From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #376 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, October 23 2007 Volume 16 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: train wreck - van halen out of tune [Rex ] Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math [Re] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [2fs ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [lep ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [2fs ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [lep ] Re: train wreck - van halen out of tune [kevin ] Re: Paisley problem... [Rex ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [lep ] Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math [Re] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #375 [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math [T] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [kevin ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [lep ] Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math [le] MILF liz [lep ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [lep ] philosophy, LOL! [lep ] Re: Paisley problem... [craigie* ] Re: philosophy, LOL! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: train wreck - van halen out of tune ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: philosophy, LOL! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] EeK! OiNK goes belly up... [craigie* ] REAP [craigie* ] Re: MILF liz [Rex ] Re: MILF liz [2fs ] Re: Paisley problem... [Rex ] Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer [2fs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:35:52 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: train wreck - van halen out of tune On 10/22/07, 2fs wrote: > > > This isn't really a case of playing out of tune so much as it's a DAT at > the > wrong sample rate. I wrote about it, in fact (URL in .sig - see the entry > titled "ouch") - but basically, unless they'd retuned the guitar and bass > during the intro, there was no way to play in tune: the difference between > the sample rates means the right notes are *between* the frets. > > If you listen, you can hear Eddie Van Halen trying to fret in tune w/the > DAT...but it's essentially impossible. The real solution is of course to smash the DAT machine or hard drive or whatever, but... I guess it's not as dramatic as the Who destroying all their instruments. Still, perhaps it's all we have left these days. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:37:52 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math On 10/22/07, 2fs wrote: > > I seem to recall some folks here talking about putting their iTunes > library > on an external hard drive. How well does that work for you? Any problems, > advice, etc.? Any recommendations as to which drive to buy? (I'm a lowly > PC-using scum, for now) It works fine... invisibly for the most part, but it does behoove you to know what files are where if you're using files on more than one drive. Get a good regular old hard drive and an enclosure for it... much more versatile than a dedicated external drive. If that makes any sense... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:57:47 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer On 10/22/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, 2fs wrote: > > > > > > > slog. A foreign power will always eventually give up in its attempts > to > > > > dominate another people - the costs are too great, the benefits too > few > > > Well...depends on how long "eventually" is. Last time I checked the > > > Russians had been in power in Siberia for a couple hundred years at > least > > > and don't show any signs of going anywhere. > > Does it matter if they were ever a sovereign nation or not? Shouldn't what > matters be that they are dominated--regardless of what their organization > was beforehand? > > (Actually, now that I think of it, Tannu Tuva was an independent sovereign > nation for a while. And there are plenty of Russian "republics" that could > be considered homes to non-Russian peoples.) > > Also, does it matter if there was a massive movement or not? There's no > massive movement of Native Americans to kick the whites out of the > continent; doesn't mean they're not being dominated...and I don't think > the white majority is going anywhere. I guess I was referring to the situation where a sovereign nation is occupied, or "advised," or pre-emptively democratized...rather than the situations you're describing...which (as your examples suggest) are all too effective. But I wonder: most of those peoples lived there prior to the instantiation of the (still-current) concept of the nation-state and its legalistic, standing governmental bodies. They also, obviously, pre-existed modern weaponry. I suggest that if there were currently a nation of Tannu Tuva, and Russia tried to take it over, an indigenous resistance movement would make things very difficult for Russia. Even there, though: proximity and relative size make a difference...probably, if we were talking about Liechtenstein rather than Iraq, perhaps PNAC's plans would have worked perfectly. (From their perspective. Not so much from the Liechtensteinians'...) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:10:30 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer kevin says: > >the list activity is kind of slow, so i'll take this opportunity to > >randomly confess that my least-favourite colours are orange (yuck) and > >yellow (yuck). my favourite colour is, of course, green. > > Same here. Coincidence? Or conspiracy? TRUTH. > >also, i'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100. > > 42? nope. but you get five points for trying. as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:22:36 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer On 10/22/07, lep wrote: > > kevin says: > > > >also, i'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100. > > > > 42? > > nope. I'd say then that it's either 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, or 99. You did say it was a plain ol' whole number, no? What do I win? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:47:02 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer 2fs says: > I'd say then that it's either 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, > 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, > 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, > 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, > 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, > 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, or 99. bingo! > You did say it was a plain ol' whole number, no? yes. > What do I win? um, i guess you can win your selection of a cool robyn or soft boys dvd. i'll put together a list of a few recent acquisitions (got a nice soft boys one (from 2001), recently - thanks as always to scott who's worked wonders in authoring some great dvds from donated footage.) as ever, lauren p.s. for enquiring minds: it was 7, which is, of course, my favourite number. 7 is even better when it's a lovely shade of green. - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:07:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: train wreck - van halen out of tune >I guess it's not as dramatic as the Who destroying all >their instruments. Still, perhaps it's all we have left these days. Wouldn't the equivalent contemporary show-stopping freakout be to erase all your drives, while displaying the whole dialog on on of those big-ass video screens? Imagine an audience cheering in drunken abandon to a a display of "Are you sure you wish to delete these 237 files (y/n)?" Let's see Pete top that! (suddenly recalling a late-seventies SNL where the Patti Smith Group did "My Generation," concluding with Jay Dee kicking his drums over with an absolutely bored expression on his face. at least that's how i remember it at this distance...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:16:20 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Carrie Galbraith Subject: What's going on in NZ James? Is this what it sounds like? To quote from the article: "It seems to us that this is some kind of scare to get the anti-terror legislation passed," said John Minto, founder of Global Peace and Justice and perhaps the most high-profile rights campaigner in New Zealand. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:34:31 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Paisley problem... I know you're all dying to hear the solution to the "what the hell did the Rain Parade guy do in Crazy Horse" conundrum. The answer, courtesy of my bassist's vinyl collection, is: Sonny Mone: Lead Vocals/Guitar Matt Piucci: Lead Guitar/Vocals Billy Talbot: Bass/Vocals/Keyboards Ralph Molina: Drums/Vocals plus Dino Papanicolaou on Hammond & Piano Still don't know where Sonny Mone came from, or where he went. For that matter, what else if anything have Piucci and/or Steve Roback done since the Rain Parade? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:34:37 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer kevin says: > >Okay, this is the nub of our disagreement. I'm saying the word "patriot" > >means what it usually means - that is, a "patriot" is what the majority of >people (or just the most prominent and publicized) who call themselves > >patriots are. You're saying it's what _you_ want it to be (which is a subset >of all the definitions people use for it). > > This is getting to be fun, now! - we're heading into the territory Wittgenstein was exploring with his talks about "language games" - kind of stuff with enough mental grit you can ckew on it forever. and no one says "fun!" like wittgenstein. http://www.flickr.com/photos/34385994@N00/537476693/in/pool-philolsophers/ as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:46:58 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math On 10/22/07, 2fs wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "a regular old hard drive and enclosure" > rather than "dedicate external drive." > The enclosure's basically just a shell with USB outs, into which you can install any hard drive you please. I have one housing a 250 gig drive right now, but the enclosure also came in handy when I ended up with a fried machine on my hands... I was able to take out its old HD's , switch them into the enclosure and rescue the files I needed, and then switch the 250 gig drive back into it. Often as not, the cost of a regular drive plus an enclosure is less than a fancy external drive on its own. It sounds silly, but it's allowed me to do things that seem like magic to my primitive, non-tech-oriented brain. Especially since it's hard to find an external HD that doesn't have at least one review attached to it saying it flamed out in some scary fashion. That said, I do have a Western Digital 150-gig standalone drive that has survived for at least three years, and has seen a lot of wear and tear... the kind that might rightly be called abuse. Probably the only thing I haven't subjected it to is submersion, and it's still ticking. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:53:37 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer On 10/22/07, lep wrote: > > > p.s. for enquiring minds: it was 7, which is, of course, my favourite > number. 7 is even better when it's a lovely shade of green. Probably Robyn's, too, I've concluded. Lots of 7-shaped shadows and so forth, to say nothing of those Deadly Sins in "Belltown". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:08:27 +1300 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #375 > > > slog. A foreign power will always eventually give up in its attempts to > > > dominate another people - the costs are too great, the benefits too few > > Well...depends on how long "eventually" is. Last time I checked the > > Russians had been in power in Siberia for a couple hundred years at least > > and don't show any signs of going anywhere. Given how long those Anglo-Normans are taking to get out of Wales, I wouldn't hold your breath... 706 years and counting... James - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:45:43 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Rex wrote: > The enclosure's basically just a shell with USB outs, into which > you can > install any hard drive you please. Just make sure the enclosure has the right bridge in it. Your bare drive may be IDE or SATA so you want to make sure the enclosure is the right kind. The industry is moving towards SATA, btw. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:29:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer >> This is getting to be fun, now! - we're heading into the territory Wittgenstein was exploring with his talks about "language games" - kind of stuff with enough mental grit you can ckew on it forever. > >and no one says "fun!" like wittgenstein. > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/34385994@N00/537476693/in/pool-philolsophers/ There's something wrong with the fact that something that stupid can be that funny. But it really, really is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:21:06 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer 2fs says: > On 10/22/07, Benjamin Lukoff wrote: > > But I'm sure they don't want to feel forced into giving up a term by which > > they've identified themselves for so long. Similarly, why give "patriot" > > over to those behind the Patriot Act? What happened to reclaiming terms :) > > That's a good point. Amusingly, it comes down to another idiolect question: > personally, I'm just not invested enough in the term or concept "patriot" to > want to fight over it. Or rather, to want to fight *for* it. to quote the character of michael bolton from "office space": "why should _i_ change my name? _he's_ the one that sucks." > Leaving aside the Hitler thing, I think my answer was in the form of *how* > to answer the question - which is to say, there's no pre-given answer. Which > I suppose means there might be a yes - but I think it's increasingly rare. actually, i specifically didn't want to leave the hitler thing aside (why i mentioned WWII-era germany in the question) re: "the world's only remaining superpower" motto. every once in awhile, kicking ass is justified if only because the price of not kicking ass is a bit too high; i suppose this belief is why i can't claim to be a pacifist. at any rate, ben summed it quite well as far as the issue being semantics. apologies for raising the thread, i just wanted to finish a few thoughts. xo lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:22:46 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: utterly unrelated to Tom Lehrer, the Shins, the Patriots, or math tc says: > Just make sure the enclosure has the right bridge in it. Your bare > drive may be IDE or SATA so you want to make sure the enclosure is > the right kind. The industry is moving towards SATA, btw. oh stop with the sexy talk. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:41:56 -0400 From: lep Subject: MILF liz Rex says: > And I'm sorry, but I will never stop being > squicked out by the fact that she has that supposedly tender (but actually > really bad) song to her child on the same record as " H.W.C." Conceding > that parenting and sexuality do indeed coexist in an average person's > reality, I can never stop thinking about that poor kid's future in college, > when someone says, "Oh, Liz Phair is your mom? So that's you she wrote that > song 'Little Digger' about, on that same record where she's naked on the > cover and talks about how much she loves gism in her hair?" hmmm...it seems someone should have taken offense to this already. aren't people supposed to be enlightened enough to realize that women are empowered now, and that means they can have children *and* shiny hair? actually, i would think the problem for liz, jr. would be more that "H.W.C." is just a really stupid song. i don't mean to rag on you, rex, (well, in theory, at least.) (to a certain extent, i probably agree with your sentiments.) it's just that i'm still all bitter about that time i called that faggy RH song "faggy." as ever, lauren - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:53:07 -0400 From: lep Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer kevin says: > >> This is getting to be fun, now! - we're heading into the territory Wittgenstein was exploring with his talks about "language games" - kind of stuff with enough mental grit you can ckew on it forever. > > > >and no one says "fun!" like wittgenstein. > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/34385994@N00/537476693/in/pool-philolsophers/ > > > There's something wrong with the fact that something that stupid can be that funny. But it really, really is. > ...something wrong? ...or something - right? i mean, really - what's funnier than a philosopher? i think this started when i was reading kierkegaard for a class and my father nabbed my book...he started this recurring one-liner that still comes up once in awhile. as though advising the young philosopher, he does a little soft-shoe dance and says: "chin up, soren!" as ever, lauren p.s. i know, you're not laughing. remember: just because you weren't there doesn't mean it's not funny. p.p.s. i don't get this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34385994@N00/531377495/ what book should i read? - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:57:25 -0400 From: lep Subject: philosophy, LOL! p.s. sorry, i can't help it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/13792835@N03/1404675688/in/pool-philolsophers/ that is so brilliant my head hurts. and i'm not even sure i get it. xo - -- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People with opinions just go around bothering one another." - The Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:09:09 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: Re: Paisley problem... I once bought a CD because Matt Piucci had produced it... Well, since you're asking, it was Hubba by The Catheads... and I still play it today... c* On 23/10/2007, Rex wrote: > > I know you're all dying to hear the solution to the "what the hell did the > Rain Parade guy do in Crazy Horse" conundrum. The answer, courtesy of my > bassist's vinyl collection, is: > > Sonny Mone: Lead Vocals/Guitar > Matt Piucci: Lead Guitar/Vocals > Billy Talbot: Bass/Vocals/Keyboards > Ralph Molina: Drums/Vocals > plus Dino Papanicolaou on Hammond & Piano > > Still don't know where Sonny Mone came from, or where he went. For that > matter, what else if anything have Piucci and/or Steve Roback done since > the > Rain Parade? > > -Rex > - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:03:00 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: philosophy, LOL! - --On 23. Oktober 2007 03:57:25 -0400 lep wrote: > p.s. sorry, i can't help it: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/13792835@N03/1404675688/in/pool-philolsopher > s/ > > that is so brilliant my head hurts. and i'm not even sure i get it. That's really cool. I'm not familiar with the painting. Is it something I "should" know? I *think* I get it, but I may be missing one or more layers of meaning(?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:00:38 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: train wreck - van halen out of tune 2fs wrote: > > If you listen, you can hear Eddie Van Halen trying to fret in tune w/the > DAT...but it's essentially impossible. My guitar teacher* pointed out that the samples are at the same pitch as videos from the rest of the tour, so there's something up with his guitar. As he uses a Floyd Rose, he can't retune on stage. Stewart *: if you like campy surf twang, ancient kids' songs and demented jazz, you might like his guitar work here: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:35:21 -0700 From: "Marc Alberts" Subject: RE: philosophy, LOL! Sebastian Hagedor wrote: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/13792835@N03/1404675688/in/pool- > philolsopher > > s/ > > > > that is so brilliant my head hurts. and i'm not even sure i get it. > > That's really cool. I'm not familiar with the painting. Is it something > I > "should" know? > > I *think* I get it, but I may be missing one or more layers of > meaning(?) I don't know that it is as famous as, say "The Raft of the Medusa," but it's a pretty famous painting, one I still remember from seeing in person as a child at the National Museum of Art in DC (the shark freaked me out). It's called "Watson and the Shark," and it depicts a British general and his crew trying to save a fourteen year old crew mate who went for a swim in Havana harbor and was attacked by a shark. http://www.nga.gov/feature/watson/watsonhome.shtm Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:06:58 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: RE: philosophy, LOL! - --On 23. Oktober 2007 05:35:21 -0700 Marc Alberts wrote: > I don't know that it is as famous as, say "The Raft of the Medusa," but > it's a pretty famous painting, one I still remember from seeing in person > as a child at the National Museum of Art in DC (the shark freaked me > out). It's called "Watson and the Shark," and it depicts a British > general and his crew trying to save a fourteen year old crew mate who > went for a swim in Havana harbor and was attacked by a shark. > > http://www.nga.gov/feature/watson/watsonhome.shtm Thanks. I guess that's a cross-continental thing: I hadn't heard of the painter, either. His German Wikipedia article is just a few sentences long, wheras the English one is huge. The painting itself even has one. From that I gather that both painter and painting are much more popular in the US than in Europe/Germany. I don't mean to imply that that signifies anything about his merits! - -- b. Sebastian Hagedorn b Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de b' http://www.uni-koeln.de/~a0620/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:57:47 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: EeK! OiNK goes belly up... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7057812.stm c* - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:58:23 +0100 From: craigie* Subject: REAP OiNK http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7057812.stm - -- first things first, but not necessarily in that order... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:43:03 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: MILF liz On 10/23/07, lep wrote: > actually, i would think the problem for liz, jr. would be more that > "H.W.C." is just a really stupid song. That, too, and so it "Little Digger" (or at least it's one of those protest-too-much songs that I loathe, which includes almost every song anyone has ever written where they try to impress people about their parentood... which of course never backfires... just ask that guy from Creed, if you can find the crackhouse he's squatting in right now, and his kid). > i don't mean to rag on you, rex, (well, in theory, at least.) (to a > certain extent, i probably agree with your sentiments.) it's just > that i'm still all bitter about that time i called that faggy RH song > "faggy." Ah, but I never said a word about that. Unless I disagreed about the particular song, which I don't remember what it was so I can't say whether or not it was faggy to me. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:43:03 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: MILF liz On 10/23/07, lep wrote: > > Rex says: > > actually, i would think the problem for liz, jr. would be more that > "H.W.C." is just a really stupid song. And on this point, Lauren and I gladly wave the same flag. The song just reeks of, oh, people like it when I talk dirty, so how can I do it again. Absurdly calculated. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:45:48 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: Paisley problem... On 10/23/07, craigie* wrote: > I once bought a CD because Matt Piucci had produced it... > > Well, since you're asking, it was Hubba by The Catheads... > > and I still play it today... For a second I thought that was the band who did the song "Tom Verlaine (Re-Bereted)", but that was The Family Cat. Hmmm. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:53:23 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: the Shins and Tom lehrer On 10/23/07, lep wrote: > > > > Leaving aside the Hitler thing, I think my answer was in the form of > *how* > > to answer the question - which is to say, there's no pre-given answer. > Which > > I suppose means there might be a yes - but I think it's increasingly > rare. > > actually, i specifically didn't want to leave the hitler thing aside > (why i mentioned WWII-era germany in the question) re: "the world's > only remaining superpower" motto. every once in awhile, kicking ass > is justified if only because the price of not kicking ass is a bit too > high; i suppose this belief is why i can't claim to be a pacifist. In the short view, I suppose you're right. It's often been argued that the humiliating surrender terms imposed upon Germany in WWI were one factor that led many Germans to support someone like Hitler who both had a scapegoat ready to hand and promised a return to a stronger Germany. A pacifist would argue that WWII happened primarily because of WWI, in other words. Don't know if I'd take it that far... Anyway: the real point of leaving aside WWII is simply that circumstances are quite different now - not least because of WWII. It's also a question that had other nations intervened earlier in Germany's affairs, that doesn't guarantee they would have been successful. Hindsight shows pretty much the rest of the world, except Italy, united against Germany...but I suspect there would have been outcry earlier had other European nations, say, invaded Germany...to the extent that, possibly, some of them might have defended Germany. There were, in fact, many in both England and the US who tacitly (or not so tacitly) supported many goals of the Nazi party - it's not inconceivable that on the grounds of defending the concept of sovereignty, England might have defended Germany had Germany been invaded. Point is, just because we can see that someone should have done something sooner about the Nazis, that's no guarantee that whatever would have been done would have worked. It might, in fact, have made things worse. We can't know. From another angle: one problem with thinking of these things in terms of "kicking ass" is it abstracts warfare into something like a couple of guys fighting, or a sports event. Instead, it always involves civilians being obliterated in airstrikes - and no one bothers to check whether they supported Hitler or were among his most dedicated opponents. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V16 #376 ********************************