 10/23/07, grutness@slingshot.co.nz wrote: > > > Personal view? I'm waiting for more evidence to become known before > jumping to any conclusions. It is nice to hear that people still do that in some places. > > [1] SIS = local CIA equivalent, but generally even more inept The hell you say! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: My name is "Eb", and I'm almost THIS FUCKING CLOSE to leaving everything behind -- and I DO mean *everything*: the running shoes, the investments portfolio, the Joan Baez posters, the syrup, an On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, 2fs wrote: > > i think a pacifist would argue that it *didn't matter* what the underlying > > causes were. > > True, in the larger argument...but in that specific moment of the argument, > the logic being that war breeds war, so saying it was necessary ignores the > fact that it was necessary only because of the earlier war. And wasn't WWI a result of the Franco-Prussian war? And so on ad infinitum.. > Along these lines, it's a rather mordant amusement that, by most if not > standards beloved of economists, the Soviet Union was an untrammeled > success: I mean, moving from a rural backwater to an economic and military > power within a couple of generations (human rights be damned - I mean, it's > not as if economists measure *those* anyway)... Of course, it didn't last--and Russians are dying off now, apparently... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:01:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: My name is >Of course, it didn't last Why "of course"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: My name is On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, kevin wrote: > >Of course, it didn't last > > Why "of course"? Well, in this case it was short for "of course [you all know] it didn't last," not "of course [since Communism is for losers] it didn't last," but I guess I could as easily have meant "of course [since it was a repressive dictatorship] it didn't last".... Or I could have just replied "why not?" :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:20:18 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: philosophy, LOL! OMG - Watson and the shark meets LolCats - Genius!!!! (Watson and the Shark was always one of my fav at the Detroit Inst of Art) eleanore On Oct 23, 2007, at 12:57 AM, lep wrote: > p.s. sorry, i can't help it: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/13792835@N03/1404675688/in/pool- > philolsophers/ > > that is so brilliant my head hurts. and i'm not even sure i get it. > > xo > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------- > "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." > > - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:25:17 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: John Singleton Copley And it had a home at the Detroit Inst. of Art for many years in my youth - I visited that painting as a kid all the time - it was my favorite at the DIA - sooo cool -art with sharks ea On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > If you lived in Boston, you'd know him. One of the first places > that people visit is Copley Place, which is the site of Trinity > Church, an exquisite Richardson structure. What confused me about > the post saying that Watson and the Shark was in Washington was > that I was sure it was at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. Well, > it is, or at least a replica painted by Copley himself. > > http://www.nga.gov/feature/watson/painting4.shtm > > Midterms week. > > Gotta fly. > > Jill ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #377 ********************************