From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V16 #361 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, October 6 2007 Volume 16 : Number 361 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #358 [Rex ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #359 [Rex ] RE: [Michael Sweeney ] Re: (Business Edition) [Tom Clark ] Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth [Rex ] Re: RE: [Tom Clark ] Re: crossing the threads [grutness@slingshot.co.nz] Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth [2fs ] Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth [Benjamin Lukoff ] RE: [Benjamin Lukoff ] Re: A Haiku for Eb [Rex ] Re: A Haiku for Eb [2fs ] RE: [kevin ] Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth [kevin ] RE: [kevin ] RE: [Capuchin ] Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth [2fs ] Re: various [kevin ] Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth [kevin ] crap... [Michael Sweeney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:28:35 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #358 On 10/4/07, lep wrote: > > > did i ever tell you this story: > my sister had a neil young songbook and i would learn the songs from > it since they were like three chords and it's not hard to sing as well > as mr. young. at any rate, there was a misprint for the lyrics to > "ohio". i can't hear or even think of the song without thinking of > the misprinted line: "what if you knew her / and found her head on > the ground? " Thank you. I'll be grinning stupidly whenever that crosses my mind throughout the weekend. Starting now! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:21:01 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #359 > ----- > Let me tell you I know alot about this crap, being I've made a living selling lots >and lots of it over the last 13+ years. My office is in a 50,000 square foot >warehouse that has masses and masses of Nag Champa incense so I go >home smelling like it every day. I'm shocked that I spelled it right! And of course I was not personally disparaging the stuff... I'd never even heard of it until maybe three years ago. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 02:12:12 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: RE: Jeme wrote: >This reminds me of folks who fill out online profiles and under "music" write "anything but country or rap" -- in other words, anything but the music I associate with lower classes.< Dunno 'bout anybody else, but my dislike of anything country and much of rap - -- and almost all of hair metal and "smooth jazz" -- has nothing to do with class and everything to do with my taste and preferences in music... Michael "Chumbawumba: luv the class politcs I've read about them; the music from them I've heard, not so much..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:32:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: (Business Edition) On Oct 5, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > "Could go for a Starbucks about now" Heh heh. "I don't think we have time for a handjob!" That's a common exchange between my wife and me these days. It's funny how Idiocracy has slowly entered the culture, despite being denied a major release. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:24:39 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth On 10/5/07, Capuchin wrote: > > Um, what's so bad about going on tour when you're pregnant? Pregnant > women aren't especially fragile. > > Where is gNat when we need her to push against this idea that pregnancy is > an illness/medical condition. > > (OK, so maybe the clubs might be smokey or something -- I might give you > that. But isn't that more dangerous early in preganancy than late?) I've seen Kristin Hersh perform while pregnant on three occasions, each time with a different kid on the way. Twice in LA, once after the smoking ban and once before it; on that earlier occasion the management of Spaceland-- Spaceland!!!-- forbade smoking at the show. The other time was, erm, when I lived in Paris (at the same place where I saw Les Remplacements, actually), and I don't remember what the deal was there... I can hardly imagine that they successfully stopped a bunch of French people from smoking, but who knows. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:53:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V16 #358 On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:39 PM, lep wrote: > tc says: >> I don't think I had ever heard that song until about two years ago >> when I got the Buffalo Springfield box set. I can't believe it >> wasn't a radio staple during my youth. > > it *must* be on "decade". i can't imagine having played buffalo > springfield enough to embed that one into my brain. I only had the Decade songbook, from which I learned how to play - poorly - the songs I knew from Harvest, After The Gold Rush, etc... The chicks dug it nonetheless... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:50:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: RE: On Oct 5, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Michael Sweeney wrote: > Jeme wrote: > >> This reminds me of folks who fill out online profiles and under >> "music" write > "anything but country or rap" -- in other words, anything but the > music I > associate with lower classes.< > > Dunno 'bout anybody else, but my dislike of anything country and > much of rap > -- and almost all of hair metal and "smooth jazz" -- has nothing to > do with > class and everything to do with my taste and preferences in music... Didn't a semi obscure guy once say something like "There are only two things worse than country music, and one of them is punk."? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:40:23 +1200 From: grutness@slingshot.co.nz Subject: Re: crossing the threads > > ...Auuuggggghhhhh! And to think I exercised the restraint to not >wish Lindsey > > Buckingham a happy 58th birthday on here yesterday! > >Cool. I unwittingly celebrated by listening to an album with some >Lindsey on it... Warren Zevon's "The Envoy", which I'd never heard >before, and, as has been noted by others here, is damned good. ...which prompts a "late is better than never" addition to the best guest appearance thread - David Letterman on "Hit Somebody!" James (dammit, now I gotta hear "The Envoy" again...) - -- James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.- =-.-=-.-=-.- You talk to me as if from a distance .-=-.-=-.-=-. -=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time .-=- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:21:02 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth On 10/5/07, Rex wrote: > > > I've seen Kristin Hersh perform while pregnant on three occasions, each > time > with a different kid on the way. Twice in LA, once after the smoking ban > and once before it; on that earlier occasion the management of Spaceland-- > Spaceland!!!-- forbade smoking at the show. The other time was, erm, when > I > lived in Paris (at the same place where I saw Les Remplacements, > actually), > and I don't remember what the deal was there... I can hardly imagine that > they successfully stopped a bunch of French people from smoking, but who > knows. Was the band wandering down the Champs Elysee, going cafe to cabaret? [*ouch!* Joni Mitchell just hit me!] - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:17:34 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A Haiku for Eb On 10/5/07, Rex wrote: > > > > Counterexample #2, and it's a doozie: "Youth of the Nation" by P.O.D., a > song that is, on my scorecard, neck and neck with "Don't Stop Believin'" > for > the title of Worst Song Evar. Was that, like, any sort of hit? Apparently I can think the good lord Jebus that I've never heard that song. - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Capuchin wrote: > Where is gNat when we need her to push against this idea that pregnancy is > an illness/medical condition. Pregnancy may not be an illness, but it surely is a medical condition. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 01:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Lukoff Subject: RE: On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, kevin wrote: > encroaching senility than anything else: people tinkering with the > innards of the language just put a burr under my hide, to use another > venerable country-ism. That's always been how language has developed, of course. Really, a language is what is spoken...there is no "pure" form of a language (though there certainly are standards). > If a grammar is defined as a set of instructions for using a language so > that it functions as a tool for effective communication, then anyone > arbitrarily setting aside or altering any part or parts of that grammar > for whatever reason is introducing noise into the system that's going to > impede communication, which causes me frustration - which is something I > have a low tolerance for. I am with you insofar as I don't particularly care for changes that, for example, obliterate useful distinctions. But I don't know if your definition of grammar is necessarily the right one--or, rather, it's *a* definition, but a rather prescriptive one, no? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:13:41 -0700 From: Rex Subject: Re: A Haiku for Eb On 10/5/07, 2fs wrote: > On 10/5/07, Rex wrote: > > > > > > > > Counterexample #2, and it's a doozie: "Youth of the Nation" by P.O.D., a > > song that is, on my scorecard, neck and neck with "Don't Stop Believin'" > > for > > the title of Worst Song Evar. > > > Was that, like, any sort of hit? Yeah, it was huge during the Nu-Metal Crypto-Christinan Xplosion of the early 2000's... post-Columbine anthem for the profoundly stupid. Mercifully little remains of those dark times, except for Evanescence (which is bad enough). I think I heard it because I was still then in the habit of listening to the KROQ morning show, which, for some reason, contained fragments of the station's playlist as well as humor. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:02:01 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A Haiku for Eb On 10/6/07, Rex wrote: > > On 10/5/07, 2fs wrote: > > On 10/5/07, Rex wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Counterexample #2, and it's a doozie: "Youth of the Nation" by P.O.D. > > > > Was that, like, any sort of hit? > > Yeah, it was huge during the Nu-Metal Crypto-Christinan Xplosion of > the early 2000's... post-Columbine anthem for the profoundly stupid. Ah, that explains it: I'd utterly given up on commercial radio and its offshoots by that point - so I'd read about these idiots but never hear their music or know song titles. I remember I was at a festival (Milwaukee's Summerfest) during which some gawdawful pop-metal band (yeah, I know: redundancy) was wailing away in its terrible angst and self-pity. I was morbidly curious, so I snuck a peak toward the stage to see if I could figure out who these losers were. I figured some local bunch of glue-sniffing morons had been practicing running scales at 700mph all day long in front of their rusted-out Ford pickup in the garage. Anyway, turned out the band's name was "Staind." That sounded about right: vague hint of darkness or problem, useless misspelling, etc. Imagine my surprise to discover they were actually a major "talent" in the nu-metal scene. the darkness wounds my soul i wear black so my hair dye won't stain my clothes you're all gonna die jesus is the motherfuckin way dude - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:08:28 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: >I am with you insofar as I don't particularly care for changes that, for >example, obliterate useful distinctions. But I don't know if your >definition of grammar is necessarily the right one--or, rather, it's *a* >definition, but a rather prescriptive one, no? That whole thing was pretty much on the fly - a quickie response to brother Jeme's suggestion about people being stooges for the feudal overlords, or whatever... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:18:39 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth >Pregnancy may not be an illness, but it surely is a medical condition. Uh huh, and the better half's position, which I pretty much concur with, is not that a pregnant female is a delicate little fainting flower in need of protection - the feeling is that she's the support system for a developing child and has an obligation to that child to ensure that it is able to grow in the highest-quality environment she can provide; and anybody who knows anything about the life of a rock band on the road knows that it can be a seriously shitty existence what with weird hours, a lot of noise, physical and emotional stress, no sleep, crappy food, etc. ad nauseam. And that's if the tour is going well... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:22:18 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: (Business Edition) >Heh heh. "I don't think we have time for a handjob!" That's a >common exchange between my wife and me these days. > >It's funny how Idiocracy has slowly entered the culture, despite >being denied a major release. Finally saw it a couple weeks ago and as soon as it was over I had to fire it up again. Mike Judge is at least a minor deity. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:23:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: RE: >Michael "Chumbawumba: luv the class politcs I've read about them; the music >from them I've heard, not so much..." Sweeney That's kinda how I always felt about Crass. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:31:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Capuchin Subject: RE: On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, kevin wrote: > That whole thing was pretty much on the fly - a quickie response to > brother Jeme's suggestion about people being stooges for the feudal > overlords, or whatever... It should go without saying that I resent the allegation that I believe or would ever imply such a thing. J. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:35:08 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth On 10/6/07, kevin wrote: > > >Pregnancy may not be an illness, but it surely is a medical condition. > > Uh huh, and the better half's position, which I pretty much concur with, > is not that a pregnant female is a delicate little fainting flower in need > of protection - the feeling is that she's the support system for a > developing child and has an obligation to that child to ensure that it is > able to grow in the highest-quality environment she can provide; and anybody > who knows anything about the life of a rock band on the road knows that it > can be a seriously shitty existence what with weird hours, a lot of noise, > physical and emotional stress, no sleep, crappy food, etc. ad nauseam. And > that's if the tour is going well... Yeah, but what if like she wears healing crystals, and consecrates all the smoke in the room to Freya, and insists that no one harm any lifeforms living in the bar's beer lines, since all life is sacred? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:36:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: A Haiku for Eb >I dunno, GREENDALE was "experimental", at least in its live execution (where >"experimental" = "pisses off people who only want to hear 'Heart of Gold' >while righteously baked out of their minds"). I actually like both LANDING >ON WATER (which has some really good songs) and SILVER & GOLD (although I >haven't listened to it much since the year it came out). > >A new, real Crazy Horse album is needed pronto, for sure... but I do have >hopes for CHROME DREAMS 2, as stupidly titled as it may be. I think I've >just accepted that there won't ever be another NY record with some kind of >conceptual glitch, and I should never have complained about BROKEN ARROW >even one little bit. I didn't factor Greendale in there because I haven't heard it. No particular reason except I don't automatically jump at NY's new stuff any more. Possible because I was annoyed by the aforementioned Silver & Gold. I did go for Living With War but all it really did was whet the appetite for more flat-out rockin' with Crazy Horse. I thought Broken Arrow was OK, BTW. Am I the only one who thinks Neil's gotten way too isolated out there on the ranch with nobody around him (other than Pegi) who isn't on the payroll? It's starting to feel like Salvador Dali spending the last third of his life in his tower slowly deteriorating until there was nothing left but his mustache... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:40:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: various >Recording drums is hard. For me, anyway. And yet so very important. The Doors always had a good drum sound, ditto the Banshees. Possibly my all-time fave is the drum sound on Dylan's Desire - just huge. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:43:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: kevin Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth Yeah, but what if like she wears healing crystals, and consecrates all the smoke in the room to Freya, and insists that no one harm any lifeforms living in the bar's beer lines, since all life is sacred? I don't know, somehow I don't see Exene as a Wiccan. Snake-handling Babtist at best. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:44:50 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: New Radiohead album - pay what you think it's worth On 10/6/07, kevin wrote: > > Yeah, but what if like she wears healing crystals, and consecrates all > the smoke in the room to Freya, and insists that no one harm any lifeforms > living in the bar's beer lines, since all life is sacred? > > I don't know, somehow I don't see Exene as a Wiccan. Snake-handling > Babtist at best. > > Oh - that was Exene specifically? Wait - you're married to Exene? Now I'm confused... (Like that's news.) - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 18:00:44 -0500 From: 2fs Subject: Re: A Haiku for Eb On 10/6/07, kevin wrote: > > It's starting to feel like Salvador Dali spending the last third of his > life in his tower slowly deteriorating until there was nothing left but his > mustache... The Cheshire Mustache? - -- ...Jeff Norman The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 01:42:56 +0000 From: Michael Sweeney Subject: crap... Diamondbacks 5, Cubs 1 -- aaaaaaaand the playoffs are now officially dead to me. The gnats could carry off the Yanks and I wouldn't even notice. On to football! How are the Bears doing? Heading back to the Superb Owl, right? Ah...er, maybe not so much... Basketball, maybe? Do we even still play hockey? Do we have a soccer team? Lacrosse? Team tennis? A chess club? But we're still getting the 2016 Olympics, aren't we? Aren't we? Awwwwww... Michael "I'll be in my bunk -- except sobbing this time..." Sweeney _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. 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